WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.887 --> 00:00:06.804 (crowd chattering) 2 00:00:09.256 --> 00:00:10.859 <v ->If I could get everybody's attention,</v> 3 00:00:10.859 --> 00:00:13.261 we've got a lot of excitement going on here, 4 00:00:13.261 --> 00:00:16.029 and a lot of things to do, and the first thing 5 00:00:16.029 --> 00:00:17.471 I'd like to do, though, is all of 6 00:00:17.471 --> 00:00:18.842 our elected representatives, I mean, 7 00:00:18.842 --> 00:00:20.823 we usually don't get as much, 8 00:00:20.823 --> 00:00:22.826 as many elected representatives here. 9 00:00:22.826 --> 00:00:25.174 We want to make sure and recognize all of you, 10 00:00:25.174 --> 00:00:27.070 to stand with the board, so I'd love 11 00:00:27.070 --> 00:00:28.931 all of the board members to come in the center 12 00:00:28.931 --> 00:00:32.730 of the circle if you would, both the new board members, 13 00:00:32.730 --> 00:00:34.584 the ones we're going to be swearing in 14 00:00:34.584 --> 00:00:38.366 as well as all the board members, just gather in the circle. 15 00:00:38.366 --> 00:00:40.567 And if all of our representatives, 16 00:00:40.567 --> 00:00:44.678 I know I saw Representative Allen and I'm not sure, 17 00:00:44.678 --> 00:00:47.207 and of course obviously, Senator Taylor is here. 18 00:00:47.207 --> 00:00:50.457 And I'm not sure who all else has come. 19 00:00:52.404 --> 00:00:55.407 Yes, Speaker Bonnen is here. 20 00:00:55.407 --> 00:00:57.520 <v ->His brother, Dr. Bonnen is a State Rep.</v> 21 00:00:57.520 --> 00:00:58.593 <v ->Okay.</v> 22 00:00:58.593 --> 00:01:01.343 <v ->And then there's a number of...</v> 23 00:01:02.353 --> 00:01:04.324 <v ->Dr. Bonnen I think is here.</v> 24 00:01:04.324 --> 00:01:05.407 And Thompson. 25 00:01:06.592 --> 00:01:09.455 I just would like all the elected representatives 26 00:01:09.455 --> 00:01:13.696 to stand in here with all of our members. 27 00:01:13.696 --> 00:01:15.446 And the commissioner. 28 00:01:16.861 --> 00:01:21.024 We're just going to take a quick picture. 29 00:01:21.024 --> 00:01:23.941 (crowd chattering) 30 00:02:48.008 --> 00:02:49.746 Members, this is quite an honor 31 00:02:49.746 --> 00:02:51.358 to have so many people come out today 32 00:02:51.358 --> 00:02:54.144 and celebrate with us, the coming in 33 00:02:54.144 --> 00:02:57.333 of three new members and coming back 34 00:02:57.333 --> 00:03:01.766 of four more members, we're very excited about this day. 35 00:03:01.766 --> 00:03:03.051 We've really been looking forward to it. 36 00:03:03.051 --> 00:03:05.468 Thanks for being here for us. 37 00:03:06.382 --> 00:03:09.831 And so now we're going to have the swearing in ceremony. 38 00:03:09.831 --> 00:03:12.998 We're going to, I'd like to welcome... 39 00:03:19.273 --> 00:03:23.228 Like to definitely welcome Senator Taylor 40 00:03:23.228 --> 00:03:27.236 and all of our representatives that are here. 41 00:03:27.236 --> 00:03:29.887 And I want to make sure I name all of them. 42 00:03:29.887 --> 00:03:32.804 Do you have that list of everybody? 43 00:03:41.164 --> 00:03:42.188 Fantastic. 44 00:03:42.188 --> 00:03:45.022 Senator Taylor, Representative Alma Allen, 45 00:03:45.022 --> 00:03:47.956 Representative Greg Bonnen, and Representative Thompson. 46 00:03:47.956 --> 00:03:51.768 So honored to have all of you here with us today. 47 00:03:51.768 --> 00:03:56.601 And I would like to call on Gina Perez for the invocation. 48 00:04:00.781 --> 00:04:01.981 Ms. Perez? 49 00:04:01.981 --> 00:04:02.814 <v Perez>Yes.</v> 50 00:04:02.814 --> 00:04:06.064 <v ->Invocation. (laughs)</v> 51 00:04:06.957 --> 00:04:09.207 (no audio) 52 00:04:17.815 --> 00:04:19.065 <v ->Good morning.</v> 53 00:04:21.468 --> 00:04:22.301 For-- 54 00:04:22.301 --> 00:04:24.581 (no audio) 55 00:04:24.581 --> 00:04:26.227 This work? 56 00:04:26.227 --> 00:04:29.436 I've very honored to do the invocation today, 57 00:04:29.436 --> 00:04:31.573 because many of you may already know this, 58 00:04:31.573 --> 00:04:34.006 but Aicha not only is my-- 59 00:04:34.006 --> 00:04:36.256 (no audio) 60 00:04:37.814 --> 00:04:40.634 A former protege, and I'm so very proud of you 61 00:04:40.634 --> 00:04:41.733 for being here this morning, 62 00:04:41.733 --> 00:04:46.507 so thank you for allowing me to do this for you today. 63 00:04:46.507 --> 00:04:49.313 If you will all join me, please. 64 00:04:49.313 --> 00:04:51.286 Heavenly Father, 65 00:04:51.286 --> 00:04:54.674 we gather here today in fellowship to do Your work. 66 00:04:54.674 --> 00:04:57.911 We come to this place from different towns, homes, 67 00:04:57.911 --> 00:05:00.494 backgrounds, and walks of life. 68 00:05:01.677 --> 00:05:03.694 United in the idea of what is, 69 00:05:03.694 --> 00:05:07.848 of doing what is best for Texas students and families. 70 00:05:07.848 --> 00:05:10.328 Father, we ask that, in this new year, 71 00:05:10.328 --> 00:05:12.943 a year of new beginnings and new faces, 72 00:05:12.943 --> 00:05:16.707 that you point us all in the direction of Your will. 73 00:05:16.707 --> 00:05:19.888 We ask You, Father, that You renew our faith 74 00:05:19.888 --> 00:05:22.181 in the work we do, and that You grant us 75 00:05:22.181 --> 00:05:25.237 wisdom in the choices we make. 76 00:05:25.237 --> 00:05:26.564 And that You soften our hearts 77 00:05:26.564 --> 00:05:29.722 in times of dissent and disagreement. 78 00:05:29.722 --> 00:05:31.198 Calm our minds so that we 79 00:05:31.198 --> 00:05:35.320 can truly hear one another and have a better understanding. 80 00:05:35.320 --> 00:05:37.811 Let us not be stubborn or unwilling to listen 81 00:05:37.811 --> 00:05:40.003 to all of your children. 82 00:05:40.003 --> 00:05:42.850 Even with those we disagree. 83 00:05:42.850 --> 00:05:45.282 Remind us every hour of every day 84 00:05:45.282 --> 00:05:48.743 why each of us are here in service. 85 00:05:48.743 --> 00:05:51.743 We ask this in Your Holy Name, Amen. 86 00:05:54.668 --> 00:05:58.062 <v Bahorich>...call on Member Hardy to give the pledges.</v> 87 00:05:58.062 --> 00:06:01.312 <v ->Yes, would the audience please stand?</v> 88 00:06:03.329 --> 00:06:05.607 I pledge allegiance to the flag 89 00:06:05.607 --> 00:06:08.190 of the United States of America 90 00:06:08.190 --> 00:06:11.062 and to the Republic, for which it stands. 91 00:06:11.062 --> 00:06:14.369 One nation, under God, indivisible 92 00:06:14.369 --> 00:06:17.064 with liberty and justice for all. 93 00:06:17.064 --> 00:06:19.770 Remain standing for the Texas flag. 94 00:06:19.770 --> 00:06:21.788 Honor the Texas flag. 95 00:06:21.788 --> 00:06:23.850 I pledge allegiance to thee. 96 00:06:23.850 --> 00:06:26.769 Texas, one state under God, 97 00:06:26.769 --> 00:06:28.897 one and indivisible. 98 00:06:28.897 --> 00:06:29.730 Thank you. 99 00:06:32.244 --> 00:06:35.144 <v ->I'd like to welcome Senator Taylor,</v> 100 00:06:35.144 --> 00:06:38.144 if you would, to come to the podium. 101 00:06:40.039 --> 00:06:43.222 And I'd like to ask the seven recently elected members 102 00:06:43.222 --> 00:06:46.222 to come to the center of the circle. 103 00:06:50.728 --> 00:06:53.177 <v ->Thank you, Madam Chair.</v> 104 00:06:53.177 --> 00:06:55.125 We gather today on a great day 105 00:06:55.125 --> 00:06:58.481 of celebrating elections and re-elections. 106 00:06:58.481 --> 00:07:00.710 And I'm honored to be invited to be here 107 00:07:00.710 --> 00:07:04.586 to do the swearing in of our folks, today. 108 00:07:04.586 --> 00:07:07.634 (no audio) 109 00:07:07.634 --> 00:07:08.627 Yeah, we had the same deal 110 00:07:08.627 --> 00:07:09.809 with the School Finance Commission, 111 00:07:09.809 --> 00:07:12.796 these things just get tired and they turn off. 112 00:07:12.796 --> 00:07:13.979 By the way, I'm especially glad 113 00:07:13.979 --> 00:07:16.197 to be able to get here today. 114 00:07:16.197 --> 00:07:18.046 It's quite difficult, as you might imagine, 115 00:07:18.046 --> 00:07:19.877 to get here from the capitol. 116 00:07:19.877 --> 00:07:21.648 Thanks for the heads up on that. 117 00:07:21.648 --> 00:07:22.585 I didn't know if y'all even wanted us 118 00:07:22.585 --> 00:07:24.047 to come or not, after all. 119 00:07:24.047 --> 00:07:26.451 But once I climbed the fence and people quit yelling at me-- 120 00:07:26.451 --> 00:07:27.341 (laughter) 121 00:07:27.341 --> 00:07:28.801 Things went well. 122 00:07:28.801 --> 00:07:30.425 But anyway, I'm just honored to be here today. 123 00:07:30.425 --> 00:07:32.827 We are working on great things in education. 124 00:07:32.827 --> 00:07:36.274 And this body, in conjunction with our legislature, 125 00:07:36.274 --> 00:07:39.030 the governor, and our commissioners here as well today, 126 00:07:39.030 --> 00:07:41.602 we are in the middle of great things for Texas, 127 00:07:41.602 --> 00:07:42.656 and I'm excited about the things 128 00:07:42.656 --> 00:07:44.175 that are going to be happening this session. 129 00:07:44.175 --> 00:07:45.341 And I'm excited to work with you, 130 00:07:45.341 --> 00:07:47.088 and I hope you'll follow the example 131 00:07:47.088 --> 00:07:48.516 of the School Finance Commission, 132 00:07:48.516 --> 00:07:51.393 it was a very diverse group, just as you have here. 133 00:07:51.393 --> 00:07:53.238 But we had one common goal. 134 00:07:53.238 --> 00:07:55.062 And that was to work for the children of Texas 135 00:07:55.062 --> 00:07:56.514 and improve the educational outcomes 136 00:07:56.514 --> 00:07:58.817 of 5.4 million students. 137 00:07:58.817 --> 00:08:02.405 That's our charge and I hope you'll take that to heart 138 00:08:02.405 --> 00:08:04.823 and work together where we can to make sure 139 00:08:04.823 --> 00:08:06.244 we move this state forward 140 00:08:06.244 --> 00:08:08.848 in our educational outcome for all of our kids. 141 00:08:08.848 --> 00:08:11.240 And with that, let's do the oath of office. 142 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:14.143 If you would, raise your right hand. 143 00:08:14.143 --> 00:08:15.907 In the name and by the authority 144 00:08:15.907 --> 00:08:19.037 of the State of Texas, I, state your name-- 145 00:08:19.037 --> 00:08:20.477 (inductees speaking) 146 00:08:20.477 --> 00:08:22.217 Do solemnly swear or affirm. 147 00:08:22.217 --> 00:08:24.062 (inductees repeating) 148 00:08:24.062 --> 00:08:26.686 That I will faithfully execute the duties of the office. 149 00:08:26.686 --> 00:08:29.949 (inductees repeating) 150 00:08:29.949 --> 00:08:32.315 Of member of the State Board of Education. 151 00:08:32.315 --> 00:08:34.652 (inductees repeating) 152 00:08:34.652 --> 00:08:36.031 Of the State of Texas. 153 00:08:36.031 --> 00:08:37.329 (inductees repeating) 154 00:08:37.329 --> 00:08:38.918 And will to the best of my ability. 155 00:08:38.918 --> 00:08:40.938 (inductees repeating) 156 00:08:40.938 --> 00:08:43.420 Preserve, protect, and defend. 157 00:08:43.420 --> 00:08:45.250 (inductees repeating) 158 00:08:45.250 --> 00:08:47.955 The Constitution and laws of the United States. 159 00:08:47.955 --> 00:08:50.505 (inductees repeating) 160 00:08:50.505 --> 00:08:51.794 And of this state. 161 00:08:51.794 --> 00:08:52.886 (inductees repeating) 162 00:08:52.886 --> 00:08:54.100 So help me, God. 163 00:08:54.100 --> 00:08:54.933 (inductees repeating) 164 00:08:54.933 --> 00:08:56.233 Congratulations. 165 00:08:56.233 --> 00:08:58.483 (applause) 166 00:09:11.964 --> 00:09:13.300 <v ->...didn't know if you had any other remarks</v> 167 00:09:13.300 --> 00:09:16.921 that you'd like to add or if that sums it up for you? 168 00:09:16.921 --> 00:09:18.280 <v ->Well, that pretty well sums it up,</v> 169 00:09:18.280 --> 00:09:19.829 but I just really am excited. 170 00:09:19.829 --> 00:09:24.111 I think you'll see a lot of horsepower, momentum, 171 00:09:24.111 --> 00:09:27.836 and just energy towards making these incredible changes 172 00:09:27.836 --> 00:09:29.170 in our school finance system, 173 00:09:29.170 --> 00:09:30.365 which if you're not aware, 174 00:09:30.365 --> 00:09:32.709 only happens about every four years. 175 00:09:32.709 --> 00:09:37.027 So this is a crucial time and to get this done 176 00:09:37.027 --> 00:09:39.643 during this session is very important for our state 177 00:09:39.643 --> 00:09:41.775 and for our future, and I just really appreciate 178 00:09:41.775 --> 00:09:44.356 y'all's willingness to step up in a very difficult role 179 00:09:44.356 --> 00:09:46.512 that you have, but it's so important 180 00:09:46.512 --> 00:09:48.140 what we do for these kids. 181 00:09:48.140 --> 00:09:48.973 At the end of the day, 182 00:09:48.973 --> 00:09:50.816 people ask me all the time, is this fun? 183 00:09:50.816 --> 00:09:53.207 I wouldn't describe all of it as fun, 184 00:09:53.207 --> 00:09:54.696 some of it's funner than others. 185 00:09:54.696 --> 00:09:56.349 But at the end of the day when I look back, 186 00:09:56.349 --> 00:09:58.637 the things that we accomplish make it all worthwhile, 187 00:09:58.637 --> 00:09:59.876 and I hope you have the same experience 188 00:09:59.876 --> 00:10:01.769 here on the Board of Education. 189 00:10:01.769 --> 00:10:02.870 Thank y'all very much. 190 00:10:02.870 --> 00:10:03.703 <v Bahorich>Absolutely.</v> 191 00:10:03.703 --> 00:10:04.536 Thank you for coming. 192 00:10:04.536 --> 00:10:05.369 <v ->Thank you all.</v> 193 00:10:05.369 --> 00:10:06.202 (applause) 194 00:10:06.202 --> 00:10:07.035 <v Bahorich>Thank you so much.</v> 195 00:10:07.035 --> 00:10:07.868 <v ->Let me know when I can help.</v> 196 00:10:07.868 --> 00:10:08.701 <v ->Absolutely.</v> 197 00:10:08.701 --> 00:10:09.534 And I'd like to point out, 198 00:10:09.534 --> 00:10:12.378 I believe Representative Middleton has come in to the room, 199 00:10:12.378 --> 00:10:14.575 I just wanted to point out that he's here to visit with us. 200 00:10:14.575 --> 00:10:18.296 Any other representatives or senators that have come? 201 00:10:18.296 --> 00:10:21.546 (indistinct responses) 202 00:10:24.903 --> 00:10:26.485 Yes. 203 00:10:26.485 --> 00:10:27.318 <v ->...you know is a--</v> 204 00:10:27.318 --> 00:10:28.169 <v Bahorich>Absolutely.</v> 205 00:10:28.169 --> 00:10:30.254 <v ->Show support and appreciation for your work.</v> 206 00:10:30.254 --> 00:10:32.665 <v ->Thank you, Representative Hinojosa.</v> 207 00:10:32.665 --> 00:10:34.165 Thank you so much. 208 00:10:35.589 --> 00:10:37.584 Any others, did I miss any others? 209 00:10:37.584 --> 00:10:40.642 Wonderful, well, we feel very uptown today 210 00:10:40.642 --> 00:10:42.878 with this many people coming (laughs) 211 00:10:42.878 --> 00:10:45.715 to participate with us today in this exciting event. 212 00:10:45.715 --> 00:10:48.593 So thank you so much for coming. 213 00:10:48.593 --> 00:10:52.342 I'd like to also, we've got a tight timeline, 214 00:10:52.342 --> 00:10:54.267 we're just going to take a quick ten-minute break 215 00:10:54.267 --> 00:10:57.143 to grab lunch, this in the alcove right here. 216 00:10:57.143 --> 00:11:00.943 And set up and then we're going to ask the mariachi band 217 00:11:00.943 --> 00:11:02.741 to go ahead and get in here 218 00:11:02.741 --> 00:11:05.176 and get ready and we will all be able to enjoy that. 219 00:11:05.176 --> 00:11:09.269 A very special presentation with them today. 220 00:11:09.269 --> 00:11:11.742 And then Ruben Cortez, Member Cortez is going 221 00:11:11.742 --> 00:11:15.511 to introduce them here after we take this short ten minutes. 222 00:11:15.511 --> 00:11:17.511 Just to grab lunch here. 223 00:11:27.461 --> 00:11:30.461 (people chattering) 224 00:11:45.746 --> 00:11:46.889 <v ->Well good morning, everybody!</v> 225 00:11:46.889 --> 00:11:47.874 If I can get your attention, 226 00:11:47.874 --> 00:11:50.957 we have a special treat for the board 227 00:11:51.888 --> 00:11:54.758 and for all of those that are joining us today 228 00:11:54.758 --> 00:11:58.942 as we took our ceremonial oath of office. 229 00:11:58.942 --> 00:12:02.192 We have the mariachi from Edcouch-Elsa, 230 00:12:05.074 --> 00:12:07.074 Mariachi Juvenil Azteca. 231 00:12:08.496 --> 00:12:11.413 For those of you that aren't aware, 232 00:12:13.369 --> 00:12:17.702 mariachi just became a UIL activity a few years ago. 233 00:12:19.883 --> 00:12:24.179 And Edouch-Elsa established this program back in 2005 234 00:12:24.179 --> 00:12:28.277 and it's quickly gained notoriety and recognition 235 00:12:28.277 --> 00:12:31.559 not only across the state but across the nation 236 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:34.976 as one of the premier mariachi ensembles. 237 00:12:35.850 --> 00:12:38.517 Along their countless accolades, 238 00:12:40.832 --> 00:12:43.557 there are the Grand Championship Awards 239 00:12:43.557 --> 00:12:46.440 that Mariachi Juvenil Azteca has shared the stage 240 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.190 with artists such as Mariachi del Sol Mexico, 241 00:12:51.804 --> 00:12:54.304 Mariachi Vargas de Tecalitlán. 242 00:12:56.525 --> 00:13:00.403 Their captivating show music has earned them 243 00:13:00.403 --> 00:13:03.254 performances around the state as well as 244 00:13:03.254 --> 00:13:07.132 presentations in California and in Florda. 245 00:13:07.132 --> 00:13:10.228 This year, Mariachi Juvenil Azteca was selected 246 00:13:10.228 --> 00:13:13.457 to perform at the National School Boards Association 247 00:13:13.457 --> 00:13:15.509 Conference in Philadelphia. 248 00:13:15.509 --> 00:13:19.502 I believe they will be the first ever mariachi ensemble 249 00:13:19.502 --> 00:13:21.977 to perform at the National School Boards Association 250 00:13:21.977 --> 00:13:24.213 Conference, if I'm not mistaken. 251 00:13:24.213 --> 00:13:28.008 And in 2018, Mariachi Juvenil Azteca was awarded 252 00:13:28.008 --> 00:13:30.678 the coveted title of Mariachi State Champions 253 00:13:30.678 --> 00:13:33.614 for 5A Division in the Texas Association 254 00:13:33.614 --> 00:13:35.447 of Mariachi Educators. 255 00:13:37.094 --> 00:13:40.847 Most recently, Mariachi Juvenil Azteca 256 00:13:40.847 --> 00:13:43.878 was crowned national champions 257 00:13:43.878 --> 00:13:47.378 at the 24th annual Mariachi Vargas Extravaganza 258 00:13:47.378 --> 00:13:49.211 in San Antonio, Texas. 259 00:13:50.206 --> 00:13:52.582 Mariachi Juvenil Azteca is under the direction 260 00:13:52.582 --> 00:13:55.082 of head director Marcos Garcia 261 00:13:56.967 --> 00:14:01.302 and assistant directors Manuel Farrar and Michael C. Dodd. 262 00:14:01.302 --> 00:14:04.738 And we have some other attendees from the district, 263 00:14:04.738 --> 00:14:07.977 but I'll recognize them after you hear 264 00:14:07.977 --> 00:14:09.775 from these amazing students 265 00:14:09.775 --> 00:14:12.737 who I'm very proud of and I'm very happy 266 00:14:12.737 --> 00:14:15.269 that we have La Machina in the house 267 00:14:15.269 --> 00:14:18.769 to perform at such an amazing time for us. 268 00:14:20.985 --> 00:14:22.617 Thank you guys. 269 00:14:22.617 --> 00:14:25.450 I hope you all like what you hear. 270 00:14:30.659 --> 00:14:34.076 (uptempo mariachi music) 271 00:14:48.583 --> 00:14:52.166 (Spanish language singing) 272 00:17:12.609 --> 00:17:14.859 (applause) 273 00:17:23.560 --> 00:17:24.393 <v ->Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf</v> 274 00:17:24.393 --> 00:17:26.117 of the entire school district, 275 00:17:26.117 --> 00:17:27.781 thank you for the opportunity to be here 276 00:17:27.781 --> 00:17:30.141 and showcase these wonderful talents. 277 00:17:30.141 --> 00:17:31.595 It's not often that we get to come play 278 00:17:31.595 --> 00:17:34.172 for such prestige, and we're very honored 279 00:17:34.172 --> 00:17:35.482 and very privileged to be here. 280 00:17:35.482 --> 00:17:37.023 My name is Marcos Garcia, I'm the director 281 00:17:37.023 --> 00:17:39.458 of the Mariachi, and I'm 282 00:17:39.458 --> 00:17:41.566 the proud, proud director of these students. 283 00:17:41.566 --> 00:17:42.792 They've worked tremendously hard 284 00:17:42.792 --> 00:17:44.981 to get to where they are today. 285 00:17:44.981 --> 00:17:46.902 We have a ten-year program that we've built, 286 00:17:46.902 --> 00:17:49.915 like flowerbeds, and I'm very proud of the outcome 287 00:17:49.915 --> 00:17:51.796 and the quality that we have today. 288 00:17:51.796 --> 00:17:54.826 We want to dedicate this next song to a good friend of ours, 289 00:17:54.826 --> 00:17:57.054 Mr. Ruben Cortez, he shared with me 290 00:17:57.054 --> 00:17:59.769 that he had a go-to song, a very special song 291 00:17:59.769 --> 00:18:03.279 for him that was his chicken soup for the soul, he said. 292 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:04.785 And we said, yeah, we can do that, 293 00:18:04.785 --> 00:18:06.576 even though it's not traditional mariachi, 294 00:18:06.576 --> 00:18:08.759 we can accomplish anything at Edcouch-Elsa. 295 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:11.050 So this song is dedicated to him, 296 00:18:11.050 --> 00:18:13.383 it's entitled Reckless Love. 297 00:18:18.031 --> 00:18:21.448 (uptempo mariachi music) 298 00:18:54.550 --> 00:18:59.550 ♪ Before I spoke a word, You were singing over me ♪ 299 00:19:04.587 --> 00:19:09.587 ♪ You have been so, so good to me ♪ 300 00:19:12.476 --> 00:19:17.476 ♪ Before I took a breath, You breathed Your life in me ♪ 301 00:19:21.834 --> 00:19:26.834 ♪ You have been so, so kind to me ♪ 302 00:19:29.136 --> 00:19:34.136 ♪ Oh the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God ♪ 303 00:19:37.970 --> 00:19:42.970 ♪ Oh it chases me down, fights 'til I'm found, leaves the 99 ♪ 304 00:19:46.911 --> 00:19:51.074 ♪ I couldn't earn it and I don't deserve it ♪ 305 00:19:51.074 --> 00:19:55.628 ♪ Still You give Yourself away ♪ 306 00:19:55.628 --> 00:20:00.628 ♪ Oh the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God ♪ 307 00:20:25.016 --> 00:20:30.016 ♪ When I was your foe, still Your love fought for me ♪ 308 00:20:34.262 --> 00:20:39.262 ♪ You have been so, so good to me ♪ 309 00:20:43.094 --> 00:20:48.094 ♪ When I felt no worth, You paid it all for me ♪ 310 00:20:52.122 --> 00:20:57.122 ♪ You have been so, so kind to me ♪ 311 00:20:59.388 --> 00:21:04.388 ♪ Oh the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God ♪ 312 00:21:08.329 --> 00:21:13.329 ♪ Oh it chases me down, fights 'til I'm found, leaves the 99 ♪ 313 00:21:17.361 --> 00:21:22.034 ♪ And I couldn't earn it, and I don't deserve it ♪ 314 00:21:22.034 --> 00:21:26.560 ♪ Still You gave Yourself away ♪ 315 00:21:26.560 --> 00:21:31.560 ♪ Oh the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God ♪ 316 00:22:02.212 --> 00:22:04.462 (applause) 317 00:22:08.082 --> 00:22:09.358 <v ->This next selection, we dedicate it</v> 318 00:22:09.358 --> 00:22:12.208 to all the teachers at our district this year, 319 00:22:12.208 --> 00:22:13.903 and turned out to be a hit on social media, 320 00:22:13.903 --> 00:22:15.054 so we're gonna share with you guys, 321 00:22:15.054 --> 00:22:19.471 it's an oldie but goodie by the title of Stand By Me. 322 00:22:22.140 --> 00:22:25.557 (uptempo mariachi music) 323 00:22:52.062 --> 00:22:57.062 ♪ When the night has come ♪ 324 00:22:57.536 --> 00:23:00.282 ♪ And the land is dark ♪ 325 00:23:00.282 --> 00:23:05.282 ♪ And the moon is the only light we'll see ♪ 326 00:23:08.329 --> 00:23:13.329 ♪ No I won't be afraid, no I won't be afraid ♪ 327 00:23:16.641 --> 00:23:21.641 ♪ Just as long as you stand, stand by me ♪ 328 00:23:23.136 --> 00:23:28.136 ♪ So darlin', darlin', stand by me ♪ 329 00:23:28.303 --> 00:23:33.244 ♪ Oh stand by me ♪ 330 00:23:33.244 --> 00:23:38.244 ♪ Stand, stand by me, stand by me ♪ 331 00:23:40.704 --> 00:23:45.704 ♪ If the sky that we look upon ♪ 332 00:23:45.907 --> 00:23:48.714 ♪ Should tumble and fall ♪ 333 00:23:48.714 --> 00:23:53.714 ♪ Or the mountains should crumble to the sea ♪ 334 00:23:56.553 --> 00:24:01.553 ♪ I won't cry, I won't cry, no I won't shed a tear ♪ 335 00:24:04.594 --> 00:24:09.594 ♪ Just as long as you stand, stand by me ♪ 336 00:24:11.176 --> 00:24:16.176 ♪ And darlin', darlin', stand by me ♪ 337 00:24:16.227 --> 00:24:20.829 ♪ Oh stand by me ♪ 338 00:24:20.829 --> 00:24:25.246 ♪ Oh stand, stand by me, stand by me ♪ 339 00:24:59.737 --> 00:25:04.736 ♪ And darlin', darlin', stand by me ♪ 340 00:25:04.736 --> 00:25:09.166 ♪ Oh stand by me ♪ 341 00:25:09.166 --> 00:25:14.166 ♪ Just as long as you stand, stand by me ♪ 342 00:25:15.675 --> 00:25:20.675 ♪ And darlin', darlin', stand by me ♪ 343 00:25:21.014 --> 00:25:25.623 ♪ Ooh stand by me ♪ 344 00:25:25.623 --> 00:25:30.623 ♪ Oh stand ♪ 345 00:25:32.309 --> 00:25:34.809 ♪ Stand by me ♪ 346 00:25:37.930 --> 00:25:40.180 (applause) 347 00:25:56.750 --> 00:25:58.501 <v ->Thank you very much, thank you.</v> 348 00:25:58.501 --> 00:26:00.481 This next selection is one that we like to brag 349 00:26:00.481 --> 00:26:02.088 about our great state of Texas. 350 00:26:02.088 --> 00:26:04.252 Everywhere that we go, we tell everybody 351 00:26:04.252 --> 00:26:06.604 that we are the greatest state in the nation. 352 00:26:06.604 --> 00:26:07.841 So this is a little tribute 353 00:26:07.841 --> 00:26:12.591 to our Lone Star State, it's called our Lone Star Medley. 354 00:26:15.481 --> 00:26:18.814 (upbeat mariachi music) 355 00:26:23.223 --> 00:26:27.473 (medley tune, "The Eyes of Texas") 356 00:26:30.343 --> 00:26:35.176 (medley tune, "The Yellow Rose of Texas") 357 00:26:52.422 --> 00:26:55.839 (audience claps in time) 358 00:27:05.912 --> 00:27:10.079 (medley tune, "San Antonio Rose") 359 00:29:12.843 --> 00:29:15.093 (applause) 360 00:29:22.527 --> 00:29:23.691 <v ->Thank you so much for the applause,</v> 361 00:29:23.691 --> 00:29:24.911 we have one last song, 362 00:29:24.911 --> 00:29:27.097 this is our award-winning show song 363 00:29:27.097 --> 00:29:28.697 that we won our national title. 