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<v ->If I could get everybody's attention,</v>

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we've got a lot of excitement going on here,

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and a lot of things to do, and the first thing

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I'd like to do, though, is all of

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our elected representatives, I mean,

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we usually don't get as much,

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as many elected representatives here.

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We want to make sure and recognize all of you,

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to stand with the board, so I'd love

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all of the board members to come in the center

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of the circle if you would, both the new board members,

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the ones we're going to be swearing in

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as well as all the board members, just gather in the circle.

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And if all of our representatives,

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I know I saw Representative Allen and I'm not sure,

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and of course obviously, Senator Taylor is here.

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And I'm not sure who all else has come.

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Yes, Speaker Bonnen is here.

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<v ->His brother, Dr. Bonnen is a State Rep.</v>

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<v ->Okay.</v>

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<v ->And then there's a number of...</v>

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<v ->Dr. Bonnen I think is here.</v>

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And Thompson.

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I just would like all the elected representatives

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to stand in here with all of our members.

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And the commissioner.

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We're just going to take a quick picture.

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Members, this is quite an honor

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to have so many people come out today

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and celebrate with us, the coming in

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of three new members and coming back

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of four more members, we're very excited about this day.

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We've really been looking forward to it.

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Thanks for being here for us.

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And so now we're going to have the swearing in ceremony.

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We're going to, I'd like to welcome...

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Like to definitely welcome Senator Taylor

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and all of our representatives that are here.

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And I want to make sure I name all of them.

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Do you have that list of everybody?

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Fantastic.

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Senator Taylor, Representative Alma Allen,

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Representative Greg Bonnen, and Representative Thompson.

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So honored to have all of you here with us today.

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And I would like to call on Gina Perez for the invocation.

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Ms. Perez?

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<v Perez>Yes.</v>

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<v ->Invocation. (laughs)</v>

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<v ->Good morning.</v>

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For--

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This work?

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I've very honored to do the invocation today,

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because many of you may already know this,

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but Aicha not only is my--

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A former protege, and I'm so very proud of you

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for being here this morning,

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so thank you for allowing me to do this for you today.

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If you will all join me, please.

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Heavenly Father,

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we gather here today in fellowship to do Your work.

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We come to this place from different towns, homes,

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backgrounds, and walks of life.

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United in the idea of what is,

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of doing what is best for Texas students and families.

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Father, we ask that, in this new year,

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a year of new beginnings and new faces,

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that you point us all in the direction of Your will.

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We ask You, Father, that You renew our faith

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in the work we do, and that You grant us

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wisdom in the choices we make.

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And that You soften our hearts

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in times of dissent and disagreement.

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Calm our minds so that we

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can truly hear one another and have a better understanding.

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Let us not be stubborn or unwilling to listen

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to all of your children.

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Even with those we disagree.

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Remind us every hour of every day

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why each of us are here in service.

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We ask this in Your Holy Name, Amen.

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<v Bahorich>...call on Member Hardy to give the pledges.</v>

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<v ->Yes, would the audience please stand?</v>

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I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the Republic, for which it stands.

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One nation, under God, indivisible

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with liberty and justice for all.

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Remain standing for the Texas flag.

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Honor the Texas flag.

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I pledge allegiance to thee.

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Texas, one state under God,

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one and indivisible.

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Thank you.

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<v ->I'd like to welcome Senator Taylor,</v>

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if you would, to come to the podium.

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And I'd like to ask the seven recently elected members

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to come to the center of the circle.

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<v ->Thank you, Madam Chair.</v>

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We gather today on a great day

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of celebrating elections and re-elections.

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And I'm honored to be invited to be here

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to do the swearing in of our folks, today.

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Yeah, we had the same deal

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with the School Finance Commission,

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these things just get tired and they turn off.

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By the way, I'm especially glad

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to be able to get here today.

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It's quite difficult, as you might imagine,

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to get here from the capitol.

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Thanks for the heads up on that.

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I didn't know if y'all even wanted us

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to come or not, after all.

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But once I climbed the fence and people quit yelling at me--

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(laughter)

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Things went well.

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But anyway, I'm just honored to be here today.

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We are working on great things in education.

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And this body, in conjunction with our legislature,

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the governor, and our commissioners here as well today,

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we are in the middle of great things for Texas,

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and I'm excited about the things

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that are going to be happening this session.

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And I'm excited to work with you,

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and I hope you'll follow the example

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of the School Finance Commission,

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it was a very diverse group, just as you have here.

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But we had one common goal.

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And that was to work for the children of Texas

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and improve the educational outcomes

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of 5.4 million students.

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That's our charge and I hope you'll take that to heart

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and work together where we can to make sure

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we move this state forward

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in our educational outcome for all of our kids.

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And with that, let's do the oath of office.

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If you would, raise your right hand.

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In the name and by the authority

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of the State of Texas, I, state your name--

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(inductees speaking)

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Do solemnly swear or affirm.

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That I will faithfully execute the duties of the office.

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Of member of the State Board of Education.

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Of the State of Texas.

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And will to the best of my ability.

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Preserve, protect, and defend.

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The Constitution and laws of the United States.

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And of this state.

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So help me, God.

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(inductees repeating)

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Congratulations.

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<v ->...didn't know if you had any other remarks</v>

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that you'd like to add or if that sums it up for you?

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<v ->Well, that pretty well sums it up,</v>

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but I just really am excited.

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I think you'll see a lot of horsepower, momentum,

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and just energy towards making these incredible changes

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in our school finance system,

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which if you're not aware,

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only happens about every four years.

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So this is a crucial time and to get this done

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during this session is very important for our state

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and for our future, and I just really appreciate

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y'all's willingness to step up in a very difficult role

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that you have, but it's so important

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what we do for these kids.

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At the end of the day,

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people ask me all the time, is this fun?

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I wouldn't describe all of it as fun,

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some of it's funner than others.

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But at the end of the day when I look back,

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the things that we accomplish make it all worthwhile,

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and I hope you have the same experience

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here on the Board of Education.

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Thank y'all very much.

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<v Bahorich>Absolutely.</v>

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Thank you for coming.

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<v ->Thank you all.</v>

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<v Bahorich>Thank you so much.</v>

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<v ->Let me know when I can help.</v>

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<v ->Absolutely.</v>

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And I'd like to point out,

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I believe Representative Middleton has come in to the room,

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I just wanted to point out that he's here to visit with us.

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Any other representatives or senators that have come?

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<v ->...you know is a--</v>

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<v Bahorich>Absolutely.</v>

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<v ->Show support and appreciation for your work.</v>

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<v ->Thank you, Representative Hinojosa.</v>

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Thank you so much.

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Any others, did I miss any others?

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Wonderful, well, we feel very uptown today

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with this many people coming (laughs)

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to participate with us today in this exciting event.

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So thank you so much for coming.

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I'd like to also, we've got a tight timeline,

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we're just going to take a quick ten-minute break

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to grab lunch, this in the alcove right here.

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And set up and then we're going to ask the mariachi band

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to go ahead and get in here

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and get ready and we will all be able to enjoy that.

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A very special presentation with them today.

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And then Ruben Cortez, Member Cortez is going

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to introduce them here after we take this short ten minutes.

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Just to grab lunch here.

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<v ->Well good morning, everybody!</v>

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If I can get your attention,

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we have a special treat for the board

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and for all of those that are joining us today

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as we took our ceremonial oath of office.

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We have the mariachi from Edcouch-Elsa,

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Mariachi Juvenil Azteca.

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For those of you that aren't aware,

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mariachi just became a UIL activity a few years ago.

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And Edouch-Elsa established this program back in 2005

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and it's quickly gained notoriety and recognition

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not only across the state but across the nation

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as one of the premier mariachi ensembles.

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Along their countless accolades,

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there are the Grand Championship Awards

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that Mariachi Juvenil Azteca has shared the stage

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with artists such as Mariachi del Sol Mexico,

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Mariachi Vargas de Tecalitlán.

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Their captivating show music has earned them

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performances around the state as well as

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presentations in California and in Florda.

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This year, Mariachi Juvenil Azteca was selected

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to perform at the National School Boards Association

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Conference in Philadelphia.

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I believe they will be the first ever mariachi ensemble

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to perform at the National School Boards Association

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Conference, if I'm not mistaken.

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And in 2018, Mariachi Juvenil Azteca was awarded

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the coveted title of Mariachi State Champions

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for 5A Division in the Texas Association

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of Mariachi Educators.

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Most recently, Mariachi Juvenil Azteca

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was crowned national champions

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at the 24th annual Mariachi Vargas Extravaganza

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in San Antonio, Texas.

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Mariachi Juvenil Azteca is under the direction

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of head director Marcos Garcia

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and assistant directors Manuel Farrar and Michael C. Dodd.

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And we have some other attendees from the district,

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but I'll recognize them after you hear

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from these amazing students

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who I'm very proud of and I'm very happy

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that we have La Machina in the house

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to perform at such an amazing time for us.

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Thank you guys.

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I hope you all like what you hear.

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(uptempo mariachi music)

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(Spanish language singing)

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(applause)

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<v ->Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf</v>

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of the entire school district,

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thank you for the opportunity to be here

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and showcase these wonderful talents.

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It's not often that we get to come play

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for such prestige, and we're very honored

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and very privileged to be here.

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My name is Marcos Garcia, I'm the director

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of the Mariachi, and I'm

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the proud, proud director of these students.

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They've worked tremendously hard

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to get to where they are today.

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We have a ten-year program that we've built,

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like flowerbeds, and I'm very proud of the outcome

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and the quality that we have today.

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We want to dedicate this next song to a good friend of ours,

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Mr. Ruben Cortez, he shared with me

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that he had a go-to song, a very special song

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for him that was his chicken soup for the soul, he said.

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And we said, yeah, we can do that,

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even though it's not traditional mariachi,

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we can accomplish anything at Edcouch-Elsa.

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So this song is dedicated to him,

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it's entitled Reckless Love.

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(uptempo mariachi music)

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♪ Before I spoke a word, You were singing over me ♪

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♪ You have been so, so good to me ♪

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♪ Before I took a breath, You breathed Your life in me ♪

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♪ You have been so, so kind to me ♪

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♪ Oh the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God ♪

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♪ Oh it chases me down, fights 'til I'm found, leaves the 99 ♪

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♪ I couldn't earn it and I don't deserve it ♪

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♪ Still You give Yourself away ♪

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♪ Oh the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God ♪

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♪ When I was your foe, still Your love fought for me ♪

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♪ You have been so, so good to me ♪

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♪ When I felt no worth, You paid it all for me ♪

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♪ You have been so, so kind to me ♪

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♪ Oh the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God ♪

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♪ Oh it chases me down, fights 'til I'm found, leaves the 99 ♪

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♪ And I couldn't earn it, and I don't deserve it ♪

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♪ Still You gave Yourself away ♪

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♪ Oh the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God ♪

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(applause)

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<v ->This next selection, we dedicate it</v>

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to all the teachers at our district this year,

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and turned out to be a hit on social media,

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so we're gonna share with you guys,

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it's an oldie but goodie by the title of Stand By Me.

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(uptempo mariachi music)

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♪ When the night has come ♪

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♪ And the land is dark ♪

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♪ And the moon is the only light we'll see ♪

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♪ No I won't be afraid, no I won't be afraid ♪

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♪ Just as long as you stand, stand by me ♪

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♪ So darlin', darlin', stand by me ♪

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♪ Oh stand by me ♪

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♪ Stand, stand by me, stand by me ♪

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♪ If the sky that we look upon ♪

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♪ Should tumble and fall ♪

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♪ Or the mountains should crumble to the sea ♪

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♪ I won't cry, I won't cry, no I won't shed a tear ♪

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♪ Just as long as you stand, stand by me ♪

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♪ And darlin', darlin', stand by me ♪

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♪ Oh stand by me ♪

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♪ Oh stand, stand by me, stand by me ♪

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♪ And darlin', darlin', stand by me ♪

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♪ Oh stand by me ♪

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♪ Just as long as you stand, stand by me ♪

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♪ And darlin', darlin', stand by me ♪

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♪ Ooh stand by me ♪

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♪ Oh stand ♪

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♪ Stand by me ♪

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(applause)

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<v ->Thank you very much, thank you.</v>

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This next selection is one that we like to brag

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about our great state of Texas.

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Everywhere that we go, we tell everybody

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that we are the greatest state in the nation.

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So this is a little tribute

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to our Lone Star State, it's called our Lone Star Medley.

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(upbeat mariachi music)

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(medley tune, "The Eyes of Texas")

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(medley tune, "The Yellow Rose of Texas")

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(audience claps in time)

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(medley tune, "San Antonio Rose")

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(applause)

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<v ->Thank you so much for the applause,</v>

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we have one last song,

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this is our award-winning show song

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that we won our national title.

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We take a lot of pride in that

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because we did beat the 6A champs

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and the 4A champs at that one,

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and we are the current reigning 5A champs.

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So we brag to everybody how good the program is,

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but we can't have this without you guys

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starting from the top down,

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so we appreciate everything you do,

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our board of trustees, our superintendents, amazing support.

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These guys give us everything that we ask for.

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And we do ask for a lot.

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But we are very blessed to have that support.

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And we can't do this without you,

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so thank you for everything that you do

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for our education system.

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It's truly a blessing to come

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and share what we do down here at the bottom with you guys.

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Okay, so this is our award-winning song,

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it's a tribute to Vera Cruz,

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and you're going to see a lot of showing off.

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We have tremendous instruments and vocalists in our group,

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so you'll see the violin section,

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the trumpet section, everybody taking a little piece

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of the pie and show off.

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And this is a tribute to Vera Cruz.

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(uptempo mariachi music)

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(singing in Spanish)

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(applause)

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<v ->Wow, what an amazing, amazing performance.</v>

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You know,

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Marco, I don't know, and it wasn't on my sheet here,

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but remember when I was with you guys

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at the district early last year.

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You all had the number one vocalist, is that true?

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<v Marco>That's correct as well.</v>

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<v ->The number four vocalist?</v>

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Number seven?

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And the number 26?

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Is that right?

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<v ->Out of 25 entire vocalists</v>

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in a separate competition, we had four finalists,

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so there were four of 25 vocalists,

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and then we did bring back the best in the nation vocalist,

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so it's the Best in the US they call it.

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With Natanya Flores.

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(applause)

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And we also have brought back second overall

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in the high school, and that was Anisa Solis.

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(applause)

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<v ->It's clear to see why you guys</v>

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are the number one ranked mariachi in the country.

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You guys, I'm very proud of you guys,

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(applause)

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I love coming over when you guys invite me.

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I posted a video of them on my social media page

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early last year, I had lunch with them in San Antonio

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after they performed at the Gonzalez Convention Center.

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And they had already hit over 100,000 likes,

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it was a video from what you all did

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at your performing arts center there at the school district.

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So very proud of this group.

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And you left me breathless, man, when they played that song.

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I listen to it every morning,

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I listened to it this morning

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on my way to the gym, it's a good way to start my day.

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I think this is a good way with that song, Reckless Love,

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to begin our first session of this new Board of Education,

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so I'm very, very proud of you guys.

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And I have something that I want

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to just present to you guys.

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And I want to recognize all those others

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that are in attendance here from Edcouch,

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we have our superintendent,

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Mr. Cavasos, Ron Cavasos.

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(applause)

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We have our assistant superintendent

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from Edcouch-Elsa, Mrs. Francis Rocha.

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(applause)

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I believe our principal didn't make it, right?

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But our principal for the campus at Edcouch High School

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is Jorge Gutierrez, but with us today we have two

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of my good friends that serve on the board there,

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Mr. Tony Barco, long time friend, and Chris Morales--

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(applause)

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Thank you guys for continuing to invest in this program

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and all the other programs that La Machina

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has in the delta area, very, very proud of you guys.

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And we also have our executive director from Region One,

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Cornelio Gonzales was here a minute ago,

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I think he had to leave.

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But I have this certificate of special recognition

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from the Board of Education that I'd like to present to you,

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Marcos, on behalf of all of us

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and for your students in participation today.

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Thank you guys very much.

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<v ->Thank you very much.</v>

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(applause)

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I hope you liked it.

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(applause)

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<v ->That concludes our ceremony for the swearing in</v>

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of our members, and I'm going to take

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just a very quick five-minute break

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at this point to allow folks to leave

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if you'd like to, 'cause we are about

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to talk about something super exciting

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and that is the review and adoption

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of State Board of Education rules.

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Members, we'll go ahead and begin with our business

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of review and adoption of the State Board of Education

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operating rules, I did not understand why the room cleared.

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Because this is going to be

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a compelling conversation, I am sure.

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So. (laughs)

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Yeah.

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Okay, members, let's go ahead and get back together.

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(gavel strikes)

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All right, my intention, members, is to,

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and I am so grateful for all of you

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who submitted the rules to Debbie last Friday

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so we can send it out to give notification to everyone,

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so we both have time to think about the rule changes

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and if they agreed or disagreed,

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hopefully that'll help us move along.

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'Cause as you know, we need

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to get out of here at 2:30, and it's driving me...

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(no audio)

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So I have to look at my clock,

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so keep us on track for 2:30, if you would.

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And to make sure, so we need to get through the,

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if you'll look at the agenda,

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we've gotta get through the adoption,

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review and adoption of the rules

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and the election of State Board officers

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and the announcement of membership of committees,

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hopefully by 2:30 today,

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so we'll try our best to get through there,

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and anything lingering we will continue

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first thing tomorrow if we didn't get through

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all of those agenda items.

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Yes, so Ms. Ratcliffe?

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<v ->Good morning, board members and welcome,</v>

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especially, to our new friends in circle.

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We are about to start the operating rules,

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but during the break, I also put

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your committee preference sheet on your table

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so if there's a lull in the action

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and you want to go ahead

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and write down your top two choices,

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feel free to go ahead and do that to speed us along later.

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<v ->And I would like just to interject,</v>

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if you don't really care between a committee,

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like one committee and another committee,

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put one or two, one or two,

517
00:40:32.767 --> 00:40:35.427
and that makes us know that you don't care really,

518
00:40:35.427 --> 00:40:37.024
this is not necessarily your first

519
00:40:37.024 --> 00:40:38.931
and this is not necessarily your second.

520
00:40:38.931 --> 00:40:40.924
So if you don't really care among the committees,

521
00:40:40.924 --> 00:40:42.633
that would be helpful.

522
00:40:42.633 --> 00:40:45.383
Just for the officers to look at.

523
00:40:47.178 --> 00:40:48.523
Does that make sense to everybody?

524
00:40:48.523 --> 00:40:49.867
You can put one or two, whatever,

525
00:40:49.867 --> 00:40:52.117
for your first two choices.

526
00:40:53.511 --> 00:40:55.574
<v ->And now as we start the operating rules,</v>

527
00:40:55.574 --> 00:40:57.641
if you're following along on your electr--

528
00:40:57.641 --> 00:40:59.141
I have yours, yes.

529
00:41:00.710 --> 00:41:03.119
If you're following along on your electronic agenda,

530
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:07.702
it's on page SBOE-3 and if you're using your bookmarks,

531
00:41:10.504 --> 00:41:15.504
you go to the bookmark called State Board of Education,

532
00:41:15.631 --> 00:41:18.504
June 28th, and then click on that,

533
00:41:18.504 --> 00:41:21.254
and today's agenda will download.

534
00:41:22.619 --> 00:41:24.258
Will drop down.

535
00:41:24.258 --> 00:41:25.570
And this actual item is called

536
00:41:25.570 --> 00:41:29.228
Review and Adoption of SBOE Operating Rules.

537
00:41:29.228 --> 00:41:32.080
You also have on your desk, in case you,

538
00:41:32.080 --> 00:41:34.484
we all need a slower transition,

539
00:41:34.484 --> 00:41:37.967
you have a printout of what was in your agenda

540
00:41:37.967 --> 00:41:40.613
which are the staff proposed changes.

541
00:41:40.613 --> 00:41:42.836
Another document called Draft Amendments

542
00:41:42.836 --> 00:41:45.141
to State Board of Education Operating Rules,

543
00:41:45.141 --> 00:41:49.641
that's what members are likely to propose later today.

544
00:41:50.656 --> 00:41:52.853
So most of the, it looks like a lot of changes,

545
00:41:52.853 --> 00:41:54.709
most of them are cleanup related

546
00:41:54.709 --> 00:41:58.195
to technology or staffing changes.

547
00:41:58.195 --> 00:42:00.448
So we'll go ahead and start, the first one

548
00:42:00.448 --> 00:42:04.362
is found on SBOE-3, it's simply a date change

549
00:42:04.362 --> 00:42:06.981
to reflect what we hope will be adoption

550
00:42:06.981 --> 00:42:09.064
of the rules later today.

551
00:42:10.386 --> 00:42:11.969
And then I believe,

552
00:42:14.994 --> 00:42:18.796
we thought we'd walk through it by sections.

553
00:42:18.796 --> 00:42:20.609
And then I believe Mr. Maynard

554
00:42:20.609 --> 00:42:24.276
actually has the next amendment and that's--

555
00:42:26.870 --> 00:42:28.367
Exactly, 1.2-E.

556
00:42:28.367 --> 00:42:29.950
<v Bahorich>1.2-E.</v>

557
00:42:31.149 --> 00:42:32.398
Does everybody know where we are?

558
00:42:32.398 --> 00:42:35.414
<v ->And that deals with the ad-hoc committees.</v>

559
00:42:35.414 --> 00:42:36.831
<v Bahorich>Yes.</v>

560
00:42:41.654 --> 00:42:42.846
<v Maynard>Madam Chair, are you ready for that?</v>

561
00:42:42.846 --> 00:42:45.092
<v Bahorich>Yes, why don't you go ahead?</v>

562
00:42:45.092 --> 00:42:48.759
<v Maynard>Yeah, members, in section 1.2-E,</v>

563
00:42:50.143 --> 00:42:53.042
the amendment is to strike

564
00:42:53.042 --> 00:42:56.292
the word shall and insert the word may.

565
00:43:00.147 --> 00:43:02.509
<v ->And everybody can see the rationale there,</v>

566
00:43:02.509 --> 00:43:05.676
is there any, if there's no objection?

567
00:43:09.131 --> 00:43:11.853
We'll go ahead and accept that change.

568
00:43:11.853 --> 00:43:13.603
All right, moving on.

569
00:43:14.609 --> 00:43:17.009
And I believe you've got 1.2-F.

570
00:43:17.009 --> 00:43:17.842
<v Maynard>And that, yeah,</v>

571
00:43:17.842 --> 00:43:19.733
I've actually got the next eight, I think, so--

572
00:43:19.733 --> 00:43:21.301
<v Bahorich>Okay.</v>

573
00:43:21.301 --> 00:43:24.644
<v ->My second amendment is to insert</v>

574
00:43:24.644 --> 00:43:26.912
the word the chair or commissioner may request

575
00:43:26.912 --> 00:43:30.370
Attorney General, request the Attorney General

576
00:43:30.370 --> 00:43:35.037
to issue an opinion under Texas government code 402.042.

577
00:43:36.499 --> 00:43:39.216
<v ->And everybody can see the rationale there.</v>

578
00:43:39.216 --> 00:43:41.883
Any objection to that amendment?

579
00:43:43.139 --> 00:43:44.726
Just to make it clear in rule.

580
00:43:44.726 --> 00:43:46.059
Yes, Mr. Cortez?

581
00:43:47.007 --> 00:43:49.635
<v Cortez>What is it currently to request,</v>

582
00:43:49.635 --> 00:43:54.635
what is the process currently, any one of us can ask?

583
00:43:54.877 --> 00:43:56.570
(indistinct audio from Maynard)

584
00:43:56.570 --> 00:43:57.636
<v Bahorich>Yeah, Mr. Maynard,</v>

585
00:43:57.636 --> 00:43:59.059
you looked into this, go ahead.

586
00:43:59.059 --> 00:44:03.064
<v ->Yeah and so, just to clarify that, you know,</v>

587
00:44:03.064 --> 00:44:04.081
I know that from time to time

588
00:44:04.081 --> 00:44:05.754
that there have been questions

589
00:44:05.754 --> 00:44:07.943
about an Attorney General opinion.

590
00:44:07.943 --> 00:44:09.816
As it turns out, the government code

591
00:44:09.816 --> 00:44:12.075
specifies who can request that.

592
00:44:12.075 --> 00:44:14.092
I just thought that it would be useful

593
00:44:14.092 --> 00:44:15.850
to go ahead and to capture that piece

594
00:44:15.850 --> 00:44:18.339
of the government code to put it in our rules

595
00:44:18.339 --> 00:44:20.251
to keep someone from having to consult

596
00:44:20.251 --> 00:44:24.456
another document to go find out what that is.

597
00:44:24.456 --> 00:44:27.677
<v ->So we're just adding that to our rule as a clarification.</v>

598
00:44:27.677 --> 00:44:29.541
Any objection to that amendment?

599
00:44:29.541 --> 00:44:32.791
Hearing none, the amendment is adopted.

600
00:44:36.838 --> 00:44:37.671
Is that--

601
00:44:37.671 --> 00:44:38.769
<v Ratcliffe>I believe the next amendment</v>

602
00:44:38.769 --> 00:44:40.168
would deal with seating.

603
00:44:40.168 --> 00:44:41.001
<v ->2.1.</v>

604
00:44:42.867 --> 00:44:43.700
Oh.

605
00:44:45.263 --> 00:44:46.474
<v Ratcliffe>Well, 1.3.</v>

606
00:44:46.474 --> 00:44:48.307
<v ->Oh, I see 1.3, yeah.</v>

607
00:44:53.124 --> 00:44:54.291
<v ->Madam Chair.</v>

608
00:44:57.701 --> 00:44:59.118
I'm going to make

609
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:05.166
this motion on behalf of the Chair of the State Board.

610
00:45:05.166 --> 00:45:08.424
And because this is a motion dealing with seating,

611
00:45:08.424 --> 00:45:10.655
I thought that if I had the opportunity to make this motion

612
00:45:10.655 --> 00:45:12.652
that that would sort of by default

613
00:45:12.652 --> 00:45:14.382
make me the Chairman of the Board.

614
00:45:14.382 --> 00:45:15.984
Because it has to do with seating.

615
00:45:15.984 --> 00:45:19.151
(indistinct speaking)

616
00:45:21.030 --> 00:45:22.027
<v Bahorich>Ta-da, done.</v>

617
00:45:22.027 --> 00:45:22.860
Okay.

618
00:45:24.361 --> 00:45:25.361
<v ->All right.</v>

619
00:45:27.106 --> 00:45:30.106
The amendment is to insert the words

620
00:45:32.097 --> 00:45:36.847
and vice chair after chair, and after the word districts,

621
00:45:37.989 --> 00:45:41.026
the seating for the remaining 13 members

622
00:45:41.026 --> 00:45:43.811
will be rotated annually at the first board meeting

623
00:45:43.811 --> 00:45:45.561
of the calender year.

624
00:45:48.806 --> 00:45:53.223
<v Bahorich>I think everybody can see the rationale.</v>

625
00:45:54.726 --> 00:45:55.559
There.

626
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:57.781
Does everybody have the sheet

627
00:45:57.781 --> 00:46:00.283
that has all the rationale and everything on there?

628
00:46:00.283 --> 00:46:01.789
(indistinct responses)

629
00:46:01.789 --> 00:46:05.371
Six of this document that has the,

630
00:46:05.371 --> 00:46:06.860
at front says Draft Amendments

631
00:46:06.860 --> 00:46:09.658
to the State Board of Education Operating Rules.

632
00:46:09.658 --> 00:46:12.255
Just to be sure, yes, Dr. Ellis.

633
00:46:12.255 --> 00:46:14.295
<v Ellis>I would consider also if the board</v>

634
00:46:14.295 --> 00:46:16.391
is willing to have the secretary stay

635
00:46:16.391 --> 00:46:21.058
in the same area as the other members of the leadership.

636
00:46:23.799 --> 00:46:26.962
<v ->So that would be amending an amendment,</v>

637
00:46:26.962 --> 00:46:29.649
any second to that amendment?

638
00:46:29.649 --> 00:46:30.859
Second?

639
00:46:30.859 --> 00:46:33.970
Any discussion on that particular amendment?

640
00:46:33.970 --> 00:46:36.078
So it would keep the chair, vice chair,

641
00:46:36.078 --> 00:46:38.995
and secretary in the same position.

642
00:46:42.523 --> 00:46:43.871
Hearing none, okay.

643
00:46:43.871 --> 00:46:45.377
That amendment is adopted.

644
00:46:45.377 --> 00:46:47.544
Any other change to the...

645
00:46:49.283 --> 00:46:51.283
To the, yes, Mr. Cortez?

646
00:46:52.513 --> 00:46:53.846
<v Cortez>So...</v>

647
00:46:56.901 --> 00:46:59.446
I guess it's my understanding that,

648
00:46:59.446 --> 00:47:02.066
I guess, prior to my arrival, at least on this board,

649
00:47:02.066 --> 00:47:04.437
this had been attempted before.

650
00:47:04.437 --> 00:47:08.038
At least that's my understanding by Member Bradley.

651
00:47:08.038 --> 00:47:09.874
And that the community complained

652
00:47:09.874 --> 00:47:11.534
because they didn't know where we were seated

653
00:47:11.534 --> 00:47:13.856
and that's why we're now by number.

654
00:47:13.856 --> 00:47:15.053
So that when they're out there,

655
00:47:15.053 --> 00:47:20.053
they can see, okay, that's one, two, three, so on, so forth.

656
00:47:20.607 --> 00:47:23.763
So, and I just want to point that out,

657
00:47:23.763 --> 00:47:26.284
and I know the last two times

658
00:47:26.284 --> 00:47:28.135
that we've gone through this process

659
00:47:28.135 --> 00:47:31.025
this has been brought up as well.

660
00:47:31.025 --> 00:47:33.442
And that seemed to be I guess

661
00:47:34.530 --> 00:47:37.042
what we kept coming back to was

662
00:47:37.042 --> 00:47:40.051
that this experiment had failed in the past.

663
00:47:40.051 --> 00:47:41.529
Which is why it went to this.

664
00:47:41.529 --> 00:47:44.798
When we arrived, and we arrived at the same time.

665
00:47:44.798 --> 00:47:48.089
So just throwing that out there.

666
00:47:48.089 --> 00:47:49.819
<v ->Right, just as a point of clarification</v>

667
00:47:49.819 --> 00:47:51.931
that was really a seniority thing

668
00:47:51.931 --> 00:47:55.495
that was tried before that we picked seats by seniority.

669
00:47:55.495 --> 00:47:57.305
And you're right, that did fail.

670
00:47:57.305 --> 00:47:59.857
But this is still, the idea,

671
00:47:59.857 --> 00:48:04.370
this idea is to maintain the order but rotate the order.

672
00:48:04.370 --> 00:48:05.891
So that everyone gets an opportunity

673
00:48:05.891 --> 00:48:08.808
both every three years as explained

674
00:48:09.892 --> 00:48:11.893
in here to have both the best seats

675
00:48:11.893 --> 00:48:15.666
and the worst seat every three years.

676
00:48:15.666 --> 00:48:18.935
And the in-between seat every three years.

677
00:48:18.935 --> 00:48:20.749
Yes, Mr. Allen?

678
00:48:20.749 --> 00:48:22.323
<v Allen>Is this going to be the room change now,</v>

679
00:48:22.323 --> 00:48:23.468
does that mean we're going to stay

680
00:48:23.468 --> 00:48:25.300
where we are for the next three years?

681
00:48:25.300 --> 00:48:26.489
And then a little change?

682
00:48:26.489 --> 00:48:31.489
<v ->(laughs) No, it'd be rotating at this meeting.</v>

683
00:48:31.825 --> 00:48:33.265
If this adopts--

684
00:48:33.265 --> 00:48:34.878
<v Allen>It's going to click one time?</v>

685
00:48:34.878 --> 00:48:36.969
<v ->So tomorrow we would click a new rotation.</v>

686
00:48:36.969 --> 00:48:38.276
<v Allen>Click one time?</v>

687
00:48:38.276 --> 00:48:40.937
<v ->Yeah, click one time, and it would stay for a year.</v>

688
00:48:40.937 --> 00:48:42.750
<v Allen>So that means I would go from here to here?</v>

689
00:48:42.750 --> 00:48:45.906
<v ->You would go from here to...</v>

690
00:48:45.906 --> 00:48:48.349
Let me see, you are right now.

691
00:48:48.349 --> 00:48:50.188
<v Ratcliffe>There should be a chart on your desk.</v>

692
00:48:50.188 --> 00:48:51.197
<v Allen>We added something different a minute ago</v>

693
00:48:51.197 --> 00:48:52.944
in the conversation, we moved the secretary

694
00:48:52.944 --> 00:48:54.437
in a stationary position as well,

695
00:48:54.437 --> 00:48:56.949
so this is inaccurate, the drawing anymore.

696
00:48:56.949 --> 00:48:58.714
(people chattering)

697
00:48:58.714 --> 00:49:01.631
Right, so what I'm saying is now...

698
00:49:03.074 --> 00:49:06.068
I would be, no, I wouldn't be where Ellis is at.

699
00:49:06.068 --> 00:49:09.068
(people chattering)

700
00:49:10.953 --> 00:49:13.054
<v ->It would be rotating in sections.</v>

701
00:49:13.054 --> 00:49:14.853
<v Allen>If this stays?</v>

702
00:49:14.853 --> 00:49:16.399
<v ->Yeah, right.</v>

703
00:49:16.399 --> 00:49:17.232
That's right.

704
00:49:17.232 --> 00:49:18.996
In sections, still maintaining the order,

705
00:49:18.996 --> 00:49:21.079
but rotating in sections.

706
00:49:22.693 --> 00:49:23.550
<v Allen>No, I would rather stay</v>

707
00:49:23.550 --> 00:49:25.087
where I'm at for the next three years

708
00:49:25.087 --> 00:49:27.004
and then make a change.

709
00:49:28.290 --> 00:49:29.747
<v Bahorich>(laughs) Yeah.</v>

710
00:49:29.747 --> 00:49:32.698
<v ->So I don't know, I don't know a reason why,</v>

711
00:49:32.698 --> 00:49:34.948
again, we did prior to that

712
00:49:35.936 --> 00:49:38.853
the seniority was voted in before--

713
00:49:39.955 --> 00:49:42.338
<v Bahorich>Right, before it was changed back to order.</v>

714
00:49:42.338 --> 00:49:44.765
<v ->Senior members got to choose their seating.</v>

715
00:49:44.765 --> 00:49:46.749
And that was in relationship to what goes on

716
00:49:46.749 --> 00:49:48.864
in the capitol and what have you.

717
00:49:48.864 --> 00:49:53.781
And then so I don't know from the maker of this amendment

718
00:49:53.781 --> 00:49:57.088
what's the advantages to this or,

719
00:49:57.088 --> 00:49:58.112
'cause this sequential order

720
00:49:58.112 --> 00:49:59.594
and what we're having now is always been

721
00:49:59.594 --> 00:50:01.830
just a simple concept, but what are the advantages

722
00:50:01.830 --> 00:50:03.141
to making this change?

723
00:50:03.141 --> 00:50:05.473
<v ->Well, if you look at the rationale right there</v>

724
00:50:05.473 --> 00:50:07.680
on page six, I don't know if you see that

725
00:50:07.680 --> 00:50:09.752
in the middle of the page there.

726
00:50:09.752 --> 00:50:11.644
Says that this change will enable all members

727
00:50:11.644 --> 00:50:13.784
to have the benefit of sitting in the best,

728
00:50:13.784 --> 00:50:16.627
the okay, and the worst seats over a three year

729
00:50:16.627 --> 00:50:18.758
rotation period while still maintaining

730
00:50:18.758 --> 00:50:21.993
the seating in the district order.

731
00:50:21.993 --> 00:50:24.576
And, you know, I would maintain

732
00:50:25.426 --> 00:50:28.375
that just because you're districts 12 and 13

733
00:50:28.375 --> 00:50:31.980
that our new members here are occupying,

734
00:50:31.980 --> 00:50:35.421
should not mean you always have your back to the testifiers.

735
00:50:35.421 --> 00:50:38.741
And just because you're in districts 12 and 13.

736
00:50:38.741 --> 00:50:42.331
So the idea is that everyone would have an opportunity

737
00:50:42.331 --> 00:50:45.449
to rotate around the circle over a three-year time period,

738
00:50:45.449 --> 00:50:50.352
and everyone would get both the opportunity to sit where,

739
00:50:50.352 --> 00:50:52.307
with their backs to the windows,

740
00:50:52.307 --> 00:50:56.042
the back to the press and backs to the testifiers,

741
00:50:56.042 --> 00:50:57.819
so that we all kind of share equally,

742
00:50:57.819 --> 00:51:00.775
both in the good seats, the so-so seats,

743
00:51:00.775 --> 00:51:02.343
and the ones that are not that great.

744
00:51:02.343 --> 00:51:03.677
<v Allen>The thing that, I just</v>

745
00:51:03.677 --> 00:51:05.372
never knew we had good seats.

746
00:51:05.372 --> 00:51:06.608
I didn't know we had good seats,

747
00:51:06.608 --> 00:51:08.699
I didn't know we had so-so seats,

748
00:51:08.699 --> 00:51:10.079
I didn't know we had bad seats.

749
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:11.208
I just didn't know that.

750
00:51:11.208 --> 00:51:12.070
<v Bahorich>(laughs) Yeah.</v>

751
00:51:12.070 --> 00:51:12.903
<v ->I didn't know that.</v>

752
00:51:12.903 --> 00:51:14.809
So (laughs)

753
00:51:14.809 --> 00:51:16.942
So I guess I've been here in the good seat

754
00:51:16.942 --> 00:51:19.171
for a long time, I don't know.

755
00:51:19.171 --> 00:51:20.504
So, but I guess.

756
00:51:22.575 --> 00:51:24.687
You say in three years we would make the whole circle?

757
00:51:24.687 --> 00:51:25.520
<v Bahorich>Make the whole circle.</v>

758
00:51:25.520 --> 00:51:27.295
<v ->So we'd move every six months or something?</v>

759
00:51:27.295 --> 00:51:28.128
<v Bahorich>No, no.</v>

760
00:51:28.128 --> 00:51:29.190
Once a year.

761
00:51:29.190 --> 00:51:30.523
Just in January.

762
00:51:31.381 --> 00:51:32.834
Just in January.

763
00:51:32.834 --> 00:51:35.743
(indistinct speakers)

764
00:51:35.743 --> 00:51:36.576
Right.

765
00:51:37.941 --> 00:51:38.774
<v ->Every--</v>

766
00:51:38.774 --> 00:51:42.597
<v ->You'd move in January every year, but in sections.</v>

767
00:51:42.597 --> 00:51:45.273
The chart shows, do you see that chart right here?

768
00:51:45.273 --> 00:51:47.160
<v Allen>I'm not that good, Donna, I see the chart.</v>

769
00:51:47.160 --> 00:51:49.301
(laughter)

770
00:51:49.301 --> 00:51:50.952
<v ->See the chart right there,</v>

771
00:51:50.952 --> 00:51:53.939
so it kind of shows where the arrow where one starts,

772
00:51:53.939 --> 00:51:57.606
district one starts and then it goes around.

773
00:51:58.630 --> 00:51:59.880
<v Allen>Mkay.</v>

774
00:52:00.866 --> 00:52:01.699
All right, I'm--

775
00:52:01.699 --> 00:52:02.742
<v ->You see that, over three years.</v>

776
00:52:02.742 --> 00:52:04.955
<v Allen>I've got the concept, I still find it,</v>

777
00:52:04.955 --> 00:52:06.149
if it makes it fair for everybody

778
00:52:06.149 --> 00:52:09.005
to have their backs turned, not turned, that's fine with me.

779
00:52:09.005 --> 00:52:12.150
But I still think we should start where we are.

780
00:52:12.150 --> 00:52:12.983
<v Bahorich>Yeah.</v>

781
00:52:12.983 --> 00:52:13.816
<v ->But the new members in the circle</v>

782
00:52:13.816 --> 00:52:17.255
so they're not going to see it as good, bad, or indifferent.

783
00:52:17.255 --> 00:52:19.934
Just happy to be in the circle.

784
00:52:19.934 --> 00:52:22.156
<v ->(laughs) Until we told 'em it was bad.</v>

785
00:52:22.156 --> 00:52:23.906
They have a bad seat.

786
00:52:25.295 --> 00:52:26.405
Yeah.

787
00:52:26.405 --> 00:52:28.155
Any other discussion?

788
00:52:30.389 --> 00:52:31.784
I thought, Pat, did you have your hand up?

789
00:52:31.784 --> 00:52:33.076
I thought you had your hand up, no.

790
00:52:33.076 --> 00:52:33.909
<v Allen>I didn't want to take my--</v>

791
00:52:33.909 --> 00:52:35.819
<v ->I'll explain the reasoning, yeah.</v>

792
00:52:35.819 --> 00:52:37.069
Gotcha, gotcha.

793
00:52:38.286 --> 00:52:40.437
Okay, right now, the amendment would say,

794
00:52:40.437 --> 00:52:42.721
with the exception of the chair, vice chair and secretary,

795
00:52:42.721 --> 00:52:43.914
the seating of the board will be

796
00:52:43.914 --> 00:52:45.733
by State Board of Education districts.

797
00:52:45.733 --> 00:52:47.476
The seating for the remaining,

798
00:52:47.476 --> 00:52:50.307
would be 12 members in this case.

799
00:52:50.307 --> 00:52:52.118
The amendment would say 12,

800
00:52:52.118 --> 00:52:54.144
'cause we just passed the secretary one.

801
00:52:54.144 --> 00:52:56.017
12 members would be rotated annually

802
00:52:56.017 --> 00:52:58.370
at the first board meeting of the calendar year.

803
00:52:58.370 --> 00:53:00.121
Any member with a special need

804
00:53:00.121 --> 00:53:02.702
may exchange a seat with another board member

805
00:53:02.702 --> 00:53:04.910
who is in agreement with that exchange.

806
00:53:04.910 --> 00:53:07.212
All those in favor, say aye.

807
00:53:07.212 --> 00:53:08.045
(multiple responding)

808
00:53:08.045 --> 00:53:09.356
All those opposed say no.

809
00:53:09.356 --> 00:53:10.768
<v Allen>No.</v>

810
00:53:10.768 --> 00:53:12.310
<v ->Okay, why don't we just hold our hands up.</v>

811
00:53:12.310 --> 00:53:14.661
All those in favor, let's just hold our hands up.

812
00:53:14.661 --> 00:53:16.459
<v Male Speaker>The windows caucus is opposed to it.</v>

813
00:53:16.459 --> 00:53:20.908
<v ->Yeah, the windows caucus is opposed. (laughter)</v>

814
00:53:20.908 --> 00:53:23.991
All those in favor, raise your hands.

815
00:53:26.311 --> 00:53:27.728
How many is that?

816
00:53:32.176 --> 00:53:33.009
Okay.

817
00:53:33.009 --> 00:53:36.093
All those opposed, raise your hand.

818
00:53:36.093 --> 00:53:38.443
Okay, the motion carries.

819
00:53:38.443 --> 00:53:39.637
All right.

820
00:53:39.637 --> 00:53:40.852
Okay, next one.

821
00:53:40.852 --> 00:53:42.445
Let's move on.

822
00:53:42.445 --> 00:53:45.491
Next one, Mr. Maynard, keep up with this here

823
00:53:45.491 --> 00:53:48.909
so I don't skip whatever's might be next.

824
00:53:48.909 --> 00:53:50.159
Or is it staff?

825
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:52.975
<v Ratcliffe>There are some other amendments</v>

826
00:53:52.975 --> 00:53:55.807
potentially coming that deal with 1.2,

827
00:53:55.807 --> 00:54:00.234
but they also impact the resolution at the end, so...

828
00:54:00.234 --> 00:54:01.570
<v ->Oh, maybe wait?</v>

829
00:54:01.570 --> 00:54:02.403
<v Ratcliffe>Yeah.</v>

830
00:54:02.403 --> 00:54:04.037
<v ->Until we get that, okay.</v>

831
00:54:04.037 --> 00:54:05.383
That'd be fine.

832
00:54:05.383 --> 00:54:06.216
So, okay.

833
00:54:10.043 --> 00:54:12.383
<v Ratcliffe>And we're moving to chapter two</v>

834
00:54:12.383 --> 00:54:16.050
and on 2.1, it's been suggested that we add,

835
00:54:17.410 --> 00:54:19.278
this deals with if there's not a quorum

836
00:54:19.278 --> 00:54:20.474
at the board meeting,

837
00:54:20.474 --> 00:54:22.351
to add the words "shall be recessed"

838
00:54:22.351 --> 00:54:24.841
and add "or adjourned" just so

839
00:54:24.841 --> 00:54:28.174
we are covering our legal options there.

840
00:54:29.056 --> 00:54:32.255
<v ->Any objection to that change.</v>

841
00:54:32.255 --> 00:54:33.338
Hearing none.

842
00:54:34.381 --> 00:54:37.631
2.1 on page SBOE-5 on the main document

843
00:54:38.826 --> 00:54:41.132
that staff put together for us.

844
00:54:41.132 --> 00:54:41.974
Okay.

845
00:54:41.974 --> 00:54:43.633
All right.

846
00:54:43.633 --> 00:54:44.952
Yes?

847
00:54:44.952 --> 00:54:46.225
Mr. Mercer?

848
00:54:46.225 --> 00:54:47.139
Okay, go ahead.

849
00:54:47.139 --> 00:54:50.218
<v ->The question was, it's a technical thing,</v>

850
00:54:50.218 --> 00:54:54.285
but it's only if someone calls a quorum on it, is that true?

851
00:54:54.285 --> 00:54:55.369
And we could have three members here

852
00:54:55.369 --> 00:54:56.962
but no one calls a quorum call,

853
00:54:56.962 --> 00:55:01.295
we'd keep on going, just a point of technical thing.

854
00:55:02.143 --> 00:55:05.047
<v ->I don't think that's actually accurate for us,</v>

855
00:55:05.047 --> 00:55:06.601
if you're meeting as the full board,

856
00:55:06.601 --> 00:55:10.134
we need eight more board members present.

857
00:55:10.134 --> 00:55:11.801
To conduct business.

858
00:55:13.350 --> 00:55:16.530
<v ->And I would add as a point of parliamentary note</v>

859
00:55:16.530 --> 00:55:18.918
that the chair has an obligation

860
00:55:18.918 --> 00:55:20.653
if she notices that a quorum

861
00:55:20.653 --> 00:55:25.238
is no longer present to notify the body of that fact.

862
00:55:25.238 --> 00:55:27.738
And to take no further action.

863
00:55:30.640 --> 00:55:31.640
<v ->All right.</v>

864
00:55:33.255 --> 00:55:34.348
What's the next one?

865
00:55:34.348 --> 00:55:39.015
<v ->It's on SBOE-6, it's at the middle of the page, 2.6-B.</v>

866
00:55:40.406 --> 00:55:41.839
And that's updating the language

867
00:55:41.839 --> 00:55:43.593
dealing with video conferencing,

868
00:55:43.593 --> 00:55:46.003
there've been some statutory changes there,

869
00:55:46.003 --> 00:55:47.958
so we're just now reflecting

870
00:55:47.958 --> 00:55:50.625
what the statute you fall under.

871
00:55:51.658 --> 00:55:55.887
<v Bahorich>Any objections to that change?</v>

872
00:55:55.887 --> 00:55:57.307
Hearing none.

873
00:55:57.307 --> 00:55:59.277
Amendment's adopted.

874
00:55:59.277 --> 00:56:00.503
<v Ratcliffe>At the bottom of that page,</v>

875
00:56:00.503 --> 00:56:04.248
we're going to amend our proposal on C,

876
00:56:04.248 --> 00:56:05.837
that very last sentence there,

877
00:56:05.837 --> 00:56:09.416
we're just now suggesting adding noise makers.

878
00:56:09.416 --> 00:56:10.895
<v Bahorich>Flags and noise makers.</v>

879
00:56:10.895 --> 00:56:11.758
<v Ratcliffe>Well...</v>

880
00:56:11.758 --> 00:56:13.188
<v Bahorich>Flags?</v>

881
00:56:13.188 --> 00:56:15.731
<v Ratcliffe>I think after our conversation Friday</v>

882
00:56:15.731 --> 00:56:18.081
that we probably shouldn't include flags.

883
00:56:18.081 --> 00:56:20.748
That would be my recommendation.

884
00:56:21.775 --> 00:56:23.858
It's certainly up to you.

885
00:56:26.504 --> 00:56:28.004
<v Bahorich>Yeah.</v>

886
00:56:30.834 --> 00:56:32.850
<v ->There was a concern that it might raise</v>

887
00:56:32.850 --> 00:56:34.850
a First Amendment issue.

888
00:56:36.486 --> 00:56:39.771
Was some advice we got from legal counsel last week.

889
00:56:39.771 --> 00:56:41.742
<v ->I think, you know, perhaps what we do,</v>

890
00:56:41.742 --> 00:56:45.968
maybe in the rules that we kind of post up here,

891
00:56:45.968 --> 00:56:50.051
that kind of talk about respecting others that,

892
00:56:50.051 --> 00:56:52.697
you know, you don't want things in front of people.

893
00:56:52.697 --> 00:56:54.716
Like I noticed we had a couple of hearings

894
00:56:54.716 --> 00:56:57.466
where very large flags, you know,

895
00:57:00.471 --> 00:57:03.003
could obstruct the view of a lot of people,

896
00:57:03.003 --> 00:57:04.815
and so that was why the original thought

897
00:57:04.815 --> 00:57:08.125
was that you would include flags, 'cause they're very big.