364 00:29:28.697 --> 00:29:29.825 We take a lot of pride in that 365 00:29:29.825 --> 00:29:31.411 because we did beat the 6A champs 366 00:29:31.411 --> 00:29:32.877 and the 4A champs at that one, 367 00:29:32.877 --> 00:29:35.803 and we are the current reigning 5A champs. 368 00:29:35.803 --> 00:29:39.446 So we brag to everybody how good the program is, 369 00:29:39.446 --> 00:29:41.915 but we can't have this without you guys 370 00:29:41.915 --> 00:29:43.275 starting from the top down, 371 00:29:43.275 --> 00:29:44.961 so we appreciate everything you do, 372 00:29:44.961 --> 00:29:48.977 our board of trustees, our superintendents, amazing support. 373 00:29:48.977 --> 00:29:50.992 These guys give us everything that we ask for. 374 00:29:50.992 --> 00:29:52.408 And we do ask for a lot. 375 00:29:52.408 --> 00:29:54.591 But we are very blessed to have that support. 376 00:29:54.591 --> 00:29:56.512 And we can't do this without you, 377 00:29:56.512 --> 00:29:58.199 so thank you for everything that you do 378 00:29:58.199 --> 00:29:59.529 for our education system. 379 00:29:59.529 --> 00:30:00.769 It's truly a blessing to come 380 00:30:00.769 --> 00:30:04.202 and share what we do down here at the bottom with you guys. 381 00:30:04.202 --> 00:30:06.009 Okay, so this is our award-winning song, 382 00:30:06.009 --> 00:30:07.612 it's a tribute to Vera Cruz, 383 00:30:07.612 --> 00:30:09.188 and you're going to see a lot of showing off. 384 00:30:09.188 --> 00:30:12.989 We have tremendous instruments and vocalists in our group, 385 00:30:12.989 --> 00:30:14.204 so you'll see the violin section, 386 00:30:14.204 --> 00:30:16.197 the trumpet section, everybody taking a little piece 387 00:30:16.197 --> 00:30:17.575 of the pie and show off. 388 00:30:17.575 --> 00:30:20.492 And this is a tribute to Vera Cruz. 389 00:30:26.487 --> 00:30:29.904 (uptempo mariachi music) 390 00:30:31.109 --> 00:30:34.192 (singing in Spanish) 391 00:34:22.149 --> 00:34:24.399 (applause) 392 00:34:39.841 --> 00:34:43.508 <v ->Wow, what an amazing, amazing performance.</v> 393 00:34:45.855 --> 00:34:46.688 You know, 394 00:34:47.984 --> 00:34:52.165 Marco, I don't know, and it wasn't on my sheet here, 395 00:34:52.165 --> 00:34:53.960 but remember when I was with you guys 396 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:56.519 at the district early last year. 397 00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:59.705 You all had the number one vocalist, is that true? 398 00:34:59.705 --> 00:35:00.538 <v Marco>That's correct as well.</v> 399 00:35:00.538 --> 00:35:02.446 <v ->The number four vocalist?</v> 400 00:35:02.446 --> 00:35:03.972 Number seven? 401 00:35:03.972 --> 00:35:05.665 And the number 26? 402 00:35:05.665 --> 00:35:06.521 Is that right? 403 00:35:06.521 --> 00:35:08.314 <v ->Out of 25 entire vocalists</v> 404 00:35:08.314 --> 00:35:11.257 in a separate competition, we had four finalists, 405 00:35:11.257 --> 00:35:13.434 so there were four of 25 vocalists, 406 00:35:13.434 --> 00:35:16.598 and then we did bring back the best in the nation vocalist, 407 00:35:16.598 --> 00:35:18.227 so it's the Best in the US they call it. 408 00:35:18.227 --> 00:35:19.983 With Natanya Flores. 409 00:35:19.983 --> 00:35:22.233 (applause) 410 00:35:29.428 --> 00:35:31.284 And we also have brought back second overall 411 00:35:31.284 --> 00:35:33.013 in the high school, and that was Anisa Solis. 412 00:35:33.013 --> 00:35:35.898 (applause) 413 00:35:35.898 --> 00:35:37.828 <v ->It's clear to see why you guys</v> 414 00:35:37.828 --> 00:35:40.745 are the number one ranked mariachi in the country. 415 00:35:40.745 --> 00:35:42.448 You guys, I'm very proud of you guys, 416 00:35:42.448 --> 00:35:43.448 (applause) 417 00:35:43.448 --> 00:35:45.753 I love coming over when you guys invite me. 418 00:35:45.753 --> 00:35:48.584 I posted a video of them on my social media page 419 00:35:48.584 --> 00:35:52.045 early last year, I had lunch with them in San Antonio 420 00:35:52.045 --> 00:35:57.000 after they performed at the Gonzalez Convention Center. 421 00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:01.294 And they had already hit over 100,000 likes, 422 00:36:01.294 --> 00:36:02.778 it was a video from what you all did 423 00:36:02.778 --> 00:36:06.667 at your performing arts center there at the school district. 424 00:36:06.667 --> 00:36:09.027 So very proud of this group. 425 00:36:09.027 --> 00:36:14.027 And you left me breathless, man, when they played that song. 426 00:36:14.709 --> 00:36:15.730 I listen to it every morning, 427 00:36:15.730 --> 00:36:16.582 I listened to it this morning 428 00:36:16.582 --> 00:36:19.705 on my way to the gym, it's a good way to start my day. 429 00:36:19.705 --> 00:36:23.227 I think this is a good way with that song, Reckless Love, 430 00:36:23.227 --> 00:36:26.943 to begin our first session of this new Board of Education, 431 00:36:26.943 --> 00:36:28.865 so I'm very, very proud of you guys. 432 00:36:28.865 --> 00:36:30.529 And I have something that I want 433 00:36:30.529 --> 00:36:32.862 to just present to you guys. 434 00:36:34.789 --> 00:36:37.294 And I want to recognize all those others 435 00:36:37.294 --> 00:36:39.120 that are in attendance here from Edcouch, 436 00:36:39.120 --> 00:36:40.867 we have our superintendent, 437 00:36:40.867 --> 00:36:43.317 Mr. Cavasos, Ron Cavasos. 438 00:36:43.317 --> 00:36:44.553 (applause) 439 00:36:44.553 --> 00:36:46.620 We have our assistant superintendent 440 00:36:46.620 --> 00:36:49.754 from Edcouch-Elsa, Mrs. Francis Rocha. 441 00:36:49.754 --> 00:36:51.961 (applause) 442 00:36:51.961 --> 00:36:54.792 I believe our principal didn't make it, right? 443 00:36:54.792 --> 00:36:57.930 But our principal for the campus at Edcouch High School 444 00:36:57.930 --> 00:37:01.281 is Jorge Gutierrez, but with us today we have two 445 00:37:01.281 --> 00:37:03.833 of my good friends that serve on the board there, 446 00:37:03.833 --> 00:37:07.188 Mr. Tony Barco, long time friend, and Chris Morales-- 447 00:37:07.188 --> 00:37:08.515 (applause) 448 00:37:08.515 --> 00:37:11.738 Thank you guys for continuing to invest in this program 449 00:37:11.738 --> 00:37:14.343 and all the other programs that La Machina 450 00:37:14.343 --> 00:37:17.628 has in the delta area, very, very proud of you guys. 451 00:37:17.628 --> 00:37:20.722 And we also have our executive director from Region One, 452 00:37:20.722 --> 00:37:23.306 Cornelio Gonzales was here a minute ago, 453 00:37:23.306 --> 00:37:25.934 I think he had to leave. 454 00:37:25.934 --> 00:37:29.184 But I have this certificate of special recognition 455 00:37:29.184 --> 00:37:32.910 from the Board of Education that I'd like to present to you, 456 00:37:32.910 --> 00:37:35.410 Marcos, on behalf of all of us 457 00:37:36.635 --> 00:37:40.160 and for your students in participation today. 458 00:37:40.160 --> 00:37:41.648 Thank you guys very much. 459 00:37:41.648 --> 00:37:43.052 <v ->Thank you very much.</v> 460 00:37:43.052 --> 00:37:45.302 (applause) 461 00:37:50.220 --> 00:37:51.689 I hope you liked it. 462 00:37:51.689 --> 00:37:53.939 (applause) 463 00:37:56.077 --> 00:38:00.346 <v ->That concludes our ceremony for the swearing in</v> 464 00:38:00.346 --> 00:38:03.502 of our members, and I'm going to take 465 00:38:03.502 --> 00:38:06.995 just a very quick five-minute break 466 00:38:06.995 --> 00:38:09.804 at this point to allow folks to leave 467 00:38:09.804 --> 00:38:11.448 if you'd like to, 'cause we are about 468 00:38:11.448 --> 00:38:13.378 to talk about something super exciting 469 00:38:13.378 --> 00:38:15.128 and that is the review and adoption 470 00:38:15.128 --> 00:38:17.961 of State Board of Education rules. 471 00:38:34.219 --> 00:38:37.576 Members, we'll go ahead and begin with our business 472 00:38:37.576 --> 00:38:40.455 of review and adoption of the State Board of Education 473 00:38:40.455 --> 00:38:44.315 operating rules, I did not understand why the room cleared. 474 00:38:44.315 --> 00:38:45.832 Because this is going to be 475 00:38:45.832 --> 00:38:49.162 a compelling conversation, I am sure. 476 00:38:49.162 --> 00:38:51.642 So. (laughs) 477 00:38:51.642 --> 00:38:52.475 Yeah. 478 00:38:53.374 --> 00:38:56.033 Okay, members, let's go ahead and get back together. 479 00:38:56.033 --> 00:38:58.700 (gavel strikes) 480 00:39:00.385 --> 00:39:02.958 All right, my intention, members, is to, 481 00:39:02.958 --> 00:39:06.310 and I am so grateful for all of you 482 00:39:06.310 --> 00:39:09.929 who submitted the rules to Debbie last Friday 483 00:39:09.929 --> 00:39:12.152 so we can send it out to give notification to everyone, 484 00:39:12.152 --> 00:39:14.900 so we both have time to think about the rule changes 485 00:39:14.900 --> 00:39:17.187 and if they agreed or disagreed, 486 00:39:17.187 --> 00:39:18.509 hopefully that'll help us move along. 487 00:39:18.509 --> 00:39:19.423 'Cause as you know, we need 488 00:39:19.423 --> 00:39:22.976 to get out of here at 2:30, and it's driving me... 489 00:39:22.976 --> 00:39:25.226 (no audio) 490 00:39:27.441 --> 00:39:29.868 So I have to look at my clock, 491 00:39:29.868 --> 00:39:34.200 so keep us on track for 2:30, if you would. 492 00:39:34.200 --> 00:39:38.839 And to make sure, so we need to get through the, 493 00:39:38.839 --> 00:39:40.880 if you'll look at the agenda, 494 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:42.241 we've gotta get through the adoption, 495 00:39:42.241 --> 00:39:43.753 review and adoption of the rules 496 00:39:43.753 --> 00:39:46.530 and the election of State Board officers 497 00:39:46.530 --> 00:39:50.850 and the announcement of membership of committees, 498 00:39:50.850 --> 00:39:52.107 hopefully by 2:30 today, 499 00:39:52.107 --> 00:39:53.766 so we'll try our best to get through there, 500 00:39:53.766 --> 00:39:55.912 and anything lingering we will continue 501 00:39:55.912 --> 00:39:57.798 first thing tomorrow if we didn't get through 502 00:39:57.798 --> 00:39:59.779 all of those agenda items. 503 00:39:59.779 --> 00:40:01.612 Yes, so Ms. Ratcliffe? 504 00:40:03.141 --> 00:40:04.666 <v ->Good morning, board members and welcome,</v> 505 00:40:04.666 --> 00:40:07.966 especially, to our new friends in circle. 506 00:40:07.966 --> 00:40:10.185 We are about to start the operating rules, 507 00:40:10.185 --> 00:40:11.651 but during the break, I also put 508 00:40:11.651 --> 00:40:14.394 your committee preference sheet on your table 509 00:40:14.394 --> 00:40:16.427 so if there's a lull in the action 510 00:40:16.427 --> 00:40:17.260 and you want to go ahead 511 00:40:17.260 --> 00:40:18.982 and write down your top two choices, 512 00:40:18.982 --> 00:40:23.014 feel free to go ahead and do that to speed us along later. 513 00:40:23.014 --> 00:40:24.964 <v ->And I would like just to interject,</v> 514 00:40:24.964 --> 00:40:28.273 if you don't really care between a committee, 515 00:40:28.273 --> 00:40:30.577 like one committee and another committee, 516 00:40:30.577 --> 00:40:32.767 put one or two, one or two, 517 00:40:32.767 --> 00:40:35.427 and that makes us know that you don't care really, 518 00:40:35.427 --> 00:40:37.024 this is not necessarily your first 519 00:40:37.024 --> 00:40:38.931 and this is not necessarily your second. 520 00:40:38.931 --> 00:40:40.924 So if you don't really care among the committees, 521 00:40:40.924 --> 00:40:42.633 that would be helpful. 522 00:40:42.633 --> 00:40:45.383 Just for the officers to look at. 523 00:40:47.178 --> 00:40:48.523 Does that make sense to everybody? 524 00:40:48.523 --> 00:40:49.867 You can put one or two, whatever, 525 00:40:49.867 --> 00:40:52.117 for your first two choices. 526 00:40:53.511 --> 00:40:55.574 <v ->And now as we start the operating rules,</v> 527 00:40:55.574 --> 00:40:57.641 if you're following along on your electr-- 528 00:40:57.641 --> 00:40:59.141 I have yours, yes. 529 00:41:00.710 --> 00:41:03.119 If you're following along on your electronic agenda, 530 00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:07.702 it's on page SBOE-3 and if you're using your bookmarks, 531 00:41:10.504 --> 00:41:15.504 you go to the bookmark called State Board of Education, 532 00:41:15.631 --> 00:41:18.504 June 28th, and then click on that, 533 00:41:18.504 --> 00:41:21.254 and today's agenda will download. 534 00:41:22.619 --> 00:41:24.258 Will drop down. 535 00:41:24.258 --> 00:41:25.570 And this actual item is called 536 00:41:25.570 --> 00:41:29.228 Review and Adoption of SBOE Operating Rules. 537 00:41:29.228 --> 00:41:32.080 You also have on your desk, in case you, 538 00:41:32.080 --> 00:41:34.484 we all need a slower transition, 539 00:41:34.484 --> 00:41:37.967 you have a printout of what was in your agenda 540 00:41:37.967 --> 00:41:40.613 which are the staff proposed changes. 541 00:41:40.613 --> 00:41:42.836 Another document called Draft Amendments 542 00:41:42.836 --> 00:41:45.141 to State Board of Education Operating Rules, 543 00:41:45.141 --> 00:41:49.641 that's what members are likely to propose later today. 544 00:41:50.656 --> 00:41:52.853 So most of the, it looks like a lot of changes, 545 00:41:52.853 --> 00:41:54.709 most of them are cleanup related 546 00:41:54.709 --> 00:41:58.195 to technology or staffing changes. 547 00:41:58.195 --> 00:42:00.448 So we'll go ahead and start, the first one 548 00:42:00.448 --> 00:42:04.362 is found on SBOE-3, it's simply a date change 549 00:42:04.362 --> 00:42:06.981 to reflect what we hope will be adoption 550 00:42:06.981 --> 00:42:09.064 of the rules later today. 551 00:42:10.386 --> 00:42:11.969 And then I believe, 552 00:42:14.994 --> 00:42:18.796 we thought we'd walk through it by sections. 553 00:42:18.796 --> 00:42:20.609 And then I believe Mr. Maynard 554 00:42:20.609 --> 00:42:24.276 actually has the next amendment and that's-- 555 00:42:26.870 --> 00:42:28.367 Exactly, 1.2-E. 556 00:42:28.367 --> 00:42:29.950 <v Bahorich>1.2-E.</v> 557 00:42:31.149 --> 00:42:32.398 Does everybody know where we are? 558 00:42:32.398 --> 00:42:35.414 <v ->And that deals with the ad-hoc committees.</v> 559 00:42:35.414 --> 00:42:36.831 <v Bahorich>Yes.</v> 560 00:42:41.654 --> 00:42:42.846 <v Maynard>Madam Chair, are you ready for that?</v> 561 00:42:42.846 --> 00:42:45.092 <v Bahorich>Yes, why don't you go ahead?</v> 562 00:42:45.092 --> 00:42:48.759 <v Maynard>Yeah, members, in section 1.2-E,</v> 563 00:42:50.143 --> 00:42:53.042 the amendment is to strike 564 00:42:53.042 --> 00:42:56.292 the word shall and insert the word may. 565 00:43:00.147 --> 00:43:02.509 <v ->And everybody can see the rationale there,</v> 566 00:43:02.509 --> 00:43:05.676 is there any, if there's no objection? 567 00:43:09.131 --> 00:43:11.853 We'll go ahead and accept that change. 568 00:43:11.853 --> 00:43:13.603 All right, moving on. 569 00:43:14.609 --> 00:43:17.009 And I believe you've got 1.2-F. 570 00:43:17.009 --> 00:43:17.842 <v Maynard>And that, yeah,</v> 571 00:43:17.842 --> 00:43:19.733 I've actually got the next eight, I think, so-- 572 00:43:19.733 --> 00:43:21.301 <v Bahorich>Okay.</v> 573 00:43:21.301 --> 00:43:24.644 <v ->My second amendment is to insert</v> 574 00:43:24.644 --> 00:43:26.912 the word the chair or commissioner may request 575 00:43:26.912 --> 00:43:30.370 Attorney General, request the Attorney General 576 00:43:30.370 --> 00:43:35.037 to issue an opinion under Texas government code 402.042. 577 00:43:36.499 --> 00:43:39.216 <v ->And everybody can see the rationale there.</v> 578 00:43:39.216 --> 00:43:41.883 Any objection to that amendment? 579 00:43:43.139 --> 00:43:44.726 Just to make it clear in rule. 580 00:43:44.726 --> 00:43:46.059 Yes, Mr. Cortez? 581 00:43:47.007 --> 00:43:49.635 <v Cortez>What is it currently to request,</v> 582 00:43:49.635 --> 00:43:54.635 what is the process currently, any one of us can ask? 583 00:43:54.877 --> 00:43:56.570 (indistinct audio from Maynard) 584 00:43:56.570 --> 00:43:57.636 <v Bahorich>Yeah, Mr. Maynard,</v> 585 00:43:57.636 --> 00:43:59.059 you looked into this, go ahead. 586 00:43:59.059 --> 00:44:03.064 <v ->Yeah and so, just to clarify that, you know,</v> 587 00:44:03.064 --> 00:44:04.081 I know that from time to time 588 00:44:04.081 --> 00:44:05.754 that there have been questions 589 00:44:05.754 --> 00:44:07.943 about an Attorney General opinion. 590 00:44:07.943 --> 00:44:09.816 As it turns out, the government code 591 00:44:09.816 --> 00:44:12.075 specifies who can request that. 592 00:44:12.075 --> 00:44:14.092 I just thought that it would be useful 593 00:44:14.092 --> 00:44:15.850 to go ahead and to capture that piece 594 00:44:15.850 --> 00:44:18.339 of the government code to put it in our rules 595 00:44:18.339 --> 00:44:20.251 to keep someone from having to consult 596 00:44:20.251 --> 00:44:24.456 another document to go find out what that is. 597 00:44:24.456 --> 00:44:27.677 <v ->So we're just adding that to our rule as a clarification.</v> 598 00:44:27.677 --> 00:44:29.541 Any objection to that amendment? 599 00:44:29.541 --> 00:44:32.791 Hearing none, the amendment is adopted. 600 00:44:36.838 --> 00:44:37.671 Is that-- 601 00:44:37.671 --> 00:44:38.769 <v Ratcliffe>I believe the next amendment</v> 602 00:44:38.769 --> 00:44:40.168 would deal with seating. 603 00:44:40.168 --> 00:44:41.001 <v ->2.1.</v> 604 00:44:42.867 --> 00:44:43.700 Oh. 605 00:44:45.263 --> 00:44:46.474 <v Ratcliffe>Well, 1.3.</v> 606 00:44:46.474 --> 00:44:48.307 <v ->Oh, I see 1.3, yeah.</v> 607 00:44:53.124 --> 00:44:54.291 <v ->Madam Chair.</v> 608 00:44:57.701 --> 00:44:59.118 I'm going to make 609 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:05.166 this motion on behalf of the Chair of the State Board. 610 00:45:05.166 --> 00:45:08.424 And because this is a motion dealing with seating, 611 00:45:08.424 --> 00:45:10.655 I thought that if I had the opportunity to make this motion 612 00:45:10.655 --> 00:45:12.652 that that would sort of by default 613 00:45:12.652 --> 00:45:14.382 make me the Chairman of the Board. 614 00:45:14.382 --> 00:45:15.984 Because it has to do with seating. 615 00:45:15.984 --> 00:45:19.151 (indistinct speaking) 616 00:45:21.030 --> 00:45:22.027 <v Bahorich>Ta-da, done.</v> 617 00:45:22.027 --> 00:45:22.860 Okay. 618 00:45:24.361 --> 00:45:25.361 <v ->All right.</v> 619 00:45:27.106 --> 00:45:30.106 The amendment is to insert the words 620 00:45:32.097 --> 00:45:36.847 and vice chair after chair, and after the word districts, 621 00:45:37.989 --> 00:45:41.026 the seating for the remaining 13 members 622 00:45:41.026 --> 00:45:43.811 will be rotated annually at the first board meeting 623 00:45:43.811 --> 00:45:45.561 of the calender year. 624 00:45:48.806 --> 00:45:53.223 <v Bahorich>I think everybody can see the rationale.</v> 625 00:45:54.726 --> 00:45:55.559 There. 626 00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:57.781 Does everybody have the sheet 627 00:45:57.781 --> 00:46:00.283 that has all the rationale and everything on there? 628 00:46:00.283 --> 00:46:01.789 (indistinct responses) 629 00:46:01.789 --> 00:46:05.371 Six of this document that has the, 630 00:46:05.371 --> 00:46:06.860 at front says Draft Amendments 631 00:46:06.860 --> 00:46:09.658 to the State Board of Education Operating Rules. 632 00:46:09.658 --> 00:46:12.255 Just to be sure, yes, Dr. Ellis. 633 00:46:12.255 --> 00:46:14.295 <v Ellis>I would consider also if the board</v> 634 00:46:14.295 --> 00:46:16.391 is willing to have the secretary stay 635 00:46:16.391 --> 00:46:21.058 in the same area as the other members of the leadership. 636 00:46:23.799 --> 00:46:26.962 <v ->So that would be amending an amendment,</v> 637 00:46:26.962 --> 00:46:29.649 any second to that amendment? 638 00:46:29.649 --> 00:46:30.859 Second? 639 00:46:30.859 --> 00:46:33.970 Any discussion on that particular amendment? 640 00:46:33.970 --> 00:46:36.078 So it would keep the chair, vice chair, 641 00:46:36.078 --> 00:46:38.995 and secretary in the same position. 642 00:46:42.523 --> 00:46:43.871 Hearing none, okay. 643 00:46:43.871 --> 00:46:45.377 That amendment is adopted. 644 00:46:45.377 --> 00:46:47.544 Any other change to the... 645 00:46:49.283 --> 00:46:51.283 To the, yes, Mr. Cortez? 646 00:46:52.513 --> 00:46:53.846 <v Cortez>So...</v> 647 00:46:56.901 --> 00:46:59.446 I guess it's my understanding that, 648 00:46:59.446 --> 00:47:02.066 I guess, prior to my arrival, at least on this board, 649 00:47:02.066 --> 00:47:04.437 this had been attempted before. 650 00:47:04.437 --> 00:47:08.038 At least that's my understanding by Member Bradley. 651 00:47:08.038 --> 00:47:09.874 And that the community complained 652 00:47:09.874 --> 00:47:11.534 because they didn't know where we were seated 653 00:47:11.534 --> 00:47:13.856 and that's why we're now by number. 654 00:47:13.856 --> 00:47:15.053 So that when they're out there, 655 00:47:15.053 --> 00:47:20.053 they can see, okay, that's one, two, three, so on, so forth. 656 00:47:20.607 --> 00:47:23.763 So, and I just want to point that out, 657 00:47:23.763 --> 00:47:26.284 and I know the last two times 658 00:47:26.284 --> 00:47:28.135 that we've gone through this process 659 00:47:28.135 --> 00:47:31.025 this has been brought up as well. 660 00:47:31.025 --> 00:47:33.442 And that seemed to be I guess 661 00:47:34.530 --> 00:47:37.042 what we kept coming back to was 662 00:47:37.042 --> 00:47:40.051 that this experiment had failed in the past. 663 00:47:40.051 --> 00:47:41.529 Which is why it went to this. 664 00:47:41.529 --> 00:47:44.798 When we arrived, and we arrived at the same time. 665 00:47:44.798 --> 00:47:48.089 So just throwing that out there. 666 00:47:48.089 --> 00:47:49.819 <v ->Right, just as a point of clarification</v> 667 00:47:49.819 --> 00:47:51.931 that was really a seniority thing 668 00:47:51.931 --> 00:47:55.495 that was tried before that we picked seats by seniority. 669 00:47:55.495 --> 00:47:57.305 And you're right, that did fail. 670 00:47:57.305 --> 00:47:59.857 But this is still, the idea, 671 00:47:59.857 --> 00:48:04.370 this idea is to maintain the order but rotate the order. 672 00:48:04.370 --> 00:48:05.891 So that everyone gets an opportunity 673 00:48:05.891 --> 00:48:08.808 both every three years as explained 674 00:48:09.892 --> 00:48:11.893 in here to have both the best seats 675 00:48:11.893 --> 00:48:15.666 and the worst seat every three years. 676 00:48:15.666 --> 00:48:18.935 And the in-between seat every three years. 677 00:48:18.935 --> 00:48:20.749 Yes, Mr. Allen? 678 00:48:20.749 --> 00:48:22.323 <v Allen>Is this going to be the room change now,</v> 679 00:48:22.323 --> 00:48:23.468 does that mean we're going to stay 680 00:48:23.468 --> 00:48:25.300 where we are for the next three years? 681 00:48:25.300 --> 00:48:26.489 And then a little change? 682 00:48:26.489 --> 00:48:31.489 <v ->(laughs) No, it'd be rotating at this meeting.</v> 683 00:48:31.825 --> 00:48:33.265 If this adopts-- 684 00:48:33.265 --> 00:48:34.878 <v Allen>It's going to click one time?</v> 685 00:48:34.878 --> 00:48:36.969 <v ->So tomorrow we would click a new rotation.</v> 686 00:48:36.969 --> 00:48:38.276 <v Allen>Click one time?</v> 687 00:48:38.276 --> 00:48:40.937 <v ->Yeah, click one time, and it would stay for a year.</v> 688 00:48:40.937 --> 00:48:42.750 <v Allen>So that means I would go from here to here?</v> 689 00:48:42.750 --> 00:48:45.906 <v ->You would go from here to...</v> 690 00:48:45.906 --> 00:48:48.349 Let me see, you are right now. 691 00:48:48.349 --> 00:48:50.188 <v Ratcliffe>There should be a chart on your desk.</v> 692 00:48:50.188 --> 00:48:51.197 <v Allen>We added something different a minute ago</v> 693 00:48:51.197 --> 00:48:52.944 in the conversation, we moved the secretary 694 00:48:52.944 --> 00:48:54.437 in a stationary position as well, 695 00:48:54.437 --> 00:48:56.949 so this is inaccurate, the drawing anymore. 696 00:48:56.949 --> 00:48:58.714 (people chattering) 697 00:48:58.714 --> 00:49:01.631 Right, so what I'm saying is now... 698 00:49:03.074 --> 00:49:06.068 I would be, no, I wouldn't be where Ellis is at. 699 00:49:06.068 --> 00:49:09.068 (people chattering) 700 00:49:10.953 --> 00:49:13.054 <v ->It would be rotating in sections.</v> 701 00:49:13.054 --> 00:49:14.853 <v Allen>If this stays?</v> 702 00:49:14.853 --> 00:49:16.399 <v ->Yeah, right.</v> 703 00:49:16.399 --> 00:49:17.232 That's right. 704 00:49:17.232 --> 00:49:18.996 In sections, still maintaining the order, 705 00:49:18.996 --> 00:49:21.079 but rotating in sections. 706 00:49:22.693 --> 00:49:23.550 <v Allen>No, I would rather stay</v> 707 00:49:23.550 --> 00:49:25.087 where I'm at for the next three years 708 00:49:25.087 --> 00:49:27.004 and then make a change. 709 00:49:28.290 --> 00:49:29.747 <v Bahorich>(laughs) Yeah.</v> 710 00:49:29.747 --> 00:49:32.698 <v ->So I don't know, I don't know a reason why,</v> 711 00:49:32.698 --> 00:49:34.948 again, we did prior to that 712 00:49:35.936 --> 00:49:38.853 the seniority was voted in before-- 713 00:49:39.955 --> 00:49:42.338 <v Bahorich>Right, before it was changed back to order.</v> 714 00:49:42.338 --> 00:49:44.765 <v ->Senior members got to choose their seating.</v> 715 00:49:44.765 --> 00:49:46.749 And that was in relationship to what goes on 716 00:49:46.749 --> 00:49:48.864 in the capitol and what have you. 717 00:49:48.864 --> 00:49:53.781 And then so I don't know from the maker of this amendment 718 00:49:53.781 --> 00:49:57.088 what's the advantages to this or, 719 00:49:57.088 --> 00:49:58.112 'cause this sequential order 720 00:49:58.112 --> 00:49:59.594 and what we're having now is always been 721 00:49:59.594 --> 00:50:01.830 just a simple concept, but what are the advantages 722 00:50:01.830 --> 00:50:03.141 to making this change? 723 00:50:03.141 --> 00:50:05.473 <v ->Well, if you look at the rationale right there</v> 724 00:50:05.473 --> 00:50:07.680 on page six, I don't know if you see that 725 00:50:07.680 --> 00:50:09.752 in the middle of the page there. 