898
00:57:08.125 --> 00:57:10.229
The ones that were brought in here.

899
00:57:10.229 --> 00:57:11.062
And...

900
00:57:12.385 --> 00:57:13.218
Yes.

901
00:57:13.218 --> 00:57:14.051
Mr. Rowley?

902
00:57:14.051 --> 00:57:14.884
<v ->Yeah, so well, it seems to me</v>

903
00:57:14.884 --> 00:57:16.284
if we're talking about First Amendment issues,

904
00:57:16.284 --> 00:57:19.463
signs and placards would be just as germane

905
00:57:19.463 --> 00:57:22.000
on a First Amendment speech issue

906
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.064
as would a flag, perhaps even more so.

907
00:57:25.064 --> 00:57:27.523
Because sign and placard pretty much

908
00:57:27.523 --> 00:57:30.106
has a speech connotation to it.

909
00:57:31.423 --> 00:57:33.985
But perhaps what we might consider doing

910
00:57:33.985 --> 00:57:38.985
in this amendment is stating the purpose of saying no signs,

911
00:57:39.049 --> 00:57:41.228
placards, flags, noisemakers or other objects

912
00:57:41.228 --> 00:57:44.592
of a similar nature which might distract

913
00:57:44.592 --> 00:57:47.925
from an orderly proceeding of a meeting,

914
00:57:48.946 --> 00:57:51.343
then at least we have a rational basis

915
00:57:51.343 --> 00:57:55.068
other than just impairment of free speech.

916
00:57:55.068 --> 00:57:56.016
But I'll defer--

917
00:57:56.016 --> 00:57:58.145
<v Bahorich>I'll let Chris speak first.</v>

918
00:57:58.145 --> 00:57:59.478
Go ahead.

919
00:57:59.478 --> 00:58:02.076
<v ->I think the conversation on Friday</v>

920
00:58:02.076 --> 00:58:04.243
was towards certain flags.

921
00:58:06.032 --> 00:58:07.805
For example, can you keep out

922
00:58:07.805 --> 00:58:10.583
a Confederate flag, a Nazi flag?

923
00:58:10.583 --> 00:58:12.231
Well, you can't just decide which flags

924
00:58:12.231 --> 00:58:13.639
you want to keep out.

925
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:15.149
If you're starting to make distinctions,

926
00:58:15.149 --> 00:58:17.703
you can have the French flag

927
00:58:17.703 --> 00:58:20.554
but not the Confederate flag,

928
00:58:20.554 --> 00:58:23.065
then you get in a free speech problem.

929
00:58:23.065 --> 00:58:27.019
I think as written this is okay 'cause it's content neutral.

930
00:58:27.019 --> 00:58:29.440
It's no signs, no matter what content,

931
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:31.251
no placards, no matter what content,

932
00:58:31.251 --> 00:58:33.410
no flags, no noisemakers.

933
00:58:33.410 --> 00:58:37.366
I think you can do that if this is what you wish to do.

934
00:58:37.366 --> 00:58:38.866
<v Bahorich>Okay.</v>

935
00:58:40.550 --> 00:58:42.202
<v ->I would not offer that amendment then,</v>

936
00:58:42.202 --> 00:58:44.517
I mean, because I don't think we're raising the issue

937
00:58:44.517 --> 00:58:47.629
of First Amendment if it reads

938
00:58:47.629 --> 00:58:50.212
an absolute ban on those items.

939
00:58:51.289 --> 00:58:52.582
And we can all understand for the purpose

940
00:58:52.582 --> 00:58:55.848
of orderly conduct and not distracting

941
00:58:55.848 --> 00:58:57.765
other audience members.

942
00:59:02.584 --> 00:59:04.834
(laughter)

943
00:59:06.023 --> 00:59:08.989
<v Bahorich>Yes, Mr. Cortez.</v>

944
00:59:08.989 --> 00:59:10.668
<v ->You know, while I recall the instance</v>

945
00:59:10.668 --> 00:59:13.790
that we're, I guess, trying to reference,

946
00:59:13.790 --> 00:59:16.404
and while I necessarily didn't agree with it,

947
00:59:16.404 --> 00:59:19.987
I just don't think that we should limit it.

948
00:59:23.552 --> 00:59:26.733
I think just by putting the word flag in there,

949
00:59:26.733 --> 00:59:28.520
I mean, if somebody walks in here with a Texas flag

950
00:59:28.520 --> 00:59:32.937
or US flag, and I just, I don't see an issue with it.

951
00:59:36.092 --> 00:59:38.287
Obviously my preference would have been

952
00:59:38.287 --> 00:59:40.535
not having had that one flag

953
00:59:40.535 --> 00:59:43.611
that was in here at one time, but it was.

954
00:59:43.611 --> 00:59:46.873
And I thought the meeting flowed smoothly,

955
00:59:46.873 --> 00:59:50.142
it was no big fight that broke out.

956
00:59:50.142 --> 00:59:53.134
You know, so I don't know, I would just object.

957
00:59:53.134 --> 00:59:54.994
I mean, obviously the noisemakers, I get it.

958
00:59:54.994 --> 00:59:56.181
But the flags.

959
00:59:56.181 --> 00:59:57.014
<v Bahorich>Yeah.</v>

960
00:59:57.014 --> 00:59:57.847
<v ->Whether we like it or not,</v>

961
00:59:57.847 --> 00:59:59.365
I mean, I think people should be able

962
00:59:59.365 --> 01:00:02.448
to express what they want to express.

963
01:00:06.063 --> 01:00:09.079
<v ->Mr. Ellis hasn't spoken, so Dr. Ellis.</v>

964
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:09.985
<v ->Along those same lines,</v>

965
01:00:09.985 --> 01:00:10.944
I would agree to the extent

966
01:00:10.944 --> 01:00:14.422
that I'm not necessarily sure which way is the proper way,

967
01:00:14.422 --> 01:00:17.081
but I think it just needs to be one way or the other.

968
01:00:17.081 --> 01:00:18.395
If you have it where, as long

969
01:00:18.395 --> 01:00:23.395
as it's not affecting the meeting or creating a controversy,

970
01:00:24.170 --> 01:00:25.940
then it falls upon the board chair

971
01:00:25.940 --> 01:00:28.343
to decide if it's creating an issue.

972
01:00:28.343 --> 01:00:29.518
So whether we have or don't,

973
01:00:29.518 --> 01:00:32.503
I think it needs to be just none at all

974
01:00:32.503 --> 01:00:34.836
or to be permissive for all.

975
01:00:36.508 --> 01:00:39.566
But not necessarily where if it's causing a distraction,

976
01:00:39.566 --> 01:00:41.466
'cause that's going to get very arbitrary

977
01:00:41.466 --> 01:00:44.682
on what's causing a distraction or not.

978
01:00:44.682 --> 01:00:46.031
<v Bahorich>Yeah.</v>

979
01:00:46.031 --> 01:00:47.364
Yes, Mr. Rowley.

980
01:00:48.609 --> 01:00:49.442
Oh, okay.

981
01:00:51.472 --> 01:00:53.639
<v ->Well, I think it's more,</v>

982
01:00:56.222 --> 01:00:59.133
it's a safer approach with regard

983
01:00:59.133 --> 01:01:03.567
to our rules if it's an absolute prohibition

984
01:01:03.567 --> 01:01:06.668
instead of a decision made on the part

985
01:01:06.668 --> 01:01:08.824
of the chair or the board or anyone else.

986
01:01:08.824 --> 01:01:11.791
And to speak to Member Cortez's point,

987
01:01:11.791 --> 01:01:13.523
actually it was an issue,

988
01:01:13.523 --> 01:01:16.178
because I went over to address it,

989
01:01:16.178 --> 01:01:19.727
as you'll recall to try to work the deal out

990
01:01:19.727 --> 01:01:22.133
and we wound up, it wound up being okay,

991
01:01:22.133 --> 01:01:22.966
but I had a number of people

992
01:01:22.966 --> 01:01:25.194
come approach me and said that's offensive to me.

993
01:01:25.194 --> 01:01:27.372
And I would rather you get that out of here.

994
01:01:27.372 --> 01:01:29.880
Yeah, and so I went over to try to address it.

995
01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:32.705
So I think in that instance it was disruptive.

996
01:01:32.705 --> 01:01:35.279
And I think it would have been more difficult to say,

997
01:01:35.279 --> 01:01:37.136
you know, the nature of that flag

998
01:01:37.136 --> 01:01:39.318
is such we don't want it in here.

999
01:01:39.318 --> 01:01:40.151
I think it would have been

1000
01:01:40.151 --> 01:01:42.467
much more constitutionally protected

1001
01:01:42.467 --> 01:01:44.345
had we said we don't allow signs,

1002
01:01:44.345 --> 01:01:47.242
placards, noisemakers or flags.

1003
01:01:47.242 --> 01:01:50.387
And so I would speak in favor of the amendment, personally.

1004
01:01:50.387 --> 01:01:52.704
<v Bahorich>Any other discussion?</v>

1005
01:01:52.704 --> 01:01:53.954
Yes, Ms. Perez?

1006
01:01:55.064 --> 01:01:58.012
<v ->If it makes it easier we could bring it in alignment</v>

1007
01:01:58.012 --> 01:02:01.255
with our audience or our member

1008
01:02:01.255 --> 01:02:03.010
of the audience participation rules

1009
01:02:03.010 --> 01:02:05.593
which reads no signs, placards,

1010
01:02:06.575 --> 01:02:08.856
or other objects of similar nature

1011
01:02:08.856 --> 01:02:11.273
or meaning a visual displays.

1012
01:02:12.304 --> 01:02:13.697
No posters, props, signs, placards,

1013
01:02:13.697 --> 01:02:16.437
or other visual displays.

1014
01:02:16.437 --> 01:02:19.682
If you're wearing a lapel pin, fine.

1015
01:02:19.682 --> 01:02:21.127
If you're bringing in something that's the size

1016
01:02:21.127 --> 01:02:23.852
of what you put on a flagpole at your school,

1017
01:02:23.852 --> 01:02:27.058
it's distracting and if you're sitting

1018
01:02:27.058 --> 01:02:32.058
in front of the audience, no one behind you can participate.

1019
01:02:32.542 --> 01:02:37.027
And it does bring it in alignment with our audience rules.

1020
01:02:37.027 --> 01:02:39.146
<v ->What is that one, where is that one,</v>

1021
01:02:39.146 --> 01:02:43.246
'cause we should have those two, where is it?

1022
01:02:43.246 --> 01:02:44.079
Oh.

1023
01:02:45.631 --> 01:02:46.923
Oh, I see.

1024
01:02:46.923 --> 01:02:49.386
<v ->Because very clearly the incident</v>

1025
01:02:49.386 --> 01:02:52.486
that we're all referencing without referencing it,

1026
01:02:52.486 --> 01:02:55.071
was the gentleman who came in with a Confederate flag

1027
01:02:55.071 --> 01:02:56.554
on his walker prior to attacking

1028
01:02:56.554 --> 01:03:00.525
all of the districts one through four.

1029
01:03:00.525 --> 01:03:03.525
And it was clearly a visual display.

1030
01:03:05.445 --> 01:03:06.364
And if we're not going to allow

1031
01:03:06.364 --> 01:03:07.932
some visual displays then

1032
01:03:07.932 --> 01:03:09.622
let's not allow any visual displays.

1033
01:03:09.622 --> 01:03:12.277
We don't want posters, we don't want signs.

1034
01:03:12.277 --> 01:03:15.077
We don't want those kinds of distractions.

1035
01:03:15.077 --> 01:03:17.440
He may do that in his house but this is not his house,

1036
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:18.460
this is the people's house

1037
01:03:18.460 --> 01:03:23.127
and I don't think that that added any value to his rant.

1038
01:03:27.811 --> 01:03:28.814
<v ->Yes, Ms. Cargill.</v>

1039
01:03:28.814 --> 01:03:31.240
<v ->Just to clarify, all of that is allowed,</v>

1040
01:03:31.240 --> 01:03:33.700
just right here in the lobby.

1041
01:03:33.700 --> 01:03:35.773
You know, they can certainly,

1042
01:03:35.773 --> 01:03:37.939
it's just in a business meeting not appropriate,

1043
01:03:37.939 --> 01:03:39.473
but it is allowed in the lobby

1044
01:03:39.473 --> 01:03:42.857
and out front and everywhere else.

1045
01:03:42.857 --> 01:03:43.690
<v ->Right.</v>

1046
01:03:44.680 --> 01:03:46.103
Yes, Mister--

1047
01:03:46.103 --> 01:03:48.028
<v Rowley>So, will they be notified</v>

1048
01:03:48.028 --> 01:03:50.781
when they sign up for public comment,

1049
01:03:50.781 --> 01:03:52.011
will all of this be told to them

1050
01:03:52.011 --> 01:03:54.678
in advance of when they sign up?

1051
01:03:55.975 --> 01:03:58.141
<v Ratcliffe>They are, it is in the rules,</v>

1052
01:03:58.141 --> 01:04:01.031
and then if we anticipate that kind of activity

1053
01:04:01.031 --> 01:04:05.191
we put a poster out on the table outside the doorway.

1054
01:04:05.191 --> 01:04:06.441
With the rules.

1055
01:04:09.567 --> 01:04:11.448
<v Cortez>Yeah.</v>

1056
01:04:11.448 --> 01:04:15.405
Member Rowley convinced me with his...

1057
01:04:15.405 --> 01:04:16.508
<v Bahorich>Any other discussion?</v>

1058
01:04:16.508 --> 01:04:17.341
All those--

1059
01:04:17.341 --> 01:04:18.174
<v ->He had me at hello.</v>

1060
01:04:18.174 --> 01:04:21.656
<v ->All those in favor of amending to no signs,</v>

1061
01:04:21.656 --> 01:04:23.763
placards, flags, noisemakers, or other objects

1062
01:04:23.763 --> 01:04:25.078
of a similar nature shall be permitted

1063
01:04:25.078 --> 01:04:26.584
in the audience gallery area.

1064
01:04:26.584 --> 01:04:28.317
All those in favor say aye.

1065
01:04:28.317 --> 01:04:29.150
<v Multiple>Aye.</v>

1066
01:04:29.150 --> 01:04:31.983
<v ->All those opposed say no.</v>

1067
01:04:31.983 --> 01:04:34.566
All right, okay, let's move on.

1068
01:04:35.806 --> 01:04:37.543
<v ->I believe we have an amendment for--</v>

1069
01:04:37.543 --> 01:04:38.821
<v Bahorich>On E?</v>

1070
01:04:38.821 --> 01:04:41.421
<v ->2.6-C, to back up just a little bit,</v>

1071
01:04:41.421 --> 01:04:43.504
dealing with cell phones.

1072
01:04:44.586 --> 01:04:46.974
And it's on page seven of your--

1073
01:04:46.974 --> 01:04:49.307
<v Bahorich>Oh, yes.</v>

1074
01:04:49.307 --> 01:04:52.617
<v ->Handout with board member amendments.</v>

1075
01:04:52.617 --> 01:04:54.430
<v Bahorich>I should have probably marked this</v>

1076
01:04:54.430 --> 01:04:57.804
on each of our, where all these are.

1077
01:04:57.804 --> 01:04:59.715
Kay, go ahead, I don't know who's making that.

1078
01:04:59.715 --> 01:05:01.414
Can you go ahead?

1079
01:05:01.414 --> 01:05:02.247
Dr. Ellis?

1080
01:05:03.414 --> 01:05:05.612
<v ->Yeah, I think this was probably written</v>

1081
01:05:05.612 --> 01:05:07.818
at a time when cell phones were newer,

1082
01:05:07.818 --> 01:05:10.091
maybe not ubiquitous as they are now.

1083
01:05:10.091 --> 01:05:11.821
I think we all use the cell phones

1084
01:05:11.821 --> 01:05:14.104
as part of transacting our business

1085
01:05:14.104 --> 01:05:17.284
on the board and communication.

1086
01:05:17.284 --> 01:05:22.192
I don't see a place and time where the board chair would,

1087
01:05:22.192 --> 01:05:24.038
where the board would restrict the members

1088
01:05:24.038 --> 01:05:25.443
from using cell phones during meetings,

1089
01:05:25.443 --> 01:05:28.030
so if that's the issue I would make a motion

1090
01:05:28.030 --> 01:05:30.030
that we take that C out.

1091
01:05:34.271 --> 01:05:35.268
<v Bahorich>I think that's correct.</v>

1092
01:05:35.268 --> 01:05:36.509
Is there any objection?

1093
01:05:36.509 --> 01:05:38.592
Hearing none, amendment--

1094
01:05:39.946 --> 01:05:42.779
<v ->The next amendment is on SBOE-7.</v>

1095
01:05:44.593 --> 01:05:48.681
And this deals with prohibiting supporters

1096
01:05:48.681 --> 01:05:52.529
of people testifying from gathering here behind the podium.

1097
01:05:52.529 --> 01:05:54.262
The thought is it just makes it difficult

1098
01:05:54.262 --> 01:05:56.689
to tell who the next speaker is.

1099
01:05:56.689 --> 01:05:58.783
It can certainly, the supporters can still stand up

1100
01:05:58.783 --> 01:06:00.998
in the audience or wave their hands

1101
01:06:00.998 --> 01:06:04.331
but to try to avoid a jam up right here.

1102
01:06:06.474 --> 01:06:10.076
<v ->Is there any objection to that addition?</v>

1103
01:06:10.076 --> 01:06:11.370
Hearing none.

1104
01:06:11.370 --> 01:06:12.870
Amendment carries.

1105
01:06:14.731 --> 01:06:16.494
All right, what's our next.

1106
01:06:16.494 --> 01:06:18.077
<v ->It's 2.9-A and B.</v>

1107
01:06:21.027 --> 01:06:23.410
I think Mr. Maynard has...

1108
01:06:23.410 --> 01:06:24.243
<v Bahorich>Mr. Maynard?</v>

1109
01:06:24.243 --> 01:06:25.653
<v ->Amendment...</v>

1110
01:06:25.653 --> 01:06:28.820
<v ->Madam Chair, you can see the rationale on this one,</v>

1111
01:06:28.820 --> 01:06:32.237
but the motion is to strike the language,

1112
01:06:33.467 --> 01:06:35.713
at least one week prior to the posting deadline

1113
01:06:35.713 --> 01:06:37.872
for the board meeting at which the resolution

1114
01:06:37.872 --> 01:06:40.278
is to be considered, and insert not less

1115
01:06:40.278 --> 01:06:42.751
than four weeks before the Monday,

1116
01:06:42.751 --> 01:06:45.728
I'm going to change this just a little bit.

1117
01:06:45.728 --> 01:06:48.320
The Monday of board meeting week.

1118
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:49.865
<v Bahorich>Oh, yeah.</v>

1119
01:06:49.865 --> 01:06:50.698
Okay.

1120
01:06:52.150 --> 01:06:56.317
<v ->During which the resolution is to be considered.</v>

1121
01:07:00.871 --> 01:07:03.138
<v ->And everybody can see the rationale there.</v>

1122
01:07:03.138 --> 01:07:06.083
It's kind of a convoluted thing that we say now.

1123
01:07:06.083 --> 01:07:07.609
So this is trying to bring some clarity

1124
01:07:07.609 --> 01:07:10.119
to that particular amendment.

1125
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:11.561
Any objection?

1126
01:07:11.561 --> 01:07:12.644
Hearing none.

1127
01:07:16.067 --> 01:07:21.067
<v ->The next amendment is on the main packet, it's on SBOE-10.</v>

1128
01:07:21.164 --> 01:07:21.997
<v Maynard>Madam Chair,</v>

1129
01:07:21.997 --> 01:07:23.697
I have, there's one more in that section.

1130
01:07:23.697 --> 01:07:24.773
<v ->Oh, okay.</v>

1131
01:07:24.773 --> 01:07:26.167
<v Bahorich>Oh, I'm sorry.</v>

1132
01:07:26.167 --> 01:07:29.636
<v ->And on 2.9-B, strike the board</v>

1133
01:07:29.636 --> 01:07:32.584
made by unanimous consent pass a congratulatory,

1134
01:07:32.584 --> 01:07:35.348
commendatory, or other non-substantive resolution

1135
01:07:35.348 --> 01:07:38.785
without the notice required by this section,

1136
01:07:38.785 --> 01:07:42.324
and insert titles for congratulatory,

1137
01:07:42.324 --> 01:07:45.744
commendatory, or other non-substantive resolutions

1138
01:07:45.744 --> 01:07:48.052
shall be submitted by the timelines prescribed

1139
01:07:48.052 --> 01:07:49.732
in this section with resolution text

1140
01:07:49.732 --> 01:07:52.187
following at a date and time consistent

1141
01:07:52.187 --> 01:07:56.354
with the staff's pre-meeting preparation timeline.

1142
01:07:59.156 --> 01:08:00.999
So, somebody speak to the issue,

1143
01:08:00.999 --> 01:08:03.928
so actually the posting deadline,

1144
01:08:03.928 --> 01:08:07.559
whether it is a resolution dealing with policy

1145
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:11.231
or whether it is a congratulatory resolution

1146
01:08:11.231 --> 01:08:14.598
of some kind, the posting deadline is actually the same.

1147
01:08:14.598 --> 01:08:19.598
The difference is that any time that we have a resolution

1148
01:08:20.082 --> 01:08:23.828
dealing with policy, there's really two purposes.

1149
01:08:23.828 --> 01:08:27.228
One is posting and production by the staff,

1150
01:08:27.228 --> 01:08:29.244
the other one is to allow the board itself

1151
01:08:29.244 --> 01:08:31.724
to have some time to reflect and to consider

1152
01:08:31.724 --> 01:08:34.840
the content of that particular resolution.

1153
01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:38.340
In the case of a sort of a non-substantive

1154
01:08:40.670 --> 01:08:42.841
congratulatory resolution, that's probably

1155
01:08:42.841 --> 01:08:45.091
not terribly controversial,

1156
01:08:46.375 --> 01:08:48.510
the staff at the very least needs the title for that,

1157
01:08:48.510 --> 01:08:49.842
because they have to post it

1158
01:08:49.842 --> 01:08:52.331
and then as long as whoever's doing that

1159
01:08:52.331 --> 01:08:54.811
gets the text to them in some sort of time

1160
01:08:54.811 --> 01:08:57.322
where they can get it into production, it's fine.

1161
01:08:57.322 --> 01:08:58.655
That's the idea.

1162
01:09:02.206 --> 01:09:03.206
<v ->So what...</v>

1163
01:09:04.289 --> 01:09:07.952
In that instance, so, if we had a school

1164
01:09:07.952 --> 01:09:10.326
in our district that won a blue ribbon,

1165
01:09:10.326 --> 01:09:13.626
we could submit language, send a resolution

1166
01:09:13.626 --> 01:09:15.415
as member of the State Board,

1167
01:09:15.415 --> 01:09:16.942
on behalf of the State Board,

1168
01:09:16.942 --> 01:09:19.740
in the congratulatory sense to that entity

1169
01:09:19.740 --> 01:09:24.490
or in situations like that, is that what they enable us--

1170
01:09:25.791 --> 01:09:26.816
Right now we can't do that, right,

1171
01:09:26.816 --> 01:09:29.250
we can send a certificate, but we can't,

1172
01:09:29.250 --> 01:09:33.815
I don't think we do resolutions, 'cause they have a process.

1173
01:09:33.815 --> 01:09:37.696
<v ->Right, so if you were going to do a resolution,</v>

1174
01:09:37.696 --> 01:09:41.029
or propose a resolution for a, you know,

1175
01:09:42.217 --> 01:09:43.966
somebody in your district and that sort of thing,

1176
01:09:43.966 --> 01:09:47.864
that's a congratulatory, it still has to be posted.

1177
01:09:47.864 --> 01:09:50.175
And so what it would require you to do is that,

1178
01:09:50.175 --> 01:09:54.298
well, you have to notify, it has to get on the agenda.

1179
01:09:54.298 --> 01:09:56.102
The agenda has to be approved by the board

1180
01:09:56.102 --> 01:09:58.896
and it has to be posted by the staff.

1181
01:09:58.896 --> 01:10:01.271
So you still need to do that four weeks out.

1182
01:10:01.271 --> 01:10:03.571
As far as the actual text of that,

1183
01:10:03.571 --> 01:10:06.610
as long as you get it into the staff at a time

1184
01:10:06.610 --> 01:10:10.777
that works in their production schedule it's fine.

1185
01:10:12.248 --> 01:10:14.529
<v ->But that particular resolution is an example</v>

1186
01:10:14.529 --> 01:10:16.112
that I just made.

1187
01:10:16.112 --> 01:10:19.980
It doesn't have to be read on the Friday morning.