726 00:50:09.752 --> 00:50:11.644 Says that this change will enable all members 727 00:50:11.644 --> 00:50:13.784 to have the benefit of sitting in the best, 728 00:50:13.784 --> 00:50:16.627 the okay, and the worst seats over a three year 729 00:50:16.627 --> 00:50:18.758 rotation period while still maintaining 730 00:50:18.758 --> 00:50:21.993 the seating in the district order. 731 00:50:21.993 --> 00:50:24.576 And, you know, I would maintain 732 00:50:25.426 --> 00:50:28.375 that just because you're districts 12 and 13 733 00:50:28.375 --> 00:50:31.980 that our new members here are occupying, 734 00:50:31.980 --> 00:50:35.421 should not mean you always have your back to the testifiers. 735 00:50:35.421 --> 00:50:38.741 And just because you're in districts 12 and 13. 736 00:50:38.741 --> 00:50:42.331 So the idea is that everyone would have an opportunity 737 00:50:42.331 --> 00:50:45.449 to rotate around the circle over a three-year time period, 738 00:50:45.449 --> 00:50:50.352 and everyone would get both the opportunity to sit where, 739 00:50:50.352 --> 00:50:52.307 with their backs to the windows, 740 00:50:52.307 --> 00:50:56.042 the back to the press and backs to the testifiers, 741 00:50:56.042 --> 00:50:57.819 so that we all kind of share equally, 742 00:50:57.819 --> 00:51:00.775 both in the good seats, the so-so seats, 743 00:51:00.775 --> 00:51:02.343 and the ones that are not that great. 744 00:51:02.343 --> 00:51:03.677 <v Allen>The thing that, I just</v> 745 00:51:03.677 --> 00:51:05.372 never knew we had good seats. 746 00:51:05.372 --> 00:51:06.608 I didn't know we had good seats, 747 00:51:06.608 --> 00:51:08.699 I didn't know we had so-so seats, 748 00:51:08.699 --> 00:51:10.079 I didn't know we had bad seats. 749 00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:11.208 I just didn't know that. 750 00:51:11.208 --> 00:51:12.070 <v Bahorich>(laughs) Yeah.</v> 751 00:51:12.070 --> 00:51:12.903 <v ->I didn't know that.</v> 752 00:51:12.903 --> 00:51:14.809 So (laughs) 753 00:51:14.809 --> 00:51:16.942 So I guess I've been here in the good seat 754 00:51:16.942 --> 00:51:19.171 for a long time, I don't know. 755 00:51:19.171 --> 00:51:20.504 So, but I guess. 756 00:51:22.575 --> 00:51:24.687 You say in three years we would make the whole circle? 757 00:51:24.687 --> 00:51:25.520 <v Bahorich>Make the whole circle.</v> 758 00:51:25.520 --> 00:51:27.295 <v ->So we'd move every six months or something?</v> 759 00:51:27.295 --> 00:51:28.128 <v Bahorich>No, no.</v> 760 00:51:28.128 --> 00:51:29.190 Once a year. 761 00:51:29.190 --> 00:51:30.523 Just in January. 762 00:51:31.381 --> 00:51:32.834 Just in January. 763 00:51:32.834 --> 00:51:35.743 (indistinct speakers) 764 00:51:35.743 --> 00:51:36.576 Right. 765 00:51:37.941 --> 00:51:38.774 <v ->Every--</v> 766 00:51:38.774 --> 00:51:42.597 <v ->You'd move in January every year, but in sections.</v> 767 00:51:42.597 --> 00:51:45.273 The chart shows, do you see that chart right here? 768 00:51:45.273 --> 00:51:47.160 <v Allen>I'm not that good, Donna, I see the chart.</v> 769 00:51:47.160 --> 00:51:49.301 (laughter) 770 00:51:49.301 --> 00:51:50.952 <v ->See the chart right there,</v> 771 00:51:50.952 --> 00:51:53.939 so it kind of shows where the arrow where one starts, 772 00:51:53.939 --> 00:51:57.606 district one starts and then it goes around. 773 00:51:58.630 --> 00:51:59.880 <v Allen>Mkay.</v> 774 00:52:00.866 --> 00:52:01.699 All right, I'm-- 775 00:52:01.699 --> 00:52:02.742 <v ->You see that, over three years.</v> 776 00:52:02.742 --> 00:52:04.955 <v Allen>I've got the concept, I still find it,</v> 777 00:52:04.955 --> 00:52:06.149 if it makes it fair for everybody 778 00:52:06.149 --> 00:52:09.005 to have their backs turned, not turned, that's fine with me. 779 00:52:09.005 --> 00:52:12.150 But I still think we should start where we are. 780 00:52:12.150 --> 00:52:12.983 <v Bahorich>Yeah.</v> 781 00:52:12.983 --> 00:52:13.816 <v ->But the new members in the circle</v> 782 00:52:13.816 --> 00:52:17.255 so they're not going to see it as good, bad, or indifferent. 783 00:52:17.255 --> 00:52:19.934 Just happy to be in the circle. 784 00:52:19.934 --> 00:52:22.156 <v ->(laughs) Until we told 'em it was bad.</v> 785 00:52:22.156 --> 00:52:23.906 They have a bad seat. 786 00:52:25.295 --> 00:52:26.405 Yeah. 787 00:52:26.405 --> 00:52:28.155 Any other discussion? 788 00:52:30.389 --> 00:52:31.784 I thought, Pat, did you have your hand up? 789 00:52:31.784 --> 00:52:33.076 I thought you had your hand up, no. 790 00:52:33.076 --> 00:52:33.909 <v Allen>I didn't want to take my--</v> 791 00:52:33.909 --> 00:52:35.819 <v ->I'll explain the reasoning, yeah.</v> 792 00:52:35.819 --> 00:52:37.069 Gotcha, gotcha. 793 00:52:38.286 --> 00:52:40.437 Okay, right now, the amendment would say, 794 00:52:40.437 --> 00:52:42.721 with the exception of the chair, vice chair and secretary, 795 00:52:42.721 --> 00:52:43.914 the seating of the board will be 796 00:52:43.914 --> 00:52:45.733 by State Board of Education districts. 797 00:52:45.733 --> 00:52:47.476 The seating for the remaining, 798 00:52:47.476 --> 00:52:50.307 would be 12 members in this case. 799 00:52:50.307 --> 00:52:52.118 The amendment would say 12, 800 00:52:52.118 --> 00:52:54.144 'cause we just passed the secretary one. 801 00:52:54.144 --> 00:52:56.017 12 members would be rotated annually 802 00:52:56.017 --> 00:52:58.370 at the first board meeting of the calendar year. 803 00:52:58.370 --> 00:53:00.121 Any member with a special need 804 00:53:00.121 --> 00:53:02.702 may exchange a seat with another board member 805 00:53:02.702 --> 00:53:04.910 who is in agreement with that exchange. 806 00:53:04.910 --> 00:53:07.212 All those in favor, say aye. 807 00:53:07.212 --> 00:53:08.045 (multiple responding) 808 00:53:08.045 --> 00:53:09.356 All those opposed say no. 809 00:53:09.356 --> 00:53:10.768 <v Allen>No.</v> 810 00:53:10.768 --> 00:53:12.310 <v ->Okay, why don't we just hold our hands up.</v> 811 00:53:12.310 --> 00:53:14.661 All those in favor, let's just hold our hands up. 812 00:53:14.661 --> 00:53:16.459 <v Male Speaker>The windows caucus is opposed to it.</v> 813 00:53:16.459 --> 00:53:20.908 <v ->Yeah, the windows caucus is opposed. (laughter)</v> 814 00:53:20.908 --> 00:53:23.991 All those in favor, raise your hands. 815 00:53:26.311 --> 00:53:27.728 How many is that? 816 00:53:32.176 --> 00:53:33.009 Okay. 817 00:53:33.009 --> 00:53:36.093 All those opposed, raise your hand. 818 00:53:36.093 --> 00:53:38.443 Okay, the motion carries. 819 00:53:38.443 --> 00:53:39.637 All right. 820 00:53:39.637 --> 00:53:40.852 Okay, next one. 821 00:53:40.852 --> 00:53:42.445 Let's move on. 822 00:53:42.445 --> 00:53:45.491 Next one, Mr. Maynard, keep up with this here 823 00:53:45.491 --> 00:53:48.909 so I don't skip whatever's might be next. 824 00:53:48.909 --> 00:53:50.159 Or is it staff? 825 00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:52.975 <v Ratcliffe>There are some other amendments</v> 826 00:53:52.975 --> 00:53:55.807 potentially coming that deal with 1.2, 827 00:53:55.807 --> 00:54:00.234 but they also impact the resolution at the end, so... 828 00:54:00.234 --> 00:54:01.570 <v ->Oh, maybe wait?</v> 829 00:54:01.570 --> 00:54:02.403 <v Ratcliffe>Yeah.</v> 830 00:54:02.403 --> 00:54:04.037 <v ->Until we get that, okay.</v> 831 00:54:04.037 --> 00:54:05.383 That'd be fine. 832 00:54:05.383 --> 00:54:06.216 So, okay. 833 00:54:10.043 --> 00:54:12.383 <v Ratcliffe>And we're moving to chapter two</v> 834 00:54:12.383 --> 00:54:16.050 and on 2.1, it's been suggested that we add, 835 00:54:17.410 --> 00:54:19.278 this deals with if there's not a quorum 836 00:54:19.278 --> 00:54:20.474 at the board meeting, 837 00:54:20.474 --> 00:54:22.351 to add the words "shall be recessed" 838 00:54:22.351 --> 00:54:24.841 and add "or adjourned" just so 839 00:54:24.841 --> 00:54:28.174 we are covering our legal options there. 840 00:54:29.056 --> 00:54:32.255 <v ->Any objection to that change.</v> 841 00:54:32.255 --> 00:54:33.338 Hearing none. 842 00:54:34.381 --> 00:54:37.631 2.1 on page SBOE-5 on the main document 843 00:54:38.826 --> 00:54:41.132 that staff put together for us. 844 00:54:41.132 --> 00:54:41.974 Okay. 845 00:54:41.974 --> 00:54:43.633 All right. 846 00:54:43.633 --> 00:54:44.952 Yes? 847 00:54:44.952 --> 00:54:46.225 Mr. Mercer? 848 00:54:46.225 --> 00:54:47.139 Okay, go ahead. 849 00:54:47.139 --> 00:54:50.218 <v ->The question was, it's a technical thing,</v> 850 00:54:50.218 --> 00:54:54.285 but it's only if someone calls a quorum on it, is that true? 851 00:54:54.285 --> 00:54:55.369 And we could have three members here 852 00:54:55.369 --> 00:54:56.962 but no one calls a quorum call, 853 00:54:56.962 --> 00:55:01.295 we'd keep on going, just a point of technical thing. 854 00:55:02.143 --> 00:55:05.047 <v ->I don't think that's actually accurate for us,</v> 855 00:55:05.047 --> 00:55:06.601 if you're meeting as the full board, 856 00:55:06.601 --> 00:55:10.134 we need eight more board members present. 857 00:55:10.134 --> 00:55:11.801 To conduct business. 858 00:55:13.350 --> 00:55:16.530 <v ->And I would add as a point of parliamentary note</v> 859 00:55:16.530 --> 00:55:18.918 that the chair has an obligation 860 00:55:18.918 --> 00:55:20.653 if she notices that a quorum 861 00:55:20.653 --> 00:55:25.238 is no longer present to notify the body of that fact. 862 00:55:25.238 --> 00:55:27.738 And to take no further action. 863 00:55:30.640 --> 00:55:31.640 <v ->All right.</v> 864 00:55:33.255 --> 00:55:34.348 What's the next one? 865 00:55:34.348 --> 00:55:39.015 <v ->It's on SBOE-6, it's at the middle of the page, 2.6-B.</v> 866 00:55:40.406 --> 00:55:41.839 And that's updating the language 867 00:55:41.839 --> 00:55:43.593 dealing with video conferencing, 868 00:55:43.593 --> 00:55:46.003 there've been some statutory changes there, 869 00:55:46.003 --> 00:55:47.958 so we're just now reflecting 870 00:55:47.958 --> 00:55:50.625 what the statute you fall under. 871 00:55:51.658 --> 00:55:55.887 <v Bahorich>Any objections to that change?</v> 872 00:55:55.887 --> 00:55:57.307 Hearing none. 873 00:55:57.307 --> 00:55:59.277 Amendment's adopted. 874 00:55:59.277 --> 00:56:00.503 <v Ratcliffe>At the bottom of that page,</v> 875 00:56:00.503 --> 00:56:04.248 we're going to amend our proposal on C, 876 00:56:04.248 --> 00:56:05.837 that very last sentence there, 877 00:56:05.837 --> 00:56:09.416 we're just now suggesting adding noise makers. 878 00:56:09.416 --> 00:56:10.895 <v Bahorich>Flags and noise makers.</v> 879 00:56:10.895 --> 00:56:11.758 <v Ratcliffe>Well...</v> 880 00:56:11.758 --> 00:56:13.188 <v Bahorich>Flags?</v> 881 00:56:13.188 --> 00:56:15.731 <v Ratcliffe>I think after our conversation Friday</v> 882 00:56:15.731 --> 00:56:18.081 that we probably shouldn't include flags. 883 00:56:18.081 --> 00:56:20.748 That would be my recommendation. 884 00:56:21.775 --> 00:56:23.858 It's certainly up to you. 885 00:56:26.504 --> 00:56:28.004 <v Bahorich>Yeah.</v> 886 00:56:30.834 --> 00:56:32.850 <v ->There was a concern that it might raise</v> 887 00:56:32.850 --> 00:56:34.850 a First Amendment issue. 888 00:56:36.486 --> 00:56:39.771 Was some advice we got from legal counsel last week. 889 00:56:39.771 --> 00:56:41.742 <v ->I think, you know, perhaps what we do,</v> 890 00:56:41.742 --> 00:56:45.968 maybe in the rules that we kind of post up here, 891 00:56:45.968 --> 00:56:50.051 that kind of talk about respecting others that, 892 00:56:50.051 --> 00:56:52.697 you know, you don't want things in front of people. 893 00:56:52.697 --> 00:56:54.716 Like I noticed we had a couple of hearings 894 00:56:54.716 --> 00:56:57.466 where very large flags, you know, 895 00:57:00.471 --> 00:57:03.003 could obstruct the view of a lot of people, 896 00:57:03.003 --> 00:57:04.815 and so that was why the original thought 897 00:57:04.815 --> 00:57:08.125 was that you would include flags, 'cause they're very big. 898 00:57:08.125 --> 00:57:10.229 The ones that were brought in here. 899 00:57:10.229 --> 00:57:11.062 And... 900 00:57:12.385 --> 00:57:13.218 Yes. 901 00:57:13.218 --> 00:57:14.051 Mr. Rowley? 902 00:57:14.051 --> 00:57:14.884 <v ->Yeah, so well, it seems to me</v> 903 00:57:14.884 --> 00:57:16.284 if we're talking about First Amendment issues, 904 00:57:16.284 --> 00:57:19.463 signs and placards would be just as germane 905 00:57:19.463 --> 00:57:22.000 on a First Amendment speech issue 906 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.064 as would a flag, perhaps even more so. 907 00:57:25.064 --> 00:57:27.523 Because sign and placard pretty much 908 00:57:27.523 --> 00:57:30.106 has a speech connotation to it. 909 00:57:31.423 --> 00:57:33.985 But perhaps what we might consider doing 910 00:57:33.985 --> 00:57:38.985 in this amendment is stating the purpose of saying no signs, 911 00:57:39.049 --> 00:57:41.228 placards, flags, noisemakers or other objects 912 00:57:41.228 --> 00:57:44.592 of a similar nature which might distract 913 00:57:44.592 --> 00:57:47.925 from an orderly proceeding of a meeting, 914 00:57:48.946 --> 00:57:51.343 then at least we have a rational basis 915 00:57:51.343 --> 00:57:55.068 other than just impairment of free speech. 916 00:57:55.068 --> 00:57:56.016 But I'll defer-- 917 00:57:56.016 --> 00:57:58.145 <v Bahorich>I'll let Chris speak first.</v> 918 00:57:58.145 --> 00:57:59.478 Go ahead. 919 00:57:59.478 --> 00:58:02.076 <v ->I think the conversation on Friday</v> 920 00:58:02.076 --> 00:58:04.243 was towards certain flags. 921 00:58:06.032 --> 00:58:07.805 For example, can you keep out 922 00:58:07.805 --> 00:58:10.583 a Confederate flag, a Nazi flag? 923 00:58:10.583 --> 00:58:12.231 Well, you can't just decide which flags 924 00:58:12.231 --> 00:58:13.639 you want to keep out. 925 00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:15.149 If you're starting to make distinctions, 926 00:58:15.149 --> 00:58:17.703 you can have the French flag 927 00:58:17.703 --> 00:58:20.554 but not the Confederate flag, 928 00:58:20.554 --> 00:58:23.065 then you get in a free speech problem. 929 00:58:23.065 --> 00:58:27.019 I think as written this is okay 'cause it's content neutral. 930 00:58:27.019 --> 00:58:29.440 It's no signs, no matter what content, 931 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:31.251 no placards, no matter what content, 932 00:58:31.251 --> 00:58:33.410 no flags, no noisemakers. 933 00:58:33.410 --> 00:58:37.366 I think you can do that if this is what you wish to do. 934 00:58:37.366 --> 00:58:38.866 <v Bahorich>Okay.</v> 935 00:58:40.550 --> 00:58:42.202 <v ->I would not offer that amendment then,</v> 936 00:58:42.202 --> 00:58:44.517 I mean, because I don't think we're raising the issue 937 00:58:44.517 --> 00:58:47.629 of First Amendment if it reads 938 00:58:47.629 --> 00:58:50.212 an absolute ban on those items. 939 00:58:51.289 --> 00:58:52.582 And we can all understand for the purpose 940 00:58:52.582 --> 00:58:55.848 of orderly conduct and not distracting 941 00:58:55.848 --> 00:58:57.765 other audience members. 942 00:59:02.584 --> 00:59:04.834 (laughter) 943 00:59:06.023 --> 00:59:08.989 <v Bahorich>Yes, Mr. Cortez.</v> 944 00:59:08.989 --> 00:59:10.668 <v ->You know, while I recall the instance</v> 945 00:59:10.668 --> 00:59:13.790 that we're, I guess, trying to reference, 946 00:59:13.790 --> 00:59:16.404 and while I necessarily didn't agree with it, 947 00:59:16.404 --> 00:59:19.987 I just don't think that we should limit it. 948 00:59:23.552 --> 00:59:26.733 I think just by putting the word flag in there, 949 00:59:26.733 --> 00:59:28.520 I mean, if somebody walks in here with a Texas flag 950 00:59:28.520 --> 00:59:32.937 or US flag, and I just, I don't see an issue with it. 951 00:59:36.092 --> 00:59:38.287 Obviously my preference would have been 952 00:59:38.287 --> 00:59:40.535 not having had that one flag 953 00:59:40.535 --> 00:59:43.611 that was in here at one time, but it was. 954 00:59:43.611 --> 00:59:46.873 And I thought the meeting flowed smoothly, 955 00:59:46.873 --> 00:59:50.142 it was no big fight that broke out. 956 00:59:50.142 --> 00:59:53.134 You know, so I don't know, I would just object. 957 00:59:53.134 --> 00:59:54.994 I mean, obviously the noisemakers, I get it. 958 00:59:54.994 --> 00:59:56.181 But the flags. 959 00:59:56.181 --> 00:59:57.014 <v Bahorich>Yeah.</v> 960 00:59:57.014 --> 00:59:57.847 <v ->Whether we like it or not,</v> 961 00:59:57.847 --> 00:59:59.365 I mean, I think people should be able 962 00:59:59.365 --> 01:00:02.448 to express what they want to express. 963 01:00:06.063 --> 01:00:09.079 <v ->Mr. Ellis hasn't spoken, so Dr. Ellis.</v> 964 01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:09.985 <v ->Along those same lines,</v> 965 01:00:09.985 --> 01:00:10.944 I would agree to the extent 966 01:00:10.944 --> 01:00:14.422 that I'm not necessarily sure which way is the proper way, 967 01:00:14.422 --> 01:00:17.081 but I think it just needs to be one way or the other. 968 01:00:17.081 --> 01:00:18.395 If you have it where, as long 969 01:00:18.395 --> 01:00:23.395 as it's not affecting the meeting or creating a controversy, 970 01:00:24.170 --> 01:00:25.940 then it falls upon the board chair 971 01:00:25.940 --> 01:00:28.343 to decide if it's creating an issue. 972 01:00:28.343 --> 01:00:29.518 So whether we have or don't, 973 01:00:29.518 --> 01:00:32.503 I think it needs to be just none at all 974 01:00:32.503 --> 01:00:34.836 or to be permissive for all. 975 01:00:36.508 --> 01:00:39.566 But not necessarily where if it's causing a distraction, 976 01:00:39.566 --> 01:00:41.466 'cause that's going to get very arbitrary 977 01:00:41.466 --> 01:00:44.682 on what's causing a distraction or not. 978 01:00:44.682 --> 01:00:46.031 <v Bahorich>Yeah.</v> 979 01:00:46.031 --> 01:00:47.364 Yes, Mr. Rowley. 980 01:00:48.609 --> 01:00:49.442 Oh, okay. 981 01:00:51.472 --> 01:00:53.639 <v ->Well, I think it's more,</v> 982 01:00:56.222 --> 01:00:59.133 it's a safer approach with regard 983 01:00:59.133 --> 01:01:03.567 to our rules if it's an absolute prohibition 984 01:01:03.567 --> 01:01:06.668 instead of a decision made on the part 985 01:01:06.668 --> 01:01:08.824 of the chair or the board or anyone else. 986 01:01:08.824 --> 01:01:11.791 And to speak to Member Cortez's point, 987 01:01:11.791 --> 01:01:13.523 actually it was an issue, 988 01:01:13.523 --> 01:01:16.178 because I went over to address it, 989 01:01:16.178 --> 01:01:19.727 as you'll recall to try to work the deal out 990 01:01:19.727 --> 01:01:22.133 and we wound up, it wound up being okay, 991 01:01:22.133 --> 01:01:22.966 but I had a number of people 992 01:01:22.966 --> 01:01:25.194 come approach me and said that's offensive to me. 993 01:01:25.194 --> 01:01:27.372 And I would rather you get that out of here. 994 01:01:27.372 --> 01:01:29.880 Yeah, and so I went over to try to address it. 995 01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:32.705 So I think in that instance it was disruptive. 996 01:01:32.705 --> 01:01:35.279 And I think it would have been more difficult to say, 997 01:01:35.279 --> 01:01:37.136 you know, the nature of that flag 998 01:01:37.136 --> 01:01:39.318 is such we don't want it in here. 999 01:01:39.318 --> 01:01:40.151 I think it would have been 1000 01:01:40.151 --> 01:01:42.467 much more constitutionally protected 1001 01:01:42.467 --> 01:01:44.345 had we said we don't allow signs, 1002 01:01:44.345 --> 01:01:47.242 placards, noisemakers or flags. 1003 01:01:47.242 --> 01:01:50.387 And so I would speak in favor of the amendment, personally. 1004 01:01:50.387 --> 01:01:52.704 <v Bahorich>Any other discussion?</v> 1005 01:01:52.704 --> 01:01:53.954 Yes, Ms. Perez? 1006 01:01:55.064 --> 01:01:58.012 <v ->If it makes it easier we could bring it in alignment</v> 1007 01:01:58.012 --> 01:02:01.255 with our audience or our member 1008 01:02:01.255 --> 01:02:03.010 of the audience participation rules 1009 01:02:03.010 --> 01:02:05.593 which reads no signs, placards, 1010 01:02:06.575 --> 01:02:08.856 or other objects of similar nature 1011 01:02:08.856 --> 01:02:11.273 or meaning a visual displays. 1012 01:02:12.304 --> 01:02:13.697 No posters, props, signs, placards, 1013 01:02:13.697 --> 01:02:16.437 or other visual displays. 1014 01:02:16.437 --> 01:02:19.682 If you're wearing a lapel pin, fine. 1015 01:02:19.682 --> 01:02:21.127 If you're bringing in something that's the size 1016 01:02:21.127 --> 01:02:23.852 of what you put on a flagpole at your school, 1017 01:02:23.852 --> 01:02:27.058 it's distracting and if you're sitting 1018 01:02:27.058 --> 01:02:32.058 in front of the audience, no one behind you can participate. 1019 01:02:32.542 --> 01:02:37.027 And it does bring it in alignment with our audience rules. 1020 01:02:37.027 --> 01:02:39.146 <v ->What is that one, where is that one,</v> 1021 01:02:39.146 --> 01:02:43.246 'cause we should have those two, where is it? 1022 01:02:43.246 --> 01:02:44.079 Oh. 1023 01:02:45.631 --> 01:02:46.923 Oh, I see. 1024 01:02:46.923 --> 01:02:49.386 <v ->Because very clearly the incident</v> 1025 01:02:49.386 --> 01:02:52.486 that we're all referencing without referencing it, 1026 01:02:52.486 --> 01:02:55.071 was the gentleman who came in with a Confederate flag 1027 01:02:55.071 --> 01:02:56.554 on his walker prior to attacking 1028 01:02:56.554 --> 01:03:00.525 all of the districts one through four. 1029 01:03:00.525 --> 01:03:03.525 And it was clearly a visual display. 1030 01:03:05.445 --> 01:03:06.364 And if we're not going to allow 1031 01:03:06.364 --> 01:03:07.932 some visual displays then 1032 01:03:07.932 --> 01:03:09.622 let's not allow any visual displays. 1033 01:03:09.622 --> 01:03:12.277 We don't want posters, we don't want signs. 1034 01:03:12.277 --> 01:03:15.077 We don't want those kinds of distractions. 1035 01:03:15.077 --> 01:03:17.440 He may do that in his house but this is not his house, 1036 01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:18.460 this is the people's house 1037 01:03:18.460 --> 01:03:23.127 and I don't think that that added any value to his rant. 1038 01:03:27.811 --> 01:03:28.814 <v ->Yes, Ms. Cargill.</v> 1039 01:03:28.814 --> 01:03:31.240 <v ->Just to clarify, all of that is allowed,</v> 1040 01:03:31.240 --> 01:03:33.700 just right here in the lobby. 1041 01:03:33.700 --> 01:03:35.773 You know, they can certainly, 1042 01:03:35.773 --> 01:03:37.939 it's just in a business meeting not appropriate, 1043 01:03:37.939 --> 01:03:39.473 but it is allowed in the lobby 1044 01:03:39.473 --> 01:03:42.857 and out front and everywhere else. 1045 01:03:42.857 --> 01:03:43.690 <v ->Right.</v> 1046 01:03:44.680 --> 01:03:46.103 Yes, Mister-- 1047 01:03:46.103 --> 01:03:48.028 <v Rowley>So, will they be notified</v> 1048 01:03:48.028 --> 01:03:50.781 when they sign up for public comment, 1049 01:03:50.781 --> 01:03:52.011 will all of this be told to them 1050 01:03:52.011 --> 01:03:54.678 in advance of when they sign up? 1051 01:03:55.975 --> 01:03:58.141 <v Ratcliffe>They are, it is in the rules,</v> 1052 01:03:58.141 --> 01:04:01.031 and then if we anticipate that kind of activity 1053 01:04:01.031 --> 01:04:05.191 we put a poster out on the table outside the doorway. 1054 01:04:05.191 --> 01:04:06.441 With the rules. 1055 01:04:09.567 --> 01:04:11.448 <v Cortez>Yeah.</v> 1056 01:04:11.448 --> 01:04:15.405 Member Rowley convinced me with his... 1057 01:04:15.405 --> 01:04:16.508 <v Bahorich>Any other discussion?</v> 1058 01:04:16.508 --> 01:04:17.341 All those-- 1059 01:04:17.341 --> 01:04:18.174 <v ->He had me at hello.</v> 1060 01:04:18.174 --> 01:04:21.656 <v ->All those in favor of amending to no signs,</v> 1061 01:04:21.656 --> 01:04:23.763 placards, flags, noisemakers, or other objects 1062 01:04:23.763 --> 01:04:25.078 of a similar nature shall be permitted 1063 01:04:25.078 --> 01:04:26.584 in the audience gallery area. 1064 01:04:26.584 --> 01:04:28.317 All those in favor say aye. 1065 01:04:28.317 --> 01:04:29.150 <v Multiple>Aye.</v> 1066 01:04:29.150 --> 01:04:31.983 <v ->All those opposed say no.</v> 1067 01:04:31.983 --> 01:04:34.566 All right, okay, let's move on. 1068 01:04:35.806 --> 01:04:37.543 <v ->I believe we have an amendment for--</v> 1069 01:04:37.543 --> 01:04:38.821 <v Bahorich>On E?</v> 1070 01:04:38.821 --> 01:04:41.421 <v ->2.6-C, to back up just a little bit,</v> 1071 01:04:41.421 --> 01:04:43.504 dealing with cell phones. 1072 01:04:44.586 --> 01:04:46.974 And it's on page seven of your-- 1073 01:04:46.974 --> 01:04:49.307 <v Bahorich>Oh, yes.</v> 1074 01:04:49.307 --> 01:04:52.617 <v ->Handout with board member amendments.</v> 1075 01:04:52.617 --> 01:04:54.430 <v Bahorich>I should have probably marked this</v> 1076 01:04:54.430 --> 01:04:57.804 on each of our, where all these are. 1077 01:04:57.804 --> 01:04:59.715 Kay, go ahead, I don't know who's making that. 1078 01:04:59.715 --> 01:05:01.414 Can you go ahead? 1079 01:05:01.414 --> 01:05:02.247 Dr. Ellis? 1080 01:05:03.414 --> 01:05:05.612 <v ->Yeah, I think this was probably written</v> 1081 01:05:05.612 --> 01:05:07.818 at a time when cell phones were newer, 1082 01:05:07.818 --> 01:05:10.091 maybe not ubiquitous as they are now. 1083 01:05:10.091 --> 01:05:11.821 I think we all use the cell phones 1084 01:05:11.821 --> 01:05:14.104 as part of transacting our business 1085 01:05:14.104 --> 01:05:17.284 on the board and communication. 1086 01:05:17.284 --> 01:05:22.192 I don't see a place and time where the board chair would, 1087 01:05:22.192 --> 01:05:24.038 where the board would restrict the members 1088 01:05:24.038 --> 01:05:25.443 from using cell phones during meetings, 1089 01:05:25.443 --> 01:05:28.030 so if that's the issue I would make a motion 1090 01:05:28.030 --> 01:05:30.030 that we take that C out. 1091 01:05:34.271 --> 01:05:35.268 <v Bahorich>I think that's correct.