1188
01:10:19.980 --> 01:10:23.162
Are you allowing for, is your language

1189
01:10:23.162 --> 01:10:24.735
allowing for that sort of thing,

1190
01:10:24.735 --> 01:10:26.852
or does every resolution have to be read

1191
01:10:26.852 --> 01:10:29.435
on the Friday morning up there?

1192
01:10:31.413 --> 01:10:33.062
<v ->Let me try to clarify that.</v>

1193
01:10:33.062 --> 01:10:35.865
This language would deal with resolutions

1194
01:10:35.865 --> 01:10:38.669
that are being adopted by the whole board.

1195
01:10:38.669 --> 01:10:41.038
If you were doing something as an individual member,

1196
01:10:41.038 --> 01:10:44.032
it wouldn't come under this rule.

1197
01:10:44.032 --> 01:10:47.698
This is if we were adopting a resolution

1198
01:10:47.698 --> 01:10:49.531
like you do on Friday.

1199
01:10:51.783 --> 01:10:54.138
<v ->And just for my clarification,</v>

1200
01:10:54.138 --> 01:10:55.743
and maybe I'm misunderstanding,

1201
01:10:55.743 --> 01:10:58.538
but I was always told that individually

1202
01:10:58.538 --> 01:11:01.570
in our own district we weren't able to do resolutions.

1203
01:11:01.570 --> 01:11:05.461
Just certificates and that sort of thing.

1204
01:11:05.461 --> 01:11:07.428
And so I like where you're going with it,

1205
01:11:07.428 --> 01:11:11.636
but having the opportunity to issue a resolution

1206
01:11:11.636 --> 01:11:14.888
to somebody who won some big accolade

1207
01:11:14.888 --> 01:11:18.145
or award or recognition, I think that would be important,

1208
01:11:18.145 --> 01:11:21.663
but without bogging the board making sure

1209
01:11:21.663 --> 01:11:24.163
it had to be read on a Friday.

1210
01:11:26.981 --> 01:11:29.172
<v ->This is only dealing with things before the board.</v>

1211
01:11:29.172 --> 01:11:30.421
Resolutions before the board

1212
01:11:30.421 --> 01:11:32.642
that the entire board would be behind.

1213
01:11:32.642 --> 01:11:33.475
<v Maynard>Madam Chair?</v>

1214
01:11:33.475 --> 01:11:35.860
<v ->It would be read on a Friday.</v>

1215
01:11:35.860 --> 01:11:36.711
<v ->We don't have a process for what I...</v>

1216
01:11:36.711 --> 01:11:37.942
<v Maynard>Madam Chair?</v>

1217
01:11:37.942 --> 01:11:40.034
<v Bahorich>No, well, we do, but it's individually.</v>

1218
01:11:40.034 --> 01:11:40.982
<v ->But not as a resolution.</v>

1219
01:11:40.982 --> 01:11:43.457
<v ->Not as a resolution that the entire board considers.</v>

1220
01:11:43.457 --> 01:11:44.290
<v Maynard>Madam Chair?</v>

1221
01:11:44.290 --> 01:11:45.123
<v ->Currently.</v>

1222
01:11:45.123 --> 01:11:45.956
Yes, Mr. Maynard?

1223
01:11:45.956 --> 01:11:46.789
<v ->Yeah, if I could just add,</v>

1224
01:11:46.789 --> 01:11:49.413
just to answer your question,

1225
01:11:49.413 --> 01:11:51.784
how legislators normally handle that

1226
01:11:51.784 --> 01:11:54.623
during the interim is that they issue

1227
01:11:54.623 --> 01:11:57.264
a proclamation rather than a resolution.

1228
01:11:57.264 --> 01:11:59.231
And so if you as a board member

1229
01:11:59.231 --> 01:12:03.127
wanted to issue a proclamation proclaiming something,

1230
01:12:03.127 --> 01:12:03.960
you know, that can be done

1231
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:06.264
without any sort of action whatsoever.

1232
01:12:06.264 --> 01:12:07.097
<v ->Right.</v>

1233
01:12:09.371 --> 01:12:11.227
Yeah, they have standard language

1234
01:12:11.227 --> 01:12:12.667
and things that they do, yeah.

1235
01:12:12.667 --> 01:12:15.043
But again, that's individual board members.

1236
01:12:15.043 --> 01:12:16.415
With any kind of recognition.

1237
01:12:16.415 --> 01:12:20.332
Any other questions about that particular item?

1238
01:12:21.457 --> 01:12:22.707
Any objections?

1239
01:12:23.688 --> 01:12:24.521
Hearing none.

1240
01:12:24.521 --> 01:12:26.719
We'll go ahead and make that amendment.

1241
01:12:26.719 --> 01:12:28.969
Thank you, Mr. Maynard.

1242
01:12:28.969 --> 01:12:32.052
Is that, is he at the next one, or...

1243
01:12:33.508 --> 01:12:36.868
<v ->I believe the next one is on SBOE-10.</v>

1244
01:12:36.868 --> 01:12:38.799
And it's a staff recommendation,

1245
01:12:38.799 --> 01:12:42.382
it deals with deleting registration by fax.

1246
01:12:44.254 --> 01:12:46.145
I haven't gone back to count the months,

1247
01:12:46.145 --> 01:12:47.297
but I'd say over the past year

1248
01:12:47.297 --> 01:12:51.809
I'd estimate we got no more than five submissions by fax.

1249
01:12:51.809 --> 01:12:55.056
And so we think it's time to go ahead

1250
01:12:55.056 --> 01:12:56.438
and delete fax, they'd still be able

1251
01:12:56.438 --> 01:13:00.021
to register online, by phone, or in person.

1252
01:13:02.709 --> 01:13:04.427
<v Bahorich>Telegrams, yeah. (laughs)</v>

1253
01:13:04.427 --> 01:13:05.812
<v ->We don't take telegrams.</v>

1254
01:13:05.812 --> 01:13:08.166
<v Bahorich>Any objections?</v>

1255
01:13:08.166 --> 01:13:08.999
Okay.

1256
01:13:08.999 --> 01:13:09.832
<v ->SBOE-10.</v>

1257
01:13:11.724 --> 01:13:16.194
And right at the very top of the page, the first--

1258
01:13:16.194 --> 01:13:21.194
<v Female Speaker>The top page numbers are all different...</v>

1259
01:13:21.363 --> 01:13:22.196
<v ->2.10-B1.</v>

1260
01:13:28.244 --> 01:13:30.827
<v ->Any other discussion on that?</v>

1261
01:13:31.848 --> 01:13:32.681
Okay.

1262
01:13:38.123 --> 01:13:39.117
Yeah, go ahead and--

1263
01:13:39.117 --> 01:13:40.968
<v ->In my district there are quite a few people</v>

1264
01:13:40.968 --> 01:13:43.452
who just simply don't have access to wi-fi

1265
01:13:43.452 --> 01:13:44.979
and if they want something in writing

1266
01:13:44.979 --> 01:13:47.529
and they want a read receipt or return receipt,

1267
01:13:47.529 --> 01:13:49.612
faxes is the only option.

1268
01:13:53.038 --> 01:13:54.253
And so I don't know why we would want

1269
01:13:54.253 --> 01:13:57.233
to eliminate that large portion of Texas

1270
01:13:57.233 --> 01:13:59.483
and eliminate their ability

1271
01:14:01.673 --> 01:14:06.673
to send something in writing that they know was received.

1272
01:14:07.067 --> 01:14:10.555
And if it's only five in a year,

1273
01:14:10.555 --> 01:14:14.919
I mean, if those five, or is it cumbersome,

1274
01:14:14.919 --> 01:14:16.611
is it difficult to monitor,

1275
01:14:16.611 --> 01:14:18.612
does it cause a problem with staff?

1276
01:14:18.612 --> 01:14:20.480
<v ->It's not difficult to monitor,</v>

1277
01:14:20.480 --> 01:14:23.025
they come in to our computer just like an email,

1278
01:14:23.025 --> 01:14:25.762
we just looked at it as a way to save a little money

1279
01:14:25.762 --> 01:14:27.327
if we got rid of the fax line.

1280
01:14:27.327 --> 01:14:29.082
But it's not a whole lot of money,

1281
01:14:29.082 --> 01:14:32.665
so if you want to keep it we certainly can.

1282
01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:36.068
<v ->All right members, all those in favor</v>

1283
01:14:36.068 --> 01:14:40.818
of eliminating the fax as an option to register, say aye.

1284
01:14:43.529 --> 01:14:45.779
All those in favor say nay.

1285
01:14:46.636 --> 01:14:48.277
All those opposed, yeah, sorry.

1286
01:14:48.277 --> 01:14:50.174
All those opposed say no.

1287
01:14:50.174 --> 01:14:51.007
(multiple responses)

1288
01:14:51.007 --> 01:14:52.334
Okay, we're not changing it.

1289
01:14:52.334 --> 01:14:54.509
We'll keep the fax line.

1290
01:14:54.509 --> 01:14:55.490
All right.

1291
01:14:55.490 --> 01:14:58.784
<v ->The next change is right below that,</v>

1292
01:14:58.784 --> 01:15:01.867
we're suggesting striking number two,

1293
01:15:02.901 --> 01:15:05.511
before we went to an online registration system,

1294
01:15:05.511 --> 01:15:07.429
there would be typically four offices

1295
01:15:07.429 --> 01:15:09.812
that would take public registration

1296
01:15:09.812 --> 01:15:12.721
depending on what committee they wanted to testify before.

1297
01:15:12.721 --> 01:15:15.010
Now our office handles them all.

1298
01:15:15.010 --> 01:15:18.127
And so we don't need that sentence anymore,

1299
01:15:18.127 --> 01:15:20.951
and then we'd renumber after that.

1300
01:15:20.951 --> 01:15:23.117
<v ->Any objection to that change?</v>

1301
01:15:23.117 --> 01:15:24.886
Hearing none.

1302
01:15:24.886 --> 01:15:25.719
All right.

1303
01:15:26.872 --> 01:15:29.535
<v ->The next change is on that same page,</v>

1304
01:15:29.535 --> 01:15:33.585
C-2, and you're going to see a similar change

1305
01:15:33.585 --> 01:15:38.079
proposed multiple places throughout the document.

1306
01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:40.690
Now when people sign up to give public testimony,

1307
01:15:40.690 --> 01:15:43.033
your standard time is three minutes.

1308
01:15:43.033 --> 01:15:46.620
But as you know, for the last ten or 15 years,

1309
01:15:46.620 --> 01:15:49.359
probably at least, if you have large crowds

1310
01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:51.549
like you had with social studies,

1311
01:15:51.549 --> 01:15:54.908
we tend to take the time down to two minutes per person

1312
01:15:54.908 --> 01:15:58.497
as part of an effort to hear everybody that signed up.

1313
01:15:58.497 --> 01:16:00.035
And so we thought it might be better

1314
01:16:00.035 --> 01:16:03.181
if we had a consistent time and then

1315
01:16:03.181 --> 01:16:06.253
if they needed more time, it's probably easier

1316
01:16:06.253 --> 01:16:11.086
to award more time than to take time away from the public.

1317
01:16:12.237 --> 01:16:14.444
<v ->So this would be an attempt to have a standard time</v>

1318
01:16:14.444 --> 01:16:16.964
that's more in keeping with our practice.

1319
01:16:16.964 --> 01:16:19.870
And then we could add time if we needed to,

1320
01:16:19.870 --> 01:16:22.551
and as you know, members, you can always extend

1321
01:16:22.551 --> 01:16:24.771
a testimony by asking questions

1322
01:16:24.771 --> 01:16:27.346
and that sort of thing of the testifier.

1323
01:16:27.346 --> 01:16:29.312
So it always does extend the time

1324
01:16:29.312 --> 01:16:31.591
if needed for any particular testifier.

1325
01:16:31.591 --> 01:16:32.924
Yes, Mr. Mercer.

1326
01:16:34.093 --> 01:16:34.968
<v ->Thank you, Madam Chair, members,</v>

1327
01:16:34.968 --> 01:16:36.438
I understand the point of this,

1328
01:16:36.438 --> 01:16:38.702
but I have to vote against this.

1329
01:16:38.702 --> 01:16:40.260
I just can't handle people driving across

1330
01:16:40.260 --> 01:16:42.538
from El Paso to Valley and tell 'em

1331
01:16:42.538 --> 01:16:45.115
thank you for being here, you only get two minutes to talk.

1332
01:16:45.115 --> 01:16:46.669
People who wait here all day and wait

1333
01:16:46.669 --> 01:16:48.496
to come back from lunch and we give 'em two minutes,

1334
01:16:48.496 --> 01:16:49.685
I'd rather keep it at three.

1335
01:16:49.685 --> 01:16:52.038
If we decide in a meeting with a large crowd

1336
01:16:52.038 --> 01:16:53.489
to change that the opposite way,

1337
01:16:53.489 --> 01:16:54.901
I can understand, but I prefer,

1338
01:16:54.901 --> 01:16:58.128
I would be embarrassed to tell someone

1339
01:16:58.128 --> 01:17:00.966
thanks for driving all this way on your own time,

1340
01:17:00.966 --> 01:17:01.945
you get two minutes.

1341
01:17:01.945 --> 01:17:03.619
I would speaking against the motion

1342
01:17:03.619 --> 01:17:06.759
and I'd rather keep it three, thank you.

1343
01:17:06.759 --> 01:17:08.801
<v Bahorich>Any other discussion, yes Ms. Cargill?</v>

1344
01:17:08.801 --> 01:17:11.579
<v ->On the other hand, as a former testifier,</v>

1345
01:17:11.579 --> 01:17:13.670
because I came and testified to the board

1346
01:17:13.670 --> 01:17:17.391
before I ran for science textbooks,

1347
01:17:17.391 --> 01:17:18.662
and I mean I had my speech down

1348
01:17:18.662 --> 01:17:20.291
to two minutes and 59 seconds

1349
01:17:20.291 --> 01:17:23.063
with a science experiment in it.

1350
01:17:23.063 --> 01:17:24.406
Involving a magnet.

1351
01:17:24.406 --> 01:17:27.823
And so, if I had done all that, you know,

1352
01:17:30.609 --> 01:17:32.470
two minutes 59, and then I was told two minutes,

1353
01:17:32.470 --> 01:17:34.123
I would have been freaking out,

1354
01:17:34.123 --> 01:17:36.698
so I understand totally what you're saying,

1355
01:17:36.698 --> 01:17:38.558
but I think I'd rather be told the two minutes

1356
01:17:38.558 --> 01:17:43.064
and get more than walk in and be told no, you don't have.

1357
01:17:43.064 --> 01:17:44.540
Anyway, the three minutes.

1358
01:17:44.540 --> 01:17:46.723
<v Bahorich>Yes, Mr. Rowley.</v>

1359
01:17:46.723 --> 01:17:48.972
<v ->I agree with Member Mercer on this.</v>

1360
01:17:48.972 --> 01:17:50.954
I think three minutes is,

1361
01:17:50.954 --> 01:17:53.954
the big issue is us asking questions

1362
01:17:54.865 --> 01:17:58.330
and making our speeches and statements

1363
01:17:58.330 --> 01:18:02.823
during testimony time, if we could refrain from doing that.

1364
01:18:02.823 --> 01:18:06.234
One more minute of testimony is not going to make

1365
01:18:06.234 --> 01:18:08.975
a dramatic difference, so I personally am in favor

1366
01:18:08.975 --> 01:18:10.800
of three minutes worth of testimony.

1367
01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:13.227
It's pretty tough to say anything in two minutes.

1368
01:18:13.227 --> 01:18:16.477
As a lawyer, politician, former pastor,

1369
01:18:18.056 --> 01:18:19.949
I couldn't do anything in two minutes.

1370
01:18:19.949 --> 01:18:20.782
(laughter)

1371
01:18:20.782 --> 01:18:23.576
As I just evidenced by this comment

1372
01:18:23.576 --> 01:18:26.539
that would take me two and a half minutes.

1373
01:18:26.539 --> 01:18:27.372
So.

1374
01:18:29.014 --> 01:18:29.878
<v Male Speaker>Where do we,</v>

1375
01:18:29.878 --> 01:18:33.806
do we have other rules in terms of X number of speakers

1376
01:18:33.806 --> 01:18:38.223
per topic or you get certain number of minutes total?

1377
01:18:41.271 --> 01:18:43.192
<v ->We do have that as a could, you know,</v>

1378
01:18:43.192 --> 01:18:44.519
where you set the limit, I mean,

1379
01:18:44.519 --> 01:18:46.540
we have that in our rule where you can set the limit,

1380
01:18:46.540 --> 01:18:47.660
but we've just not done it.

1381
01:18:47.660 --> 01:18:48.493
<v ->The reason I ask is that I think</v>

1382
01:18:48.493 --> 01:18:49.358
most ISD school boards have--

1383
01:18:49.358 --> 01:18:50.752
<v ->Yeah, they do, that's true.</v>

1384
01:18:50.752 --> 01:18:54.015
I mean, I think hearings at HISD that I listen to,

1385
01:18:54.015 --> 01:18:57.160
they're a minute, you know, for hearings

1386
01:18:57.160 --> 01:19:01.691
and I think a lot of local trustees are two minutes.

1387
01:19:01.691 --> 01:19:03.774
Or at least I've heard...

1388
01:19:06.859 --> 01:19:08.907
Okay, let's go ahead and take a vote on this,

1389
01:19:08.907 --> 01:19:11.925
all those in favor of modifying it to two minutes

1390
01:19:11.925 --> 01:19:13.949
as our standard time limit

1391
01:19:13.949 --> 01:19:16.347
that would be in our rules, say aye.

1392
01:19:16.347 --> 01:19:17.226
(multiple responses)

1393
01:19:17.226 --> 01:19:18.756
All those opposed say no.

1394
01:19:18.756 --> 01:19:19.589
(multiple responses)

1395
01:19:19.589 --> 01:19:21.683
All those, let's hold our hands up.

1396
01:19:21.683 --> 01:19:23.464
All those in favor of changing it

1397
01:19:23.464 --> 01:19:28.464
to two minutes as the standard time limit, raise your hands.

1398
01:19:29.647 --> 01:19:32.307
All those in favor of, or not in favor

1399
01:19:32.307 --> 01:19:35.037
of that, raise your hands.

1400
01:19:35.037 --> 01:19:36.454
All the, opposed.

1401
01:19:38.229 --> 01:19:40.661
Great, okay, so motion is defeated.

1402
01:19:40.661 --> 01:19:41.494
All right.

1403
01:19:41.494 --> 01:19:42.327
Moving on.

1404
01:19:42.327 --> 01:19:43.160
<v ->Chair, how does that affect</v>

1405
01:19:43.160 --> 01:19:46.309
when the Chair does make it two minutes?

1406
01:19:46.309 --> 01:19:48.309
<v ->Yeah, I mean, I think we just keep it</v>

1407
01:19:48.309 --> 01:19:52.200
as standard practice we've been doing.

1408
01:19:52.200 --> 01:19:55.151
<v ->Or could, if we think it's a controversial,</v>

1409
01:19:55.151 --> 01:19:56.582
or one that we think a lot of people

1410
01:19:56.582 --> 01:19:58.926
are going to come talk about,

1411
01:19:58.926 --> 01:20:02.264
could it say it on the online registration?

1412
01:20:02.264 --> 01:20:03.681
<v ->So Madam Chair?</v>

1413
01:20:04.865 --> 01:20:06.505
It's Monica.

1414
01:20:06.505 --> 01:20:09.618
So I'm not sure that it's clear that with,

1415
01:20:09.618 --> 01:20:11.136
for the last several years,

1416
01:20:11.136 --> 01:20:12.788
for all of your items where you are going

1417
01:20:12.788 --> 01:20:15.503
to have a large number of testifiers,

1418
01:20:15.503 --> 01:20:17.056
it has been two minutes.

1419
01:20:17.056 --> 01:20:21.268
And notice was provided in advance in all of the postings.

1420
01:20:21.268 --> 01:20:23.351
So this really came from,

1421
01:20:24.237 --> 01:20:26.522
because the items already have lots of folks

1422
01:20:26.522 --> 01:20:27.754
who want to come testify,

1423
01:20:27.754 --> 01:20:31.190
they have been two minutes for the last several years.

1424
01:20:31.190 --> 01:20:32.853
That creates some confusion,

1425
01:20:32.853 --> 01:20:36.199
particularly in your smaller committees,

1426
01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:38.071
when the question becomes,

1427
01:20:38.071 --> 01:20:40.302
should it be two minutes or three minutes?

1428
01:20:40.302 --> 01:20:43.152
So this was an attempt to standardize

1429
01:20:43.152 --> 01:20:46.427
that because that is a decision that the chair

1430
01:20:46.427 --> 01:20:49.233
has been able to and has made

1431
01:20:49.233 --> 01:20:52.487
and for all of your items where you've had

1432
01:20:52.487 --> 01:20:53.834
any number of testifiers

1433
01:20:53.834 --> 01:20:57.917
that would be significant, it's been two minutes.

1434
01:21:00.992 --> 01:21:03.129
<v ->What I've seen at some of the local ISDs</v>

1435
01:21:03.129 --> 01:21:07.181
now have language that says if you have in excess

1436
01:21:07.181 --> 01:21:10.768
of 30 testifiers or 40 testifiers,

1437
01:21:10.768 --> 01:21:12.765
then it'd be a modified time,

1438
01:21:12.765 --> 01:21:14.104
and then they'll be told in advance,

1439
01:21:14.104 --> 01:21:16.033
that way there's, it doesn't happen

1440
01:21:16.033 --> 01:21:18.747
the minute they arrive in here.

1441
01:21:18.747 --> 01:21:20.911
I'd be amenable to something like that

1442
01:21:20.911 --> 01:21:23.308
where we can put language in there

1443
01:21:23.308 --> 01:21:27.391
where if we know, you know, if we've got over 50,

1444
01:21:28.664 --> 01:21:30.754
you know, but if you've got ten,

1445
01:21:30.754 --> 01:21:33.406
why are we going to tell them two minutes, you know.

1446
01:21:33.406 --> 01:21:34.363
But if there's a certain number

1447
01:21:34.363 --> 01:21:35.664
and we know it's going to carry on

1448
01:21:35.664 --> 01:21:38.008
for ten hours, then maybe--

1449
01:21:38.008 --> 01:21:40.969
<v ->If you'd like to make an amendment right now,</v>

1450
01:21:40.969 --> 01:21:42.775
I mean, we've voted on this.

1451
01:21:42.775 --> 01:21:45.298
<v ->So Madam, parliamentary question to point of order,</v>

1452
01:21:45.298 --> 01:21:46.393
we already voted on this issue,

1453
01:21:46.393 --> 01:21:47.700
we've already debated and voted on this,

1454
01:21:47.700 --> 01:21:49.867
why are we discussing now?

1455
01:21:51.881 --> 01:21:53.696
<v ->(laughs) 'Cause Ms.--</v>

1456
01:21:53.696 --> 01:21:55.776
(no audio)

1457
01:21:55.776 --> 01:21:56.609
Okay.

1458
01:21:56.609 --> 01:22:00.818
So we're going to go ahead and keep on going.

1459
01:22:00.818 --> 01:22:02.835
Okay, what's the next...

1460
01:22:02.835 --> 01:22:06.085
<v ->The next amendment is on SBOE-11 D-1,</v>

1461
01:22:09.285 --> 01:22:11.148
when you had a printed agenda,

1462
01:22:11.148 --> 01:22:13.480
your information pages were yellow.

1463
01:22:13.480 --> 01:22:15.565
Now as an electronic agenda,

1464
01:22:15.565 --> 01:22:18.151
they're just white, so we're saying

1465
01:22:18.151 --> 01:22:21.199
strike the reference to yellow pages.

1466
01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:22.850
<v ->Any objection to that amendment?</v>

1467
01:22:22.850 --> 01:22:23.933
Hearing none.

1468
01:22:25.868 --> 01:22:26.701
Next.

1469
01:22:28.500 --> 01:22:30.927
<v ->It's D-2 on that same page.</v>

1470
01:22:30.927 --> 01:22:31.812
It sounds like we ought to skip

1471
01:22:31.812 --> 01:22:34.814
the first proposal and stick with the three minutes.

1472
01:22:34.814 --> 01:22:35.647
<v Bahorich>Right.</v>

1473
01:22:35.647 --> 01:22:37.981
<v ->There is another amendment that says,</v>

1474
01:22:37.981 --> 01:22:40.770
that just tries to clarify some language

1475
01:22:40.770 --> 01:22:43.748
that it would, it's proposed as a responses

1476
01:22:43.748 --> 01:22:45.681
to questions from board members

1477
01:22:45.681 --> 01:22:47.839
shall not be counted against the time allotted

1478
01:22:47.839 --> 01:22:50.006
for oral public testimony.

1479
01:22:52.122 --> 01:22:53.988
<v ->Any objection to that clarification,</v>

1480
01:22:53.988 --> 01:22:57.771
we think that sentence is worded better.

1481
01:22:57.771 --> 01:22:58.604
Any objection?