</v> 1092 01:05:35.268 --> 01:05:36.509 Is there any objection? 1093 01:05:36.509 --> 01:05:38.592 Hearing none, amendment-- 1094 01:05:39.946 --> 01:05:42.779 <v ->The next amendment is on SBOE-7.</v> 1095 01:05:44.593 --> 01:05:48.681 And this deals with prohibiting supporters 1096 01:05:48.681 --> 01:05:52.529 of people testifying from gathering here behind the podium. 1097 01:05:52.529 --> 01:05:54.262 The thought is it just makes it difficult 1098 01:05:54.262 --> 01:05:56.689 to tell who the next speaker is. 1099 01:05:56.689 --> 01:05:58.783 It can certainly, the supporters can still stand up 1100 01:05:58.783 --> 01:06:00.998 in the audience or wave their hands 1101 01:06:00.998 --> 01:06:04.331 but to try to avoid a jam up right here. 1102 01:06:06.474 --> 01:06:10.076 <v ->Is there any objection to that addition?</v> 1103 01:06:10.076 --> 01:06:11.370 Hearing none. 1104 01:06:11.370 --> 01:06:12.870 Amendment carries. 1105 01:06:14.731 --> 01:06:16.494 All right, what's our next. 1106 01:06:16.494 --> 01:06:18.077 <v ->It's 2.9-A and B.</v> 1107 01:06:21.027 --> 01:06:23.410 I think Mr. Maynard has... 1108 01:06:23.410 --> 01:06:24.243 <v Bahorich>Mr. Maynard?</v> 1109 01:06:24.243 --> 01:06:25.653 <v ->Amendment...</v> 1110 01:06:25.653 --> 01:06:28.820 <v ->Madam Chair, you can see the rationale on this one,</v> 1111 01:06:28.820 --> 01:06:32.237 but the motion is to strike the language, 1112 01:06:33.467 --> 01:06:35.713 at least one week prior to the posting deadline 1113 01:06:35.713 --> 01:06:37.872 for the board meeting at which the resolution 1114 01:06:37.872 --> 01:06:40.278 is to be considered, and insert not less 1115 01:06:40.278 --> 01:06:42.751 than four weeks before the Monday, 1116 01:06:42.751 --> 01:06:45.728 I'm going to change this just a little bit. 1117 01:06:45.728 --> 01:06:48.320 The Monday of board meeting week. 1118 01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:49.865 <v Bahorich>Oh, yeah.</v> 1119 01:06:49.865 --> 01:06:50.698 Okay. 1120 01:06:52.150 --> 01:06:56.317 <v ->During which the resolution is to be considered.</v> 1121 01:07:00.871 --> 01:07:03.138 <v ->And everybody can see the rationale there.</v> 1122 01:07:03.138 --> 01:07:06.083 It's kind of a convoluted thing that we say now. 1123 01:07:06.083 --> 01:07:07.609 So this is trying to bring some clarity 1124 01:07:07.609 --> 01:07:10.119 to that particular amendment. 1125 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:11.561 Any objection? 1126 01:07:11.561 --> 01:07:12.644 Hearing none. 1127 01:07:16.067 --> 01:07:21.067 <v ->The next amendment is on the main packet, it's on SBOE-10.</v> 1128 01:07:21.164 --> 01:07:21.997 <v Maynard>Madam Chair,</v> 1129 01:07:21.997 --> 01:07:23.697 I have, there's one more in that section. 1130 01:07:23.697 --> 01:07:24.773 <v ->Oh, okay.</v> 1131 01:07:24.773 --> 01:07:26.167 <v Bahorich>Oh, I'm sorry.</v> 1132 01:07:26.167 --> 01:07:29.636 <v ->And on 2.9-B, strike the board</v> 1133 01:07:29.636 --> 01:07:32.584 made by unanimous consent pass a congratulatory, 1134 01:07:32.584 --> 01:07:35.348 commendatory, or other non-substantive resolution 1135 01:07:35.348 --> 01:07:38.785 without the notice required by this section, 1136 01:07:38.785 --> 01:07:42.324 and insert titles for congratulatory, 1137 01:07:42.324 --> 01:07:45.744 commendatory, or other non-substantive resolutions 1138 01:07:45.744 --> 01:07:48.052 shall be submitted by the timelines prescribed 1139 01:07:48.052 --> 01:07:49.732 in this section with resolution text 1140 01:07:49.732 --> 01:07:52.187 following at a date and time consistent 1141 01:07:52.187 --> 01:07:56.354 with the staff's pre-meeting preparation timeline. 1142 01:07:59.156 --> 01:08:00.999 So, somebody speak to the issue, 1143 01:08:00.999 --> 01:08:03.928 so actually the posting deadline, 1144 01:08:03.928 --> 01:08:07.559 whether it is a resolution dealing with policy 1145 01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:11.231 or whether it is a congratulatory resolution 1146 01:08:11.231 --> 01:08:14.598 of some kind, the posting deadline is actually the same. 1147 01:08:14.598 --> 01:08:19.598 The difference is that any time that we have a resolution 1148 01:08:20.082 --> 01:08:23.828 dealing with policy, there's really two purposes. 1149 01:08:23.828 --> 01:08:27.228 One is posting and production by the staff, 1150 01:08:27.228 --> 01:08:29.244 the other one is to allow the board itself 1151 01:08:29.244 --> 01:08:31.724 to have some time to reflect and to consider 1152 01:08:31.724 --> 01:08:34.840 the content of that particular resolution. 1153 01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:38.340 In the case of a sort of a non-substantive 1154 01:08:40.670 --> 01:08:42.841 congratulatory resolution, that's probably 1155 01:08:42.841 --> 01:08:45.091 not terribly controversial, 1156 01:08:46.375 --> 01:08:48.510 the staff at the very least needs the title for that, 1157 01:08:48.510 --> 01:08:49.842 because they have to post it 1158 01:08:49.842 --> 01:08:52.331 and then as long as whoever's doing that 1159 01:08:52.331 --> 01:08:54.811 gets the text to them in some sort of time 1160 01:08:54.811 --> 01:08:57.322 where they can get it into production, it's fine. 1161 01:08:57.322 --> 01:08:58.655 That's the idea. 1162 01:09:02.206 --> 01:09:03.206 <v ->So what...</v> 1163 01:09:04.289 --> 01:09:07.952 In that instance, so, if we had a school 1164 01:09:07.952 --> 01:09:10.326 in our district that won a blue ribbon, 1165 01:09:10.326 --> 01:09:13.626 we could submit language, send a resolution 1166 01:09:13.626 --> 01:09:15.415 as member of the State Board, 1167 01:09:15.415 --> 01:09:16.942 on behalf of the State Board, 1168 01:09:16.942 --> 01:09:19.740 in the congratulatory sense to that entity 1169 01:09:19.740 --> 01:09:24.490 or in situations like that, is that what they enable us-- 1170 01:09:25.791 --> 01:09:26.816 Right now we can't do that, right, 1171 01:09:26.816 --> 01:09:29.250 we can send a certificate, but we can't, 1172 01:09:29.250 --> 01:09:33.815 I don't think we do resolutions, 'cause they have a process. 1173 01:09:33.815 --> 01:09:37.696 <v ->Right, so if you were going to do a resolution,</v> 1174 01:09:37.696 --> 01:09:41.029 or propose a resolution for a, you know, 1175 01:09:42.217 --> 01:09:43.966 somebody in your district and that sort of thing, 1176 01:09:43.966 --> 01:09:47.864 that's a congratulatory, it still has to be posted. 1177 01:09:47.864 --> 01:09:50.175 And so what it would require you to do is that, 1178 01:09:50.175 --> 01:09:54.298 well, you have to notify, it has to get on the agenda. 1179 01:09:54.298 --> 01:09:56.102 The agenda has to be approved by the board 1180 01:09:56.102 --> 01:09:58.896 and it has to be posted by the staff. 1181 01:09:58.896 --> 01:10:01.271 So you still need to do that four weeks out. 1182 01:10:01.271 --> 01:10:03.571 As far as the actual text of that, 1183 01:10:03.571 --> 01:10:06.610 as long as you get it into the staff at a time 1184 01:10:06.610 --> 01:10:10.777 that works in their production schedule it's fine. 1185 01:10:12.248 --> 01:10:14.529 <v ->But that particular resolution is an example</v> 1186 01:10:14.529 --> 01:10:16.112 that I just made. 1187 01:10:16.112 --> 01:10:19.980 It doesn't have to be read on the Friday morning. 1188 01:10:19.980 --> 01:10:23.162 Are you allowing for, is your language 1189 01:10:23.162 --> 01:10:24.735 allowing for that sort of thing, 1190 01:10:24.735 --> 01:10:26.852 or does every resolution have to be read 1191 01:10:26.852 --> 01:10:29.435 on the Friday morning up there? 1192 01:10:31.413 --> 01:10:33.062 <v ->Let me try to clarify that.</v> 1193 01:10:33.062 --> 01:10:35.865 This language would deal with resolutions 1194 01:10:35.865 --> 01:10:38.669 that are being adopted by the whole board. 1195 01:10:38.669 --> 01:10:41.038 If you were doing something as an individual member, 1196 01:10:41.038 --> 01:10:44.032 it wouldn't come under this rule. 1197 01:10:44.032 --> 01:10:47.698 This is if we were adopting a resolution 1198 01:10:47.698 --> 01:10:49.531 like you do on Friday. 1199 01:10:51.783 --> 01:10:54.138 <v ->And just for my clarification,</v> 1200 01:10:54.138 --> 01:10:55.743 and maybe I'm misunderstanding, 1201 01:10:55.743 --> 01:10:58.538 but I was always told that individually 1202 01:10:58.538 --> 01:11:01.570 in our own district we weren't able to do resolutions. 1203 01:11:01.570 --> 01:11:05.461 Just certificates and that sort of thing. 1204 01:11:05.461 --> 01:11:07.428 And so I like where you're going with it, 1205 01:11:07.428 --> 01:11:11.636 but having the opportunity to issue a resolution 1206 01:11:11.636 --> 01:11:14.888 to somebody who won some big accolade 1207 01:11:14.888 --> 01:11:18.145 or award or recognition, I think that would be important, 1208 01:11:18.145 --> 01:11:21.663 but without bogging the board making sure 1209 01:11:21.663 --> 01:11:24.163 it had to be read on a Friday. 1210 01:11:26.981 --> 01:11:29.172 <v ->This is only dealing with things before the board.</v> 1211 01:11:29.172 --> 01:11:30.421 Resolutions before the board 1212 01:11:30.421 --> 01:11:32.642 that the entire board would be behind. 1213 01:11:32.642 --> 01:11:33.475 <v Maynard>Madam Chair?</v> 1214 01:11:33.475 --> 01:11:35.860 <v ->It would be read on a Friday.</v> 1215 01:11:35.860 --> 01:11:36.711 <v ->We don't have a process for what I...</v> 1216 01:11:36.711 --> 01:11:37.942 <v Maynard>Madam Chair?</v> 1217 01:11:37.942 --> 01:11:40.034 <v Bahorich>No, well, we do, but it's individually.</v> 1218 01:11:40.034 --> 01:11:40.982 <v ->But not as a resolution.</v> 1219 01:11:40.982 --> 01:11:43.457 <v ->Not as a resolution that the entire board considers.</v> 1220 01:11:43.457 --> 01:11:44.290 <v Maynard>Madam Chair?</v> 1221 01:11:44.290 --> 01:11:45.123 <v ->Currently.</v> 1222 01:11:45.123 --> 01:11:45.956 Yes, Mr. Maynard? 1223 01:11:45.956 --> 01:11:46.789 <v ->Yeah, if I could just add,</v> 1224 01:11:46.789 --> 01:11:49.413 just to answer your question, 1225 01:11:49.413 --> 01:11:51.784 how legislators normally handle that 1226 01:11:51.784 --> 01:11:54.623 during the interim is that they issue 1227 01:11:54.623 --> 01:11:57.264 a proclamation rather than a resolution. 1228 01:11:57.264 --> 01:11:59.231 And so if you as a board member 1229 01:11:59.231 --> 01:12:03.127 wanted to issue a proclamation proclaiming something, 1230 01:12:03.127 --> 01:12:03.960 you know, that can be done 1231 01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:06.264 without any sort of action whatsoever. 1232 01:12:06.264 --> 01:12:07.097 <v ->Right.</v> 1233 01:12:09.371 --> 01:12:11.227 Yeah, they have standard language 1234 01:12:11.227 --> 01:12:12.667 and things that they do, yeah. 1235 01:12:12.667 --> 01:12:15.043 But again, that's individual board members. 1236 01:12:15.043 --> 01:12:16.415 With any kind of recognition. 1237 01:12:16.415 --> 01:12:20.332 Any other questions about that particular item? 1238 01:12:21.457 --> 01:12:22.707 Any objections? 1239 01:12:23.688 --> 01:12:24.521 Hearing none. 1240 01:12:24.521 --> 01:12:26.719 We'll go ahead and make that amendment. 1241 01:12:26.719 --> 01:12:28.969 Thank you, Mr. Maynard. 1242 01:12:28.969 --> 01:12:32.052 Is that, is he at the next one, or... 1243 01:12:33.508 --> 01:12:36.868 <v ->I believe the next one is on SBOE-10.</v> 1244 01:12:36.868 --> 01:12:38.799 And it's a staff recommendation, 1245 01:12:38.799 --> 01:12:42.382 it deals with deleting registration by fax. 1246 01:12:44.254 --> 01:12:46.145 I haven't gone back to count the months, 1247 01:12:46.145 --> 01:12:47.297 but I'd say over the past year 1248 01:12:47.297 --> 01:12:51.809 I'd estimate we got no more than five submissions by fax. 1249 01:12:51.809 --> 01:12:55.056 And so we think it's time to go ahead 1250 01:12:55.056 --> 01:12:56.438 and delete fax, they'd still be able 1251 01:12:56.438 --> 01:13:00.021 to register online, by phone, or in person. 1252 01:13:02.709 --> 01:13:04.427 <v Bahorich>Telegrams, yeah. (laughs)</v> 1253 01:13:04.427 --> 01:13:05.812 <v ->We don't take telegrams.</v> 1254 01:13:05.812 --> 01:13:08.166 <v Bahorich>Any objections?</v> 1255 01:13:08.166 --> 01:13:08.999 Okay. 1256 01:13:08.999 --> 01:13:09.832 <v ->SBOE-10.</v> 1257 01:13:11.724 --> 01:13:16.194 And right at the very top of the page, the first-- 1258 01:13:16.194 --> 01:13:21.194 <v Female Speaker>The top page numbers are all different...</v> 1259 01:13:21.363 --> 01:13:22.196 <v ->2.10-B1.</v> 1260 01:13:28.244 --> 01:13:30.827 <v ->Any other discussion on that?</v> 1261 01:13:31.848 --> 01:13:32.681 Okay. 1262 01:13:38.123 --> 01:13:39.117 Yeah, go ahead and-- 1263 01:13:39.117 --> 01:13:40.968 <v ->In my district there are quite a few people</v> 1264 01:13:40.968 --> 01:13:43.452 who just simply don't have access to wi-fi 1265 01:13:43.452 --> 01:13:44.979 and if they want something in writing 1266 01:13:44.979 --> 01:13:47.529 and they want a read receipt or return receipt, 1267 01:13:47.529 --> 01:13:49.612 faxes is the only option. 1268 01:13:53.038 --> 01:13:54.253 And so I don't know why we would want 1269 01:13:54.253 --> 01:13:57.233 to eliminate that large portion of Texas 1270 01:13:57.233 --> 01:13:59.483 and eliminate their ability 1271 01:14:01.673 --> 01:14:06.673 to send something in writing that they know was received. 1272 01:14:07.067 --> 01:14:10.555 And if it's only five in a year, 1273 01:14:10.555 --> 01:14:14.919 I mean, if those five, or is it cumbersome, 1274 01:14:14.919 --> 01:14:16.611 is it difficult to monitor, 1275 01:14:16.611 --> 01:14:18.612 does it cause a problem with staff? 1276 01:14:18.612 --> 01:14:20.480 <v ->It's not difficult to monitor,</v> 1277 01:14:20.480 --> 01:14:23.025 they come in to our computer just like an email, 1278 01:14:23.025 --> 01:14:25.762 we just looked at it as a way to save a little money 1279 01:14:25.762 --> 01:14:27.327 if we got rid of the fax line. 1280 01:14:27.327 --> 01:14:29.082 But it's not a whole lot of money, 1281 01:14:29.082 --> 01:14:32.665 so if you want to keep it we certainly can. 1282 01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:36.068 <v ->All right members, all those in favor</v> 1283 01:14:36.068 --> 01:14:40.818 of eliminating the fax as an option to register, say aye. 1284 01:14:43.529 --> 01:14:45.779 All those in favor say nay. 1285 01:14:46.636 --> 01:14:48.277 All those opposed, yeah, sorry. 1286 01:14:48.277 --> 01:14:50.174 All those opposed say no. 1287 01:14:50.174 --> 01:14:51.007 (multiple responses) 1288 01:14:51.007 --> 01:14:52.334 Okay, we're not changing it. 1289 01:14:52.334 --> 01:14:54.509 We'll keep the fax line. 1290 01:14:54.509 --> 01:14:55.490 All right. 1291 01:14:55.490 --> 01:14:58.784 <v ->The next change is right below that,</v> 1292 01:14:58.784 --> 01:15:01.867 we're suggesting striking number two, 1293 01:15:02.901 --> 01:15:05.511 before we went to an online registration system, 1294 01:15:05.511 --> 01:15:07.429 there would be typically four offices 1295 01:15:07.429 --> 01:15:09.812 that would take public registration 1296 01:15:09.812 --> 01:15:12.721 depending on what committee they wanted to testify before. 1297 01:15:12.721 --> 01:15:15.010 Now our office handles them all. 1298 01:15:15.010 --> 01:15:18.127 And so we don't need that sentence anymore, 1299 01:15:18.127 --> 01:15:20.951 and then we'd renumber after that. 1300 01:15:20.951 --> 01:15:23.117 <v ->Any objection to that change?</v> 1301 01:15:23.117 --> 01:15:24.886 Hearing none. 1302 01:15:24.886 --> 01:15:25.719 All right. 1303 01:15:26.872 --> 01:15:29.535 <v ->The next change is on that same page,</v> 1304 01:15:29.535 --> 01:15:33.585 C-2, and you're going to see a similar change 1305 01:15:33.585 --> 01:15:38.079 proposed multiple places throughout the document. 1306 01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:40.690 Now when people sign up to give public testimony, 1307 01:15:40.690 --> 01:15:43.033 your standard time is three minutes. 1308 01:15:43.033 --> 01:15:46.620 But as you know, for the last ten or 15 years, 1309 01:15:46.620 --> 01:15:49.359 probably at least, if you have large crowds 1310 01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:51.549 like you had with social studies, 1311 01:15:51.549 --> 01:15:54.908 we tend to take the time down to two minutes per person 1312 01:15:54.908 --> 01:15:58.497 as part of an effort to hear everybody that signed up. 1313 01:15:58.497 --> 01:16:00.035 And so we thought it might be better 1314 01:16:00.035 --> 01:16:03.181 if we had a consistent time and then 1315 01:16:03.181 --> 01:16:06.253 if they needed more time, it's probably easier 1316 01:16:06.253 --> 01:16:11.086 to award more time than to take time away from the public. 1317 01:16:12.237 --> 01:16:14.444 <v ->So this would be an attempt to have a standard time</v> 1318 01:16:14.444 --> 01:16:16.964 that's more in keeping with our practice. 1319 01:16:16.964 --> 01:16:19.870 And then we could add time if we needed to, 1320 01:16:19.870 --> 01:16:22.551 and as you know, members, you can always extend 1321 01:16:22.551 --> 01:16:24.771 a testimony by asking questions 1322 01:16:24.771 --> 01:16:27.346 and that sort of thing of the testifier. 1323 01:16:27.346 --> 01:16:29.312 So it always does extend the time 1324 01:16:29.312 --> 01:16:31.591 if needed for any particular testifier. 1325 01:16:31.591 --> 01:16:32.924 Yes, Mr. Mercer. 1326 01:16:34.093 --> 01:16:34.968 <v ->Thank you, Madam Chair, members,</v> 1327 01:16:34.968 --> 01:16:36.438 I understand the point of this, 1328 01:16:36.438 --> 01:16:38.702 but I have to vote against this. 1329 01:16:38.702 --> 01:16:40.260 I just can't handle people driving across 1330 01:16:40.260 --> 01:16:42.538 from El Paso to Valley and tell 'em 1331 01:16:42.538 --> 01:16:45.115 thank you for being here, you only get two minutes to talk. 1332 01:16:45.115 --> 01:16:46.669 People who wait here all day and wait 1333 01:16:46.669 --> 01:16:48.496 to come back from lunch and we give 'em two minutes, 1334 01:16:48.496 --> 01:16:49.685 I'd rather keep it at three. 1335 01:16:49.685 --> 01:16:52.038 If we decide in a meeting with a large crowd 1336 01:16:52.038 --> 01:16:53.489 to change that the opposite way, 1337 01:16:53.489 --> 01:16:54.901 I can understand, but I prefer, 1338 01:16:54.901 --> 01:16:58.128 I would be embarrassed to tell someone 1339 01:16:58.128 --> 01:17:00.966 thanks for driving all this way on your own time, 1340 01:17:00.966 --> 01:17:01.945 you get two minutes. 1341 01:17:01.945 --> 01:17:03.619 I would speaking against the motion 1342 01:17:03.619 --> 01:17:06.759 and I'd rather keep it three, thank you. 1343 01:17:06.759 --> 01:17:08.801 <v Bahorich>Any other discussion, yes Ms. Cargill?</v> 1344 01:17:08.801 --> 01:17:11.579 <v ->On the other hand, as a former testifier,</v> 1345 01:17:11.579 --> 01:17:13.670 because I came and testified to the board 1346 01:17:13.670 --> 01:17:17.391 before I ran for science textbooks, 1347 01:17:17.391 --> 01:17:18.662 and I mean I had my speech down 1348 01:17:18.662 --> 01:17:20.291 to two minutes and 59 seconds 1349 01:17:20.291 --> 01:17:23.063 with a science experiment in it. 1350 01:17:23.063 --> 01:17:24.406 Involving a magnet. 1351 01:17:24.406 --> 01:17:27.823 And so, if I had done all that, you know, 1352 01:17:30.609 --> 01:17:32.470 two minutes 59, and then I was told two minutes, 1353 01:17:32.470 --> 01:17:34.123 I would have been freaking out, 1354 01:17:34.123 --> 01:17:36.698 so I understand totally what you're saying, 1355 01:17:36.698 --> 01:17:38.558 but I think I'd rather be told the two minutes 1356 01:17:38.558 --> 01:17:43.064 and get more than walk in and be told no, you don't have. 1357 01:17:43.064 --> 01:17:44.540 Anyway, the three minutes. 1358 01:17:44.540 --> 01:17:46.723 <v Bahorich>Yes, Mr. Rowley.</v> 1359 01:17:46.723 --> 01:17:48.972 <v ->I agree with Member Mercer on this.</v> 1360 01:17:48.972 --> 01:17:50.954 I think three minutes is, 1361 01:17:50.954 --> 01:17:53.954 the big issue is us asking questions 1362 01:17:54.865 --> 01:17:58.330 and making our speeches and statements 1363 01:17:58.330 --> 01:18:02.823 during testimony time, if we could refrain from doing that. 1364 01:18:02.823 --> 01:18:06.234 One more minute of testimony is not going to make 1365 01:18:06.234 --> 01:18:08.975 a dramatic difference, so I personally am in favor 1366 01:18:08.975 --> 01:18:10.800 of three minutes worth of testimony. 1367 01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:13.227 It's pretty tough to say anything in two minutes. 1368 01:18:13.227 --> 01:18:16.477 As a lawyer, politician, former pastor, 1369 01:18:18.056 --> 01:18:19.949 I couldn't do anything in two minutes. 1370 01:18:19.949 --> 01:18:20.782 (laughter) 1371 01:18:20.782 --> 01:18:23.576 As I just evidenced by this comment 1372 01:18:23.576 --> 01:18:26.539 that would take me two and a half minutes. 1373 01:18:26.539 --> 01:18:27.372 So. 1374 01:18:29.014 --> 01:18:29.878 <v Male Speaker>Where do we,</v> 1375 01:18:29.878 --> 01:18:33.806 do we have other rules in terms of X number of speakers 1376 01:18:33.806 --> 01:18:38.223 per topic or you get certain number of minutes total? 1377 01:18:41.271 --> 01:18:43.192 <v ->We do have that as a could, you know,</v> 1378 01:18:43.192 --> 01:18:44.519 where you set the limit, I mean, 1379 01:18:44.519 --> 01:18:46.540 we have that in our rule where you can set the limit, 1380 01:18:46.540 --> 01:18:47.660 but we've just not done it. 1381 01:18:47.660 --> 01:18:48.493 <v ->The reason I ask is that I think</v> 1382 01:18:48.493 --> 01:18:49.358 most ISD school boards have-- 1383 01:18:49.358 --> 01:18:50.752 <v ->Yeah, they do, that's true.</v> 1384 01:18:50.752 --> 01:18:54.015 I mean, I think hearings at HISD that I listen to, 1385 01:18:54.015 --> 01:18:57.160 they're a minute, you know, for hearings 1386 01:18:57.160 --> 01:19:01.691 and I think a lot of local trustees are two minutes. 1387 01:19:01.691 --> 01:19:03.774 Or at least I've heard... 1388 01:19:06.859 --> 01:19:08.907 Okay, let's go ahead and take a vote on this, 1389 01:19:08.907 --> 01:19:11.925 all those in favor of modifying it to two minutes 1390 01:19:11.925 --> 01:19:13.949 as our standard time limit 1391 01:19:13.949 --> 01:19:16.347 that would be in our rules, say aye. 1392 01:19:16.347 --> 01:19:17.226 (multiple responses) 1393 01:19:17.226 --> 01:19:18.756 All those opposed say no. 1394 01:19:18.756 --> 01:19:19.589 (multiple responses) 1395 01:19:19.589 --> 01:19:21.683 All those, let's hold our hands up. 1396 01:19:21.683 --> 01:19:23.464 All those in favor of changing it 1397 01:19:23.464 --> 01:19:28.464 to two minutes as the standard time limit, raise your hands. 1398 01:19:29.647 --> 01:19:32.307 All those in favor of, or not in favor 1399 01:19:32.307 --> 01:19:35.037 of that, raise your hands. 1400 01:19:35.037 --> 01:19:36.454 All the, opposed. 1401 01:19:38.229 --> 01:19:40.661 Great, okay, so motion is defeated. 1402 01:19:40.661 --> 01:19:41.494 All right. 1403 01:19:41.494 --> 01:19:42.327 Moving on. 1404 01:19:42.327 --> 01:19:43.160 <v ->Chair, how does that affect</v> 1405 01:19:43.160 --> 01:19:46.309 when the Chair does make it two minutes? 1406 01:19:46.309 --> 01:19:48.309 <v ->Yeah, I mean, I think we just keep it</v> 1407 01:19:48.309 --> 01:19:52.200 as standard practice we've been doing. 1408 01:19:52.200 --> 01:19:55.151 <v ->Or could, if we think it's a controversial,</v> 1409 01:19:55.151 --> 01:19:56.582 or one that we think a lot of people 1410 01:19:56.582 --> 01:19:58.926 are going to come talk about, 1411 01:19:58.926 --> 01:20:02.264 could it say it on the online registration? 1412 01:20:02.264 --> 01:20:03.681 <v ->So Madam Chair?</v> 1413 01:20:04.865 --> 01:20:06.505 It's Monica. 1414 01:20:06.505 --> 01:20:09.618 So I'm not sure that it's clear that with, 1415 01:20:09.618 --> 01:20:11.136 for the last several years, 1416 01:20:11.136 --> 01:20:12.788 for all of your items where you are going 1417 01:20:12.788 --> 01:20:15.503 to have a large number of testifiers, 1418 01:20:15.503 --> 01:20:17.056 it has been two minutes. 1419 01:20:17.056 --> 01:20:21.268 And notice was provided in advance in all of the postings. 1420 01:20:21.268 --> 01:20:23.351 So this really came from, 1421 01:20:24.237 --> 01:20:26.522 because the items already have lots of folks 1422 01:20:26.522 --> 01:20:27.754 who want to come testify, 1423 01:20:27.754 --> 01:20:31.190 they have been two minutes for the last several years. 1424 01:20:31.190 --> 01:20:32.853 That creates some confusion, 1425 01:20:32.853 --> 01:20:36.199 particularly in your smaller committees, 1426 01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:38.071 when the question becomes, 1427 01:20:38.071 --> 01:20:40.302 should it be two minutes or three minutes? 1428 01:20:40.302 --> 01:20:43.152 So this was an attempt to standardize 1429 01:20:43.152 --> 01:20:46.427 that because that is a decision that the chair 1430 01:20:46.427 --> 01:20:49.233 has been able to and has made 1431 01:20:49.233 --> 01:20:52.487 and for all of your items where you've had 1432 01:20:52.487 --> 01:20:53.834 any number of testifiers 1433 01:20:53.834 --> 01:20:57.917 that would be significant, it's been two minutes. 