1482
01:22:58.604 --> 01:22:59.854
Yes, Ms. Perez?

1483
01:23:01.162 --> 01:23:02.930
<v ->Testimony invited by board members,</v>

1484
01:23:02.930 --> 01:23:06.445
does this mean we're not inviting people anymore?

1485
01:23:06.445 --> 01:23:07.947
Because that's what's stricken.

1486
01:23:07.947 --> 01:23:11.197
(indistinct responses)

1487
01:23:18.803 --> 01:23:19.636
<v ->Right.</v>

1488
01:23:22.035 --> 01:23:23.996
So it says responses to questions

1489
01:23:23.996 --> 01:23:25.334
from board members shall not

1490
01:23:25.334 --> 01:23:27.187
be counted against the time allotted.

1491
01:23:27.187 --> 01:23:31.295
But what's stricken is testimony invited by board members.

1492
01:23:31.295 --> 01:23:34.387
So are we saying we're not inviting testimony?

1493
01:23:34.387 --> 01:23:37.974
We're striking it, so is that what we're doing?

1494
01:23:37.974 --> 01:23:40.681
<v ->We're trying to say what this sentence</v>

1495
01:23:40.681 --> 01:23:42.889
was supposed to get, 'cause I've had this conversation,

1496
01:23:42.889 --> 01:23:46.161
I said I don't even know what this is talking about.

1497
01:23:46.161 --> 01:23:49.244
And Debbie said that as she recalled,

1498
01:23:50.273 --> 01:23:52.459
this sentence was about that

1499
01:23:52.459 --> 01:23:55.176
you're not going to count against the testifier

1500
01:23:55.176 --> 01:23:58.593
that questions that a board member asked,

1501
01:24:00.304 --> 01:24:01.598
that that's part of the two minutes,

1502
01:24:01.598 --> 01:24:03.768
she said that it didn't say that.

1503
01:24:03.768 --> 01:24:05.095
But that was the intent.

1504
01:24:05.095 --> 01:24:08.273
<v ->Madam Chair, I don't think that's right.</v>

1505
01:24:08.273 --> 01:24:11.582
The intent of that language as currently written was,

1506
01:24:11.582 --> 01:24:13.432
there are times for example,

1507
01:24:13.432 --> 01:24:16.577
your text review advisors that used

1508
01:24:16.577 --> 01:24:19.119
to be expert reviewers for example

1509
01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:21.929
were considered invited testimony

1510
01:24:21.929 --> 01:24:23.992
as opposed to public testimony,

1511
01:24:23.992 --> 01:24:26.187
and this language intended to say,

1512
01:24:26.187 --> 01:24:28.712
if you have certain folks who have been invited,

1513
01:24:28.712 --> 01:24:32.540
that it wouldn't count against that 30 minutes.

1514
01:24:32.540 --> 01:24:35.134
That's what the original language,

1515
01:24:35.134 --> 01:24:38.128
this talks about 30 minutes will be allocated

1516
01:24:38.128 --> 01:24:42.206
for oral public testimony excluding questions

1517
01:24:42.206 --> 01:24:44.545
and the sentence as currently written

1518
01:24:44.545 --> 01:24:47.329
was put in there so that if you had folks,

1519
01:24:47.329 --> 01:24:49.662
like your text review committee members,

1520
01:24:49.662 --> 01:24:51.517
workgroup members, or advisors,

1521
01:24:51.517 --> 01:24:55.517
those individuals would not count against that 30 minutes.

1522
01:24:55.517 --> 01:24:58.259
So this adjustment is actually changing

1523
01:24:58.259 --> 01:25:01.926
the meaning of what was originally intended.

1524
01:25:07.209 --> 01:25:09.255
<v ->No adjustment needed.</v>

1525
01:25:09.255 --> 01:25:11.109
Yeah, just going back to the original.

1526
01:25:11.109 --> 01:25:12.714
Any objection to that?

1527
01:25:12.714 --> 01:25:14.047
Yes, Mr. Rowley.

1528
01:25:15.450 --> 01:25:16.978
<v ->Clarifying question in that regard,</v>

1529
01:25:16.978 --> 01:25:19.522
so I guess for Monica so,

1530
01:25:19.522 --> 01:25:22.189
there are currently in our rules

1531
01:25:23.065 --> 01:25:26.749
the ability or a restriction of oral public testimony

1532
01:25:26.749 --> 01:25:31.534
on any particular item to be limited to 30 minutes?

1533
01:25:31.534 --> 01:25:35.697
<v ->So your rule currently says that 30 minutes</v>

1534
01:25:35.697 --> 01:25:39.290
are to be allotted, I have not known

1535
01:25:39.290 --> 01:25:42.298
this board to ever stick to the 30 minutes,

1536
01:25:42.298 --> 01:25:44.429
but you are correct, that this rule

1537
01:25:44.429 --> 01:25:49.184
would establish 30 minutes for public testimony on an item.

1538
01:25:49.184 --> 01:25:52.844
<v ->And is that only for meetings of the full board?</v>

1539
01:25:52.844 --> 01:25:57.261
Or is it also meetings of the committee of the board?

1540
01:26:02.632 --> 01:26:04.733
So is the general meeting, is that--

1541
01:26:04.733 --> 01:26:07.793
<v ->Yeah, it's at the beginning of each Friday meeting.</v>

1542
01:26:07.793 --> 01:26:08.884
<v Ratcliffe>Yes, Friday.</v>

1543
01:26:08.884 --> 01:26:12.568
<v ->Friday but not Tuesday or Wednesday, okay.</v>

1544
01:26:12.568 --> 01:26:14.493
<v Female Speaker>That would not apply to public hearings.</v>

1545
01:26:14.493 --> 01:26:16.743
(no audio)

1546
01:26:17.849 --> 01:26:20.692
<v ->Any other, any objections to that,</v>

1547
01:26:20.692 --> 01:26:23.545
we're withdrawing that amendment.

1548
01:26:23.545 --> 01:26:24.378
Okay.

1549
01:26:24.378 --> 01:26:25.461
Hearing none.

1550
01:26:26.741 --> 01:26:30.491
<v ->I believe the next amendment is on SBOE-12,</v>

1551
01:26:30.491 --> 01:26:33.158
and I think Mr. Maynard has one.

1552
01:26:34.072 --> 01:26:35.445
On B.

1553
01:26:35.445 --> 01:26:38.229
<v ->Madam Chair, the motion</v>

1554
01:26:38.229 --> 01:26:41.961
then is to strike established by agency officers

1555
01:26:41.961 --> 01:26:43.285
responsible for the subject matter

1556
01:26:43.285 --> 01:26:46.285
and insert set out in section 210-B.

1557
01:26:49.105 --> 01:26:50.528
I can speak to the motion.

1558
01:26:50.528 --> 01:26:51.361
<v Bahorich>Yes.</v>

1559
01:26:51.361 --> 01:26:52.578
<v ->Essentially we had a conflict in the rules</v>

1560
01:26:52.578 --> 01:26:55.774
is that on one place it said that the staff

1561
01:26:55.774 --> 01:26:58.038
basically did that and didn't we,

1562
01:26:58.038 --> 01:27:01.133
in the rules itself we had registration procedures,

1563
01:27:01.133 --> 01:27:02.420
and so we needed to strike that

1564
01:27:02.420 --> 01:27:06.263
and just reference that section of the rules.

1565
01:27:06.263 --> 01:27:09.216
<v ->This is again some clean-up.</v>

1566
01:27:09.216 --> 01:27:11.633
Any objection to that change?

1567
01:27:12.687 --> 01:27:13.770
Hearing none.

1568
01:27:15.610 --> 01:27:16.943
All right, next.

1569
01:27:19.528 --> 01:27:22.835
<v ->The next amendment is on the bottom of SBOE-12,</v>

1570
01:27:22.835 --> 01:27:26.413
it's 2.13, it deals with public comments

1571
01:27:26.413 --> 01:27:29.466
regarding proposed rule-making.

1572
01:27:29.466 --> 01:27:33.049
And Monica may want to comment on this one.

1573
01:27:35.051 --> 01:27:37.740
<v Bahorich>Yeah, Monica, why don't you bring that up?</v>

1574
01:27:37.740 --> 01:27:40.073
<v ->Yes, so the Texas register</v>

1575
01:27:41.057 --> 01:27:45.661
requires that you have a 30-day public comment period.

1576
01:27:45.661 --> 01:27:50.135
Historically, because you don't meet that frequently,

1577
01:27:50.135 --> 01:27:53.703
we continued to receive and summarize comments

1578
01:27:53.703 --> 01:27:56.637
for you all the way up to the board meeting.

1579
01:27:56.637 --> 01:27:58.393
There have been instances where this

1580
01:27:58.393 --> 01:28:01.558
has proven problematic where you get

1581
01:28:01.558 --> 01:28:04.891
very lengthy comments when we're already

1582
01:28:05.725 --> 01:28:07.576
down here in the meeting.

1583
01:28:07.576 --> 01:28:10.545
I think one of the examples that many folks remember

1584
01:28:10.545 --> 01:28:14.113
is that a multi-page document recommending

1585
01:28:14.113 --> 01:28:16.806
a variety of additional amendments

1586
01:28:16.806 --> 01:28:18.951
when you were doing science streamlining that

1587
01:28:18.951 --> 01:28:20.834
it was difficult for any of you

1588
01:28:20.834 --> 01:28:23.751
to really seriously consider and so

1589
01:28:24.618 --> 01:28:27.103
we felt like if we set out in the rule

1590
01:28:27.103 --> 01:28:30.376
and started to provide notice that there will be

1591
01:28:30.376 --> 01:28:32.663
a deadline for those comments,

1592
01:28:32.663 --> 01:28:35.838
that would enable us to be able to get all,

1593
01:28:35.838 --> 01:28:37.754
gather all that information and get it

1594
01:28:37.754 --> 01:28:40.889
to you and give you at least a little bit

1595
01:28:40.889 --> 01:28:42.097
of time to consider them before

1596
01:28:42.097 --> 01:28:45.230
you're actually sitting in the meeting.

1597
01:28:45.230 --> 01:28:48.010
It will still be more than the required 30 days,

1598
01:28:48.010 --> 01:28:50.366
and so we just felt like this would be helpful

1599
01:28:50.366 --> 01:28:52.509
for everyone because there are times

1600
01:28:52.509 --> 01:28:55.323
I'm sitting here in the meeting and comments are coming in,

1601
01:28:55.323 --> 01:28:58.725
and there's no way for us to get them to you,

1602
01:28:58.725 --> 01:29:00.605
and then I think you get feedback that,

1603
01:29:00.605 --> 01:29:03.081
well, why didn't you respond to my comment?

1604
01:29:03.081 --> 01:29:06.498
So that's the purpose of this adjustment.

1605
01:29:09.284 --> 01:29:12.059
<v ->Any other discussion on that one?</v>

1606
01:29:12.059 --> 01:29:13.281
Hearing none.

1607
01:29:13.281 --> 01:29:14.636
Amendment is adopted.

1608
01:29:14.636 --> 01:29:15.469
Next one?

1609
01:29:18.065 --> 01:29:21.315
<v ->The next is on SBOE-3, it involves G.</v>

1610
01:29:22.701 --> 01:29:27.368
And some changes I believe Dr. Ellis wanted to consider.

1611
01:29:29.082 --> 01:29:30.490
13.

1612
01:29:30.490 --> 01:29:32.387
<v ->Should be at the bottom of SBOE-13,</v>

1613
01:29:32.387 --> 01:29:37.135
and this is also a clean-up of time from way begone,

1614
01:29:37.135 --> 01:29:40.027
when we actually would need reimbursement

1615
01:29:40.027 --> 01:29:42.934
for telephone calls and for fax fees,

1616
01:29:42.934 --> 01:29:45.281
and I don't think anyone is at their hotel

1617
01:29:45.281 --> 01:29:49.448
being charged for telephone calls or for fax fees.

1618
01:29:50.389 --> 01:29:54.222
So I would recommend deletion of one and four.

1619
01:29:55.831 --> 01:29:59.045
<v ->Anyone, any more discussion on that one?</v>

1620
01:29:59.045 --> 01:30:01.514
This is kind of keeping up with the times.

1621
01:30:01.514 --> 01:30:03.115
All those in favor?

1622
01:30:03.115 --> 01:30:03.953
Say aye.

1623
01:30:03.953 --> 01:30:04.786
(multiple responses)

1624
01:30:04.786 --> 01:30:06.312
All those opposed say no.

1625
01:30:06.312 --> 01:30:09.239
Motion's adopted, all right.

1626
01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:13.156
<v ->The next amendment is on SBOE-15, it's 3.2-B.</v>

1627
01:30:14.068 --> 01:30:16.122
It's just updating the language

1628
01:30:16.122 --> 01:30:18.539
that references our division.

1629
01:30:21.660 --> 01:30:23.368
<v ->Any objection to that amendment?</v>

1630
01:30:23.368 --> 01:30:26.835
Again, a lot of clean-up this time which is good.

1631
01:30:26.835 --> 01:30:27.866
Hearing none.

1632
01:30:27.866 --> 01:30:29.616
Amendment is adopted.

1633
01:30:33.160 --> 01:30:34.493
All right, next.

1634
01:30:36.171 --> 01:30:39.088
<v ->May have an amendment on SBOE-17.</v>

1635
01:30:40.860 --> 01:30:42.193
<v Bahorich>17?</v>

1636
01:30:43.674 --> 01:30:45.767
Yes, Mr. Cortez, I think that one is you.

1637
01:30:45.767 --> 01:30:46.600
<v ->Sure.</v>

1638
01:30:46.600 --> 01:30:49.683
Yeah, I have, I do have an amendment.

1639
01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:54.250
On section 33-C, I would like to insert

1640
01:30:56.649 --> 01:31:01.463
the word charter revision and charter amendment.

1641
01:31:01.463 --> 01:31:04.293
After having spoken with, well,

1642
01:31:04.293 --> 01:31:06.083
I'd like to, we can talk about it,

1643
01:31:06.083 --> 01:31:08.998
I guess once I get a second.

1644
01:31:08.998 --> 01:31:10.812
Oh, and also on the resolutions part,

1645
01:31:10.812 --> 01:31:13.312
I want to add on number three,

1646
01:31:14.802 --> 01:31:15.963
right after application it'll say

1647
01:31:15.963 --> 01:31:18.878
comma revision and amendments.

1648
01:31:18.878 --> 01:31:20.745
The commissioner...

1649
01:31:20.745 --> 01:31:23.995
(indistinct responses)

1650
01:31:25.103 --> 01:31:26.329
Okay.

1651
01:31:26.329 --> 01:31:27.162
Sure.

1652
01:31:27.162 --> 01:31:28.363
One at a time.

1653
01:31:28.363 --> 01:31:30.154
<v Bahorich>Why don't you speak to that?</v>

1654
01:31:30.154 --> 01:31:31.231
Okay.

1655
01:31:31.231 --> 01:31:35.064
So it appears after having spoken with counsel

1656
01:31:36.612 --> 01:31:41.612
that the laws are in kind of conflict with one another.

1657
01:31:41.835 --> 01:31:45.426
But, you know, my concern has always been,

1658
01:31:45.426 --> 01:31:47.619
I bring it up at our committee often,

1659
01:31:47.619 --> 01:31:49.429
is that we're not really using

1660
01:31:49.429 --> 01:31:53.020
the full authority that's granted to us.

1661
01:31:53.020 --> 01:31:56.659
I know that the commissioner has granted

1662
01:31:56.659 --> 01:32:01.331
over 400 charter amendments in the last six years.

1663
01:32:01.331 --> 01:32:02.908
And so it's really where the growth occurs

1664
01:32:02.908 --> 01:32:07.372
is when the commissioner awards an expansion amendment

1665
01:32:07.372 --> 01:32:08.963
or student growth amendment,

1666
01:32:08.963 --> 01:32:10.415
and I'm not saying that they're unwarranted

1667
01:32:10.415 --> 01:32:11.922
or that we shouldn't do it, I'm just saying

1668
01:32:11.922 --> 01:32:16.095
that if that's part of our authority and we have it,

1669
01:32:16.095 --> 01:32:18.890
we shouldn't give it away to the commissioner,

1670
01:32:18.890 --> 01:32:22.144
we should take advantage of it and have an opportunity

1671
01:32:22.144 --> 01:32:23.558
for people to come and talk to us

1672
01:32:23.558 --> 01:32:26.995
about how it could impact their communities

1673
01:32:26.995 --> 01:32:31.341
and their neighborhoods and I think it's an opportunity

1674
01:32:31.341 --> 01:32:33.677
for us to, you know, do something

1675
01:32:33.677 --> 01:32:37.594
that the legislature took away from us as well.

1676
01:32:38.519 --> 01:32:41.873
And when they come through this amendment process,

1677
01:32:41.873 --> 01:32:44.063
they don't even post it on the TEA website,

1678
01:32:44.063 --> 01:32:47.804
I mean, it's, I've never seen it, I've looked for it.

1679
01:32:47.804 --> 01:32:49.646
I think it gives an opportunity

1680
01:32:49.646 --> 01:32:52.813
for more transparency in this process.

1681
01:32:55.080 --> 01:32:58.173
And you know, the fact that it's not even on TEA website,

1682
01:32:58.173 --> 01:33:00.393
something that is deeply concerning to me,

1683
01:33:00.393 --> 01:33:03.100
and so I think Von can,

1684
01:33:03.100 --> 01:33:05.600
or Chris can speak to the fact

1685
01:33:06.571 --> 01:33:11.488
that there's conflicting rules and so it's unclear legally.

1686
01:33:13.807 --> 01:33:16.108
But we could do this if we wanted

1687
01:33:16.108 --> 01:33:17.841
to and take back that authority

1688
01:33:17.841 --> 01:33:22.508
because the legislature needs to clean this language up.

1689
01:33:24.611 --> 01:33:27.019
<v Bahorich>Yes, I don't know Chris or Von,</v>

1690
01:33:27.019 --> 01:33:28.629
did you want to speak to this first

1691
01:33:28.629 --> 01:33:32.210
and then I will call on Mr. Rowley.

1692
01:33:32.210 --> 01:33:36.690
<v ->So you've experienced this in the past with,</v>

1693
01:33:36.690 --> 01:33:38.090
and we've had dialogs on this

1694
01:33:38.090 --> 01:33:40.948
in another section regarding the setting of standards

1695
01:33:40.948 --> 01:33:44.565
on tests, you have a section of code that describes,

1696
01:33:44.565 --> 01:33:48.106
that has a list of one through 32 items

1697
01:33:48.106 --> 01:33:51.843
of what are the powers and authorities of the state board.

1698
01:33:51.843 --> 01:33:54.875
In there it has, for instance,

1699
01:33:54.875 --> 01:33:56.638
a thing that allows the state board

1700
01:33:56.638 --> 01:33:59.419
to set the standard on assessments,

1701
01:33:59.419 --> 01:34:01.604
later on the legislature changed that.

1702
01:34:01.604 --> 01:34:04.080
In the other sections of the code

1703
01:34:04.080 --> 01:34:06.107
and removed that and we've had AG opinions

1704
01:34:06.107 --> 01:34:09.964
that have gone through that have asserted

1705
01:34:09.964 --> 01:34:11.290
that the commissioner is the one

1706
01:34:11.290 --> 01:34:14.794
that sets the standard but you still have

1707
01:34:14.794 --> 01:34:17.723
that old language that occasionally once

1708
01:34:17.723 --> 01:34:19.307
every other year or so I have

1709
01:34:19.307 --> 01:34:21.585
a conversation with someone on that.

1710
01:34:21.585 --> 01:34:23.638
Similarly, there was a time

1711
01:34:23.638 --> 01:34:24.968
when the state board was

1712
01:34:24.968 --> 01:34:27.968
the major decision body on charters.

1713
01:34:30.269 --> 01:34:33.340
And so you had that in your list of authorities.

1714
01:34:33.340 --> 01:34:35.405
And then there was legislation

1715
01:34:35.405 --> 01:34:38.901
that passed that moved that over to the commissioner.

1716
01:34:38.901 --> 01:34:43.714
But and then removed, made the state board a veto body.

1717
01:34:43.714 --> 01:34:45.964
So when that law changed,

1718
01:34:45.964 --> 01:34:49.660
it did not go back and remove the authority

1719
01:34:49.660 --> 01:34:52.993
for looking at amendments from that list

1720
01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:57.065
that I was just referencing.

1721
01:34:57.065 --> 01:34:59.355
So we have a similar situation there.

1722
01:34:59.355 --> 01:35:02.022
So you have one piece of the law

1723
01:35:03.242 --> 01:35:06.342
that seems to suggest one set of authority

1724
01:35:06.342 --> 01:35:10.175
and then in the statute that covers amendments

1725
01:35:11.455 --> 01:35:14.122
it's all commissioner authority.

1726
01:35:18.121 --> 01:35:19.965
<v ->Yes, Mr. Rowley?</v>

1727
01:35:19.965 --> 01:35:21.588
<v ->So I have a question.</v>

1728
01:35:21.588 --> 01:35:24.559
While I agree with the sentiment of the amendment,

1729
01:35:24.559 --> 01:35:26.441
I have a question with regard

1730
01:35:26.441 --> 01:35:30.487
to the language and how we go about implementing this rule.

1731
01:35:30.487 --> 01:35:33.091
Because it goes on to say that prior

1732
01:35:33.091 --> 01:35:34.970
to consideration of the charter

1733
01:35:34.970 --> 01:35:38.137
by the board under section 12.101 B-0,

1734
01:35:41.522 --> 01:35:44.189
how do we, if we are not allowed

1735
01:35:45.521 --> 01:35:48.721
to consider expansion amendments,

1736
01:35:48.721 --> 01:35:50.713
which is what we're talking about here,

1737
01:35:50.713 --> 01:35:54.213
expansion, how do we provide an evaluation

1738
01:35:55.364 --> 01:35:57.614
prior to that consideration

1739
01:35:58.452 --> 01:36:00.441
when we don't even get to consider that?

1740
01:36:00.441 --> 01:36:01.530
I just have a question,

1741
01:36:01.530 --> 01:36:03.496
if we change the language of the rule,

1742
01:36:03.496 --> 01:36:08.079
how is that interpreted, and I'll submit that to legal.

1743
01:36:09.766 --> 01:36:13.016
<v ->Actually, the citation to 12.101 B-0,</v>

1744
01:36:14.657 --> 01:36:16.824
I don't think is on point.

1745
01:36:18.434 --> 01:36:22.808
B-0 talks about the granting of a charter, not the revision.

1746
01:36:22.808 --> 01:36:24.740
What makes a lot more sense

1747
01:36:24.740 --> 01:36:27.573
is perhaps a citation to 7.102 C-9

1748
01:36:30.580 --> 01:36:33.240
that does talk about revision.

1749
01:36:33.240 --> 01:36:37.573
But there's another section that's 12.114, revision.

1750
01:36:40.167 --> 01:36:45.026
And there's a couple things to notice about the section.

1751
01:36:45.026 --> 01:36:46.932
A revision of a charter of an open enrollment

1752
01:36:46.932 --> 01:36:49.934
charter school may be made only

1753
01:36:49.934 --> 01:36:51.623
with the approval of the commissioner.

1754
01:36:51.623 --> 01:36:54.274
And then C, not later than 60th day

1755
01:36:54.274 --> 01:36:56.022
after the date that a charter holder

1756
01:36:56.022 --> 01:36:58.062
submits to the commissioner a completed request

1757
01:36:58.062 --> 01:37:00.203
for approval for an expansion amendment

1758
01:37:00.203 --> 01:37:01.709
as defined by commissioner rule

1759
01:37:01.709 --> 01:37:04.418
including a new school amendment,

1760
01:37:04.418 --> 01:37:05.764
the commissioner shall provide

1761
01:37:05.764 --> 01:37:07.354
to the charter holder written notice

1762
01:37:07.354 --> 01:37:10.515
of approval or disapproval of the amendment.

1763
01:37:10.515 --> 01:37:13.515
It seems to me that 12.114 is giving

1764
01:37:14.396 --> 01:37:16.578
the commissioner pretty much sole power

1765
01:37:16.578 --> 01:37:18.995
on the amendment or revision.

1766
01:37:20.011 --> 01:37:22.520
Now, there is certainly a bit

1767
01:37:22.520 --> 01:37:24.342
of a conflict and we don't have

1768
01:37:24.342 --> 01:37:26.819
an Attorney General opinion on that.

1769
01:37:26.819 --> 01:37:30.338
We don't have a court opinion on that.

1770
01:37:30.338 --> 01:37:34.171
But generally you will, if there's a conflict,

1771
01:37:36.249 --> 01:37:38.999
the later adopted provision holds

1772
01:37:40.948 --> 01:37:43.821
and the significant changes were made

1773
01:37:43.821 --> 01:37:46.071
to 12.114 in 2001 and 2013,

1774
01:37:49.432 --> 01:37:50.486
while the other provision

1775
01:37:50.486 --> 01:37:53.403
was pretty much the same since '95.