1434 01:21:00.992 --> 01:21:03.129 <v ->What I've seen at some of the local ISDs</v> 1435 01:21:03.129 --> 01:21:07.181 now have language that says if you have in excess 1436 01:21:07.181 --> 01:21:10.768 of 30 testifiers or 40 testifiers, 1437 01:21:10.768 --> 01:21:12.765 then it'd be a modified time, 1438 01:21:12.765 --> 01:21:14.104 and then they'll be told in advance, 1439 01:21:14.104 --> 01:21:16.033 that way there's, it doesn't happen 1440 01:21:16.033 --> 01:21:18.747 the minute they arrive in here. 1441 01:21:18.747 --> 01:21:20.911 I'd be amenable to something like that 1442 01:21:20.911 --> 01:21:23.308 where we can put language in there 1443 01:21:23.308 --> 01:21:27.391 where if we know, you know, if we've got over 50, 1444 01:21:28.664 --> 01:21:30.754 you know, but if you've got ten, 1445 01:21:30.754 --> 01:21:33.406 why are we going to tell them two minutes, you know. 1446 01:21:33.406 --> 01:21:34.363 But if there's a certain number 1447 01:21:34.363 --> 01:21:35.664 and we know it's going to carry on 1448 01:21:35.664 --> 01:21:38.008 for ten hours, then maybe-- 1449 01:21:38.008 --> 01:21:40.969 <v ->If you'd like to make an amendment right now,</v> 1450 01:21:40.969 --> 01:21:42.775 I mean, we've voted on this. 1451 01:21:42.775 --> 01:21:45.298 <v ->So Madam, parliamentary question to point of order,</v> 1452 01:21:45.298 --> 01:21:46.393 we already voted on this issue, 1453 01:21:46.393 --> 01:21:47.700 we've already debated and voted on this, 1454 01:21:47.700 --> 01:21:49.867 why are we discussing now? 1455 01:21:51.881 --> 01:21:53.696 <v ->(laughs) 'Cause Ms.--</v> 1456 01:21:53.696 --> 01:21:55.776 (no audio) 1457 01:21:55.776 --> 01:21:56.609 Okay. 1458 01:21:56.609 --> 01:22:00.818 So we're going to go ahead and keep on going. 1459 01:22:00.818 --> 01:22:02.835 Okay, what's the next... 1460 01:22:02.835 --> 01:22:06.085 <v ->The next amendment is on SBOE-11 D-1,</v> 1461 01:22:09.285 --> 01:22:11.148 when you had a printed agenda, 1462 01:22:11.148 --> 01:22:13.480 your information pages were yellow. 1463 01:22:13.480 --> 01:22:15.565 Now as an electronic agenda, 1464 01:22:15.565 --> 01:22:18.151 they're just white, so we're saying 1465 01:22:18.151 --> 01:22:21.199 strike the reference to yellow pages. 1466 01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:22.850 <v ->Any objection to that amendment?</v> 1467 01:22:22.850 --> 01:22:23.933 Hearing none. 1468 01:22:25.868 --> 01:22:26.701 Next. 1469 01:22:28.500 --> 01:22:30.927 <v ->It's D-2 on that same page.</v> 1470 01:22:30.927 --> 01:22:31.812 It sounds like we ought to skip 1471 01:22:31.812 --> 01:22:34.814 the first proposal and stick with the three minutes. 1472 01:22:34.814 --> 01:22:35.647 <v Bahorich>Right.</v> 1473 01:22:35.647 --> 01:22:37.981 <v ->There is another amendment that says,</v> 1474 01:22:37.981 --> 01:22:40.770 that just tries to clarify some language 1475 01:22:40.770 --> 01:22:43.748 that it would, it's proposed as a responses 1476 01:22:43.748 --> 01:22:45.681 to questions from board members 1477 01:22:45.681 --> 01:22:47.839 shall not be counted against the time allotted 1478 01:22:47.839 --> 01:22:50.006 for oral public testimony. 1479 01:22:52.122 --> 01:22:53.988 <v ->Any objection to that clarification,</v> 1480 01:22:53.988 --> 01:22:57.771 we think that sentence is worded better. 1481 01:22:57.771 --> 01:22:58.604 Any objection? 1482 01:22:58.604 --> 01:22:59.854 Yes, Ms. Perez? 1483 01:23:01.162 --> 01:23:02.930 <v ->Testimony invited by board members,</v> 1484 01:23:02.930 --> 01:23:06.445 does this mean we're not inviting people anymore? 1485 01:23:06.445 --> 01:23:07.947 Because that's what's stricken. 1486 01:23:07.947 --> 01:23:11.197 (indistinct responses) 1487 01:23:18.803 --> 01:23:19.636 <v ->Right.</v> 1488 01:23:22.035 --> 01:23:23.996 So it says responses to questions 1489 01:23:23.996 --> 01:23:25.334 from board members shall not 1490 01:23:25.334 --> 01:23:27.187 be counted against the time allotted. 1491 01:23:27.187 --> 01:23:31.295 But what's stricken is testimony invited by board members. 1492 01:23:31.295 --> 01:23:34.387 So are we saying we're not inviting testimony? 1493 01:23:34.387 --> 01:23:37.974 We're striking it, so is that what we're doing? 1494 01:23:37.974 --> 01:23:40.681 <v ->We're trying to say what this sentence</v> 1495 01:23:40.681 --> 01:23:42.889 was supposed to get, 'cause I've had this conversation, 1496 01:23:42.889 --> 01:23:46.161 I said I don't even know what this is talking about. 1497 01:23:46.161 --> 01:23:49.244 And Debbie said that as she recalled, 1498 01:23:50.273 --> 01:23:52.459 this sentence was about that 1499 01:23:52.459 --> 01:23:55.176 you're not going to count against the testifier 1500 01:23:55.176 --> 01:23:58.593 that questions that a board member asked, 1501 01:24:00.304 --> 01:24:01.598 that that's part of the two minutes, 1502 01:24:01.598 --> 01:24:03.768 she said that it didn't say that. 1503 01:24:03.768 --> 01:24:05.095 But that was the intent. 1504 01:24:05.095 --> 01:24:08.273 <v ->Madam Chair, I don't think that's right.</v> 1505 01:24:08.273 --> 01:24:11.582 The intent of that language as currently written was, 1506 01:24:11.582 --> 01:24:13.432 there are times for example, 1507 01:24:13.432 --> 01:24:16.577 your text review advisors that used 1508 01:24:16.577 --> 01:24:19.119 to be expert reviewers for example 1509 01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:21.929 were considered invited testimony 1510 01:24:21.929 --> 01:24:23.992 as opposed to public testimony, 1511 01:24:23.992 --> 01:24:26.187 and this language intended to say, 1512 01:24:26.187 --> 01:24:28.712 if you have certain folks who have been invited, 1513 01:24:28.712 --> 01:24:32.540 that it wouldn't count against that 30 minutes. 1514 01:24:32.540 --> 01:24:35.134 That's what the original language, 1515 01:24:35.134 --> 01:24:38.128 this talks about 30 minutes will be allocated 1516 01:24:38.128 --> 01:24:42.206 for oral public testimony excluding questions 1517 01:24:42.206 --> 01:24:44.545 and the sentence as currently written 1518 01:24:44.545 --> 01:24:47.329 was put in there so that if you had folks, 1519 01:24:47.329 --> 01:24:49.662 like your text review committee members, 1520 01:24:49.662 --> 01:24:51.517 workgroup members, or advisors, 1521 01:24:51.517 --> 01:24:55.517 those individuals would not count against that 30 minutes. 1522 01:24:55.517 --> 01:24:58.259 So this adjustment is actually changing 1523 01:24:58.259 --> 01:25:01.926 the meaning of what was originally intended. 1524 01:25:07.209 --> 01:25:09.255 <v ->No adjustment needed.</v> 1525 01:25:09.255 --> 01:25:11.109 Yeah, just going back to the original. 1526 01:25:11.109 --> 01:25:12.714 Any objection to that? 1527 01:25:12.714 --> 01:25:14.047 Yes, Mr. Rowley. 1528 01:25:15.450 --> 01:25:16.978 <v ->Clarifying question in that regard,</v> 1529 01:25:16.978 --> 01:25:19.522 so I guess for Monica so, 1530 01:25:19.522 --> 01:25:22.189 there are currently in our rules 1531 01:25:23.065 --> 01:25:26.749 the ability or a restriction of oral public testimony 1532 01:25:26.749 --> 01:25:31.534 on any particular item to be limited to 30 minutes? 1533 01:25:31.534 --> 01:25:35.697 <v ->So your rule currently says that 30 minutes</v> 1534 01:25:35.697 --> 01:25:39.290 are to be allotted, I have not known 1535 01:25:39.290 --> 01:25:42.298 this board to ever stick to the 30 minutes, 1536 01:25:42.298 --> 01:25:44.429 but you are correct, that this rule 1537 01:25:44.429 --> 01:25:49.184 would establish 30 minutes for public testimony on an item. 1538 01:25:49.184 --> 01:25:52.844 <v ->And is that only for meetings of the full board?</v> 1539 01:25:52.844 --> 01:25:57.261 Or is it also meetings of the committee of the board? 1540 01:26:02.632 --> 01:26:04.733 So is the general meeting, is that-- 1541 01:26:04.733 --> 01:26:07.793 <v ->Yeah, it's at the beginning of each Friday meeting.</v> 1542 01:26:07.793 --> 01:26:08.884 <v Ratcliffe>Yes, Friday.</v> 1543 01:26:08.884 --> 01:26:12.568 <v ->Friday but not Tuesday or Wednesday, okay.</v> 1544 01:26:12.568 --> 01:26:14.493 <v Female Speaker>That would not apply to public hearings.</v> 1545 01:26:14.493 --> 01:26:16.743 (no audio) 1546 01:26:17.849 --> 01:26:20.692 <v ->Any other, any objections to that,</v> 1547 01:26:20.692 --> 01:26:23.545 we're withdrawing that amendment. 1548 01:26:23.545 --> 01:26:24.378 Okay. 1549 01:26:24.378 --> 01:26:25.461 Hearing none. 1550 01:26:26.741 --> 01:26:30.491 <v ->I believe the next amendment is on SBOE-12,</v> 1551 01:26:30.491 --> 01:26:33.158 and I think Mr. Maynard has one. 1552 01:26:34.072 --> 01:26:35.445 On B. 1553 01:26:35.445 --> 01:26:38.229 <v ->Madam Chair, the motion</v> 1554 01:26:38.229 --> 01:26:41.961 then is to strike established by agency officers 1555 01:26:41.961 --> 01:26:43.285 responsible for the subject matter 1556 01:26:43.285 --> 01:26:46.285 and insert set out in section 210-B. 1557 01:26:49.105 --> 01:26:50.528 I can speak to the motion. 1558 01:26:50.528 --> 01:26:51.361 <v Bahorich>Yes.</v> 1559 01:26:51.361 --> 01:26:52.578 <v ->Essentially we had a conflict in the rules</v> 1560 01:26:52.578 --> 01:26:55.774 is that on one place it said that the staff 1561 01:26:55.774 --> 01:26:58.038 basically did that and didn't we, 1562 01:26:58.038 --> 01:27:01.133 in the rules itself we had registration procedures, 1563 01:27:01.133 --> 01:27:02.420 and so we needed to strike that 1564 01:27:02.420 --> 01:27:06.263 and just reference that section of the rules. 1565 01:27:06.263 --> 01:27:09.216 <v ->This is again some clean-up.</v> 1566 01:27:09.216 --> 01:27:11.633 Any objection to that change? 1567 01:27:12.687 --> 01:27:13.770 Hearing none. 1568 01:27:15.610 --> 01:27:16.943 All right, next. 1569 01:27:19.528 --> 01:27:22.835 <v ->The next amendment is on the bottom of SBOE-12,</v> 1570 01:27:22.835 --> 01:27:26.413 it's 2.13, it deals with public comments 1571 01:27:26.413 --> 01:27:29.466 regarding proposed rule-making. 1572 01:27:29.466 --> 01:27:33.049 And Monica may want to comment on this one. 1573 01:27:35.051 --> 01:27:37.740 <v Bahorich>Yeah, Monica, why don't you bring that up?</v> 1574 01:27:37.740 --> 01:27:40.073 <v ->Yes, so the Texas register</v> 1575 01:27:41.057 --> 01:27:45.661 requires that you have a 30-day public comment period. 1576 01:27:45.661 --> 01:27:50.135 Historically, because you don't meet that frequently, 1577 01:27:50.135 --> 01:27:53.703 we continued to receive and summarize comments 1578 01:27:53.703 --> 01:27:56.637 for you all the way up to the board meeting. 1579 01:27:56.637 --> 01:27:58.393 There have been instances where this 1580 01:27:58.393 --> 01:28:01.558 has proven problematic where you get 1581 01:28:01.558 --> 01:28:04.891 very lengthy comments when we're already 1582 01:28:05.725 --> 01:28:07.576 down here in the meeting. 1583 01:28:07.576 --> 01:28:10.545 I think one of the examples that many folks remember 1584 01:28:10.545 --> 01:28:14.113 is that a multi-page document recommending 1585 01:28:14.113 --> 01:28:16.806 a variety of additional amendments 1586 01:28:16.806 --> 01:28:18.951 when you were doing science streamlining that 1587 01:28:18.951 --> 01:28:20.834 it was difficult for any of you 1588 01:28:20.834 --> 01:28:23.751 to really seriously consider and so 1589 01:28:24.618 --> 01:28:27.103 we felt like if we set out in the rule 1590 01:28:27.103 --> 01:28:30.376 and started to provide notice that there will be 1591 01:28:30.376 --> 01:28:32.663 a deadline for those comments, 1592 01:28:32.663 --> 01:28:35.838 that would enable us to be able to get all, 1593 01:28:35.838 --> 01:28:37.754 gather all that information and get it 1594 01:28:37.754 --> 01:28:40.889 to you and give you at least a little bit 1595 01:28:40.889 --> 01:28:42.097 of time to consider them before 1596 01:28:42.097 --> 01:28:45.230 you're actually sitting in the meeting. 1597 01:28:45.230 --> 01:28:48.010 It will still be more than the required 30 days, 1598 01:28:48.010 --> 01:28:50.366 and so we just felt like this would be helpful 1599 01:28:50.366 --> 01:28:52.509 for everyone because there are times 1600 01:28:52.509 --> 01:28:55.323 I'm sitting here in the meeting and comments are coming in, 1601 01:28:55.323 --> 01:28:58.725 and there's no way for us to get them to you, 1602 01:28:58.725 --> 01:29:00.605 and then I think you get feedback that, 1603 01:29:00.605 --> 01:29:03.081 well, why didn't you respond to my comment? 1604 01:29:03.081 --> 01:29:06.498 So that's the purpose of this adjustment. 1605 01:29:09.284 --> 01:29:12.059 <v ->Any other discussion on that one?</v> 1606 01:29:12.059 --> 01:29:13.281 Hearing none. 1607 01:29:13.281 --> 01:29:14.636 Amendment is adopted. 1608 01:29:14.636 --> 01:29:15.469 Next one? 1609 01:29:18.065 --> 01:29:21.315 <v ->The next is on SBOE-3, it involves G.</v> 1610 01:29:22.701 --> 01:29:27.368 And some changes I believe Dr. Ellis wanted to consider. 1611 01:29:29.082 --> 01:29:30.490 13. 1612 01:29:30.490 --> 01:29:32.387 <v ->Should be at the bottom of SBOE-13,</v> 1613 01:29:32.387 --> 01:29:37.135 and this is also a clean-up of time from way begone, 1614 01:29:37.135 --> 01:29:40.027 when we actually would need reimbursement 1615 01:29:40.027 --> 01:29:42.934 for telephone calls and for fax fees, 1616 01:29:42.934 --> 01:29:45.281 and I don't think anyone is at their hotel 1617 01:29:45.281 --> 01:29:49.448 being charged for telephone calls or for fax fees. 1618 01:29:50.389 --> 01:29:54.222 So I would recommend deletion of one and four. 1619 01:29:55.831 --> 01:29:59.045 <v ->Anyone, any more discussion on that one?</v> 1620 01:29:59.045 --> 01:30:01.514 This is kind of keeping up with the times. 1621 01:30:01.514 --> 01:30:03.115 All those in favor? 1622 01:30:03.115 --> 01:30:03.953 Say aye. 1623 01:30:03.953 --> 01:30:04.786 (multiple responses) 1624 01:30:04.786 --> 01:30:06.312 All those opposed say no. 1625 01:30:06.312 --> 01:30:09.239 Motion's adopted, all right. 1626 01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:13.156 <v ->The next amendment is on SBOE-15, it's 3.2-B.</v> 1627 01:30:14.068 --> 01:30:16.122 It's just updating the language 1628 01:30:16.122 --> 01:30:18.539 that references our division. 1629 01:30:21.660 --> 01:30:23.368 <v ->Any objection to that amendment?</v> 1630 01:30:23.368 --> 01:30:26.835 Again, a lot of clean-up this time which is good. 1631 01:30:26.835 --> 01:30:27.866 Hearing none. 1632 01:30:27.866 --> 01:30:29.616 Amendment is adopted. 1633 01:30:33.160 --> 01:30:34.493 All right, next. 1634 01:30:36.171 --> 01:30:39.088 <v ->May have an amendment on SBOE-17.</v> 1635 01:30:40.860 --> 01:30:42.193 <v Bahorich>17?</v> 1636 01:30:43.674 --> 01:30:45.767 Yes, Mr. Cortez, I think that one is you. 1637 01:30:45.767 --> 01:30:46.600 <v ->Sure.</v> 1638 01:30:46.600 --> 01:30:49.683 Yeah, I have, I do have an amendment. 1639 01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:54.250 On section 33-C, I would like to insert 1640 01:30:56.649 --> 01:31:01.463 the word charter revision and charter amendment. 1641 01:31:01.463 --> 01:31:04.293 After having spoken with, well, 1642 01:31:04.293 --> 01:31:06.083 I'd like to, we can talk about it, 1643 01:31:06.083 --> 01:31:08.998 I guess once I get a second. 1644 01:31:08.998 --> 01:31:10.812 Oh, and also on the resolutions part, 1645 01:31:10.812 --> 01:31:13.312 I want to add on number three, 1646 01:31:14.802 --> 01:31:15.963 right after application it'll say 1647 01:31:15.963 --> 01:31:18.878 comma revision and amendments. 1648 01:31:18.878 --> 01:31:20.745 The commissioner... 1649 01:31:20.745 --> 01:31:23.995 (indistinct responses) 1650 01:31:25.103 --> 01:31:26.329 Okay. 1651 01:31:26.329 --> 01:31:27.162 Sure. 1652 01:31:27.162 --> 01:31:28.363 One at a time. 1653 01:31:28.363 --> 01:31:30.154 <v Bahorich>Why don't you speak to that?</v> 1654 01:31:30.154 --> 01:31:31.231 Okay. 1655 01:31:31.231 --> 01:31:35.064 So it appears after having spoken with counsel 1656 01:31:36.612 --> 01:31:41.612 that the laws are in kind of conflict with one another. 1657 01:31:41.835 --> 01:31:45.426 But, you know, my concern has always been, 1658 01:31:45.426 --> 01:31:47.619 I bring it up at our committee often, 1659 01:31:47.619 --> 01:31:49.429 is that we're not really using 1660 01:31:49.429 --> 01:31:53.020 the full authority that's granted to us. 1661 01:31:53.020 --> 01:31:56.659 I know that the commissioner has granted 1662 01:31:56.659 --> 01:32:01.331 over 400 charter amendments in the last six years. 1663 01:32:01.331 --> 01:32:02.908 And so it's really where the growth occurs 1664 01:32:02.908 --> 01:32:07.372 is when the commissioner awards an expansion amendment 1665 01:32:07.372 --> 01:32:08.963 or student growth amendment, 1666 01:32:08.963 --> 01:32:10.415 and I'm not saying that they're unwarranted 1667 01:32:10.415 --> 01:32:11.922 or that we shouldn't do it, I'm just saying 1668 01:32:11.922 --> 01:32:16.095 that if that's part of our authority and we have it, 1669 01:32:16.095 --> 01:32:18.890 we shouldn't give it away to the commissioner, 1670 01:32:18.890 --> 01:32:22.144 we should take advantage of it and have an opportunity 1671 01:32:22.144 --> 01:32:23.558 for people to come and talk to us 1672 01:32:23.558 --> 01:32:26.995 about how it could impact their communities 1673 01:32:26.995 --> 01:32:31.341 and their neighborhoods and I think it's an opportunity 1674 01:32:31.341 --> 01:32:33.677 for us to, you know, do something 1675 01:32:33.677 --> 01:32:37.594 that the legislature took away from us as well. 1676 01:32:38.519 --> 01:32:41.873 And when they come through this amendment process, 1677 01:32:41.873 --> 01:32:44.063 they don't even post it on the TEA website, 1678 01:32:44.063 --> 01:32:47.804 I mean, it's, I've never seen it, I've looked for it. 1679 01:32:47.804 --> 01:32:49.646 I think it gives an opportunity 1680 01:32:49.646 --> 01:32:52.813 for more transparency in this process. 1681 01:32:55.080 --> 01:32:58.173 And you know, the fact that it's not even on TEA website, 1682 01:32:58.173 --> 01:33:00.393 something that is deeply concerning to me, 1683 01:33:00.393 --> 01:33:03.100 and so I think Von can, 1684 01:33:03.100 --> 01:33:05.600 or Chris can speak to the fact 1685 01:33:06.571 --> 01:33:11.488 that there's conflicting rules and so it's unclear legally. 1686 01:33:13.807 --> 01:33:16.108 But we could do this if we wanted 1687 01:33:16.108 --> 01:33:17.841 to and take back that authority 1688 01:33:17.841 --> 01:33:22.508 because the legislature needs to clean this language up. 1689 01:33:24.611 --> 01:33:27.019 <v Bahorich>Yes, I don't know Chris or Von,</v> 1690 01:33:27.019 --> 01:33:28.629 did you want to speak to this first 1691 01:33:28.629 --> 01:33:32.210 and then I will call on Mr. Rowley. 1692 01:33:32.210 --> 01:33:36.690 <v ->So you've experienced this in the past with,</v> 1693 01:33:36.690 --> 01:33:38.090 and we've had dialogs on this 1694 01:33:38.090 --> 01:33:40.948 in another section regarding the setting of standards 1695 01:33:40.948 --> 01:33:44.565 on tests, you have a section of code that describes, 1696 01:33:44.565 --> 01:33:48.106 that has a list of one through 32 items 1697 01:33:48.106 --> 01:33:51.843 of what are the powers and authorities of the state board. 1698 01:33:51.843 --> 01:33:54.875 In there it has, for instance, 1699 01:33:54.875 --> 01:33:56.638 a thing that allows the state board 1700 01:33:56.638 --> 01:33:59.419 to set the standard on assessments, 1701 01:33:59.419 --> 01:34:01.604 later on the legislature changed that. 1702 01:34:01.604 --> 01:34:04.080 In the other sections of the code 1703 01:34:04.080 --> 01:34:06.107 and removed that and we've had AG opinions 1704 01:34:06.107 --> 01:34:09.964 that have gone through that have asserted 1705 01:34:09.964 --> 01:34:11.290 that the commissioner is the one 1706 01:34:11.290 --> 01:34:14.794 that sets the standard but you still have 1707 01:34:14.794 --> 01:34:17.723 that old language that occasionally once 1708 01:34:17.723 --> 01:34:19.307 every other year or so I have 1709 01:34:19.307 --> 01:34:21.585 a conversation with someone on that. 1710 01:34:21.585 --> 01:34:23.638 Similarly, there was a time 1711 01:34:23.638 --> 01:34:24.968 when the state board was 1712 01:34:24.968 --> 01:34:27.968 the major decision body on charters. 1713 01:34:30.269 --> 01:34:33.340 And so you had that in your list of authorities. 1714 01:34:33.340 --> 01:34:35.405 And then there was legislation 1715 01:34:35.405 --> 01:34:38.901 that passed that moved that over to the commissioner. 1716 01:34:38.901 --> 01:34:43.714 But and then removed, made the state board a veto body. 1717 01:34:43.714 --> 01:34:45.964 So when that law changed, 1718 01:34:45.964 --> 01:34:49.660 it did not go back and remove the authority 1719 01:34:49.660 --> 01:34:52.993 for looking at amendments from that list 1720 01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:57.065 that I was just referencing. 1721 01:34:57.065 --> 01:34:59.355 So we have a similar situation there. 1722 01:34:59.355 --> 01:35:02.022 So you have one piece of the law 1723 01:35:03.242 --> 01:35:06.342 that seems to suggest one set of authority 1724 01:35:06.342 --> 01:35:10.175 and then in the statute that covers amendments 1725 01:35:11.455 --> 01:35:14.122 it's all commissioner authority. 1726 01:35:18.121 --> 01:35:19.965 <v ->Yes, Mr. Rowley?</v> 1727 01:35:19.965 --> 01:35:21.588 <v ->So I have a question.</v> 1728 01:35:21.588 --> 01:35:24.559 While I agree with the sentiment of the amendment, 1729 01:35:24.559 --> 01:35:26.441 I have a question with regard 1730 01:35:26.441 --> 01:35:30.487 to the language and how we go about implementing this rule. 1731 01:35:30.487 --> 01:35:33.091 Because it goes on to say that prior 1732 01:35:33.091 --> 01:35:34.970 to consideration of the charter 1733 01:35:34.970 --> 01:35:38.137 by the board under section 12.101 B-0, 1734 01:35:41.522 --> 01:35:44.189 how do we, if we are not allowed 1735 01:35:45.521 --> 01:35:48.721 to consider expansion amendments, 1736 01:35:48.721 --> 01:35:50.713 which is what we're talking about here, 1737 01:35:50.713 --> 01:35:54.213 expansion, how do we provide an evaluation 1738 01:35:55.364 --> 01:35:57.614 prior to that consideration 1739 01:35:58.452 --> 01:36:00.441 when we don't even get to consider that? 1740 01:36:00.441 --> 01:36:01.530 I just have a question, 1741 01:36:01.530 --> 01:36:03.496 if we change the language of the rule, 1742 01:36:03.496 --> 01:36:08.079 how is that interpreted, and I'll submit that to legal. 1743 01:36:09.766 --> 01:36:13.016 <v ->Actually, the citation to 12.101 B-0,</v> 1744 01:36:14.657 --> 01:36:16.824 I don't think is on point. 1745 01:36:18.434 --> 01:36:22.808 B-0 talks about the granting of a charter, not the revision. 1746 01:36:22.808 --> 01:36:24.740 What makes a lot more sense 1747 01:36:24.740 --> 01:36:27.573 is perhaps a citation to 7.102 C-9 1748 01:36:30.580 --> 01:36:33.240 that does talk about revision. 1749 01:36:33.240 --> 01:36:37.573 But there's another section that's 12.114, revision. 1750 01:36:40.167 --> 01:36:45.026 And there's a couple things to notice about the section. 1751 01:36:45.026 --> 01:36:46.932 A revision of a charter of an open enrollment 1752 01:36:46.932 --> 01:36:49.934 charter school may be made only 1753 01:36:49.934 --> 01:36:51.623 with the approval of the commissioner. 1754 01:36:51.623 --> 01:36:54.274 And then C, not later than 60th day 1755 01:36:54.274 --> 01:36:56.022 after the date that a charter holder 1756 01:36:56.022 --> 01:36:58.062 submits to the commissioner a completed request 1757 01:36:58.062 --> 01:37:00.203 for approval for an expansion amendment 1758 01:37:00.203 --> 01:37:01.709 as defined by commissioner rule 1759 01:37:01.709 --> 01:37:04.418 including a new school amendment, 1760 01:37:04.418 --> 01:37:05.764 the commissioner shall provide 1761 01:37:05.764 --> 01:37:07.354 to the charter holder written notice 1762 01:37:07.354 --> 01:37:10.515 of approval or disapproval of the amendment. 1763 01:37:10.515 --> 01:37:13.515 It seems to me that 12.114 is giving 1764 01:37:14.396 --> 01:37:16.578 the commissioner pretty much sole power 1765 01:37:16.578 --> 01:37:18.995 on the amendment or revision. 1766 01:37:20.011 --> 01:37:22.520 Now, there is certainly a bit 1767 01:37:22.520 --> 01:37:24.342 of a conflict and we don't have 1768 01:37:24.342 --> 01:37:26.819 an Attorney General opinion on that. 1769 01:37:26.819 --> 01:37:30.338 We don't have a court opinion on that. 1770 01:37:30.338 --> 01:37:34.171 But generally you will, if there's a conflict, 1771 01:37:36.249 --> 01:37:38.999 the later adopted provision holds 1772 01:37:40.948 --> 01:37:43.821 and the significant changes were made 1773 01:37:43.821 --> 01:37:46.071 to 12.114 in 2001 and 2013, 1774 01:37:49.432 --> 01:37:50.486 while the other provision 1775 01:37:50.486 --> 01:37:53.403 was pretty much the same since '95. 1776 01:37:54.391 --> 01:37:56.463 <v Rowley>So, follow-up question.</v> 1777 01:37:56.463 --> 01:37:59.051 <v ->Let me just say one thing before you do a follow-up.</v> 1778 01:37:59.051 --> 01:38:01.139 The thing that I am struggling 1779 01:38:01.139 --> 01:38:03.031 with most probably is the fact 1780 01:38:03.031 --> 01:38:05.024 that this is under the acceptance of gifts 1781 01:38:05.024 --> 01:38:08.893 and or grants for charter school evaluation. 1782 01:38:08.893 --> 01:38:10.207 That this rule change would be 1783 01:38:10.207 --> 01:38:11.976 under the acceptance of gifts, 1784 01:38:11.976 --> 01:38:14.502 and so I'm not quite understanding, 1785 01:38:14.502 --> 01:38:19.502 we wouldn't get a gift to do a charter amendment revision. 1786 01:38:19.896 --> 01:38:23.979 I mean, that's what I'm a little struggling with. 1787 01:38:28.171 --> 01:38:29.653 <v Cortez>I only added charter revision</v> 1788 01:38:29.653 --> 01:38:30.608 and charter amendment. 1789 01:38:30.608 --> 01:38:31.441 <v ->Right, but I'm saying--</v> 1790 01:38:31.441 --> 01:38:33.075 <v ->All that language is already there.</v> 1791 01:38:33.075 --> 01:38:34.656 <v ->Right.</v> <v ->I didn't touch anything.</v> 1792 01:38:34.656 --> 01:38:38.232 But I know who created this simply adding-- 1793 01:38:38.232 --> 01:38:42.670 <v ->Well, we did when, what was it, I don't know.</v> 1794 01:38:42.670 --> 01:38:44.243 It would have probably been four years ago. 1795 01:38:44.243 --> 01:38:45.315 That we did, you know, 1796 01:38:45.315 --> 01:38:46.889 on the committee on school initiatives 1797 01:38:46.889 --> 01:38:48.601 and then it was passed by the board, 1798 01:38:48.601 --> 01:38:50.838 this whole acceptance of gifts and or grants 1799 01:38:50.838 --> 01:38:52.204 for charter school evaluations 1800 01:38:52.204 --> 01:38:56.477 'cause the question was, could a foundation, 1801 01:38:56.477 --> 01:38:58.664 if they wanted us to review a charter 1802 01:38:58.664 --> 01:39:00.330 before it got approved, could they give us 1803 01:39:00.330 --> 01:39:01.456 a gift in order to do that, 1804 01:39:01.456 --> 01:39:02.583 we didn't have any rules in place. 1805 01:39:02.583 --> 01:39:05.265 These rules were passed, this is part 1806 01:39:05.265 --> 01:39:08.185 of that rule of how you would do evaluation 1807 01:39:08.185 --> 01:39:09.920 under those circumstances and so 1808 01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:11.993 I don't understand the applicability 1809 01:39:11.993 --> 01:39:14.909 of putting those particular two amendments 1810 01:39:14.909 --> 01:39:17.136 and revision in there as it applies 1811 01:39:17.136 --> 01:39:19.048 to this particular section which is 1812 01:39:19.048 --> 01:39:22.960 about accepting gifts by the board to review a charter. 1813 01:39:22.960 --> 01:39:24.466 <v ->I don't understand either, but this</v> 1814 01:39:24.466 --> 01:39:25.779 is where it has to go because 1815 01:39:25.779 --> 01:39:27.288 it says accepting of gifts 1816 01:39:27.288 --> 01:39:30.371 and or grants for charter evaluation. 1817 01:39:33.662 --> 01:39:37.781 So that's the logical place for us to put it. 1818 01:39:37.781 --> 01:39:40.047 And it seems that even though 1819 01:39:40.047 --> 01:39:44.046 some of these statutes are in conflict with one another, 1820 01:39:44.046 --> 01:39:47.046 the one that I'm citing in 7.102 C-9 1821 01:39:48.687 --> 01:39:52.084 does grant the SBOE the authority. 1822 01:39:52.084 --> 01:39:54.404 And I believe that until the legislature 1823 01:39:54.404 --> 01:39:57.984 cleans that up that we should not give up 1824 01:39:57.984 --> 01:40:00.435 our authority to the commissioner. 1825 01:40:00.435 --> 01:40:04.956 I think all of us received a letter from TASA 1826 01:40:04.956 --> 01:40:09.196 where the superintendents groups that are in town today, 1827 01:40:09.196 --> 01:40:11.285 we're gonna go see later on this afternoon 1828 01:40:11.285 --> 01:40:12.368 wrote us a letter saying, 1829 01:40:12.368 --> 01:40:14.738 hey, we're not saying don't approve these. 1830 01:40:14.738 --> 01:40:15.809 We're saying we need more time 1831 01:40:15.809 --> 01:40:16.991 when they're in our communities 1832 01:40:16.991 --> 01:40:19.282 and I think by taking this back 1833 01:40:19.282 --> 01:40:21.361 into our wheelhouse that we'll give them 1834 01:40:21.361 --> 01:40:23.682 more time to know that they're coming 1835 01:40:23.682 --> 01:40:27.311 because right now TEA does not even post them 1836 01:40:27.311 --> 01:40:29.592 on their website when they grant an expansion. 1837 01:40:29.592 --> 01:40:30.962 <v Bahorich>But what I'm saying is--</v> 1838 01:40:30.962 --> 01:40:32.592 <v ->I'm just trying to be as transparent as possible.</v> 1839 01:40:32.592 --> 01:40:34.260 <v ->Yeah, I'm trying to understand the connection, though.</v> 1840 01:40:34.260 --> 01:40:38.082 Under the gift, this evaluation only happens 1841 01:40:38.082 --> 01:40:40.306 under a gift being given. 1842 01:40:40.306 --> 01:40:41.139 And so that's why-- 1843 01:40:41.139 --> 01:40:43.306 <v Cortez>I didn't write the language, Madam Chair.</v> 1844 01:40:43.306 --> 01:40:44.139 I don't know-- 1845 01:40:44.139 --> 01:40:45.734 <v ->Madam Chair?</v> 1846 01:40:45.734 --> 01:40:48.005 If you wanted to pursue this 1847 01:40:48.005 --> 01:40:49.550 you would probably want it both 1848 01:40:49.550 --> 01:40:54.550 in the acceptance of the gift but then also on SBOE page 25. 1849 01:40:55.810 --> 01:40:59.717 Under Committee on School Initiatives item three. 1850 01:40:59.717 --> 01:41:01.419 Where it says review an evaluation 1851 01:41:01.419 --> 01:41:04.206 of charter school applications. 1852 01:41:04.206 --> 01:41:07.637 You would probably add a similar reference there. 1853 01:41:07.637 --> 01:41:10.087 <v Bahorich>Now that makes more sense.</v> 1854 01:41:10.087 --> 01:41:11.389 <v ->I wouldn't mind adding it there, too.</v> 1855 01:41:11.389 --> 01:41:13.056 If that's necessary. 1856 01:41:17.108 --> 01:41:17.941 Yeah. 1857 01:41:18.834 --> 01:41:20.466 And I have it on committee of school initiatives, 1858 01:41:20.466 --> 01:41:22.108 but we haven't gotten to that part yet. 1859 01:41:22.108 --> 01:41:24.358 You wanted to split 'em up. 1860 01:41:33.546 --> 01:41:35.046 I have it in both. 1861 01:41:39.184 --> 01:41:41.836 <v ->We're not going to get a gift to evaluate an amendment,</v> 1862 01:41:41.836 --> 01:41:43.312 so that's what I'm a little confused 1863 01:41:43.312 --> 01:41:46.674 about sticking it in there, so yes, Ms. Perez-Diaz. 1864 01:41:46.674 --> 01:41:50.083 <v ->Think it's just for clarity and consistency</v> 1865 01:41:50.083 --> 01:41:51.493 across the board as we, you know, 1866 01:41:51.493 --> 01:41:53.435 as I hope that we were able to add it 1867 01:41:53.435 --> 01:41:55.637 to the initiatives piece. 1868 01:41:55.637 --> 01:41:58.887 It reads clearly and again consistently 1869 01:41:59.793 --> 01:42:01.944 across all language that pertains 1870 01:42:01.944 --> 01:42:04.944 to the expansion of charter schools. 1871 01:42:06.307 --> 01:42:10.312 <v ->Yes, Dr. Ellis and then Ms. Perez, and then Ms. Roth.</v> 1872 01:42:10.312 --> 01:42:11.650 <v ->Question for legal.</v> 1873 01:42:11.650 --> 01:42:14.817 12.101 B-0 refers to new applications. 1874 01:42:19.228 --> 01:42:21.335 And I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, 1875 01:42:21.335 --> 01:42:26.335 are you bringing this up under the context of an amendment? 1876 01:42:26.876 --> 01:42:30.043 (indistinct response) 1877 01:42:37.902 --> 01:42:38.735 So-- 1878 01:42:38.735 --> 01:42:41.266 <v Bahorich>Yeah, fix the, we need to fix the amendment.</v> 1879 01:42:41.266 --> 01:42:43.018 <v ->Is this telling us that we have the ability</v> 1880 01:42:43.018 --> 01:42:45.018 to provide our report to 1881 01:42:47.589 --> 01:42:48.983 the Committee of School Initiatives 1882 01:42:48.983 --> 01:42:51.150 on a new charter proposal? 1883 01:42:52.428 --> 01:42:53.346 As written? 1884 01:42:53.346 --> 01:42:55.807 <v ->Under the gift, right?</v> 1885 01:42:55.807 --> 01:42:57.754 If we got a gift, we have a duty 1886 01:42:57.754 --> 01:42:59.290 to do something under a gift, 1887 01:42:59.290 --> 01:43:00.722 we have to provide an evaluation. 1888 01:43:00.722 --> 01:43:02.982 Am I not understanding this correctly? 1889 01:43:02.982 --> 01:43:04.190 <v Ellis>Does it have anything to do with--</v> 1890 01:43:04.190 --> 01:43:07.267 <v ->So I think the language that you have</v> 1891 01:43:07.267 --> 01:43:10.850 before you modifies your current procedures 1892 01:43:11.902 --> 01:43:14.217 for acceptance of a gift and it would require 1893 01:43:14.217 --> 01:43:16.238 reporting of that gift. 1894 01:43:16.238 --> 01:43:20.905 If it was in connection to review of a charter revision. 1895 01:43:21.968 --> 01:43:23.459 Or amendment. 1896 01:43:23.459 --> 01:43:25.799 I think this is part of a package 1897 01:43:25.799 --> 01:43:28.549 that the board member is offering 1898 01:43:30.790 --> 01:43:34.153 that incorporates as a whole the board 1899 01:43:34.153 --> 01:43:38.557 reviewing charter amendments and to your procedures. 1900 01:43:38.557 --> 01:43:41.224 So this is just a piece of that. 1901 01:43:43.984 --> 01:43:46.554 <v Bahorich>Yes, Mr. Rowley and then...</v> 1902 01:43:46.554 --> 01:43:50.145 (speaking indistinctly) 1903 01:43:50.145 --> 01:43:52.000 <v ->Okay, well I move to amend</v> 1904 01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:54.167 the submission by striking 1905 01:43:56.246 --> 01:43:58.996 where it says section 12.101 B-0, 1906 01:44:00.170 --> 01:44:02.837 and inserting section 7.102 C-9. 1907 01:44:10.695 --> 01:44:11.528 102 C-9. 1908 01:44:13.283 --> 01:44:16.105 If there's a second to that I'll speak to it. 1909 01:44:16.105 --> 01:44:16.938 Okay. 1910 01:44:16.938 --> 01:44:18.496 Can I speak to that just quickly? 1911 01:44:18.496 --> 01:44:20.964 Yeah, so 7.102 C-9 is where 1912 01:44:20.964 --> 01:44:24.419 we get our authority to even grant 1913 01:44:24.419 --> 01:44:27.251 a charter or actually now veto a charter, 1914 01:44:27.251 --> 01:44:28.418 so we might as well have this 1915 01:44:28.418 --> 01:44:31.168 refer to the appropriate section. 1916 01:44:42.522 --> 01:44:46.237 <v ->Okay, technically, you are amending language</v> 1917 01:44:46.237 --> 01:44:48.148 that does not touch, think of it 1918 01:44:48.148 --> 01:44:50.696 like three year olds who don't want their food 1919 01:44:50.696 --> 01:44:54.412 to touch, you always want your secondary amendment 1920 01:44:54.412 --> 01:44:56.486 to touch the primary amendment. 1921 01:44:56.486 --> 01:44:59.569 If it doesn't touch, then it's either 1922 01:45:00.641 --> 01:45:04.058 out of order or you can without objection 1923 01:45:05.150 --> 01:45:08.186 take up a non-touching amendment. 1924 01:45:08.186 --> 01:45:10.269 Does that make sense? 1925 01:45:10.269 --> 01:45:12.126 <v Rowley>Like to mix all my food together to eat it.</v> 1926 01:45:12.126 --> 01:45:13.859 <v ->I understand, but that's because</v> 1927 01:45:13.859 --> 01:45:15.733 you're more evolved than a three-year-old. 1928 01:45:15.733 --> 01:45:16.932 (laughter) 1929 01:45:16.932 --> 01:45:21.015 <v Rowley>Thank you for that, I appreciate that.</v> 1930 01:45:22.096 --> 01:45:23.564 <v Bahorich>So to be clear,</v> 1931 01:45:23.564 --> 01:45:26.231 Mr. Rowley, you want to change-- 1932 01:45:27.295 --> 01:45:29.950 <v ->It needs to be no objection to that--</v> 1933 01:45:29.950 --> 01:45:30.783 <v Bahorich>Right, but I mean,</v> 1934 01:45:30.783 --> 01:45:31.990 you're adding, let's make sure 1935 01:45:31.990 --> 01:45:34.088 that we say exactly what the-- 1936 01:45:34.088 --> 01:45:37.005 <v ->7.102 C-9 in place of 12.101 B-0.</v> 1937 01:45:40.110 --> 01:45:42.917 <v ->Is there any objection to making that clarification?</v> 1938 01:45:42.917 --> 01:45:43.750 Hearing none. 1939 01:45:43.750 --> 01:45:44.583 Okay. 1940 01:45:46.225 --> 01:45:47.258 All right. 1941 01:45:47.258 --> 01:45:48.274 Yes? 1942 01:45:48.274 --> 01:45:51.614 <v Cortez>So does that help, legal?</v> 1943 01:45:51.614 --> 01:45:53.110 I mean, does that clean it up, 1944 01:45:53.110 --> 01:45:55.105 'cause I know we had a lot of conversations about this-- 1945 01:45:55.105 --> 01:45:57.462 <v ->What you've done is you've now referenced it</v> 1946 01:45:57.462 --> 01:46:00.295 to a section that says you approve 1947 01:46:02.703 --> 01:46:06.786 charter applications which I would say you don't, 1948 01:46:08.260 --> 01:46:11.413 under chapter 12 the commissioner does. 1949 01:46:11.413 --> 01:46:15.163 And that you approve revisions to amendments. 1950 01:46:16.005 --> 01:46:19.208 So it is the more appropriate citation 1951 01:46:19.208 --> 01:46:22.154 for what you are pursuing, 1952 01:46:22.154 --> 01:46:23.469 I just have to warn you 1953 01:46:23.469 --> 01:46:26.719 that I think that citation is outdated. 1954 01:46:28.078 --> 01:46:28.911 And-- 1955 01:46:29.811 --> 01:46:30.644 <v Cortez>It's there.</v> 1956 01:46:30.644 --> 01:46:31.908 <v ->I would also have to,</v> 1957 01:46:31.908 --> 01:46:34.991 I should also tell you that now I am, 1958 01:46:36.435 --> 01:46:39.935 we may be less than your best legal advice 1959 01:46:41.310 --> 01:46:43.735 since we work for the commissioner 1960 01:46:43.735 --> 01:46:47.402 and you are currently discussing a provision 1961 01:46:48.427 --> 01:46:50.844 that argues you're different. 1962 01:46:53.077 --> 01:46:56.232 So with that, as long as you understand, 1963 01:46:56.232 --> 01:46:57.832 I will continue to provide you advice 1964 01:46:57.832 --> 01:47:00.429 if you want to continue to hear from me, 1965 01:47:00.429 --> 01:47:02.675 but on this I will point out 1966 01:47:02.675 --> 01:47:05.343 that I work for the commissioner 1967 01:47:05.343 --> 01:47:08.562 and what you're pursuing is a challenge 1968 01:47:08.562 --> 01:47:11.468 versus your two different authorities. 1969 01:47:11.468 --> 01:47:13.634 <v Cortez>So Von, but I'm--</v> 1970 01:47:13.634 --> 01:47:14.794 <v ->Well, yeah, I mean, you just may,</v> 1971 01:47:14.794 --> 01:47:17.211 like I think the member here. 1972 01:47:18.339 --> 01:47:21.717 <v ->I'm only referring to revisions and amendments,</v> 1973 01:47:21.717 --> 01:47:23.737 not new charters, I understand what our role 1974 01:47:23.737 --> 01:47:27.100 is on the new charter and we only have the veto authority. 1975 01:47:27.100 --> 01:47:30.393 But it seems broad, it seems that we have 1976 01:47:30.393 --> 01:47:33.355 that authority in 102 C-9. 1977 01:47:33.355 --> 01:47:34.188 So-- 1978 01:47:34.188 --> 01:47:36.438 <v ->The citation to 7.102 C-9</v> 1979 01:47:38.443 --> 01:47:40.883 includes two things of authority, 1980 01:47:40.883 --> 01:47:44.896 the board may grant an open enrollment charter 1981 01:47:44.896 --> 01:47:48.083 or approve a charter revision. 1982 01:47:48.083 --> 01:47:52.019 So it references two lines of authority, the first one-- 1983 01:47:52.019 --> 01:47:53.769 <v Cortez>Which one?</v> 1984 01:47:56.393 --> 01:47:59.810 <v ->Here's the citation for it, right here.</v> 1985 01:48:01.441 --> 01:48:02.733 <v Bahorich>Go ahead, Von, sorry.</v> 1986 01:48:02.733 --> 01:48:04.233 <v ->Oh, no, I was...</v> 1987 01:48:05.886 --> 01:48:07.124 <v Bahorich>Oh, you finished?</v> 1988 01:48:07.124 --> 01:48:07.957 Oh. 1989 01:48:10.895 --> 01:48:13.791 <v ->So I understand Von's point,</v> 1990 01:48:13.791 --> 01:48:17.205 I guess what I want to understand better is, 1991 01:48:17.205 --> 01:48:18.983 so I'm looking at the Texas Education Code 1992 01:48:18.983 --> 01:48:21.369 where it reads, does this mean, 1993 01:48:21.369 --> 01:48:23.540 I mean, so I guess this, essentially 1994 01:48:23.540 --> 01:48:25.889 the Texas Education Code is outdated. 1995 01:48:25.889 --> 01:48:28.571 It needs to be updated. 1996 01:48:28.571 --> 01:48:31.404 And so who, where can we fix that? 1997 01:48:32.843 --> 01:48:33.926 Okay. 1998 01:48:33.926 --> 01:48:35.974 <v ->Yeah, the legislature can fix it,</v> 1999 01:48:35.974 --> 01:48:38.505 what you would see similar 2000 01:48:38.505 --> 01:48:41.588 if you look at section C-5 and 7.102, 2001 01:48:43.471 --> 01:48:48.471 this was, the analogy I was using to another experience 2002 01:48:48.483 --> 01:48:50.839 that you'd had is that at one time 2003 01:48:50.839 --> 01:48:54.703 this board set the passing standard on tests, 2004 01:48:54.703 --> 01:48:57.263 the legislature changed that in chapter 39 2005 01:48:57.263 --> 01:48:59.087 and gave that to the commissioner, 2006 01:48:59.087 --> 01:49:01.360 didn't repeal this reference, 2007 01:49:01.360 --> 01:49:03.534 and then we had an AG opinion that came down 2008 01:49:03.534 --> 01:49:07.034 and decided no, as Maska had said earlier, 2009 01:49:08.011 --> 01:49:11.392 the later in law, when in conflict, 2010 01:49:11.392 --> 01:49:14.952 the later one passed is the one that rules. 2011 01:49:14.952 --> 01:49:18.535 So using that same analogy, you would have, 2012 01:49:20.328 --> 01:49:23.283 the legislature has said the board doesn't approve 2013 01:49:23.283 --> 01:49:27.114 but has a veto authority and that the board, 2014 01:49:27.114 --> 01:49:28.829 that the commissioner is the one that approves 2015 01:49:28.829 --> 01:49:30.564 revisions to charters. 2016 01:49:30.564 --> 01:49:33.647 And they did not change this section. 2017 01:49:40.948 --> 01:49:43.280 <v ->Okay, so if I may speak in favor</v> 2018 01:49:43.280 --> 01:49:45.530 of my colleague's proposal, 2019 01:49:47.373 --> 01:49:51.515 primarily because right now if an ISD wants to expand, 2020 01:49:51.515 --> 01:49:53.176 they have to pass a bond and there's plenty, 2021 01:49:53.176 --> 01:49:55.901 there's the time and opportunity for taxpayers 2022 01:49:55.901 --> 01:49:58.486 to go before their trustees to speak 2023 01:49:58.486 --> 01:50:02.059 for or against the agreement to increase their taxes, 2024 01:50:02.059 --> 01:50:03.916 pass a bond for new buildings. 2025 01:50:03.916 --> 01:50:07.908 However, when we're talking about the expansion of charters, 2026 01:50:07.908 --> 01:50:10.006 the minimal and only requirement 2027 01:50:10.006 --> 01:50:12.391 is an impact statement that trustees review, 2028 01:50:12.391 --> 01:50:14.146 but that there is nothing that can be 2029 01:50:14.146 --> 01:50:15.756 actually be done about that. 2030 01:50:15.756 --> 01:50:19.289 When we're talking about this revision, 2031 01:50:19.289 --> 01:50:21.630 which would include expansion, 2032 01:50:21.630 --> 01:50:24.504 this does require the posting, 2033 01:50:24.504 --> 01:50:26.685 this does give notice to the public, 2034 01:50:26.685 --> 01:50:28.796 this does give the public an opportunity 2035 01:50:28.796 --> 01:50:32.945 to speak for or against and as it currently stands, 2036 01:50:32.945 --> 01:50:35.567 public does not have that opportunity. 2037 01:50:35.567 --> 01:50:37.303 It's simply forced upon them, 2038 01:50:37.303 --> 01:50:39.101 we're hijacking their tax dollars 2039 01:50:39.101 --> 01:50:41.355 and they have absolutely no representation. 2040 01:50:41.355 --> 01:50:43.631 This amendment would give them 2041 01:50:43.631 --> 01:50:45.992 at the very least an opportunity 2042 01:50:45.992 --> 01:50:48.229 to represent their best interest. 2043 01:50:48.229 --> 01:50:51.396 And we have taken that away from them. 2044 01:51:09.300 --> 01:51:10.682 <v ->Yeah, and Ms. Perez-Diaz, you know,</v> 2045 01:51:10.682 --> 01:51:12.506 when you talk about the ability to be able 2046 01:51:12.506 --> 01:51:15.260 to take out and clean it up, when Mr. Byer 2047 01:51:15.260 --> 01:51:17.187 mentioned the other, the cut scores, 2048 01:51:17.187 --> 01:51:19.224 I was one who brought up that question and I think, 2049 01:51:19.224 --> 01:51:22.078 and I asked the same question, why don't we clean this up? 2050 01:51:22.078 --> 01:51:24.122 But correct me Mr. Byer if I'm wrong, 2051 01:51:24.122 --> 01:51:25.514 just like when we do a teacher revision, 2052 01:51:25.514 --> 01:51:28.149 if we open up this chapter for revision, 2053 01:51:28.149 --> 01:51:30.041 we may just want to be cleaning up these two things 2054 01:51:30.041 --> 01:51:31.215 but there's no promise that someone 2055 01:51:31.215 --> 01:51:34.281 in the legislature might want to clean off 2056 01:51:34.281 --> 01:51:36.197 a few other things with that. 2057 01:51:36.197 --> 01:51:37.182 Now-- 2058 01:51:37.182 --> 01:51:38.883 (laughter) 2059 01:51:38.883 --> 01:51:39.716 You open the barn door, 2060 01:51:39.716 --> 01:51:42.498 and let a few things out and a few can come in also. 2061 01:51:42.498 --> 01:51:44.078 So if I understand right, 2062 01:51:44.078 --> 01:51:45.153 I think what the purpose is is 2063 01:51:45.153 --> 01:51:48.362 we're wanting input to the commissioner 2064 01:51:48.362 --> 01:51:50.133 on charter revisions which 2065 01:51:50.133 --> 01:51:52.536 we don't have any authority on that we're hearing. 2066 01:51:52.536 --> 01:51:54.974 Would it be appropriate for this body 2067 01:51:54.974 --> 01:51:58.308 to have a communication with the commissioner 2068 01:51:58.308 --> 01:51:59.705 to find out if there's an avenue 2069 01:51:59.705 --> 01:52:04.705 where he would accept feedback from this board, what's that? 2070 01:52:06.666 --> 01:52:09.795 It's the avenue that doesn't exist, I think currently. 2071 01:52:09.795 --> 01:52:11.759 But to take a true avenue, an avenue that would, 2072 01:52:11.759 --> 01:52:13.716 you know, if he would be open to that, 2073 01:52:13.716 --> 01:52:15.770 to say that we would like to have input 2074 01:52:15.770 --> 01:52:18.362 on the front end, on the back end veto, 2075 01:52:18.362 --> 01:52:21.041 and he may or may not be open to that, 2076 01:52:21.041 --> 01:52:22.241 but to have a discussion to set up 2077 01:52:22.241 --> 01:52:25.908 a path of what my colleague is recommending. 2078 01:52:29.028 --> 01:52:32.036 <v ->Yeah, so you certainly could work</v> 2079 01:52:32.036 --> 01:52:34.196 with the commissioner depending upon how 2080 01:52:34.196 --> 01:52:38.266 he would like to do that, could set up a process. 2081 01:52:38.266 --> 01:52:40.741 I would just remind you under his authority 2082 01:52:40.741 --> 01:52:44.491 in 12.114, he has 60 days to make a decision. 2083 01:52:45.579 --> 01:52:49.585 So whether that lines up with an ability 2084 01:52:49.585 --> 01:52:54.585 to get feedback from you based upon your meeting schedules, 2085 01:52:55.029 --> 01:52:58.199 would depend throughout the year. 2086 01:52:58.199 --> 01:52:59.032 So. 2087 01:53:02.452 --> 01:53:06.059 <v ->I do want to make sure that it is posted,</v> 2088 01:53:06.059 --> 01:53:08.367 actually, the amendments and revisions, 2089 01:53:08.367 --> 01:53:10.720 I think Heather's back here, 2090 01:53:10.720 --> 01:53:11.662 Heather, how do we find it, 2091 01:53:11.662 --> 01:53:14.277 is it under the charter school, where is that? 2092 01:53:14.277 --> 01:53:16.911 The charter amendments and revisions? 2093 01:53:16.911 --> 01:53:18.292 <v Heather>Madam Chair, I've got it pulled up.</v> 2094 01:53:18.292 --> 01:53:19.125 <v ->Okay.</v> 2095 01:53:19.125 --> 01:53:21.958 <v ->It's on the charter school page,</v> 2096 01:53:23.497 --> 01:53:25.747 down under other resources, 2097 01:53:27.692 --> 01:53:29.059 there's a link for applications, 2098 01:53:29.059 --> 01:53:31.492 amendments, and boundaries, and when you click on that 2099 01:53:31.492 --> 01:53:33.253 it shows every charter 2100 01:53:33.253 --> 01:53:36.421 and then all of the various documents. 2101 01:53:36.421 --> 01:53:37.750 <v ->Okay.</v> 2102 01:53:37.750 --> 01:53:38.583 So I just want to make sure 2103 01:53:38.583 --> 01:53:40.675 that there is public notice about that. 2104 01:53:40.675 --> 01:53:42.973 So I just want to make sure that folks knew 2105 01:53:42.973 --> 01:53:45.380 that you could, it is on the website. 2106 01:53:45.380 --> 01:53:47.144 I think Ms. Cargill, and then Ms.- yeah. 2107 01:53:47.144 --> 01:53:49.809 <v ->No, I just want to reiterate what Dr. Ellis said,</v> 2108 01:53:49.809 --> 01:53:52.947 I mean, we can't vote to have authority 2109 01:53:52.947 --> 01:53:54.775 on something over which we have no authority. 2110 01:53:54.775 --> 01:53:56.168 That just doesn't make any sense. 2111 01:53:56.168 --> 01:53:59.710 And we're putting the agency in a bind of, 2112 01:53:59.710 --> 01:54:00.757 you know, like you said you're speaking 2113 01:54:00.757 --> 01:54:02.136 for the commissioner and such, 2114 01:54:02.136 --> 01:54:03.800 but I think it'd be a great idea 2115 01:54:03.800 --> 01:54:05.379 to have a discussion with the commissioner 2116 01:54:05.379 --> 01:54:09.005 about different avenues so that the public can be heard. 2117 01:54:09.005 --> 01:54:10.463 Like Ms. Perez said. 2118 01:54:10.463 --> 01:54:11.898 So. 2119 01:54:11.898 --> 01:54:13.231 I can't vote for something over which 2120 01:54:13.231 --> 01:54:14.855 we have no authority in the fir-- 2121 01:54:14.855 --> 01:54:17.105 (no audio) 2122 01:54:20.385 --> 01:54:22.006 <v ->Well, the problem with that</v> 2123 01:54:22.006 --> 01:54:23.616 or the issue that I have with that 2124 01:54:23.616 --> 01:54:24.886 is that amendments are posted 2125 01:54:24.886 --> 01:54:26.274 after they're approved, 2126 01:54:26.274 --> 01:54:28.714 so where is the opportunity for public comment? 2127 01:54:28.714 --> 01:54:30.617 Where is the opportunity for taxpayers 2128 01:54:30.617 --> 01:54:32.416 to come in and voice their concerns? 2129 01:54:32.416 --> 01:54:36.579 Whether their concerns are in support or not? 2130 01:54:36.579 --> 01:54:38.552 They are simply not given the opportunity 2131 01:54:38.552 --> 01:54:42.227 to hear the discussion, to be part of the discussion, 2132 01:54:42.227 --> 01:54:45.329 to speak for, there's absolutely no representation. 2133 01:54:45.329 --> 01:54:48.248 And it's one thing to say that it's posted on the page, 2134 01:54:48.248 --> 01:54:50.410 but it's quite another to say it's only posted 2135 01:54:50.410 --> 01:54:52.173 after they've been approved. 2136 01:54:52.173 --> 01:54:53.281 So once again, we're going back 2137 01:54:53.281 --> 01:54:55.671 to the taxation without representation, 2138 01:54:55.671 --> 01:54:57.932 we're not even allowing them to know about it 2139 01:54:57.932 --> 01:55:00.435 in advance and telling them when it's going 2140 01:55:00.435 --> 01:55:02.097 to be heard and giving them the opportunity 2141 01:55:02.097 --> 01:55:03.724 to speak for or against. 2142 01:55:03.724 --> 01:55:06.609 We're simply telling them thank you for your tax dollars, 2143 01:55:06.609 --> 01:55:09.609 this is how we're going to use them. 2144 01:55:12.738 --> 01:55:14.143 <v ->Yes.</v> 2145 01:55:14.143 --> 01:55:17.060 <v ->And if I could add, in 7.102 C-9,</v> 2146 01:55:18.204 --> 01:55:19.883 it does give us authority. 2147 01:55:19.883 --> 01:55:21.966 But in 12.114 it doesn't. 2148 01:55:24.272 --> 01:55:26.772 But on the 102, it talks about 2149 01:55:28.661 --> 01:55:31.418 new charter and charter revision. 2150 01:55:31.418 --> 01:55:34.251 On 114, it talks about new charter 2151 01:55:35.681 --> 01:55:38.348 and we only have veto authority. 2152 01:55:39.626 --> 01:55:42.056 While they both come together, 2153 01:55:42.056 --> 01:55:44.723 my new language is only specific 2154 01:55:45.981 --> 01:55:48.814 to the revision and the amendment, 2155 01:55:50.031 --> 01:55:51.509 because I understand that we only have 2156 01:55:51.509 --> 01:55:53.342 veto authority on 114. 