1776
01:37:54.391 --> 01:37:56.463
<v Rowley>So, follow-up question.</v>

1777
01:37:56.463 --> 01:37:59.051
<v ->Let me just say one thing before you do a follow-up.</v>

1778
01:37:59.051 --> 01:38:01.139
The thing that I am struggling

1779
01:38:01.139 --> 01:38:03.031
with most probably is the fact

1780
01:38:03.031 --> 01:38:05.024
that this is under the acceptance of gifts

1781
01:38:05.024 --> 01:38:08.893
and or grants for charter school evaluation.

1782
01:38:08.893 --> 01:38:10.207
That this rule change would be

1783
01:38:10.207 --> 01:38:11.976
under the acceptance of gifts,

1784
01:38:11.976 --> 01:38:14.502
and so I'm not quite understanding,

1785
01:38:14.502 --> 01:38:19.502
we wouldn't get a gift to do a charter amendment revision.

1786
01:38:19.896 --> 01:38:23.979
I mean, that's what I'm a little struggling with.

1787
01:38:28.171 --> 01:38:29.653
<v Cortez>I only added charter revision</v>

1788
01:38:29.653 --> 01:38:30.608
and charter amendment.

1789
01:38:30.608 --> 01:38:31.441
<v ->Right, but I'm saying--</v>

1790
01:38:31.441 --> 01:38:33.075
<v ->All that language is already there.</v>

1791
01:38:33.075 --> 01:38:34.656
<v ->Right.</v>
<v ->I didn't touch anything.</v>

1792
01:38:34.656 --> 01:38:38.232
But I know who created this simply adding--

1793
01:38:38.232 --> 01:38:42.670
<v ->Well, we did when, what was it, I don't know.</v>

1794
01:38:42.670 --> 01:38:44.243
It would have probably been four years ago.

1795
01:38:44.243 --> 01:38:45.315
That we did, you know,

1796
01:38:45.315 --> 01:38:46.889
on the committee on school initiatives

1797
01:38:46.889 --> 01:38:48.601
and then it was passed by the board,

1798
01:38:48.601 --> 01:38:50.838
this whole acceptance of gifts and or grants

1799
01:38:50.838 --> 01:38:52.204
for charter school evaluations

1800
01:38:52.204 --> 01:38:56.477
'cause the question was, could a foundation,

1801
01:38:56.477 --> 01:38:58.664
if they wanted us to review a charter

1802
01:38:58.664 --> 01:39:00.330
before it got approved, could they give us

1803
01:39:00.330 --> 01:39:01.456
a gift in order to do that,

1804
01:39:01.456 --> 01:39:02.583
we didn't have any rules in place.

1805
01:39:02.583 --> 01:39:05.265
These rules were passed, this is part

1806
01:39:05.265 --> 01:39:08.185
of that rule of how you would do evaluation

1807
01:39:08.185 --> 01:39:09.920
under those circumstances and so

1808
01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:11.993
I don't understand the applicability

1809
01:39:11.993 --> 01:39:14.909
of putting those particular two amendments

1810
01:39:14.909 --> 01:39:17.136
and revision in there as it applies

1811
01:39:17.136 --> 01:39:19.048
to this particular section which is

1812
01:39:19.048 --> 01:39:22.960
about accepting gifts by the board to review a charter.

1813
01:39:22.960 --> 01:39:24.466
<v ->I don't understand either, but this</v>

1814
01:39:24.466 --> 01:39:25.779
is where it has to go because

1815
01:39:25.779 --> 01:39:27.288
it says accepting of gifts

1816
01:39:27.288 --> 01:39:30.371
and or grants for charter evaluation.

1817
01:39:33.662 --> 01:39:37.781
So that's the logical place for us to put it.

1818
01:39:37.781 --> 01:39:40.047
And it seems that even though

1819
01:39:40.047 --> 01:39:44.046
some of these statutes are in conflict with one another,

1820
01:39:44.046 --> 01:39:47.046
the one that I'm citing in 7.102 C-9

1821
01:39:48.687 --> 01:39:52.084
does grant the SBOE the authority.

1822
01:39:52.084 --> 01:39:54.404
And I believe that until the legislature

1823
01:39:54.404 --> 01:39:57.984
cleans that up that we should not give up

1824
01:39:57.984 --> 01:40:00.435
our authority to the commissioner.

1825
01:40:00.435 --> 01:40:04.956
I think all of us received a letter from TASA

1826
01:40:04.956 --> 01:40:09.196
where the superintendents groups that are in town today,

1827
01:40:09.196 --> 01:40:11.285
we're gonna go see later on this afternoon

1828
01:40:11.285 --> 01:40:12.368
wrote us a letter saying,

1829
01:40:12.368 --> 01:40:14.738
hey, we're not saying don't approve these.

1830
01:40:14.738 --> 01:40:15.809
We're saying we need more time

1831
01:40:15.809 --> 01:40:16.991
when they're in our communities

1832
01:40:16.991 --> 01:40:19.282
and I think by taking this back

1833
01:40:19.282 --> 01:40:21.361
into our wheelhouse that we'll give them

1834
01:40:21.361 --> 01:40:23.682
more time to know that they're coming

1835
01:40:23.682 --> 01:40:27.311
because right now TEA does not even post them

1836
01:40:27.311 --> 01:40:29.592
on their website when they grant an expansion.

1837
01:40:29.592 --> 01:40:30.962
<v Bahorich>But what I'm saying is--</v>

1838
01:40:30.962 --> 01:40:32.592
<v ->I'm just trying to be as transparent as possible.</v>

1839
01:40:32.592 --> 01:40:34.260
<v ->Yeah, I'm trying to understand the connection, though.</v>

1840
01:40:34.260 --> 01:40:38.082
Under the gift, this evaluation only happens

1841
01:40:38.082 --> 01:40:40.306
under a gift being given.

1842
01:40:40.306 --> 01:40:41.139
And so that's why--

1843
01:40:41.139 --> 01:40:43.306
<v Cortez>I didn't write the language, Madam Chair.</v>

1844
01:40:43.306 --> 01:40:44.139
I don't know--

1845
01:40:44.139 --> 01:40:45.734
<v ->Madam Chair?</v>

1846
01:40:45.734 --> 01:40:48.005
If you wanted to pursue this

1847
01:40:48.005 --> 01:40:49.550
you would probably want it both

1848
01:40:49.550 --> 01:40:54.550
in the acceptance of the gift but then also on SBOE page 25.

1849
01:40:55.810 --> 01:40:59.717
Under Committee on School Initiatives item three.

1850
01:40:59.717 --> 01:41:01.419
Where it says review an evaluation

1851
01:41:01.419 --> 01:41:04.206
of charter school applications.

1852
01:41:04.206 --> 01:41:07.637
You would probably add a similar reference there.

1853
01:41:07.637 --> 01:41:10.087
<v Bahorich>Now that makes more sense.</v>

1854
01:41:10.087 --> 01:41:11.389
<v ->I wouldn't mind adding it there, too.</v>

1855
01:41:11.389 --> 01:41:13.056
If that's necessary.

1856
01:41:17.108 --> 01:41:17.941
Yeah.

1857
01:41:18.834 --> 01:41:20.466
And I have it on committee of school initiatives,

1858
01:41:20.466 --> 01:41:22.108
but we haven't gotten to that part yet.

1859
01:41:22.108 --> 01:41:24.358
You wanted to split 'em up.

1860
01:41:33.546 --> 01:41:35.046
I have it in both.

1861
01:41:39.184 --> 01:41:41.836
<v ->We're not going to get a gift to evaluate an amendment,</v>

1862
01:41:41.836 --> 01:41:43.312
so that's what I'm a little confused

1863
01:41:43.312 --> 01:41:46.674
about sticking it in there, so yes, Ms. Perez-Diaz.

1864
01:41:46.674 --> 01:41:50.083
<v ->Think it's just for clarity and consistency</v>

1865
01:41:50.083 --> 01:41:51.493
across the board as we, you know,

1866
01:41:51.493 --> 01:41:53.435
as I hope that we were able to add it

1867
01:41:53.435 --> 01:41:55.637
to the initiatives piece.

1868
01:41:55.637 --> 01:41:58.887
It reads clearly and again consistently

1869
01:41:59.793 --> 01:42:01.944
across all language that pertains

1870
01:42:01.944 --> 01:42:04.944
to the expansion of charter schools.

1871
01:42:06.307 --> 01:42:10.312
<v ->Yes, Dr. Ellis and then Ms. Perez, and then Ms. Roth.</v>

1872
01:42:10.312 --> 01:42:11.650
<v ->Question for legal.</v>

1873
01:42:11.650 --> 01:42:14.817
12.101 B-0 refers to new applications.

1874
01:42:19.228 --> 01:42:21.335
And I think, and correct me if I'm wrong,

1875
01:42:21.335 --> 01:42:26.335
are you bringing this up under the context of an amendment?

1876
01:42:26.876 --> 01:42:30.043
(indistinct response)

1877
01:42:37.902 --> 01:42:38.735
So--

1878
01:42:38.735 --> 01:42:41.266
<v Bahorich>Yeah, fix the, we need to fix the amendment.</v>

1879
01:42:41.266 --> 01:42:43.018
<v ->Is this telling us that we have the ability</v>

1880
01:42:43.018 --> 01:42:45.018
to provide our report to

1881
01:42:47.589 --> 01:42:48.983
the Committee of School Initiatives

1882
01:42:48.983 --> 01:42:51.150
on a new charter proposal?

1883
01:42:52.428 --> 01:42:53.346
As written?

1884
01:42:53.346 --> 01:42:55.807
<v ->Under the gift, right?</v>

1885
01:42:55.807 --> 01:42:57.754
If we got a gift, we have a duty

1886
01:42:57.754 --> 01:42:59.290
to do something under a gift,

1887
01:42:59.290 --> 01:43:00.722
we have to provide an evaluation.

1888
01:43:00.722 --> 01:43:02.982
Am I not understanding this correctly?

1889
01:43:02.982 --> 01:43:04.190
<v Ellis>Does it have anything to do with--</v>

1890
01:43:04.190 --> 01:43:07.267
<v ->So I think the language that you have</v>

1891
01:43:07.267 --> 01:43:10.850
before you modifies your current procedures

1892
01:43:11.902 --> 01:43:14.217
for acceptance of a gift and it would require

1893
01:43:14.217 --> 01:43:16.238
reporting of that gift.

1894
01:43:16.238 --> 01:43:20.905
If it was in connection to review of a charter revision.

1895
01:43:21.968 --> 01:43:23.459
Or amendment.

1896
01:43:23.459 --> 01:43:25.799
I think this is part of a package

1897
01:43:25.799 --> 01:43:28.549
that the board member is offering

1898
01:43:30.790 --> 01:43:34.153
that incorporates as a whole the board

1899
01:43:34.153 --> 01:43:38.557
reviewing charter amendments and to your procedures.

1900
01:43:38.557 --> 01:43:41.224
So this is just a piece of that.

1901
01:43:43.984 --> 01:43:46.554
<v Bahorich>Yes, Mr. Rowley and then...</v>

1902
01:43:46.554 --> 01:43:50.145
(speaking indistinctly)

1903
01:43:50.145 --> 01:43:52.000
<v ->Okay, well I move to amend</v>

1904
01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:54.167
the submission by striking

1905
01:43:56.246 --> 01:43:58.996
where it says section 12.101 B-0,

1906
01:44:00.170 --> 01:44:02.837
and inserting section 7.102 C-9.

1907
01:44:10.695 --> 01:44:11.528
102 C-9.

1908
01:44:13.283 --> 01:44:16.105
If there's a second to that I'll speak to it.

1909
01:44:16.105 --> 01:44:16.938
Okay.

1910
01:44:16.938 --> 01:44:18.496
Can I speak to that just quickly?

1911
01:44:18.496 --> 01:44:20.964
Yeah, so 7.102 C-9 is where

1912
01:44:20.964 --> 01:44:24.419
we get our authority to even grant

1913
01:44:24.419 --> 01:44:27.251
a charter or actually now veto a charter,

1914
01:44:27.251 --> 01:44:28.418
so we might as well have this

1915
01:44:28.418 --> 01:44:31.168
refer to the appropriate section.

1916
01:44:42.522 --> 01:44:46.237
<v ->Okay, technically, you are amending language</v>

1917
01:44:46.237 --> 01:44:48.148
that does not touch, think of it

1918
01:44:48.148 --> 01:44:50.696
like three year olds who don't want their food

1919
01:44:50.696 --> 01:44:54.412
to touch, you always want your secondary amendment

1920
01:44:54.412 --> 01:44:56.486
to touch the primary amendment.

1921
01:44:56.486 --> 01:44:59.569
If it doesn't touch, then it's either

1922
01:45:00.641 --> 01:45:04.058
out of order or you can without objection

1923
01:45:05.150 --> 01:45:08.186
take up a non-touching amendment.

1924
01:45:08.186 --> 01:45:10.269
Does that make sense?

1925
01:45:10.269 --> 01:45:12.126
<v Rowley>Like to mix all my food together to eat it.</v>

1926
01:45:12.126 --> 01:45:13.859
<v ->I understand, but that's because</v>

1927
01:45:13.859 --> 01:45:15.733
you're more evolved than a three-year-old.

1928
01:45:15.733 --> 01:45:16.932
(laughter)

1929
01:45:16.932 --> 01:45:21.015
<v Rowley>Thank you for that, I appreciate that.</v>

1930
01:45:22.096 --> 01:45:23.564
<v Bahorich>So to be clear,</v>

1931
01:45:23.564 --> 01:45:26.231
Mr. Rowley, you want to change--

1932
01:45:27.295 --> 01:45:29.950
<v ->It needs to be no objection to that--</v>

1933
01:45:29.950 --> 01:45:30.783
<v Bahorich>Right, but I mean,</v>

1934
01:45:30.783 --> 01:45:31.990
you're adding, let's make sure

1935
01:45:31.990 --> 01:45:34.088
that we say exactly what the--

1936
01:45:34.088 --> 01:45:37.005
<v ->7.102 C-9 in place of 12.101 B-0.</v>

1937
01:45:40.110 --> 01:45:42.917
<v ->Is there any objection to making that clarification?</v>

1938
01:45:42.917 --> 01:45:43.750
Hearing none.

1939
01:45:43.750 --> 01:45:44.583
Okay.

1940
01:45:46.225 --> 01:45:47.258
All right.

1941
01:45:47.258 --> 01:45:48.274
Yes?

1942
01:45:48.274 --> 01:45:51.614
<v Cortez>So does that help, legal?</v>

1943
01:45:51.614 --> 01:45:53.110
I mean, does that clean it up,

1944
01:45:53.110 --> 01:45:55.105
'cause I know we had a lot of conversations about this--

1945
01:45:55.105 --> 01:45:57.462
<v ->What you've done is you've now referenced it</v>

1946
01:45:57.462 --> 01:46:00.295
to a section that says you approve

1947
01:46:02.703 --> 01:46:06.786
charter applications which I would say you don't,

1948
01:46:08.260 --> 01:46:11.413
under chapter 12 the commissioner does.

1949
01:46:11.413 --> 01:46:15.163
And that you approve revisions to amendments.

1950
01:46:16.005 --> 01:46:19.208
So it is the more appropriate citation

1951
01:46:19.208 --> 01:46:22.154
for what you are pursuing,

1952
01:46:22.154 --> 01:46:23.469
I just have to warn you

1953
01:46:23.469 --> 01:46:26.719
that I think that citation is outdated.

1954
01:46:28.078 --> 01:46:28.911
And--

1955
01:46:29.811 --> 01:46:30.644
<v Cortez>It's there.</v>

1956
01:46:30.644 --> 01:46:31.908
<v ->I would also have to,</v>

1957
01:46:31.908 --> 01:46:34.991
I should also tell you that now I am,

1958
01:46:36.435 --> 01:46:39.935
we may be less than your best legal advice

1959
01:46:41.310 --> 01:46:43.735
since we work for the commissioner

1960
01:46:43.735 --> 01:46:47.402
and you are currently discussing a provision

1961
01:46:48.427 --> 01:46:50.844
that argues you're different.

1962
01:46:53.077 --> 01:46:56.232
So with that, as long as you understand,

1963
01:46:56.232 --> 01:46:57.832
I will continue to provide you advice

1964
01:46:57.832 --> 01:47:00.429
if you want to continue to hear from me,

1965
01:47:00.429 --> 01:47:02.675
but on this I will point out

1966
01:47:02.675 --> 01:47:05.343
that I work for the commissioner

1967
01:47:05.343 --> 01:47:08.562
and what you're pursuing is a challenge

1968
01:47:08.562 --> 01:47:11.468
versus your two different authorities.

1969
01:47:11.468 --> 01:47:13.634
<v Cortez>So Von, but I'm--</v>

1970
01:47:13.634 --> 01:47:14.794
<v ->Well, yeah, I mean, you just may,</v>

1971
01:47:14.794 --> 01:47:17.211
like I think the member here.

1972
01:47:18.339 --> 01:47:21.717
<v ->I'm only referring to revisions and amendments,</v>

1973
01:47:21.717 --> 01:47:23.737
not new charters, I understand what our role

1974
01:47:23.737 --> 01:47:27.100
is on the new charter and we only have the veto authority.

1975
01:47:27.100 --> 01:47:30.393
But it seems broad, it seems that we have

1976
01:47:30.393 --> 01:47:33.355
that authority in 102 C-9.

1977
01:47:33.355 --> 01:47:34.188
So--

1978
01:47:34.188 --> 01:47:36.438
<v ->The citation to 7.102 C-9</v>

1979
01:47:38.443 --> 01:47:40.883
includes two things of authority,

1980
01:47:40.883 --> 01:47:44.896
the board may grant an open enrollment charter

1981
01:47:44.896 --> 01:47:48.083
or approve a charter revision.

1982
01:47:48.083 --> 01:47:52.019
So it references two lines of authority, the first one--

1983
01:47:52.019 --> 01:47:53.769
<v Cortez>Which one?</v>

1984
01:47:56.393 --> 01:47:59.810
<v ->Here's the citation for it, right here.</v>

1985
01:48:01.441 --> 01:48:02.733
<v Bahorich>Go ahead, Von, sorry.</v>

1986
01:48:02.733 --> 01:48:04.233
<v ->Oh, no, I was...</v>

1987
01:48:05.886 --> 01:48:07.124
<v Bahorich>Oh, you finished?</v>

1988
01:48:07.124 --> 01:48:07.957
Oh.

1989
01:48:10.895 --> 01:48:13.791
<v ->So I understand Von's point,</v>

1990
01:48:13.791 --> 01:48:17.205
I guess what I want to understand better is,

1991
01:48:17.205 --> 01:48:18.983
so I'm looking at the Texas Education Code

1992
01:48:18.983 --> 01:48:21.369
where it reads, does this mean,

1993
01:48:21.369 --> 01:48:23.540
I mean, so I guess this, essentially

1994
01:48:23.540 --> 01:48:25.889
the Texas Education Code is outdated.

1995
01:48:25.889 --> 01:48:28.571
It needs to be updated.

1996
01:48:28.571 --> 01:48:31.404
And so who, where can we fix that?

1997
01:48:32.843 --> 01:48:33.926
Okay.

1998
01:48:33.926 --> 01:48:35.974
<v ->Yeah, the legislature can fix it,</v>

1999
01:48:35.974 --> 01:48:38.505
what you would see similar

2000
01:48:38.505 --> 01:48:41.588
if you look at section C-5 and 7.102,

2001
01:48:43.471 --> 01:48:48.471
this was, the analogy I was using to another experience

2002
01:48:48.483 --> 01:48:50.839
that you'd had is that at one time

2003
01:48:50.839 --> 01:48:54.703
this board set the passing standard on tests,

2004
01:48:54.703 --> 01:48:57.263
the legislature changed that in chapter 39

2005
01:48:57.263 --> 01:48:59.087
and gave that to the commissioner,

2006
01:48:59.087 --> 01:49:01.360
didn't repeal this reference,

2007
01:49:01.360 --> 01:49:03.534
and then we had an AG opinion that came down

2008
01:49:03.534 --> 01:49:07.034
and decided no, as Maska had said earlier,

2009
01:49:08.011 --> 01:49:11.392
the later in law, when in conflict,

2010
01:49:11.392 --> 01:49:14.952
the later one passed is the one that rules.

2011
01:49:14.952 --> 01:49:18.535
So using that same analogy, you would have,

2012
01:49:20.328 --> 01:49:23.283
the legislature has said the board doesn't approve

2013
01:49:23.283 --> 01:49:27.114
but has a veto authority and that the board,

2014
01:49:27.114 --> 01:49:28.829
that the commissioner is the one that approves

2015
01:49:28.829 --> 01:49:30.564
revisions to charters.

2016
01:49:30.564 --> 01:49:33.647
And they did not change this section.

2017
01:49:40.948 --> 01:49:43.280
<v ->Okay, so if I may speak in favor</v>

2018
01:49:43.280 --> 01:49:45.530
of my colleague's proposal,

2019
01:49:47.373 --> 01:49:51.515
primarily because right now if an ISD wants to expand,

2020
01:49:51.515 --> 01:49:53.176
they have to pass a bond and there's plenty,

2021
01:49:53.176 --> 01:49:55.901
there's the time and opportunity for taxpayers

2022
01:49:55.901 --> 01:49:58.486
to go before their trustees to speak

2023
01:49:58.486 --> 01:50:02.059
for or against the agreement to increase their taxes,

2024
01:50:02.059 --> 01:50:03.916
pass a bond for new buildings.

2025
01:50:03.916 --> 01:50:07.908
However, when we're talking about the expansion of charters,

2026
01:50:07.908 --> 01:50:10.006
the minimal and only requirement

2027
01:50:10.006 --> 01:50:12.391
is an impact statement that trustees review,

2028
01:50:12.391 --> 01:50:14.146
but that there is nothing that can be

2029
01:50:14.146 --> 01:50:15.756
actually be done about that.

2030
01:50:15.756 --> 01:50:19.289
When we're talking about this revision,

2031
01:50:19.289 --> 01:50:21.630
which would include expansion,

2032
01:50:21.630 --> 01:50:24.504
this does require the posting,

2033
01:50:24.504 --> 01:50:26.685
this does give notice to the public,

2034
01:50:26.685 --> 01:50:28.796
this does give the public an opportunity

2035
01:50:28.796 --> 01:50:32.945
to speak for or against and as it currently stands,

2036
01:50:32.945 --> 01:50:35.567
public does not have that opportunity.

2037
01:50:35.567 --> 01:50:37.303
It's simply forced upon them,

2038
01:50:37.303 --> 01:50:39.101
we're hijacking their tax dollars

2039
01:50:39.101 --> 01:50:41.355
and they have absolutely no representation.

2040
01:50:41.355 --> 01:50:43.631
This amendment would give them

2041
01:50:43.631 --> 01:50:45.992
at the very least an opportunity

2042
01:50:45.992 --> 01:50:48.229
to represent their best interest.

2043
01:50:48.229 --> 01:50:51.396
And we have taken that away from them.

2044
01:51:09.300 --> 01:51:10.682
<v ->Yeah, and Ms. Perez-Diaz, you know,</v>

2045
01:51:10.682 --> 01:51:12.506
when you talk about the ability to be able

2046
01:51:12.506 --> 01:51:15.260
to take out and clean it up, when Mr. Byer

2047
01:51:15.260 --> 01:51:17.187
mentioned the other, the cut scores,

2048
01:51:17.187 --> 01:51:19.224
I was one who brought up that question and I think,

2049
01:51:19.224 --> 01:51:22.078
and I asked the same question, why don't we clean this up?

2050
01:51:22.078 --> 01:51:24.122
But correct me Mr. Byer if I'm wrong,

2051
01:51:24.122 --> 01:51:25.514
just like when we do a teacher revision,

2052
01:51:25.514 --> 01:51:28.149
if we open up this chapter for revision,

2053
01:51:28.149 --> 01:51:30.041
we may just want to be cleaning up these two things

2054
01:51:30.041 --> 01:51:31.215
but there's no promise that someone

2055
01:51:31.215 --> 01:51:34.281
in the legislature might want to clean off

2056
01:51:34.281 --> 01:51:36.197
a few other things with that.

2057
01:51:36.197 --> 01:51:37.182
Now--

2058
01:51:37.182 --> 01:51:38.883
(laughter)

2059
01:51:38.883 --> 01:51:39.716
You open the barn door,

2060
01:51:39.716 --> 01:51:42.498
and let a few things out and a few can come in also.

2061
01:51:42.498 --> 01:51:44.078
So if I understand right,

2062
01:51:44.078 --> 01:51:45.153
I think what the purpose is is

2063
01:51:45.153 --> 01:51:48.362
we're wanting input to the commissioner

2064
01:51:48.362 --> 01:51:50.133
on charter revisions which

2065
01:51:50.133 --> 01:51:52.536
we don't have any authority on that we're hearing.

2066
01:51:52.536 --> 01:51:54.974
Would it be appropriate for this body

2067
01:51:54.974 --> 01:51:58.308
to have a communication with the commissioner

2068
01:51:58.308 --> 01:51:59.705
to find out if there's an avenue

2069
01:51:59.705 --> 01:52:04.705
where he would accept feedback from this board, what's that?

2070
01:52:06.666 --> 01:52:09.795
It's the avenue that doesn't exist, I think currently.

2071
01:52:09.795 --> 01:52:11.759
But to take a true avenue, an avenue that would,

2072
01:52:11.759 --> 01:52:13.716
you know, if he would be open to that,

2073
01:52:13.716 --> 01:52:15.770
to say that we would like to have input

2074
01:52:15.770 --> 01:52:18.362
on the front end, on the back end veto,

2075
01:52:18.362 --> 01:52:21.041
and he may or may not be open to that,

2076
01:52:21.041 --> 01:52:22.241
but to have a discussion to set up

2077
01:52:22.241 --> 01:52:25.908
a path of what my colleague is recommending.

2078
01:52:29.028 --> 01:52:32.036
<v ->Yeah, so you certainly could work</v>

2079
01:52:32.036 --> 01:52:34.196
with the commissioner depending upon how

2080
01:52:34.196 --> 01:52:38.266
he would like to do that, could set up a process.

2081
01:52:38.266 --> 01:52:40.741
I would just remind you under his authority

2082
01:52:40.741 --> 01:52:44.491
in 12.114, he has 60 days to make a decision.

2083
01:52:45.579 --> 01:52:49.585
So whether that lines up with an ability

2084
01:52:49.585 --> 01:52:54.585
to get feedback from you based upon your meeting schedules,

2085
01:52:55.029 --> 01:52:58.199
would depend throughout the year.

2086
01:52:58.199 --> 01:52:59.032
So.

2087
01:53:02.452 --> 01:53:06.059
<v ->I do want to make sure that it is posted,</v>

2088
01:53:06.059 --> 01:53:08.367
actually, the amendments and revisions,

2089
01:53:08.367 --> 01:53:10.720
I think Heather's back here,

2090
01:53:10.720 --> 01:53:11.662
Heather, how do we find it,

2091
01:53:11.662 --> 01:53:14.277
is it under the charter school, where is that?

2092
01:53:14.277 --> 01:53:16.911
The charter amendments and revisions?

2093
01:53:16.911 --> 01:53:18.292
<v Heather>Madam Chair, I've got it pulled up.</v>

2094
01:53:18.292 --> 01:53:19.125
<v ->Okay.</v>

2095
01:53:19.125 --> 01:53:21.958
<v ->It's on the charter school page,</v>

2096
01:53:23.497 --> 01:53:25.747
down under other resources,

2097
01:53:27.692 --> 01:53:29.059
there's a link for applications,

2098
01:53:29.059 --> 01:53:31.492
amendments, and boundaries, and when you click on that

2099
01:53:31.492 --> 01:53:33.253
it shows every charter

2100
01:53:33.253 --> 01:53:36.421
and then all of the various documents.

2101
01:53:36.421 --> 01:53:37.750
<v ->Okay.</v>

2102
01:53:37.750 --> 01:53:38.583
So I just want to make sure

2103
01:53:38.583 --> 01:53:40.675
that there is public notice about that.

2104
01:53:40.675 --> 01:53:42.973
So I just want to make sure that folks knew

2105
01:53:42.973 --> 01:53:45.380
that you could, it is on the website.

2106
01:53:45.380 --> 01:53:47.144
I think Ms. Cargill, and then Ms.- yeah.

2107
01:53:47.144 --> 01:53:49.809
<v ->No, I just want to reiterate what Dr. Ellis said,</v>

2108
01:53:49.809 --> 01:53:52.947
I mean, we can't vote to have authority

2109
01:53:52.947 --> 01:53:54.775
on something over which we have no authority.

2110
01:53:54.775 --> 01:53:56.168
That just doesn't make any sense.

2111
01:53:56.168 --> 01:53:59.710
And we're putting the agency in a bind of,

2112
01:53:59.710 --> 01:54:00.757
you know, like you said you're speaking

2113
01:54:00.757 --> 01:54:02.136
for the commissioner and such,

2114
01:54:02.136 --> 01:54:03.800
but I think it'd be a great idea

2115
01:54:03.800 --> 01:54:05.379
to have a discussion with the commissioner

2116
01:54:05.379 --> 01:54:09.005
about different avenues so that the public can be heard.

2117
01:54:09.005 --> 01:54:10.463
Like Ms. Perez said.

2118
01:54:10.463 --> 01:54:11.898
So.

2119
01:54:11.898 --> 01:54:13.231
I can't vote for something over which

2120
01:54:13.231 --> 01:54:14.855
we have no authority in the fir--

2121
01:54:14.855 --> 01:54:17.105
(no audio)

2122
01:54:20.385 --> 01:54:22.006
<v ->Well, the problem with that</v>

2123
01:54:22.006 --> 01:54:23.616
or the issue that I have with that

2124
01:54:23.616 --> 01:54:24.886
is that amendments are posted

2125
01:54:24.886 --> 01:54:26.274
after they're approved,

2126
01:54:26.274 --> 01:54:28.714
so where is the opportunity for public comment?

2127
01:54:28.714 --> 01:54:30.617
Where is the opportunity for taxpayers

2128
01:54:30.617 --> 01:54:32.416
to come in and voice their concerns?

2129
01:54:32.416 --> 01:54:36.579
Whether their concerns are in support or not?

2130
01:54:36.579 --> 01:54:38.552
They are simply not given the opportunity

2131
01:54:38.552 --> 01:54:42.227
to hear the discussion, to be part of the discussion,

2132
01:54:42.227 --> 01:54:45.329
to speak for, there's absolutely no representation.

2133
01:54:45.329 --> 01:54:48.248
And it's one thing to say that it's posted on the page,

2134
01:54:48.248 --> 01:54:50.410
but it's quite another to say it's only posted

2135
01:54:50.410 --> 01:54:52.173
after they've been approved.

2136
01:54:52.173 --> 01:54:53.281
So once again, we're going back

2137
01:54:53.281 --> 01:54:55.671
to the taxation without representation,

2138
01:54:55.671 --> 01:54:57.932
we're not even allowing them to know about it

2139
01:54:57.932 --> 01:55:00.435
in advance and telling them when it's going

2140
01:55:00.435 --> 01:55:02.097
to be heard and giving them the opportunity

2141
01:55:02.097 --> 01:55:03.724
to speak for or against.

2142
01:55:03.724 --> 01:55:06.609
We're simply telling them thank you for your tax dollars,

2143
01:55:06.609 --> 01:55:09.609
this is how we're going to use them.

2144
01:55:12.738 --> 01:55:14.143
<v ->Yes.</v>

2145
01:55:14.143 --> 01:55:17.060
<v ->And if I could add, in 7.102 C-9,</v>

2146
01:55:18.204 --> 01:55:19.883
it does give us authority.

2147
01:55:19.883 --> 01:55:21.966
But in 12.114 it doesn't.

2148
01:55:24.272 --> 01:55:26.772
But on the 102, it talks about

2149
01:55:28.661 --> 01:55:31.418
new charter and charter revision.

2150
01:55:31.418 --> 01:55:34.251
On 114, it talks about new charter

2151
01:55:35.681 --> 01:55:38.348
and we only have veto authority.

2152
01:55:39.626 --> 01:55:42.056
While they both come together,

2153
01:55:42.056 --> 01:55:44.723
my new language is only specific

2154
01:55:45.981 --> 01:55:48.814
to the revision and the amendment,

2155
01:55:50.031 --> 01:55:51.509
because I understand that we only have

2156
01:55:51.509 --> 01:55:53.342
veto authority on 114.

2157
01:55:54.658 --> 01:55:56.890
So I'm trying to be as clear as possible

2158
01:55:56.890 --> 01:55:59.435
because I understand what the language

2159
01:55:59.435 --> 01:56:01.871
in the other section says.

2160
01:56:01.871 --> 01:56:03.958
But until the legislature cleans it up,

2161
01:56:03.958 --> 01:56:06.671
I believe that we do have that authority.

2162
01:56:06.671 --> 01:56:09.185
And they haven't disagreed other than to say

2163
01:56:09.185 --> 01:56:12.621
if you do this, you know, we put ourselves

2164
01:56:12.621 --> 01:56:14.751
in conflict with one another perhaps.

2165
01:56:14.751 --> 01:56:17.162
When we're having these conversations.

2166
01:56:17.162 --> 01:56:20.210
But that doesn't mean that we are not allowed to.

2167
01:56:20.210 --> 01:56:22.420
And so long as it is our authority,

2168
01:56:22.420 --> 01:56:24.247
we should not be giving up more

2169
01:56:24.247 --> 01:56:26.725
of our authority to anybody else.

2170
01:56:26.725 --> 01:56:28.804
When we're always fighting for additional authority

2171
01:56:28.804 --> 01:56:31.690
and somehow we get stripped of this authority.

2172
01:56:31.690 --> 01:56:35.857
We have an opportunity to take it back, we should.

2173
01:56:38.908 --> 01:56:43.190
<v ->Let's go ahead and vote on that amendment and--</v>

2174
01:56:43.190 --> 01:56:44.588
Roll call?

2175
01:56:44.588 --> 01:56:45.575
Yes.

2176
01:56:45.575 --> 01:56:47.244
We can do that.

2177
01:56:47.244 --> 01:56:50.661
So on the evaluation of charter revision,

2178
01:56:51.546 --> 01:56:53.837
adding the language charter revisions

2179
01:56:53.837 --> 01:56:58.837
or charter amendment to 3.3-C under the acceptance of gifts

2180
01:56:59.217 --> 01:57:03.104
and grants for charter school evaluation,

2181
01:57:03.104 --> 01:57:06.221
and go ahead and, I don't know who's reading roll call.

2182
01:57:06.221 --> 01:57:07.054
<v Ratcliffe>I can do that.</v>

2183
01:57:07.054 --> 01:57:08.011
<v ->Okay, Debbie.</v>

2184
01:57:08.011 --> 01:57:08.928
<v ->Ms Perez?</v>

2185
01:57:10.988 --> 01:57:12.985
<v Perez>Yes, I vote in favor...</v>

2186
01:57:12.985 --> 01:57:14.531
<v ->Mr. Cortez?</v>

2187
01:57:14.531 --> 01:57:15.364
<v Cortez>Yes.</v>

2188
01:57:15.364 --> 01:57:16.553
<v ->Ms. Perez-Diaz?</v>

2189
01:57:16.553 --> 01:57:18.072
<v Perez-Diaz>Yes.</v>

2190
01:57:18.072 --> 01:57:19.166
<v ->Mr. Allen?</v>

2191
01:57:19.166 --> 01:57:20.273
<v Allen>Yes.</v>

2192
01:57:20.273 --> 01:57:21.902
<v ->Mr. Mercer?</v>

2193
01:57:21.902 --> 01:57:23.069
<v Mercer>No.</v>

2194
01:57:24.063 --> 01:57:25.313
<v ->Ms. Bahorich?</v>

2195
01:57:26.491 --> 01:57:28.385
<v Bahorich>No.</v>

2196
01:57:28.385 --> 01:57:29.729
<v ->Dr. Robinson?</v>

2197
01:57:29.729 --> 01:57:31.454
<v Robinson>Yes.</v>

2198
01:57:31.454 --> 01:57:32.513
<v ->Ms. Cargill?</v>

2199
01:57:32.513 --> 01:57:33.710
<v Cargill>No.</v>

2200
01:57:33.710 --> 01:57:34.814
<v ->Dr. Ellis?</v>

2201
01:57:34.814 --> 01:57:36.546
<v Ellis>No.</v>

2202
01:57:36.546 --> 01:57:37.691
<v ->Mr. Maynard?</v>

2203
01:57:37.691 --> 01:57:39.707
<v Maynard>No.</v>

2204
01:57:39.707 --> 01:57:40.702
<v ->Ms. Hardy?</v>

2205
01:57:40.702 --> 01:57:42.139
<v Hardy>No.</v>

2206
01:57:42.139 --> 01:57:43.102
<v ->Ms. Little?</v>

2207
01:57:43.102 --> 01:57:44.725
<v Little>No.</v>

2208
01:57:44.725 --> 01:57:45.754
<v ->Ms. Davis?</v>

2209
01:57:45.754 --> 01:57:47.458
<v Davis>Yes.</v>

2210
01:57:47.458 --> 01:57:49.010
<v ->Ms. Melton-Malone?</v>

2211
01:57:49.010 --> 01:57:50.473
<v Melton-Malone>No.</v>

2212
01:57:50.473 --> 01:57:51.487
<v ->And Mr. Rowley?</v>

2213
01:57:51.487 --> 01:57:52.737
<v Rowley>Yes.</v>

2214
01:57:57.137 --> 01:57:59.220
<v ->Seven yes and eight no.</v>

2215
01:58:01.217 --> 01:58:02.050
Nos.

2216
01:58:08.885 --> 01:58:11.002
<v ->Now what's the next one?</v>

2217
01:58:11.002 --> 01:58:13.756
<v ->And we're down to our last four or five amendments.</v>

2218
01:58:13.756 --> 01:58:14.964
<v Bahorich>Okay, right.</v>

2219
01:58:14.964 --> 01:58:18.205
<v ->And just to give you a time check, it's now 1:52.</v>

2220
01:58:18.205 --> 01:58:20.249
<v ->Yeah, so we need to...</v>

2221
01:58:20.249 --> 01:58:25.249
I think the rest of them were just clean-up things, right?

2222
01:58:25.581 --> 01:58:26.414
<v Ratcliffe>Yes.</v>

2223
01:58:26.414 --> 01:58:28.143
I would say so.

2224
01:58:28.143 --> 01:58:29.727
<v ->Where, what's the next one?</v>

2225
01:58:29.727 --> 01:58:32.144
<v ->The next one is on SBOE-21,</v>

2226
01:58:33.219 --> 01:58:35.704
where we've suggested striking the phrase

2227
01:58:35.704 --> 01:58:39.280
mandatory 30 days because that's a phrase

2228
01:58:39.280 --> 01:58:41.678
I'm told is technically not accurate

2229
01:58:41.678 --> 01:58:44.403
the way it's used there.

2230
01:58:44.403 --> 01:58:46.021
<v ->Any objection?</v>

2231
01:58:46.021 --> 01:58:47.104
Hearing none.

2232
01:58:48.662 --> 01:58:49.953
All right, next.

2233
01:58:49.953 --> 01:58:52.370
<v ->The next one is on SBOE-23,</v>

2234
01:58:54.687 --> 01:58:58.687
and this deals with when the proposed amendments

2235
01:59:00.271 --> 01:59:03.921
to TEKS come in on second reading.

2236
01:59:03.921 --> 01:59:06.478
You know, we have a rule that

2237
01:59:06.478 --> 01:59:08.219
where you turn them in early so the public

2238
01:59:08.219 --> 01:59:10.421
has a chance to look at them,

2239
01:59:10.421 --> 01:59:12.523
the deadline is a little tricky

2240
01:59:12.523 --> 01:59:14.183
because it's five p.m. or two hours

2241
01:59:14.183 --> 01:59:16.768
following the adjournment,

2242
01:59:16.768 --> 01:59:20.762
we're suggesting just a cleaner new deadline

2243
01:59:20.762 --> 01:59:23.560
because when those get posted to the website

2244
01:59:23.560 --> 01:59:26.277
it involves three different divisions of the agency.

2245
01:59:26.277 --> 01:59:28.604
So we're trying to coordinate with a lot of people

2246
01:59:28.604 --> 01:59:31.634
after hours to post those whereas

2247
01:59:31.634 --> 01:59:35.003
if it was a noon deadline it'd be simpler

2248
01:59:35.003 --> 01:59:39.974
and typically you have your amendments ready by then.

2249
01:59:39.974 --> 01:59:41.506
<v ->Any objection to moving that back</v>

2250
01:59:41.506 --> 01:59:45.939
so we don't have to involve so many departments after hours?

2251
01:59:45.939 --> 01:59:47.003
Hearing none.

2252
01:59:47.003 --> 01:59:47.871
<v Perez>I have a question.</v>

2253
01:59:47.871 --> 01:59:48.704
<v ->Yes.</v>

2254
01:59:48.704 --> 01:59:49.829
Yeah, yeah.

2255
01:59:49.829 --> 01:59:53.718
<v ->Okay, so, when Ms. Hardy and I were working</v>

2256
01:59:53.718 --> 01:59:57.635
on many social studies streamlining amendments,

2257
01:59:59.467 --> 02:00:03.134
that was in response to our Tuesday meeting,

2258
02:00:04.161 --> 02:00:06.578
and after our vote on Tuesday

2259
02:00:07.604 --> 02:00:11.024
we received several public comments

2260
02:00:11.024 --> 02:00:13.341
about this is in conflict with that,

2261
02:00:13.341 --> 02:00:14.504
this would clean up this,

2262
02:00:14.504 --> 02:00:16.975
this would be a better streamlining, et cetera.

2263
02:00:16.975 --> 02:00:20.642
Personally, I was sending things at 4:59.59,

2264
02:00:22.339 --> 02:00:24.747
at the very last second.

2265
02:00:24.747 --> 02:00:28.394
Voting in favor of something like this would have,

2266
02:00:28.394 --> 02:00:31.751
would eliminate the ability to do that or it would not?

2267
02:00:31.751 --> 02:00:35.060
<v ->No ma'am, so if you think about the way</v>

2268
02:00:35.060 --> 02:00:37.559
your meetings are scheduled and recognizing

2269
02:00:37.559 --> 02:00:41.357
that you might do something differently,

2270
02:00:41.357 --> 02:00:43.188
the day before the final vote

2271
02:00:43.188 --> 02:00:46.458
is when you have your other committees.

2272
02:00:46.458 --> 02:00:49.271
So what you just described, you actually needed

2273
02:00:49.271 --> 02:00:51.487
to get those amendments into us sooner,

2274
02:00:51.487 --> 02:00:53.103
what we're saying is this would essentially

2275
02:00:53.103 --> 02:00:57.360
say everything would be in by noon on Thursday

2276
02:00:57.360 --> 02:00:59.812
when presumably you would have had Committee

2277
02:00:59.812 --> 02:01:03.435
of the Full Board on Tuesday or Wednesday,

2278
02:01:03.435 --> 02:01:06.736
so actually I think gives you more time

2279
02:01:06.736 --> 02:01:09.319
and it makes it possible for us

2280
02:01:10.375 --> 02:01:12.214
during the workday on Thursday

2281
02:01:12.214 --> 02:01:14.022
to get that information posted so that

2282
02:01:14.022 --> 02:01:16.885
by the time everybody gets here on Friday

2283
02:01:16.885 --> 02:01:18.437
there would have been an opportunity

2284
02:01:18.437 --> 02:01:19.703
for folks to review anything

2285
02:01:19.703 --> 02:01:21.139
that you were going to consider.

2286
02:01:21.139 --> 02:01:23.588
So I think originally we were trying

2287
02:01:23.588 --> 02:01:27.765
to account for a variety of possibilities

2288
02:01:27.765 --> 02:01:31.669
and then we got ourselves a little bit confused

2289
02:01:31.669 --> 02:01:33.939
about what this language really meant.

2290
02:01:33.939 --> 02:01:37.153
And so when we just took a step back to think about it,

2291
02:01:37.153 --> 02:01:39.567
noon on Thursday seems reasonable

2292
02:01:39.567 --> 02:01:43.479
because I think there have been a couple of instances

2293
02:01:43.479 --> 02:01:44.906
where you might have carried over

2294
02:01:44.906 --> 02:01:48.300
into a Thursday but that's very rare.

2295
02:01:48.300 --> 02:01:49.133
<v Maynard>Madam Chair.</v>

2296
02:01:49.133 --> 02:01:50.248
<v Bahorich>Yes, Mr. Maynard?</v>

2297
02:01:50.248 --> 02:01:51.233
<v ->And just a clarification,</v>

2298
02:01:51.233 --> 02:01:54.658
when that particular rule was written,

2299
02:01:54.658 --> 02:01:56.766
we used to have our other committee meetings

2300
02:01:56.766 --> 02:01:58.328
earlier in the week and then we did

2301
02:01:58.328 --> 02:02:01.192
the Committee of the Full Board on Thursday.

2302
02:02:01.192 --> 02:02:02.025
<v Bahorich>Right.</v>

2303
02:02:02.025 --> 02:02:03.202
<v ->So it was kind of written with that in mind.</v>

2304
02:02:03.202 --> 02:02:04.035
<v Bahorich>With that in mind.</v>

2305
02:02:04.035 --> 02:02:06.688
<v ->But then when we changed our meeting schedule,</v>

2306
02:02:06.688 --> 02:02:09.629
it kind of fouled that one up just a tad.

2307
02:02:09.629 --> 02:02:10.462
<v ->Yeah.</v>

2308
02:02:10.462 --> 02:02:11.399
So there's just, the bottom line

2309
02:02:11.399 --> 02:02:13.964
is we're trying not to have to involve staff

2310
02:02:13.964 --> 02:02:16.501
after hours when we can turn this

2311
02:02:16.501 --> 02:02:20.306
in on noon before the second and final vote.

2312
02:02:20.306 --> 02:02:21.738
Any other comments?

2313
02:02:21.738 --> 02:02:23.079
Yes, Ms. Cargill?

2314
02:02:23.079 --> 02:02:26.776
<v ->I just want to say something in response to Ms. Perez.</v>

2315
02:02:26.776 --> 02:02:28.991
Or not in response but,

2316
02:02:28.991 --> 02:02:31.236
so let's say we have a very late meeting on Wednesday,

2317
02:02:31.236 --> 02:02:33.735
this happened with the social studies.

2318
02:02:33.735 --> 02:02:35.843
The first opportunity, and then you know,

2319
02:02:35.843 --> 02:02:38.503
we have our committee meetings on Thursday.

2320
02:02:38.503 --> 02:02:39.687
And I can't stay up 'til three

2321
02:02:39.687 --> 02:02:43.244
like some of you spring chickens can with a full brain.

2322
02:02:43.244 --> 02:02:44.824
So really the first chance we had to work

2323
02:02:44.824 --> 02:02:46.127
on those amendments from the public

2324
02:02:46.127 --> 02:02:48.399
was Thursday afternoon after our committee meeting,

2325
02:02:48.399 --> 02:02:50.232
so now that goes away.

2326
02:02:52.435 --> 02:02:53.309
I know but this would go away,

2327
02:02:53.309 --> 02:02:56.309
'cause they'd have to be in by noon.

2328
02:02:58.136 --> 02:03:02.300
<v ->So it wouldn't, depending on your consideration</v>

2329
02:03:02.300 --> 02:03:04.184
of those amendments, because the last sentence

2330
02:03:04.184 --> 02:03:06.484
talks about amendments,

2331
02:03:06.484 --> 02:03:09.572
the rule may be suspended by a two thirds vote.

2332
02:03:09.572 --> 02:03:12.905
So you've still given yourselves an out,

2333
02:03:13.758 --> 02:03:14.851
but this would just,

2334
02:03:14.851 --> 02:03:16.832
anything that we have by noon

2335
02:03:16.832 --> 02:03:20.045
on that Thursday we would be more confident

2336
02:03:20.045 --> 02:03:23.295
in being able to get it posted for you.

2337
02:03:24.272 --> 02:03:25.327
<v ->I'm just trying to be realistic</v>

2338
02:03:25.327 --> 02:03:28.352
about getting something, I mean it's extreme,

2339
02:03:28.352 --> 02:03:29.298
we're not always going to have

2340
02:03:29.298 --> 02:03:31.798
these late night things, but--

2341
02:03:33.222 --> 02:03:35.416
<v ->So on those late nights I think</v>

2342
02:03:35.416 --> 02:03:39.698
you could by two thirds vote suspend this.

2343
02:03:39.698 --> 02:03:42.544
<v ->Before we leave, we could take care of that?</v>

2344
02:03:42.544 --> 02:03:45.077
(inaudible response)

2345
02:03:45.077 --> 02:03:46.644
Okay, I'm fine as long as there's a way out

2346
02:03:46.644 --> 02:03:49.700
for those of us that don't function at three a.m.

2347
02:03:49.700 --> 02:03:50.755
Very well.

2348
02:03:50.755 --> 02:03:52.261
<v ->Yeah, I would speak in favor of the amendment,</v>

2349
02:03:52.261 --> 02:03:53.452
number one it gives you more time

2350
02:03:53.452 --> 02:03:55.321
than what we've had before.

2351
02:03:55.321 --> 02:03:57.252
It was five o'clock p.m. the night

2352
02:03:57.252 --> 02:03:59.346
of the Committee of the Full Board.