2157 01:55:54.658 --> 01:55:56.890 So I'm trying to be as clear as possible 2158 01:55:56.890 --> 01:55:59.435 because I understand what the language 2159 01:55:59.435 --> 01:56:01.871 in the other section says. 2160 01:56:01.871 --> 01:56:03.958 But until the legislature cleans it up, 2161 01:56:03.958 --> 01:56:06.671 I believe that we do have that authority. 2162 01:56:06.671 --> 01:56:09.185 And they haven't disagreed other than to say 2163 01:56:09.185 --> 01:56:12.621 if you do this, you know, we put ourselves 2164 01:56:12.621 --> 01:56:14.751 in conflict with one another perhaps. 2165 01:56:14.751 --> 01:56:17.162 When we're having these conversations. 2166 01:56:17.162 --> 01:56:20.210 But that doesn't mean that we are not allowed to. 2167 01:56:20.210 --> 01:56:22.420 And so long as it is our authority, 2168 01:56:22.420 --> 01:56:24.247 we should not be giving up more 2169 01:56:24.247 --> 01:56:26.725 of our authority to anybody else. 2170 01:56:26.725 --> 01:56:28.804 When we're always fighting for additional authority 2171 01:56:28.804 --> 01:56:31.690 and somehow we get stripped of this authority. 2172 01:56:31.690 --> 01:56:35.857 We have an opportunity to take it back, we should. 2173 01:56:38.908 --> 01:56:43.190 <v ->Let's go ahead and vote on that amendment and--</v> 2174 01:56:43.190 --> 01:56:44.588 Roll call? 2175 01:56:44.588 --> 01:56:45.575 Yes. 2176 01:56:45.575 --> 01:56:47.244 We can do that. 2177 01:56:47.244 --> 01:56:50.661 So on the evaluation of charter revision, 2178 01:56:51.546 --> 01:56:53.837 adding the language charter revisions 2179 01:56:53.837 --> 01:56:58.837 or charter amendment to 3.3-C under the acceptance of gifts 2180 01:56:59.217 --> 01:57:03.104 and grants for charter school evaluation, 2181 01:57:03.104 --> 01:57:06.221 and go ahead and, I don't know who's reading roll call. 2182 01:57:06.221 --> 01:57:07.054 <v Ratcliffe>I can do that.</v> 2183 01:57:07.054 --> 01:57:08.011 <v ->Okay, Debbie.</v> 2184 01:57:08.011 --> 01:57:08.928 <v ->Ms Perez?</v> 2185 01:57:10.988 --> 01:57:12.985 <v Perez>Yes, I vote in favor...</v> 2186 01:57:12.985 --> 01:57:14.531 <v ->Mr. Cortez?</v> 2187 01:57:14.531 --> 01:57:15.364 <v Cortez>Yes.</v> 2188 01:57:15.364 --> 01:57:16.553 <v ->Ms. Perez-Diaz?</v> 2189 01:57:16.553 --> 01:57:18.072 <v Perez-Diaz>Yes.</v> 2190 01:57:18.072 --> 01:57:19.166 <v ->Mr. Allen?</v> 2191 01:57:19.166 --> 01:57:20.273 <v Allen>Yes.</v> 2192 01:57:20.273 --> 01:57:21.902 <v ->Mr. Mercer?</v> 2193 01:57:21.902 --> 01:57:23.069 <v Mercer>No.</v> 2194 01:57:24.063 --> 01:57:25.313 <v ->Ms. Bahorich?</v> 2195 01:57:26.491 --> 01:57:28.385 <v Bahorich>No.</v> 2196 01:57:28.385 --> 01:57:29.729 <v ->Dr. Robinson?</v> 2197 01:57:29.729 --> 01:57:31.454 <v Robinson>Yes.</v> 2198 01:57:31.454 --> 01:57:32.513 <v ->Ms. Cargill?</v> 2199 01:57:32.513 --> 01:57:33.710 <v Cargill>No.</v> 2200 01:57:33.710 --> 01:57:34.814 <v ->Dr. Ellis?</v> 2201 01:57:34.814 --> 01:57:36.546 <v Ellis>No.</v> 2202 01:57:36.546 --> 01:57:37.691 <v ->Mr. Maynard?</v> 2203 01:57:37.691 --> 01:57:39.707 <v Maynard>No.</v> 2204 01:57:39.707 --> 01:57:40.702 <v ->Ms. Hardy?</v> 2205 01:57:40.702 --> 01:57:42.139 <v Hardy>No.</v> 2206 01:57:42.139 --> 01:57:43.102 <v ->Ms. Little?</v> 2207 01:57:43.102 --> 01:57:44.725 <v Little>No.</v> 2208 01:57:44.725 --> 01:57:45.754 <v ->Ms. Davis?</v> 2209 01:57:45.754 --> 01:57:47.458 <v Davis>Yes.</v> 2210 01:57:47.458 --> 01:57:49.010 <v ->Ms. Melton-Malone?</v> 2211 01:57:49.010 --> 01:57:50.473 <v Melton-Malone>No.</v> 2212 01:57:50.473 --> 01:57:51.487 <v ->And Mr. Rowley?</v> 2213 01:57:51.487 --> 01:57:52.737 <v Rowley>Yes.</v> 2214 01:57:57.137 --> 01:57:59.220 <v ->Seven yes and eight no.</v> 2215 01:58:01.217 --> 01:58:02.050 Nos. 2216 01:58:08.885 --> 01:58:11.002 <v ->Now what's the next one?</v> 2217 01:58:11.002 --> 01:58:13.756 <v ->And we're down to our last four or five amendments.</v> 2218 01:58:13.756 --> 01:58:14.964 <v Bahorich>Okay, right.</v> 2219 01:58:14.964 --> 01:58:18.205 <v ->And just to give you a time check, it's now 1:52.</v> 2220 01:58:18.205 --> 01:58:20.249 <v ->Yeah, so we need to...</v> 2221 01:58:20.249 --> 01:58:25.249 I think the rest of them were just clean-up things, right? 2222 01:58:25.581 --> 01:58:26.414 <v Ratcliffe>Yes.</v> 2223 01:58:26.414 --> 01:58:28.143 I would say so. 2224 01:58:28.143 --> 01:58:29.727 <v ->Where, what's the next one?</v> 2225 01:58:29.727 --> 01:58:32.144 <v ->The next one is on SBOE-21,</v> 2226 01:58:33.219 --> 01:58:35.704 where we've suggested striking the phrase 2227 01:58:35.704 --> 01:58:39.280 mandatory 30 days because that's a phrase 2228 01:58:39.280 --> 01:58:41.678 I'm told is technically not accurate 2229 01:58:41.678 --> 01:58:44.403 the way it's used there. 2230 01:58:44.403 --> 01:58:46.021 <v ->Any objection?</v> 2231 01:58:46.021 --> 01:58:47.104 Hearing none. 2232 01:58:48.662 --> 01:58:49.953 All right, next. 2233 01:58:49.953 --> 01:58:52.370 <v ->The next one is on SBOE-23,</v> 2234 01:58:54.687 --> 01:58:58.687 and this deals with when the proposed amendments 2235 01:59:00.271 --> 01:59:03.921 to TEKS come in on second reading. 2236 01:59:03.921 --> 01:59:06.478 You know, we have a rule that 2237 01:59:06.478 --> 01:59:08.219 where you turn them in early so the public 2238 01:59:08.219 --> 01:59:10.421 has a chance to look at them, 2239 01:59:10.421 --> 01:59:12.523 the deadline is a little tricky 2240 01:59:12.523 --> 01:59:14.183 because it's five p.m. or two hours 2241 01:59:14.183 --> 01:59:16.768 following the adjournment, 2242 01:59:16.768 --> 01:59:20.762 we're suggesting just a cleaner new deadline 2243 01:59:20.762 --> 01:59:23.560 because when those get posted to the website 2244 01:59:23.560 --> 01:59:26.277 it involves three different divisions of the agency. 2245 01:59:26.277 --> 01:59:28.604 So we're trying to coordinate with a lot of people 2246 01:59:28.604 --> 01:59:31.634 after hours to post those whereas 2247 01:59:31.634 --> 01:59:35.003 if it was a noon deadline it'd be simpler 2248 01:59:35.003 --> 01:59:39.974 and typically you have your amendments ready by then. 2249 01:59:39.974 --> 01:59:41.506 <v ->Any objection to moving that back</v> 2250 01:59:41.506 --> 01:59:45.939 so we don't have to involve so many departments after hours? 2251 01:59:45.939 --> 01:59:47.003 Hearing none. 2252 01:59:47.003 --> 01:59:47.871 <v Perez>I have a question.</v> 2253 01:59:47.871 --> 01:59:48.704 <v ->Yes.</v> 2254 01:59:48.704 --> 01:59:49.829 Yeah, yeah. 2255 01:59:49.829 --> 01:59:53.718 <v ->Okay, so, when Ms. Hardy and I were working</v> 2256 01:59:53.718 --> 01:59:57.635 on many social studies streamlining amendments, 2257 01:59:59.467 --> 02:00:03.134 that was in response to our Tuesday meeting, 2258 02:00:04.161 --> 02:00:06.578 and after our vote on Tuesday 2259 02:00:07.604 --> 02:00:11.024 we received several public comments 2260 02:00:11.024 --> 02:00:13.341 about this is in conflict with that, 2261 02:00:13.341 --> 02:00:14.504 this would clean up this, 2262 02:00:14.504 --> 02:00:16.975 this would be a better streamlining, et cetera. 2263 02:00:16.975 --> 02:00:20.642 Personally, I was sending things at 4:59.59, 2264 02:00:22.339 --> 02:00:24.747 at the very last second. 2265 02:00:24.747 --> 02:00:28.394 Voting in favor of something like this would have, 2266 02:00:28.394 --> 02:00:31.751 would eliminate the ability to do that or it would not? 2267 02:00:31.751 --> 02:00:35.060 <v ->No ma'am, so if you think about the way</v> 2268 02:00:35.060 --> 02:00:37.559 your meetings are scheduled and recognizing 2269 02:00:37.559 --> 02:00:41.357 that you might do something differently, 2270 02:00:41.357 --> 02:00:43.188 the day before the final vote 2271 02:00:43.188 --> 02:00:46.458 is when you have your other committees. 2272 02:00:46.458 --> 02:00:49.271 So what you just described, you actually needed 2273 02:00:49.271 --> 02:00:51.487 to get those amendments into us sooner, 2274 02:00:51.487 --> 02:00:53.103 what we're saying is this would essentially 2275 02:00:53.103 --> 02:00:57.360 say everything would be in by noon on Thursday 2276 02:00:57.360 --> 02:00:59.812 when presumably you would have had Committee 2277 02:00:59.812 --> 02:01:03.435 of the Full Board on Tuesday or Wednesday, 2278 02:01:03.435 --> 02:01:06.736 so actually I think gives you more time 2279 02:01:06.736 --> 02:01:09.319 and it makes it possible for us 2280 02:01:10.375 --> 02:01:12.214 during the workday on Thursday 2281 02:01:12.214 --> 02:01:14.022 to get that information posted so that 2282 02:01:14.022 --> 02:01:16.885 by the time everybody gets here on Friday 2283 02:01:16.885 --> 02:01:18.437 there would have been an opportunity 2284 02:01:18.437 --> 02:01:19.703 for folks to review anything 2285 02:01:19.703 --> 02:01:21.139 that you were going to consider. 2286 02:01:21.139 --> 02:01:23.588 So I think originally we were trying 2287 02:01:23.588 --> 02:01:27.765 to account for a variety of possibilities 2288 02:01:27.765 --> 02:01:31.669 and then we got ourselves a little bit confused 2289 02:01:31.669 --> 02:01:33.939 about what this language really meant. 2290 02:01:33.939 --> 02:01:37.153 And so when we just took a step back to think about it, 2291 02:01:37.153 --> 02:01:39.567 noon on Thursday seems reasonable 2292 02:01:39.567 --> 02:01:43.479 because I think there have been a couple of instances 2293 02:01:43.479 --> 02:01:44.906 where you might have carried over 2294 02:01:44.906 --> 02:01:48.300 into a Thursday but that's very rare. 2295 02:01:48.300 --> 02:01:49.133 <v Maynard>Madam Chair.</v> 2296 02:01:49.133 --> 02:01:50.248 <v Bahorich>Yes, Mr. Maynard?</v> 2297 02:01:50.248 --> 02:01:51.233 <v ->And just a clarification,</v> 2298 02:01:51.233 --> 02:01:54.658 when that particular rule was written, 2299 02:01:54.658 --> 02:01:56.766 we used to have our other committee meetings 2300 02:01:56.766 --> 02:01:58.328 earlier in the week and then we did 2301 02:01:58.328 --> 02:02:01.192 the Committee of the Full Board on Thursday. 2302 02:02:01.192 --> 02:02:02.025 <v Bahorich>Right.</v> 2303 02:02:02.025 --> 02:02:03.202 <v ->So it was kind of written with that in mind.</v> 2304 02:02:03.202 --> 02:02:04.035 <v Bahorich>With that in mind.</v> 2305 02:02:04.035 --> 02:02:06.688 <v ->But then when we changed our meeting schedule,</v> 2306 02:02:06.688 --> 02:02:09.629 it kind of fouled that one up just a tad. 2307 02:02:09.629 --> 02:02:10.462 <v ->Yeah.</v> 2308 02:02:10.462 --> 02:02:11.399 So there's just, the bottom line 2309 02:02:11.399 --> 02:02:13.964 is we're trying not to have to involve staff 2310 02:02:13.964 --> 02:02:16.501 after hours when we can turn this 2311 02:02:16.501 --> 02:02:20.306 in on noon before the second and final vote. 2312 02:02:20.306 --> 02:02:21.738 Any other comments? 2313 02:02:21.738 --> 02:02:23.079 Yes, Ms. Cargill? 2314 02:02:23.079 --> 02:02:26.776 <v ->I just want to say something in response to Ms. Perez.</v> 2315 02:02:26.776 --> 02:02:28.991 Or not in response but, 2316 02:02:28.991 --> 02:02:31.236 so let's say we have a very late meeting on Wednesday, 2317 02:02:31.236 --> 02:02:33.735 this happened with the social studies. 2318 02:02:33.735 --> 02:02:35.843 The first opportunity, and then you know, 2319 02:02:35.843 --> 02:02:38.503 we have our committee meetings on Thursday. 2320 02:02:38.503 --> 02:02:39.687 And I can't stay up 'til three 2321 02:02:39.687 --> 02:02:43.244 like some of you spring chickens can with a full brain. 2322 02:02:43.244 --> 02:02:44.824 So really the first chance we had to work 2323 02:02:44.824 --> 02:02:46.127 on those amendments from the public 2324 02:02:46.127 --> 02:02:48.399 was Thursday afternoon after our committee meeting, 2325 02:02:48.399 --> 02:02:50.232 so now that goes away. 2326 02:02:52.435 --> 02:02:53.309 I know but this would go away, 2327 02:02:53.309 --> 02:02:56.309 'cause they'd have to be in by noon. 2328 02:02:58.136 --> 02:03:02.300 <v ->So it wouldn't, depending on your consideration</v> 2329 02:03:02.300 --> 02:03:04.184 of those amendments, because the last sentence 2330 02:03:04.184 --> 02:03:06.484 talks about amendments, 2331 02:03:06.484 --> 02:03:09.572 the rule may be suspended by a two thirds vote. 2332 02:03:09.572 --> 02:03:12.905 So you've still given yourselves an out, 2333 02:03:13.758 --> 02:03:14.851 but this would just, 2334 02:03:14.851 --> 02:03:16.832 anything that we have by noon 2335 02:03:16.832 --> 02:03:20.045 on that Thursday we would be more confident 2336 02:03:20.045 --> 02:03:23.295 in being able to get it posted for you. 2337 02:03:24.272 --> 02:03:25.327 <v ->I'm just trying to be realistic</v> 2338 02:03:25.327 --> 02:03:28.352 about getting something, I mean it's extreme, 2339 02:03:28.352 --> 02:03:29.298 we're not always going to have 2340 02:03:29.298 --> 02:03:31.798 these late night things, but-- 2341 02:03:33.222 --> 02:03:35.416 <v ->So on those late nights I think</v> 2342 02:03:35.416 --> 02:03:39.698 you could by two thirds vote suspend this. 2343 02:03:39.698 --> 02:03:42.544 <v ->Before we leave, we could take care of that?</v> 2344 02:03:42.544 --> 02:03:45.077 (inaudible response) 2345 02:03:45.077 --> 02:03:46.644 Okay, I'm fine as long as there's a way out 2346 02:03:46.644 --> 02:03:49.700 for those of us that don't function at three a.m. 2347 02:03:49.700 --> 02:03:50.755 Very well. 2348 02:03:50.755 --> 02:03:52.261 <v ->Yeah, I would speak in favor of the amendment,</v> 2349 02:03:52.261 --> 02:03:53.452 number one it gives you more time 2350 02:03:53.452 --> 02:03:55.321 than what we've had before. 2351 02:03:55.321 --> 02:03:57.252 It was five o'clock p.m. the night 2352 02:03:57.252 --> 02:03:59.346 of the Committee of the Full Board. 2353 02:03:59.346 --> 02:04:00.544 Yes it does. 2354 02:04:00.544 --> 02:04:01.377 Yeah. 2355 02:04:01.377 --> 02:04:03.027 By five p.m. or two hours following the adjournment 2356 02:04:03.027 --> 02:04:04.235 of the committee of the full board, 2357 02:04:04.235 --> 02:04:06.729 that would have been on Tuesday or Wednesday. 2358 02:04:06.729 --> 02:04:09.146 And so it would have been by five o'clock then. 2359 02:04:09.146 --> 02:04:12.981 As it is now, it's moved to noon the next day 2360 02:04:12.981 --> 02:04:15.295 and it can be suspended by two-thirds vote, 2361 02:04:15.295 --> 02:04:17.628 but I personally want us to, 2362 02:04:19.279 --> 02:04:22.678 as much as possible try to achieve getting, 2363 02:04:22.678 --> 02:04:23.980 receiving those amendments 2364 02:04:23.980 --> 02:04:26.440 and them being posted for public viewing 2365 02:04:26.440 --> 02:04:29.607 and public comment before five o'clock 2366 02:04:30.879 --> 02:04:34.850 on Thursday or eight a.m. on Friday or whenever it was, 2367 02:04:34.850 --> 02:04:37.483 and I understand that was kind of an emergency situation, 2368 02:04:37.483 --> 02:04:41.111 but personally I felt like some of that amendment process 2369 02:04:41.111 --> 02:04:43.564 in social studies was a little bit rushed 2370 02:04:43.564 --> 02:04:46.733 and we didn't have the opportunity for public comment. 2371 02:04:46.733 --> 02:04:48.520 Not that we didn't make good decisions on it. 2372 02:04:48.520 --> 02:04:50.954 But still I think that the public ought to know 2373 02:04:50.954 --> 02:04:53.617 as much in advance as possible what it is 2374 02:04:53.617 --> 02:04:56.394 we're going to be considering on Friday amendments. 2375 02:04:56.394 --> 02:05:00.156 And so I would at least need it by noon on that day 2376 02:05:00.156 --> 02:05:02.453 and then if there's an exigent circumstance, 2377 02:05:02.453 --> 02:05:04.868 we can vote on two thirds by two thirds 2378 02:05:04.868 --> 02:05:07.868 and change that but so I'm in favor. 2379 02:05:10.019 --> 02:05:12.910 <v ->One of the issues I believe that caused</v> 2380 02:05:12.910 --> 02:05:17.160 our last minute 'til three in the morning work, 2381 02:05:17.160 --> 02:05:20.136 whether it was me alone or not, 2382 02:05:20.136 --> 02:05:23.794 was that we started a meeting on Tuesday 2383 02:05:23.794 --> 02:05:27.087 when that kind of meeting should have began on Monday. 2384 02:05:27.087 --> 02:05:27.920 Right? 2385 02:05:27.920 --> 02:05:29.566 Because if we had more time, 2386 02:05:29.566 --> 02:05:31.259 that's the kind of adjustment 2387 02:05:31.259 --> 02:05:34.497 that we should probably be considering, 2388 02:05:34.497 --> 02:05:36.236 I'm not saying in lieu of this, 2389 02:05:36.236 --> 02:05:37.857 I'm saying in conjunction with this. 2390 02:05:37.857 --> 02:05:39.292 When we know that we're going to have 2391 02:05:39.292 --> 02:05:41.792 quite a bit of public comment, 2392 02:05:42.717 --> 02:05:46.603 testifiers, several amendments, proposals, 2393 02:05:46.603 --> 02:05:49.203 we need to add a day to our meetings 2394 02:05:49.203 --> 02:05:51.953 and that in conjunction with this 2395 02:05:52.792 --> 02:05:56.504 would go a very long way in alleviating 2396 02:05:56.504 --> 02:06:00.335 your three o'clock nightmare. (laughs) 2397 02:06:00.335 --> 02:06:02.094 <v ->Any other questions?</v> 2398 02:06:02.094 --> 02:06:05.624 All those in favor of changing it to back to noon 2399 02:06:05.624 --> 02:06:07.146 on the day prior to the final vote 2400 02:06:07.146 --> 02:06:08.785 on the adoption of TEKS for the filing 2401 02:06:08.785 --> 02:06:12.432 of amendments on second reading, all those in favor say aye. 2402 02:06:12.432 --> 02:06:13.265 (multiple responses) 2403 02:06:13.265 --> 02:06:15.232 All those opposed say no. 2404 02:06:15.232 --> 02:06:17.232 Motion is adopted, okay. 2405 02:06:18.717 --> 02:06:21.634 <v ->The next amendment is on SBOE-24,</v> 2406 02:06:22.541 --> 02:06:24.807 we propose striking language 2407 02:06:24.807 --> 02:06:27.873 for a committee that the authority 2408 02:06:27.873 --> 02:06:31.315 for has been repealed and moved to another agency. 2409 02:06:31.315 --> 02:06:32.695 <v ->Again, this is clean-up.</v> 2410 02:06:32.695 --> 02:06:35.362 Any objection to that amendment? 2411 02:06:36.401 --> 02:06:37.484 Hearing none. 2412 02:06:41.058 --> 02:06:42.516 Any other? 2413 02:06:42.516 --> 02:06:43.557 Is that it? 2414 02:06:43.557 --> 02:06:45.802 <v ->I think Mr. Maynard has an amendment</v> 2415 02:06:45.802 --> 02:06:49.280 related to the resolution and probably Mr. Cortez too. 2416 02:06:49.280 --> 02:06:51.451 <v Bahorich>Okay.</v> 2417 02:06:51.451 --> 02:06:55.451 <v Maynard>Madam, we've got one on 4.2 as well.</v> 2418 02:07:00.840 --> 02:07:02.128 Yeah, it's actually the one before that, 2419 02:07:02.128 --> 02:07:05.878 Debbie, that's under my amendment number six. 2420 02:07:06.829 --> 02:07:08.246 Relates to 4.2 A. 2421 02:07:11.509 --> 02:07:13.719 And to include the school and board 2422 02:07:13.719 --> 02:07:16.302 in our distribution of agendas. 2423 02:07:17.701 --> 02:07:21.327 <v ->That's pretty obvious. (laughs)</v> 2424 02:07:21.327 --> 02:07:23.275 Any objection to that amendment? 2425 02:07:23.275 --> 02:07:24.393 Hearing none. 2426 02:07:24.393 --> 02:07:25.226 Okay. 2427 02:07:26.127 --> 02:07:26.960 <v Maynard>All right.</v> 2428 02:07:26.960 --> 02:07:27.793 <v ->Next.</v> 2429 02:07:27.793 --> 02:07:31.626 <v ->And then, okay, here's the resolution piece.</v> 2430 02:07:33.317 --> 02:07:35.984 And chair, I know that we amend, 2431 02:07:39.583 --> 02:07:41.817 on the last page, and it gets a little bit difficult 2432 02:07:41.817 --> 02:07:44.013 because there's a section there that says resolution 2433 02:07:44.013 --> 02:07:46.196 and it's not really assigned to a section, 2434 02:07:46.196 --> 02:07:48.053 but it says, so I'm proposing 2435 02:07:48.053 --> 02:07:49.752 that we strike this language 2436 02:07:49.752 --> 02:07:51.316 that specified in the operating rules 2437 02:07:51.316 --> 02:07:52.320 of the State Board of Education 2438 02:07:52.320 --> 02:07:54.057 the board may from time to time define 2439 02:07:54.057 --> 02:07:57.534 by resolution the areas of oversight 2440 02:07:57.534 --> 02:08:00.784 for each committee as may be necessary. 2441 02:08:02.668 --> 02:08:05.251 I move to strike that language. 2442 02:08:06.734 --> 02:08:10.626 And then to move those areas of oversight 2443 02:08:10.626 --> 02:08:14.560 into 1.2-A, Committees of the Full Board, 2444 02:08:14.560 --> 02:08:19.132 and then C, by inserting in the areas of oversight 2445 02:08:19.132 --> 02:08:22.299 after in 1.2-A, and then finally in D, 2446 02:08:23.603 --> 02:08:25.878 add a new subsection B that reads, 2447 02:08:25.878 --> 02:08:27.806 amendments to areas of committee oversight 2448 02:08:27.806 --> 02:08:30.575 reflecting new or changing board responsibilities 2449 02:08:30.575 --> 02:08:32.404 may be made during the board's 2450 02:08:32.404 --> 02:08:34.408 periodic operating rules review 2451 02:08:34.408 --> 02:08:36.647 or by means of resolution addressing 2452 02:08:36.647 --> 02:08:38.457 the change of responsibilities 2453 02:08:38.457 --> 02:08:43.101 should such change occur between operating rule reviews. 2454 02:08:43.101 --> 02:08:46.934 And then re-letter the subsequent subsections. 2455 02:08:49.255 --> 02:08:50.304 Speak to the motion? 2456 02:08:50.304 --> 02:08:51.166 <v ->Yes, Mr. Maynard.</v> 2457 02:08:51.166 --> 02:08:52.513 <v ->So, when I was going through this</v> 2458 02:08:52.513 --> 02:08:55.020 is that when you read this 2459 02:08:55.020 --> 02:08:58.312 and I had this conversation with counsel, 2460 02:08:58.312 --> 02:09:00.845 it appears that the areas of oversight 2461 02:09:00.845 --> 02:09:03.871 are sort of almost a separate document 2462 02:09:03.871 --> 02:09:05.972 tacked onto the back, and I don't know 2463 02:09:05.972 --> 02:09:09.056 if there is, what the history of that was exactly. 2464 02:09:09.056 --> 02:09:12.762 And then it also is referencing a provision 2465 02:09:12.762 --> 02:09:14.245 in the rules that didn't exist anymore 2466 02:09:14.245 --> 02:09:15.099 because it says is that, 2467 02:09:15.099 --> 02:09:17.034 as specified in the operating rules 2468 02:09:17.034 --> 02:09:18.014 of the State Board, well, 2469 02:09:18.014 --> 02:09:19.161 it doesn't really say that anywhere 2470 02:09:19.161 --> 02:09:21.105 as I read through the whole thing. 2471 02:09:21.105 --> 02:09:24.221 And so what I'm proposing to do 2472 02:09:24.221 --> 02:09:25.669 is to move this into the section 2473 02:09:25.669 --> 02:09:27.833 about committees to where we name the committees 2474 02:09:27.833 --> 02:09:31.229 and also deal with the areas of responsibility 2475 02:09:31.229 --> 02:09:35.190 at the same time and that way we don't have 2476 02:09:35.190 --> 02:09:37.714 a separate document, therefore that we can look 2477 02:09:37.714 --> 02:09:40.288 at these as part of our normal rule revisions 2478 02:09:40.288 --> 02:09:42.282 rather than having a separate resolution 2479 02:09:42.282 --> 02:09:46.037 as what appears to be in the rules currently. 2480 02:09:46.037 --> 02:09:49.454 But also then to put a provision in there 2481 02:09:51.461 --> 02:09:55.058 that would enable us that if the legislature 2482 02:09:55.058 --> 02:09:58.715 comes back and changes our responsibilities somehow, 2483 02:09:58.715 --> 02:10:01.210 that we can actually change that by means 2484 02:10:01.210 --> 02:10:05.960 of resolution without opening up the whole rule document. 2485 02:10:07.237 --> 02:10:08.619 <v ->Any other questions?</v> 2486 02:10:08.619 --> 02:10:11.695 Or any objections to those? 2487 02:10:11.695 --> 02:10:12.612 Mr. Cortez? 2488 02:10:13.498 --> 02:10:14.793 <v ->How do we do it now, I mean,</v> 2489 02:10:14.793 --> 02:10:17.317 have we had to do those resolutions 2490 02:10:17.317 --> 02:10:18.924 that you're talking about? 2491 02:10:18.924 --> 02:10:20.757 I don't think we have. 2492 02:10:23.097 --> 02:10:25.916 <v ->Yeah, we haven't changed the standing committees so.</v> 2493 02:10:25.916 --> 02:10:26.749 <v Cortez>Were you talking about</v> 2494 02:10:26.749 --> 02:10:27.582 what the responsibilities-- 2495 02:10:27.582 --> 02:10:30.628 <v ->Right, if we wanted to amend...</v> 2496 02:10:30.628 --> 02:10:31.467 Right. 2497 02:10:31.467 --> 02:10:34.788 And we can just amend by resolution and, 2498 02:10:34.788 --> 02:10:37.047 you know, make it simple. 2499 02:10:37.047 --> 02:10:39.684 Any other questions about that? 2500 02:10:39.684 --> 02:10:41.349 The only question I would have is, 2501 02:10:41.349 --> 02:10:43.461 I do kind of like the one pager at the end 2502 02:10:43.461 --> 02:10:44.987 because it does list 'em and the way 2503 02:10:44.987 --> 02:10:47.070 we'll have it now by inserting it in the rules 2504 02:10:47.070 --> 02:10:49.381 it'll probably end up on two pages, 2505 02:10:49.381 --> 02:10:52.437 is there a way that we could, you know, 2506 02:10:52.437 --> 02:10:54.763 still put it like an addendum or something 2507 02:10:54.763 --> 02:10:56.466 that just shows the board duties 2508 02:10:56.466 --> 02:10:59.143 pulled out just by themselves like they are now, 2509 02:10:59.143 --> 02:10:59.976 'cause they are. 2510 02:10:59.976 --> 02:11:03.809 It's just weird it says resolution at the top. 2511 02:11:04.693 --> 02:11:07.338 <v ->I would think we can do that unless Lonnie can think--</v> 2512 02:11:07.338 --> 02:11:08.205 <v Bahorich>Just an exhibit.</v> 2513 02:11:08.205 --> 02:11:09.335 <v ->Of a yeah, almost just a separate link</v> 2514 02:11:09.335 --> 02:11:11.071 on the webpage with the rules. 2515 02:11:11.071 --> 02:11:12.412 <v ->Yeah, just an exhibit, it's just so nice</v> 2516 02:11:12.412 --> 02:11:17.079 to have it all on one page that you can kind of look at. 2517 02:11:18.509 --> 02:11:19.342 Anyway. 2518 02:11:19.342 --> 02:11:22.038 Just adding an exhibit or something. 2519 02:11:22.038 --> 02:11:23.117 So. 2520 02:11:23.117 --> 02:11:25.586 Any objections to those rule changes? 2521 02:11:25.586 --> 02:11:26.816 Hearing none. 2522 02:11:26.816 --> 02:11:27.649 All right. 2523 02:11:28.659 --> 02:11:30.047 Yes? 2524 02:11:30.047 --> 02:11:31.944 <v ->And also then, I have one other amendment</v> 2525 02:11:31.944 --> 02:11:35.353 to the Committee on School Finance, 2526 02:11:35.353 --> 02:11:37.534 Permanent School Fund, and to add to that list 2527 02:11:37.534 --> 02:11:39.346 oversight of the Permanent School 2528 02:11:39.346 --> 02:11:41.929 Fund Bond Guaranty Program. 2529 02:11:41.929 --> 02:11:44.707 <v ->Yeah, that should have been in there.</v> 2530 02:11:44.707 --> 02:11:46.658 That's a good catch. 2531 02:11:46.658 --> 02:11:50.325 Any objection to adding that obvious change? 2532 02:11:51.969 --> 02:11:52.802 Hearing none. 2533 02:11:52.802 --> 02:11:53.635 Okay. 2534 02:11:53.635 --> 02:11:57.359 And I think Mr. Cortez, you had one more. 2535 02:11:57.359 --> 02:12:00.264 <v ->On the committee of school initiatives.</v> 2536 02:12:00.264 --> 02:12:01.597 On number three. 2537 02:12:03.519 --> 02:12:06.448 I believe it's SBOE page 25. 2538 02:12:06.448 --> 02:12:09.781 Review and value, review and evaluation 2539 02:12:09.781 --> 02:12:12.794 of charter school applications, comma, 2540 02:12:12.794 --> 02:12:16.294 I want to insert revisions and amendments. 2541 02:12:17.361 --> 02:12:18.820 And then it'll continue on as written, 2542 02:12:18.820 --> 02:12:22.820 the Commissioner of Education proposes to grant. 2543 02:12:28.960 --> 02:12:29.941 <v ->Is there any objection</v> 2544 02:12:29.941 --> 02:12:32.695 to adding that into the instruction? 2545 02:12:32.695 --> 02:12:35.013 Committee on School Initiatives. 2546 02:12:35.013 --> 02:12:38.180 (indistinct response) 2547 02:12:46.063 --> 02:12:47.203 So work that this Committee 2548 02:12:47.203 --> 02:12:49.480 on School Initiatives would undertake. 2549 02:12:49.480 --> 02:12:52.032 Any objections to adding that language? 2550 02:12:52.032 --> 02:12:53.935 Hearing none. 2551 02:12:53.935 --> 02:12:54.768 All right. 2552 02:12:59.003 --> 02:13:01.586 Any other changes to the rules? 2553 02:13:02.443 --> 02:13:03.276 Okay. 2554 02:13:03.276 --> 02:13:04.109 So. 2555 02:13:05.728 --> 02:13:08.228 Okay, do I have a motion here? 2556 02:13:09.448 --> 02:13:10.838 An actual motion motion? 2557 02:13:10.838 --> 02:13:11.671 Hold on. 2558 02:13:13.474 --> 02:13:15.903 Yeah, why don't you, Mr. Rowley? 2559 02:13:15.903 --> 02:13:18.090 <v ->Madam Chair, I move that we adopt</v> 2560 02:13:18.090 --> 02:13:23.019 the amendments to the operating rules as proposed. 2561 02:13:23.019 --> 02:13:24.993 <v ->All those in favor say aye.</v> 2562 02:13:24.993 --> 02:13:25.826 (multiple responses) 2563 02:13:25.826 --> 02:13:27.863 All those opposed say no. 2564 02:13:27.863 --> 02:13:30.613 Rules as amended have been adopted. 2565 02:13:30.613 --> 02:13:31.791 All right. 2566 02:13:31.791 --> 02:13:34.277 Now members, we're going on, moving on 2567 02:13:34.277 --> 02:13:37.444 to the election of State Board of Education officers, 2568 02:13:37.444 --> 02:13:41.527 and Mr. Maynard you told me you had a nomination. 2569 02:13:44.329 --> 02:13:48.163 <v ->Madam Chair, I would like to nominate</v> 2570 02:13:48.163 --> 02:13:49.502 for vice chair of the board, 2571 02:13:49.502 --> 02:13:51.000 is that the position we're going to do first? 2572 02:13:51.000 --> 02:13:52.151 <v Bahorich>Yes, mm-hmm, we'll do vice chair</v> 2573 02:13:52.151 --> 02:13:52.984 and then do secretary. 2574 02:13:52.984 --> 02:13:55.651 <v ->I would nominate Marty Rowley.</v> 2575 02:13:58.475 --> 02:13:59.984 <v Bahorich>Do we need a second for that?</v> 2576 02:13:59.984 --> 02:14:00.817 <v ->No there's no--</v> 2577 02:14:00.817 --> 02:14:01.878 <v Bahorich>Okay.</v> 2578 02:14:01.878 --> 02:14:02.826 Marty Rowley, okay. 2579 02:14:02.826 --> 02:14:03.659 <v ->Can I speak to my nomination?</v> 2580 02:14:03.659 --> 02:14:04.492 <v Bahorich>Yes, please do.</v> 2581 02:14:04.492 --> 02:14:05.332 <v ->Yeah.</v> 2582 02:14:05.332 --> 02:14:07.974 Madam Chair, I just, we've just had the honor 2583 02:14:07.974 --> 02:14:11.235 of working with Mr. Rowley over these last few years 2584 02:14:11.235 --> 02:14:15.152 and he's smart, he's articulate, he's prepared. 2585 02:14:17.540 --> 02:14:20.219 I appreciate the fact that he is fully engaged 2586 02:14:20.219 --> 02:14:22.886 in the work out in his district. 2587 02:14:25.493 --> 02:14:28.993 He is in tune with always what's going on. 2588 02:14:30.368 --> 02:14:34.010 He's a just in terms of representation of the board, 2589 02:14:34.010 --> 02:14:35.946 I think he does a great job. 2590 02:14:35.946 --> 02:14:39.598 Just as a side note, I'm told by a senator 2591 02:14:39.598 --> 02:14:40.718 from up in the Amarillo area 2592 02:14:40.718 --> 02:14:42.695 that he's very generous on the golf course. 2593 02:14:42.695 --> 02:14:44.308 (laughter) 2594 02:14:44.308 --> 02:14:45.457 So I've heard that he coughs up 2595 02:14:45.457 --> 02:14:47.188 a lot of money on the golf course. 2596 02:14:47.188 --> 02:14:49.394 So if anybody wants to golf with him, so. 2597 02:14:49.394 --> 02:14:50.644 <v ->That's funny.</v> 2598 02:14:52.412 --> 02:14:55.731 The floor is open for other nominations for vice chair. 2599 02:14:55.731 --> 02:14:57.232 Yes. 2600 02:14:57.232 --> 02:15:02.149 <v Allen>I'd like to nominate Ruben Cortez for vice chair.</v> 2601 02:15:06.119 --> 02:15:09.801 <v ->All right, Mr. Allen, would you speak to that nomination?</v> 2602 02:15:09.801 --> 02:15:10.968 <v ->I want to...</v> 2603 02:15:12.185 --> 02:15:13.419 I believe that Mr. Cortez, 2604 02:15:13.419 --> 02:15:16.086 I consider it would be a promotion at this time, 2605 02:15:16.086 --> 02:15:20.800 he's served on the board and I'm trying to look 2606 02:15:20.800 --> 02:15:23.723 at some advancement in the Democrat side of the board, 2607 02:15:23.723 --> 02:15:26.814 and I think that Mr. Cortez has served as well as secretary. 2608 02:15:26.814 --> 02:15:28.767 I think two terms as secretary, 2609 02:15:28.767 --> 02:15:30.832 would be more deserving to operate 2610 02:15:30.832 --> 02:15:32.463 in a vice chair's position 2611 02:15:32.463 --> 02:15:37.463 and show some elevation to the Democratic side of the board. 2612 02:15:39.306 --> 02:15:40.862 <v ->Any other comments of either,</v> 2613 02:15:40.862 --> 02:15:45.279 or any other nominations, could be other nominations. 2614 02:15:46.531 --> 02:15:47.364 <v Rowley>Madam Chair?</v> 2615 02:15:47.364 --> 02:15:48.226 <v ->Yes.</v> 2616 02:15:48.226 --> 02:15:50.363 <v Rowley>Do you need a motion to close nominations?</v> 2617 02:15:50.363 --> 02:15:51.434 <v ->Yes.</v> 2618 02:15:51.434 --> 02:15:54.461 <v Rowley>No, or can the board just close nominations?</v> 2619 02:15:54.461 --> 02:15:55.663 <v ->If we don't have further nominations</v> 2620 02:15:55.663 --> 02:15:56.955 nominations are closed. 2621 02:15:56.955 --> 02:15:58.686 <v ->Okay, if there are no further nominations,</v> 2622 02:15:58.686 --> 02:16:00.379 the nominations are now closed. 2623 02:16:00.379 --> 02:16:04.379 And how do we do this, do we pass papers around, 2624 02:16:05.400 --> 02:16:09.817 do we hold, what's the, how do we do this with the... 2625 02:16:13.017 --> 02:16:13.850 Is it... 2626 02:16:13.850 --> 02:16:15.929 Well, it's never secret with the board, but. 2627 02:16:15.929 --> 02:16:16.762 <v Ratcliffe>Yeah.</v> 2628 02:16:16.762 --> 02:16:17.595 <v ->But I mean--</v> 2629 02:16:17.595 --> 02:16:18.428 <v Ratcliffe>I think it's been a voice vote</v> 2630 02:16:18.428 --> 02:16:20.178 when it has happened. 2631 02:16:21.482 --> 02:16:23.008 <v Bahorich>For and against the first person,</v> 2632 02:16:23.008 --> 02:16:25.251 and for and against the second person? 2633 02:16:25.251 --> 02:16:26.438 That's the way you've done it before? 2634 02:16:26.438 --> 02:16:29.042 Wait a minute, for and against each separate person? 2635 02:16:29.042 --> 02:16:30.490 <v Ratcliffe>Yeah.</v> 2636 02:16:30.490 --> 02:16:33.990 (indistinct conversation) 2637 02:16:34.860 --> 02:16:36.246 <v Bahorich>Why would you do for and against?</v> 2638 02:16:36.246 --> 02:16:39.746 (indistinct conversation) 2639 02:16:41.720 --> 02:16:43.078 <v Maynard>Parliamentary query?</v> 2640 02:16:43.078 --> 02:16:44.711 <v Bahorich>Yes, Mr. Maynard?</v> 2641 02:16:44.711 --> 02:16:46.702 <v ->Yeah, and we have done that in the past</v> 2642 02:16:46.702 --> 02:16:50.452 where we voted for and against and was always 2643 02:16:51.421 --> 02:16:52.731 kind of curious about that, 2644 02:16:52.731 --> 02:16:53.797 because I don't recall 2645 02:16:53.797 --> 02:16:56.756 that really being a feature of Robert's. 2646 02:16:56.756 --> 02:16:57.818 It would seem like to me 2647 02:16:57.818 --> 02:17:00.985 that if we have to do a public vote... 2648 02:17:02.401 --> 02:17:05.048 Well, or that I think that every vote here 2649 02:17:05.048 --> 02:17:08.046 that we take is a public vote. 2650 02:17:08.046 --> 02:17:10.896 But if you did it by, could we not do it 2651 02:17:10.896 --> 02:17:12.498 by roll call and each member 2652 02:17:12.498 --> 02:17:15.186 then would state who they're voting for? 2653 02:17:15.186 --> 02:17:16.399 <v Ratcliffe>That'd be the simplest.</v> 2654 02:17:16.399 --> 02:17:19.899 (indistinct conversation) 2655 02:17:27.513 --> 02:17:31.174 <v ->Madam Chairman, just as a point of education,</v> 2656 02:17:31.174 --> 02:17:34.339 Robert's does say that when you are having elections 2657 02:17:34.339 --> 02:17:37.477 in a mass meeting that you vote first for 2658 02:17:37.477 --> 02:17:40.165 and then against and then in order to advance 2659 02:17:40.165 --> 02:17:42.080 to a candidate that you are in favor of, 2660 02:17:42.080 --> 02:17:44.484 you must first vote to defeat the ones 2661 02:17:44.484 --> 02:17:47.901 who are nominated earlier in the process. 2662 02:17:48.748 --> 02:17:50.315 <v ->But if there are only two...</v> 2663 02:17:50.315 --> 02:17:51.486 <v ->Correct, correct.</v> 2664 02:17:51.486 --> 02:17:53.766 I don't say it's a good process. 2665 02:17:53.766 --> 02:17:54.599 <v ->Okay.</v> 2666 02:17:54.599 --> 02:17:57.188 <v ->I just say that it's Robert's process.</v> 2667 02:17:57.188 --> 02:17:59.377 <v ->I think thought that I guess I would speak</v> 2668 02:17:59.377 --> 02:18:03.069 in favor of Mr. Maynard's way of doing this 2669 02:18:03.069 --> 02:18:06.403 because it would be much quicker I think. 2670 02:18:06.403 --> 02:18:08.678 So can we go ahead and do roll call and then... 2671 02:18:08.678 --> 02:18:11.142 (indistinct response) 2672 02:18:11.142 --> 02:18:12.943 Yeah, we could do that. 2673 02:18:12.943 --> 02:18:15.176 As long as we don't get confused. 2674 02:18:15.176 --> 02:18:17.144 As long as we don't get confused, 2675 02:18:17.144 --> 02:18:19.394 that's the important thing. 2676 02:18:20.268 --> 02:18:21.865 Okay, so I'm going to do it, 2677 02:18:21.865 --> 02:18:24.528 let's do it in alphabetical order. 2678 02:18:24.528 --> 02:18:26.931 Just to keep us straight. 2679 02:18:26.931 --> 02:18:28.356 So if we have competing nominations 2680 02:18:28.356 --> 02:18:30.920 for secretary we'll do the same thing. 2681 02:18:30.920 --> 02:18:31.888 Alphabetical order. 2682 02:18:31.888 --> 02:18:32.852 Okay? 2683 02:18:32.852 --> 02:18:35.602 We're, so Mr. Cortez will be one. 2684 02:18:37.685 --> 02:18:39.248 You will say when your name is called 2685 02:18:39.248 --> 02:18:42.361 you will say one if you're going to vote for Mr. Cortez. 2686 02:18:42.361 --> 02:18:46.948 If you are going to vote for Mr. Rowley, you would say two. 2687 02:18:46.948 --> 02:18:48.049 As your name is called. 2688 02:18:48.049 --> 02:18:50.582 Does that make sense? 2689 02:18:50.582 --> 02:18:51.787 Does everybody got that clear? 2690 02:18:51.787 --> 02:18:54.682 We're doing alphabetical order. 2691 02:18:54.682 --> 02:18:56.019 Cortez and then Rowley. 2692 02:18:56.019 --> 02:18:57.442 Cortez is number one. 2693 02:18:57.442 --> 02:18:59.109 Rowley's number two. 2694 02:19:00.229 --> 02:19:02.283 Ready for the roll call vote? 2695 02:19:02.283 --> 02:19:03.116 Okay. 2696 02:19:04.996 --> 02:19:06.576 <v Ratcliffe>Okay, Mr. Allen?</v> 2697 02:19:06.576 --> 02:19:08.415 <v Allen>One.</v> 2698 02:19:08.415 --> 02:19:09.748 <v Ratcliffe>Ms. Cargill?</v> 2699 02:19:09.748 --> 02:19:11.439 <v Cargill>Two.</v> 2700 02:19:11.439 --> 02:19:12.994 <v Ratcliffe>Mr. Cortez?</v> 2701 02:19:12.994 --> 02:19:14.498 <v Cortez>One.</v> 2702 02:19:14.498 --> 02:19:15.520 <v Ratcliffe>Ms. Davis?</v> 2703 02:19:15.520 --> 02:19:16.353 <v Davis>Two.</v> 2704 02:19:16.353 --> 02:19:17.219 <v Ratcliffe>Dr. Ellis?</v> 2705 02:19:17.219 --> 02:19:19.189 <v Ellis>Two.</v> 2706 02:19:19.189 --> 02:19:20.333 <v Ratcliffe>Ms. Hardy?</v> 2707 02:19:20.333 --> 02:19:23.537 (inaudible response) 2708 02:19:23.537 --> 02:19:24.970 Ms. Little? 2709 02:19:24.970 --> 02:19:26.220 <v Little>Two.</v> 2710 02:19:27.066 --> 02:19:28.000 <v Ratcliffe>Mr. Maynard?</v> 2711 02:19:28.000 --> 02:19:29.646 <v Maynard>Two.</v> 2712 02:19:29.646 --> 02:19:30.874 <v Ratcliffe>Ms. Melton-Malone?</v> 2713 02:19:30.874 --> 02:19:32.454 <v Melton-Malone>Two.</v> 2714 02:19:32.454 --> 02:19:33.287 <v Ratcliffe>Mr. Mercer?</v> 2715 02:19:33.287 --> 02:19:34.853 <v Mercer>Two.</v> 2716 02:19:34.853 --> 02:19:35.788 <v ->Ms. Perez?</v> 2717 02:19:35.788 --> 02:19:37.585 <v Perez>One.</v> 2718 02:19:37.585 --> 02:19:38.914 <v ->Ms. Perez-Diaz?</v> 2719 02:19:38.914 --> 02:19:40.372 <v Perez-Diaz>One.</v> 2720 02:19:40.372 --> 02:19:41.216 <v ->Dr. Robinson?</v> 2721 02:19:41.216 --> 02:19:43.082 <v Robinson>Two.</v> 2722 02:19:43.082 --> 02:19:44.149 <v ->And Mr. Rowley?</v> 2723 02:19:44.149 --> 02:19:45.399 <v Rowley>Two.</v> 2724 02:19:46.582 --> 02:19:48.190 <v ->All right.</v> 2725 02:19:48.190 --> 02:19:50.630 Vote I had was seven to four, 2726 02:19:50.630 --> 02:19:53.380 is that what, did I get it right? 2727 02:19:55.484 --> 02:19:57.090 <v Ratcliffe>I've got eight to four.</v> 2728 02:19:57.090 --> 02:19:57.923 <v ->Eight to four?</v> 2729 02:19:57.923 --> 02:19:58.756 <v Ratcliffe>Yes.</v> 2730 02:19:58.756 --> 02:19:59.589 <v ->Eight to four.</v> 2731 02:19:59.589 --> 02:20:00.422 Okay. 2732 02:20:00.422 --> 02:20:02.779 Mr. Rowley, congratulations on your achievement 2733 02:20:02.779 --> 02:20:06.512 of being vice chair again, so once again, congratulations. 2734 02:20:06.512 --> 02:20:07.750 All right, nominations are now open 2735 02:20:07.750 --> 02:20:11.272 for the secretary of the board, yes. 2736 02:20:11.272 --> 02:20:13.605 Mr. Maynard, or Ms. Cargill. 2737 02:20:17.422 --> 02:20:18.255 Okay. 2738 02:20:20.129 --> 02:20:20.962 <v ->Madam Chair, I'd nominate</v> 2739 02:20:20.962 --> 02:20:23.712 for secretary Ms. Georgina Perez. 2740 02:20:27.990 --> 02:20:28.823 <v Bahorich>Ms. Perez, do you want</v> 2741 02:20:28.823 --> 02:20:31.951 to speak to Ms. Perez and then we'll take other nominations. 2742 02:20:31.951 --> 02:20:36.118 <v ->I was asked to do that but I'm happy to do that.</v> 2743 02:20:37.911 --> 02:20:39.225 During the time that Ms. Perez 2744 02:20:39.225 --> 02:20:42.366 has been on the board she has certainly shown herself 2745 02:20:42.366 --> 02:20:46.616 to be passionate, to be articulate, to be diligent. 2746 02:20:47.744 --> 02:20:52.338 The degree of follow-through is always extraordinary. 2747 02:20:52.338 --> 02:20:54.475 And I'm proud to serve with her 2748 02:20:54.475 --> 02:20:56.981 and I think that she's doing an extraordinary job 2749 02:20:56.981 --> 02:20:59.369 representing her constituents 2750 02:20:59.369 --> 02:21:02.702 and representing the work of this board. 2751 02:21:03.578 --> 02:21:04.494 <v ->All right.</v> 2752 02:21:04.494 --> 02:21:07.659 Let's go ahead and have any other nominations, 2753 02:21:07.659 --> 02:21:11.028 let's go ahead and do that, yes. 2754 02:21:11.028 --> 02:21:13.379 Yeah, Mr. Cortez, why don't you go ahead? 2755 02:21:13.379 --> 02:21:17.943 <v ->Well, I agree with everything that you just said, Tom.</v> 2756 02:21:17.943 --> 02:21:21.026 I would like to nominate Marisa Perez 2757 02:21:23.243 --> 02:21:24.546 for a lot of the same reasons 2758 02:21:24.546 --> 02:21:26.698 you just mentioned about my colleague Georgina 2759 02:21:26.698 --> 02:21:28.869 which I agree about. 2760 02:21:28.869 --> 02:21:29.941 But in addition to that, 2761 02:21:29.941 --> 02:21:32.271 she does have more seniority, 2762 02:21:32.271 --> 02:21:34.439 has been here several years, 2763 02:21:34.439 --> 02:21:37.776 came in the same class that we came in. 2764 02:21:37.776 --> 02:21:39.526 I think that her work 2765 02:21:41.697 --> 02:21:43.847 over these last several years has demonstrated. 2766 02:21:43.847 --> 02:21:45.973 Her leadership speaks for itself. 2767 02:21:45.973 --> 02:21:48.046 And I think we'd be lucky 2768 02:21:48.046 --> 02:21:49.260 to have either one of these ladies 2769 02:21:49.260 --> 02:21:52.510 represent us as secretary on the board. 2770 02:21:54.904 --> 02:21:57.404 And nothing against Ms. Perez, 2771 02:21:58.507 --> 02:22:02.061 again I think we'd be in good hands either way. 2772 02:22:02.061 --> 02:22:05.372 I'm surrounded by amazing women here as you can see. 2773 02:22:05.372 --> 02:22:06.687 <v Bahorich>Yes. (laughs)</v> 2774 02:22:06.687 --> 02:22:09.770 <v ->When I get concern I go to my left,</v> 2775 02:22:10.993 --> 02:22:15.627 I go to my right, and I always get good counsel 2776 02:22:15.627 --> 02:22:17.737 whichever way I look, so. 2777 02:22:17.737 --> 02:22:20.045 But just on the basis of seniority 2778 02:22:20.045 --> 02:22:22.962 I would nominate Marisa Perez-Diaz. 2779 02:22:24.626 --> 02:22:25.995 <v ->So we've got two nominations</v> 2780 02:22:25.995 --> 02:22:30.412 and any other nominations for secretary of the board? 2781 02:22:31.310 --> 02:22:33.364 Hearing none, there's no objection, 2782 02:22:33.364 --> 02:22:35.146 nominations are now closed. 2783 02:22:35.146 --> 02:22:37.281 And so we're going to do the same thing again. 2784 02:22:37.281 --> 02:22:39.614 On, although I didn't leave, 2785 02:22:40.912 --> 02:22:42.344 does anybody else want to speak 2786 02:22:42.344 --> 02:22:44.844 for either one of the members? 2787 02:22:46.990 --> 02:22:49.013 Oh, I already did that. 2788 02:22:49.013 --> 02:22:50.226 Okay, all right. 2789 02:22:50.226 --> 02:22:51.415 Let's go ahead and vote. 2790 02:22:51.415 --> 02:22:55.149 And Marisa Perez, she's number one. 2791 02:22:55.149 --> 02:22:58.528 And Perez, this gets confusing. 2792 02:22:58.528 --> 02:23:00.490 Perez is number two, all right. 2793 02:23:00.490 --> 02:23:04.013 So Marisa Perez will be number one, right? 2794 02:23:04.013 --> 02:23:05.586 Is everybody clear? 2795 02:23:05.586 --> 02:23:07.836 And Gina Perez will be two. 2796 02:23:11.550 --> 02:23:13.728 I want to make sure everybody knows. 2797 02:23:13.728 --> 02:23:15.548 (indistinct responses) 2798 02:23:15.548 --> 02:23:16.381 <v Cortez>Diaz--</v> 2799 02:23:16.381 --> 02:23:17.256 <v ->All right, let's do this.</v> 2800 02:23:17.256 --> 02:23:18.089 Okay. 2801 02:23:18.089 --> 02:23:18.922 <v Cortez>Perez is--</v> 2802 02:23:18.922 --> 02:23:21.954 <v ->Marisa is one, Gina is two.</v> 2803 02:23:21.954 --> 02:23:24.285 Marisa is one, Gina is two. 2804 02:23:24.285 --> 02:23:26.281 Is that clear? 2805 02:23:26.281 --> 02:23:27.247 Okay. 2806 02:23:27.247 --> 02:23:28.080 All right. 2807 02:23:28.080 --> 02:23:30.148 Let's go ahead and do the roll call. 2808 02:23:30.148 --> 02:23:31.401 <v Ratcliffe>Mr. Allen?</v> 2809 02:23:31.401 --> 02:23:33.360 <v Allen>One.</v> 2810 02:23:33.360 --> 02:23:34.315 <v ->Ms. Cargill?</v> 2811 02:23:34.315 --> 02:23:35.630 <v Cargill>Two.</v> 2812 02:23:35.630 --> 02:23:36.713 <v ->Mr. Cortez?</v> 2813 02:23:38.962 --> 02:23:40.126 <v Cortez>One.</v> 2814 02:23:40.126 --> 02:23:42.625 <v ->One. (laughs)</v> 2815 02:23:42.625 --> 02:23:44.016 Ms. Davis? 2816 02:23:44.016 --> 02:23:45.204 Dr. Ellis? 2817 02:23:45.204 --> 02:23:46.697 <v Ellis>Two.</v> 2818 02:23:46.697 --> 02:23:47.697 <v ->Ms. Hardy?</v> 2819 02:23:48.946 --> 02:23:50.275 Ms. Little? 2820 02:23:50.275 --> 02:23:51.639 <v Little>Two.</v> 2821 02:23:51.639 --> 02:23:52.723 <v ->Mr. Maynard?</v> 2822 02:23:52.723 --> 02:23:53.999 <v Maynard>Two.</v> 2823 02:23:53.999 --> 02:23:55.488 <v ->Ms. Melton-Malone?</v> 2824 02:23:55.488 --> 02:23:56.772 <v Melton-Malone>Two.</v> 2825 02:23:56.772 --> 02:23:57.726 <v ->Mr. Mercer?</v> 2826 02:23:57.726 --> 02:23:58.863 <v Mercer>One.</v> 2827 02:23:58.863 --> 02:24:00.143 <v ->Ms. Perez?</v> 2828 02:24:00.143 --> 02:24:01.797 <v Perez>One- two!</v> 2829 02:24:01.797 --> 02:24:04.201 (laughter) 2830 02:24:04.201 --> 02:24:05.386 Two please! 2831 02:24:05.386 --> 02:24:06.219 <v ->Okay.</v> 2832 02:24:06.219 --> 02:24:07.266 Ms. Perez-Diaz? 2833 02:24:07.266 --> 02:24:08.646 <v Perez-Diaz>One.</v> 2834 02:24:08.646 --> 02:24:10.101 <v ->Dr. Robinson?</v> 2835 02:24:10.101 --> 02:24:11.332 <v Robinson>Two.</v> 2836 02:24:11.332 --> 02:24:12.400 <v ->Mr. Rowley?</v> 2837 02:24:12.400 --> 02:24:13.696 <v Rowley>Two.</v> 2838 02:24:13.696 --> 02:24:14.946 <v ->Ms. Bagorich?</v> 2839 02:24:16.595 --> 02:24:17.428 <v ->I didn't vote last time,</v> 2840 02:24:17.428 --> 02:24:18.748 I'm not voting this time either. (laughs) 2841 02:24:18.748 --> 02:24:19.581 Okay. 2842 02:24:21.639 --> 02:24:23.889 Okay, I show eight to four? 2843 02:24:27.127 --> 02:24:28.670 Eight to four? 2844 02:24:28.670 --> 02:24:32.507 Okay, eight to four, congratulations, Ms. Perez, Gina Perez. 2845 02:24:32.507 --> 02:24:35.600 You are our next, our new board secretary. 2846 02:24:35.600 --> 02:24:36.433 Okay. 2847 02:24:37.669 --> 02:24:39.077 We've got a few minutes, 2848 02:24:39.077 --> 02:24:40.635 so it's possible that we might be able 2849 02:24:40.635 --> 02:24:41.846 to put the committees together, 2850 02:24:41.846 --> 02:24:44.429 do we have all of the handouts. 2851 02:24:45.273 --> 02:24:48.440 Actually, I only have Sue, Pam Little, 2852 02:24:50.333 --> 02:24:54.666 Keven Ellis, Pat Hardy, and Aicha Davis on handouts. 2853 02:24:57.552 --> 02:25:00.395 Who's gonna collect, so... 2854 02:25:00.395 --> 02:25:04.312 (indistinct conversation) 2855 02:25:04.312 --> 02:25:05.145 Yep. 2856 02:25:05.145 --> 02:25:08.645 (indistinct conversation) 2857 02:35:40.230 --> 02:35:41.431 Okay members, I think we're going 2858 02:35:41.431 --> 02:35:44.348 to make our deadline at 2:30, here. 2859 02:35:52.054 --> 02:35:52.887 No. 2860 02:35:57.052 --> 02:35:57.933 No. 2861 02:35:57.933 --> 02:35:58.766 Okay. 2862 02:35:58.766 --> 02:36:00.040 Are we ready? 2863 02:36:00.040 --> 02:36:01.703 I've asked Mr. Rowley to go ahead 2864 02:36:01.703 --> 02:36:04.786 and make the committee announcements. 2865 02:36:06.053 --> 02:36:08.326 Really appreciate a lot of the members put, 2866 02:36:08.326 --> 02:36:09.611 you know, one or two, I mean, 2867 02:36:09.611 --> 02:36:11.463 they really were not that picky 2868 02:36:11.463 --> 02:36:14.961 about the committees that they were on, which is great. 2869 02:36:14.961 --> 02:36:16.401 Greatly appreciated. 2870 02:36:16.401 --> 02:36:17.371 All right, Mr. Rowley. 2871 02:36:17.371 --> 02:36:19.890 <v ->Yeah, and so the methodology that we employed was,</v> 2872 02:36:19.890 --> 02:36:22.339 we went on the basis of seniority 2873 02:36:22.339 --> 02:36:26.092 and gave members their first choice, 2874 02:36:26.092 --> 02:36:27.945 essentially based on seniority, 2875 02:36:27.945 --> 02:36:31.771 and I think it worked all the way through. 2876 02:36:31.771 --> 02:36:35.476 So on the PSF Committee it is Ms. Hardy, 2877 02:36:35.476 --> 02:36:40.059 Mr. Mercer, Mr. Allen, Chair Bahorich, and Mr. Maynard. 2878 02:36:41.859 --> 02:36:42.692 Okay. 2879 02:36:43.816 --> 02:36:47.237 Committee on Instruction is Ms. Melton-Malone, 2880 02:36:47.237 --> 02:36:51.320 Ms. Perez, Ms. Little, Ms. Davis, and Mr. Rowley. 2881 02:36:53.627 --> 02:36:58.377 And then Committee on School Initiatives is Ms. Cargill, 2882 02:36:58.377 --> 02:37:03.044 Dr. Ellis, Ms. Perez-Diaz, Dr. Robinson, and Mr. Cortez. 2883 02:37:08.324 --> 02:37:09.312 There you are. 2884 02:37:09.312 --> 02:37:12.567 So the committees will elect their chairs. 2885 02:37:12.567 --> 02:37:14.190 <v Bahorich>On Thursday, right?</v> 2886 02:37:14.190 --> 02:37:15.906 <v ->On Thursday.</v> 2887 02:37:15.906 --> 02:37:17.844 And then actually the board rules say 2888 02:37:17.844 --> 02:37:20.546 that the chairs appoint the vice chair. 2889 02:37:20.546 --> 02:37:22.609 But you can choose to elect that. 2890 02:37:22.609 --> 02:37:24.036 <v ->The committee chair appoints a vice chair.</v> 2891 02:37:24.036 --> 02:37:27.452 And you can, you may or may not wish to do so. 2892 02:37:27.452 --> 02:37:30.125 As, if you are the chair of that committee. 2893 02:37:30.125 --> 02:37:34.175 <v ->One final point, typically officers of the board</v> 2894 02:37:34.175 --> 02:37:36.694 are not eligible or did not typically serve 2895 02:37:36.694 --> 02:37:39.861 as chair or vice chairs of committees. 2896 02:37:40.954 --> 02:37:44.097 That's just kind of the standing protocol. 2897 02:37:44.097 --> 02:37:45.861 <v Female Voice>But is it written rule?</v> 2898 02:37:45.861 --> 02:37:46.806 It is written? 2899 02:37:46.806 --> 02:37:47.639 <v Bahorich>Yeah, it's written.</v> 2900 02:37:47.639 --> 02:37:48.472 Right. 2901 02:37:50.007 --> 02:37:52.084 Any other discussion, I think we did a great job 2902 02:37:52.084 --> 02:37:53.658 of trying to get through all of that, 2903 02:37:53.658 --> 02:37:54.828 now we'll be able to just work 2904 02:37:54.828 --> 02:37:57.847 on the people's business starting first thing on Tuesday. 2905 02:37:57.847 --> 02:37:59.313 Members, thank you so much, 2906 02:37:59.313 --> 02:38:00.845 and we will see you Tuesday morning 2907 02:38:00.845 --> 02:38:03.573 at the regular nine o'clock. 2908 02:38:03.573 --> 02:38:05.160 Nine o'clock. 2909 02:38:05.160 --> 02:38:05.993 Meeting's adjourned. 2910 02:38:05.993 --> 02:38:08.660 (gavel strikes)