2353
02:03:59.346 --> 02:04:00.544
Yes it does.

2354
02:04:00.544 --> 02:04:01.377
Yeah.

2355
02:04:01.377 --> 02:04:03.027
By five p.m. or two hours following the adjournment

2356
02:04:03.027 --> 02:04:04.235
of the committee of the full board,

2357
02:04:04.235 --> 02:04:06.729
that would have been on Tuesday or Wednesday.

2358
02:04:06.729 --> 02:04:09.146
And so it would have been by five o'clock then.

2359
02:04:09.146 --> 02:04:12.981
As it is now, it's moved to noon the next day

2360
02:04:12.981 --> 02:04:15.295
and it can be suspended by two-thirds vote,

2361
02:04:15.295 --> 02:04:17.628
but I personally want us to,

2362
02:04:19.279 --> 02:04:22.678
as much as possible try to achieve getting,

2363
02:04:22.678 --> 02:04:23.980
receiving those amendments

2364
02:04:23.980 --> 02:04:26.440
and them being posted for public viewing

2365
02:04:26.440 --> 02:04:29.607
and public comment before five o'clock

2366
02:04:30.879 --> 02:04:34.850
on Thursday or eight a.m. on Friday or whenever it was,

2367
02:04:34.850 --> 02:04:37.483
and I understand that was kind of an emergency situation,

2368
02:04:37.483 --> 02:04:41.111
but personally I felt like some of that amendment process

2369
02:04:41.111 --> 02:04:43.564
in social studies was a little bit rushed

2370
02:04:43.564 --> 02:04:46.733
and we didn't have the opportunity for public comment.

2371
02:04:46.733 --> 02:04:48.520
Not that we didn't make good decisions on it.

2372
02:04:48.520 --> 02:04:50.954
But still I think that the public ought to know

2373
02:04:50.954 --> 02:04:53.617
as much in advance as possible what it is

2374
02:04:53.617 --> 02:04:56.394
we're going to be considering on Friday amendments.

2375
02:04:56.394 --> 02:05:00.156
And so I would at least need it by noon on that day

2376
02:05:00.156 --> 02:05:02.453
and then if there's an exigent circumstance,

2377
02:05:02.453 --> 02:05:04.868
we can vote on two thirds by two thirds

2378
02:05:04.868 --> 02:05:07.868
and change that but so I'm in favor.

2379
02:05:10.019 --> 02:05:12.910
<v ->One of the issues I believe that caused</v>

2380
02:05:12.910 --> 02:05:17.160
our last minute 'til three in the morning work,

2381
02:05:17.160 --> 02:05:20.136
whether it was me alone or not,

2382
02:05:20.136 --> 02:05:23.794
was that we started a meeting on Tuesday

2383
02:05:23.794 --> 02:05:27.087
when that kind of meeting should have began on Monday.

2384
02:05:27.087 --> 02:05:27.920
Right?

2385
02:05:27.920 --> 02:05:29.566
Because if we had more time,

2386
02:05:29.566 --> 02:05:31.259
that's the kind of adjustment

2387
02:05:31.259 --> 02:05:34.497
that we should probably be considering,

2388
02:05:34.497 --> 02:05:36.236
I'm not saying in lieu of this,

2389
02:05:36.236 --> 02:05:37.857
I'm saying in conjunction with this.

2390
02:05:37.857 --> 02:05:39.292
When we know that we're going to have

2391
02:05:39.292 --> 02:05:41.792
quite a bit of public comment,

2392
02:05:42.717 --> 02:05:46.603
testifiers, several amendments, proposals,

2393
02:05:46.603 --> 02:05:49.203
we need to add a day to our meetings

2394
02:05:49.203 --> 02:05:51.953
and that in conjunction with this

2395
02:05:52.792 --> 02:05:56.504
would go a very long way in alleviating

2396
02:05:56.504 --> 02:06:00.335
your three o'clock nightmare. (laughs)

2397
02:06:00.335 --> 02:06:02.094
<v ->Any other questions?</v>

2398
02:06:02.094 --> 02:06:05.624
All those in favor of changing it to back to noon

2399
02:06:05.624 --> 02:06:07.146
on the day prior to the final vote

2400
02:06:07.146 --> 02:06:08.785
on the adoption of TEKS for the filing

2401
02:06:08.785 --> 02:06:12.432
of amendments on second reading, all those in favor say aye.

2402
02:06:12.432 --> 02:06:13.265
(multiple responses)

2403
02:06:13.265 --> 02:06:15.232
All those opposed say no.

2404
02:06:15.232 --> 02:06:17.232
Motion is adopted, okay.

2405
02:06:18.717 --> 02:06:21.634
<v ->The next amendment is on SBOE-24,</v>

2406
02:06:22.541 --> 02:06:24.807
we propose striking language

2407
02:06:24.807 --> 02:06:27.873
for a committee that the authority

2408
02:06:27.873 --> 02:06:31.315
for has been repealed and moved to another agency.

2409
02:06:31.315 --> 02:06:32.695
<v ->Again, this is clean-up.</v>

2410
02:06:32.695 --> 02:06:35.362
Any objection to that amendment?

2411
02:06:36.401 --> 02:06:37.484
Hearing none.

2412
02:06:41.058 --> 02:06:42.516
Any other?

2413
02:06:42.516 --> 02:06:43.557
Is that it?

2414
02:06:43.557 --> 02:06:45.802
<v ->I think Mr. Maynard has an amendment</v>

2415
02:06:45.802 --> 02:06:49.280
related to the resolution and probably Mr. Cortez too.

2416
02:06:49.280 --> 02:06:51.451
<v Bahorich>Okay.</v>

2417
02:06:51.451 --> 02:06:55.451
<v Maynard>Madam, we've got one on 4.2 as well.</v>

2418
02:07:00.840 --> 02:07:02.128
Yeah, it's actually the one before that,

2419
02:07:02.128 --> 02:07:05.878
Debbie, that's under my amendment number six.

2420
02:07:06.829 --> 02:07:08.246
Relates to 4.2 A.

2421
02:07:11.509 --> 02:07:13.719
And to include the school and board

2422
02:07:13.719 --> 02:07:16.302
in our distribution of agendas.

2423
02:07:17.701 --> 02:07:21.327
<v ->That's pretty obvious. (laughs)</v>

2424
02:07:21.327 --> 02:07:23.275
Any objection to that amendment?

2425
02:07:23.275 --> 02:07:24.393
Hearing none.

2426
02:07:24.393 --> 02:07:25.226
Okay.

2427
02:07:26.127 --> 02:07:26.960
<v Maynard>All right.</v>

2428
02:07:26.960 --> 02:07:27.793
<v ->Next.</v>

2429
02:07:27.793 --> 02:07:31.626
<v ->And then, okay, here's the resolution piece.</v>

2430
02:07:33.317 --> 02:07:35.984
And chair, I know that we amend,

2431
02:07:39.583 --> 02:07:41.817
on the last page, and it gets a little bit difficult

2432
02:07:41.817 --> 02:07:44.013
because there's a section there that says resolution

2433
02:07:44.013 --> 02:07:46.196
and it's not really assigned to a section,

2434
02:07:46.196 --> 02:07:48.053
but it says, so I'm proposing

2435
02:07:48.053 --> 02:07:49.752
that we strike this language

2436
02:07:49.752 --> 02:07:51.316
that specified in the operating rules

2437
02:07:51.316 --> 02:07:52.320
of the State Board of Education

2438
02:07:52.320 --> 02:07:54.057
the board may from time to time define

2439
02:07:54.057 --> 02:07:57.534
by resolution the areas of oversight

2440
02:07:57.534 --> 02:08:00.784
for each committee as may be necessary.

2441
02:08:02.668 --> 02:08:05.251
I move to strike that language.

2442
02:08:06.734 --> 02:08:10.626
And then to move those areas of oversight

2443
02:08:10.626 --> 02:08:14.560
into 1.2-A, Committees of the Full Board,

2444
02:08:14.560 --> 02:08:19.132
and then C, by inserting in the areas of oversight

2445
02:08:19.132 --> 02:08:22.299
after in 1.2-A, and then finally in D,

2446
02:08:23.603 --> 02:08:25.878
add a new subsection B that reads,

2447
02:08:25.878 --> 02:08:27.806
amendments to areas of committee oversight

2448
02:08:27.806 --> 02:08:30.575
reflecting new or changing board responsibilities

2449
02:08:30.575 --> 02:08:32.404
may be made during the board's

2450
02:08:32.404 --> 02:08:34.408
periodic operating rules review

2451
02:08:34.408 --> 02:08:36.647
or by means of resolution addressing

2452
02:08:36.647 --> 02:08:38.457
the change of responsibilities

2453
02:08:38.457 --> 02:08:43.101
should such change occur between operating rule reviews.

2454
02:08:43.101 --> 02:08:46.934
And then re-letter the subsequent subsections.

2455
02:08:49.255 --> 02:08:50.304
Speak to the motion?

2456
02:08:50.304 --> 02:08:51.166
<v ->Yes, Mr. Maynard.</v>

2457
02:08:51.166 --> 02:08:52.513
<v ->So, when I was going through this</v>

2458
02:08:52.513 --> 02:08:55.020
is that when you read this

2459
02:08:55.020 --> 02:08:58.312
and I had this conversation with counsel,

2460
02:08:58.312 --> 02:09:00.845
it appears that the areas of oversight

2461
02:09:00.845 --> 02:09:03.871
are sort of almost a separate document

2462
02:09:03.871 --> 02:09:05.972
tacked onto the back, and I don't know

2463
02:09:05.972 --> 02:09:09.056
if there is, what the history of that was exactly.

2464
02:09:09.056 --> 02:09:12.762
And then it also is referencing a provision

2465
02:09:12.762 --> 02:09:14.245
in the rules that didn't exist anymore

2466
02:09:14.245 --> 02:09:15.099
because it says is that,

2467
02:09:15.099 --> 02:09:17.034
as specified in the operating rules

2468
02:09:17.034 --> 02:09:18.014
of the State Board, well,

2469
02:09:18.014 --> 02:09:19.161
it doesn't really say that anywhere

2470
02:09:19.161 --> 02:09:21.105
as I read through the whole thing.

2471
02:09:21.105 --> 02:09:24.221
And so what I'm proposing to do

2472
02:09:24.221 --> 02:09:25.669
is to move this into the section

2473
02:09:25.669 --> 02:09:27.833
about committees to where we name the committees

2474
02:09:27.833 --> 02:09:31.229
and also deal with the areas of responsibility

2475
02:09:31.229 --> 02:09:35.190
at the same time and that way we don't have

2476
02:09:35.190 --> 02:09:37.714
a separate document, therefore that we can look

2477
02:09:37.714 --> 02:09:40.288
at these as part of our normal rule revisions

2478
02:09:40.288 --> 02:09:42.282
rather than having a separate resolution

2479
02:09:42.282 --> 02:09:46.037
as what appears to be in the rules currently.

2480
02:09:46.037 --> 02:09:49.454
But also then to put a provision in there

2481
02:09:51.461 --> 02:09:55.058
that would enable us that if the legislature

2482
02:09:55.058 --> 02:09:58.715
comes back and changes our responsibilities somehow,

2483
02:09:58.715 --> 02:10:01.210
that we can actually change that by means

2484
02:10:01.210 --> 02:10:05.960
of resolution without opening up the whole rule document.

2485
02:10:07.237 --> 02:10:08.619
<v ->Any other questions?</v>

2486
02:10:08.619 --> 02:10:11.695
Or any objections to those?

2487
02:10:11.695 --> 02:10:12.612
Mr. Cortez?

2488
02:10:13.498 --> 02:10:14.793
<v ->How do we do it now, I mean,</v>

2489
02:10:14.793 --> 02:10:17.317
have we had to do those resolutions

2490
02:10:17.317 --> 02:10:18.924
that you're talking about?

2491
02:10:18.924 --> 02:10:20.757
I don't think we have.

2492
02:10:23.097 --> 02:10:25.916
<v ->Yeah, we haven't changed the standing committees so.</v>

2493
02:10:25.916 --> 02:10:26.749
<v Cortez>Were you talking about</v>

2494
02:10:26.749 --> 02:10:27.582
what the responsibilities--

2495
02:10:27.582 --> 02:10:30.628
<v ->Right, if we wanted to amend...</v>

2496
02:10:30.628 --> 02:10:31.467
Right.

2497
02:10:31.467 --> 02:10:34.788
And we can just amend by resolution and,

2498
02:10:34.788 --> 02:10:37.047
you know, make it simple.

2499
02:10:37.047 --> 02:10:39.684
Any other questions about that?

2500
02:10:39.684 --> 02:10:41.349
The only question I would have is,

2501
02:10:41.349 --> 02:10:43.461
I do kind of like the one pager at the end

2502
02:10:43.461 --> 02:10:44.987
because it does list 'em and the way

2503
02:10:44.987 --> 02:10:47.070
we'll have it now by inserting it in the rules

2504
02:10:47.070 --> 02:10:49.381
it'll probably end up on two pages,

2505
02:10:49.381 --> 02:10:52.437
is there a way that we could, you know,

2506
02:10:52.437 --> 02:10:54.763
still put it like an addendum or something

2507
02:10:54.763 --> 02:10:56.466
that just shows the board duties

2508
02:10:56.466 --> 02:10:59.143
pulled out just by themselves like they are now,

2509
02:10:59.143 --> 02:10:59.976
'cause they are.

2510
02:10:59.976 --> 02:11:03.809
It's just weird it says resolution at the top.

2511
02:11:04.693 --> 02:11:07.338
<v ->I would think we can do that unless Lonnie can think--</v>

2512
02:11:07.338 --> 02:11:08.205
<v Bahorich>Just an exhibit.</v>

2513
02:11:08.205 --> 02:11:09.335
<v ->Of a yeah, almost just a separate link</v>

2514
02:11:09.335 --> 02:11:11.071
on the webpage with the rules.

2515
02:11:11.071 --> 02:11:12.412
<v ->Yeah, just an exhibit, it's just so nice</v>

2516
02:11:12.412 --> 02:11:17.079
to have it all on one page that you can kind of look at.

2517
02:11:18.509 --> 02:11:19.342
Anyway.

2518
02:11:19.342 --> 02:11:22.038
Just adding an exhibit or something.

2519
02:11:22.038 --> 02:11:23.117
So.

2520
02:11:23.117 --> 02:11:25.586
Any objections to those rule changes?

2521
02:11:25.586 --> 02:11:26.816
Hearing none.

2522
02:11:26.816 --> 02:11:27.649
All right.

2523
02:11:28.659 --> 02:11:30.047
Yes?

2524
02:11:30.047 --> 02:11:31.944
<v ->And also then, I have one other amendment</v>

2525
02:11:31.944 --> 02:11:35.353
to the Committee on School Finance,

2526
02:11:35.353 --> 02:11:37.534
Permanent School Fund, and to add to that list

2527
02:11:37.534 --> 02:11:39.346
oversight of the Permanent School

2528
02:11:39.346 --> 02:11:41.929
Fund Bond Guaranty Program.

2529
02:11:41.929 --> 02:11:44.707
<v ->Yeah, that should have been in there.</v>

2530
02:11:44.707 --> 02:11:46.658
That's a good catch.

2531
02:11:46.658 --> 02:11:50.325
Any objection to adding that obvious change?

2532
02:11:51.969 --> 02:11:52.802
Hearing none.

2533
02:11:52.802 --> 02:11:53.635
Okay.

2534
02:11:53.635 --> 02:11:57.359
And I think Mr. Cortez, you had one more.

2535
02:11:57.359 --> 02:12:00.264
<v ->On the committee of school initiatives.</v>

2536
02:12:00.264 --> 02:12:01.597
On number three.

2537
02:12:03.519 --> 02:12:06.448
I believe it's SBOE page 25.

2538
02:12:06.448 --> 02:12:09.781
Review and value, review and evaluation

2539
02:12:09.781 --> 02:12:12.794
of charter school applications, comma,

2540
02:12:12.794 --> 02:12:16.294
I want to insert revisions and amendments.

2541
02:12:17.361 --> 02:12:18.820
And then it'll continue on as written,

2542
02:12:18.820 --> 02:12:22.820
the Commissioner of Education proposes to grant.

2543
02:12:28.960 --> 02:12:29.941
<v ->Is there any objection</v>

2544
02:12:29.941 --> 02:12:32.695
to adding that into the instruction?

2545
02:12:32.695 --> 02:12:35.013
Committee on School Initiatives.

2546
02:12:35.013 --> 02:12:38.180
(indistinct response)

2547
02:12:46.063 --> 02:12:47.203
So work that this Committee

2548
02:12:47.203 --> 02:12:49.480
on School Initiatives would undertake.

2549
02:12:49.480 --> 02:12:52.032
Any objections to adding that language?

2550
02:12:52.032 --> 02:12:53.935
Hearing none.

2551
02:12:53.935 --> 02:12:54.768
All right.

2552
02:12:59.003 --> 02:13:01.586
Any other changes to the rules?

2553
02:13:02.443 --> 02:13:03.276
Okay.

2554
02:13:03.276 --> 02:13:04.109
So.

2555
02:13:05.728 --> 02:13:08.228
Okay, do I have a motion here?

2556
02:13:09.448 --> 02:13:10.838
An actual motion motion?

2557
02:13:10.838 --> 02:13:11.671
Hold on.

2558
02:13:13.474 --> 02:13:15.903
Yeah, why don't you, Mr. Rowley?

2559
02:13:15.903 --> 02:13:18.090
<v ->Madam Chair, I move that we adopt</v>

2560
02:13:18.090 --> 02:13:23.019
the amendments to the operating rules as proposed.

2561
02:13:23.019 --> 02:13:24.993
<v ->All those in favor say aye.</v>

2562
02:13:24.993 --> 02:13:25.826
(multiple responses)

2563
02:13:25.826 --> 02:13:27.863
All those opposed say no.

2564
02:13:27.863 --> 02:13:30.613
Rules as amended have been adopted.

2565
02:13:30.613 --> 02:13:31.791
All right.

2566
02:13:31.791 --> 02:13:34.277
Now members, we're going on, moving on

2567
02:13:34.277 --> 02:13:37.444
to the election of State Board of Education officers,

2568
02:13:37.444 --> 02:13:41.527
and Mr. Maynard you told me you had a nomination.

2569
02:13:44.329 --> 02:13:48.163
<v ->Madam Chair, I would like to nominate</v>

2570
02:13:48.163 --> 02:13:49.502
for vice chair of the board,

2571
02:13:49.502 --> 02:13:51.000
is that the position we're going to do first?

2572
02:13:51.000 --> 02:13:52.151
<v Bahorich>Yes, mm-hmm, we'll do vice chair</v>

2573
02:13:52.151 --> 02:13:52.984
and then do secretary.

2574
02:13:52.984 --> 02:13:55.651
<v ->I would nominate Marty Rowley.</v>

2575
02:13:58.475 --> 02:13:59.984
<v Bahorich>Do we need a second for that?</v>

2576
02:13:59.984 --> 02:14:00.817
<v ->No there's no--</v>

2577
02:14:00.817 --> 02:14:01.878
<v Bahorich>Okay.</v>

2578
02:14:01.878 --> 02:14:02.826
Marty Rowley, okay.

2579
02:14:02.826 --> 02:14:03.659
<v ->Can I speak to my nomination?</v>

2580
02:14:03.659 --> 02:14:04.492
<v Bahorich>Yes, please do.</v>

2581
02:14:04.492 --> 02:14:05.332
<v ->Yeah.</v>

2582
02:14:05.332 --> 02:14:07.974
Madam Chair, I just, we've just had the honor

2583
02:14:07.974 --> 02:14:11.235
of working with Mr. Rowley over these last few years

2584
02:14:11.235 --> 02:14:15.152
and he's smart, he's articulate, he's prepared.

2585
02:14:17.540 --> 02:14:20.219
I appreciate the fact that he is fully engaged

2586
02:14:20.219 --> 02:14:22.886
in the work out in his district.

2587
02:14:25.493 --> 02:14:28.993
He is in tune with always what's going on.

2588
02:14:30.368 --> 02:14:34.010
He's a just in terms of representation of the board,

2589
02:14:34.010 --> 02:14:35.946
I think he does a great job.

2590
02:14:35.946 --> 02:14:39.598
Just as a side note, I'm told by a senator

2591
02:14:39.598 --> 02:14:40.718
from up in the Amarillo area

2592
02:14:40.718 --> 02:14:42.695
that he's very generous on the golf course.

2593
02:14:42.695 --> 02:14:44.308
(laughter)

2594
02:14:44.308 --> 02:14:45.457
So I've heard that he coughs up

2595
02:14:45.457 --> 02:14:47.188
a lot of money on the golf course.

2596
02:14:47.188 --> 02:14:49.394
So if anybody wants to golf with him, so.

2597
02:14:49.394 --> 02:14:50.644
<v ->That's funny.</v>

2598
02:14:52.412 --> 02:14:55.731
The floor is open for other nominations for vice chair.

2599
02:14:55.731 --> 02:14:57.232
Yes.

2600
02:14:57.232 --> 02:15:02.149
<v Allen>I'd like to nominate Ruben Cortez for vice chair.</v>

2601
02:15:06.119 --> 02:15:09.801
<v ->All right, Mr. Allen, would you speak to that nomination?</v>

2602
02:15:09.801 --> 02:15:10.968
<v ->I want to...</v>

2603
02:15:12.185 --> 02:15:13.419
I believe that Mr. Cortez,

2604
02:15:13.419 --> 02:15:16.086
I consider it would be a promotion at this time,

2605
02:15:16.086 --> 02:15:20.800
he's served on the board and I'm trying to look

2606
02:15:20.800 --> 02:15:23.723
at some advancement in the Democrat side of the board,

2607
02:15:23.723 --> 02:15:26.814
and I think that Mr. Cortez has served as well as secretary.

2608
02:15:26.814 --> 02:15:28.767
I think two terms as secretary,

2609
02:15:28.767 --> 02:15:30.832
would be more deserving to operate

2610
02:15:30.832 --> 02:15:32.463
in a vice chair's position

2611
02:15:32.463 --> 02:15:37.463
and show some elevation to the Democratic side of the board.

2612
02:15:39.306 --> 02:15:40.862
<v ->Any other comments of either,</v>

2613
02:15:40.862 --> 02:15:45.279
or any other nominations, could be other nominations.

2614
02:15:46.531 --> 02:15:47.364
<v Rowley>Madam Chair?</v>

2615
02:15:47.364 --> 02:15:48.226
<v ->Yes.</v>

2616
02:15:48.226 --> 02:15:50.363
<v Rowley>Do you need a motion to close nominations?</v>

2617
02:15:50.363 --> 02:15:51.434
<v ->Yes.</v>

2618
02:15:51.434 --> 02:15:54.461
<v Rowley>No, or can the board just close nominations?</v>

2619
02:15:54.461 --> 02:15:55.663
<v ->If we don't have further nominations</v>

2620
02:15:55.663 --> 02:15:56.955
nominations are closed.

2621
02:15:56.955 --> 02:15:58.686
<v ->Okay, if there are no further nominations,</v>

2622
02:15:58.686 --> 02:16:00.379
the nominations are now closed.

2623
02:16:00.379 --> 02:16:04.379
And how do we do this, do we pass papers around,

2624
02:16:05.400 --> 02:16:09.817
do we hold, what's the, how do we do this with the...

2625
02:16:13.017 --> 02:16:13.850
Is it...

2626
02:16:13.850 --> 02:16:15.929
Well, it's never secret with the board, but.

2627
02:16:15.929 --> 02:16:16.762
<v Ratcliffe>Yeah.</v>

2628
02:16:16.762 --> 02:16:17.595
<v ->But I mean--</v>

2629
02:16:17.595 --> 02:16:18.428
<v Ratcliffe>I think it's been a voice vote</v>

2630
02:16:18.428 --> 02:16:20.178
when it has happened.

2631
02:16:21.482 --> 02:16:23.008
<v Bahorich>For and against the first person,</v>

2632
02:16:23.008 --> 02:16:25.251
and for and against the second person?

2633
02:16:25.251 --> 02:16:26.438
That's the way you've done it before?

2634
02:16:26.438 --> 02:16:29.042
Wait a minute, for and against each separate person?

2635
02:16:29.042 --> 02:16:30.490
<v Ratcliffe>Yeah.</v>

2636
02:16:30.490 --> 02:16:33.990
(indistinct conversation)

2637
02:16:34.860 --> 02:16:36.246
<v Bahorich>Why would you do for and against?</v>

2638
02:16:36.246 --> 02:16:39.746
(indistinct conversation)

2639
02:16:41.720 --> 02:16:43.078
<v Maynard>Parliamentary query?</v>

2640
02:16:43.078 --> 02:16:44.711
<v Bahorich>Yes, Mr. Maynard?</v>

2641
02:16:44.711 --> 02:16:46.702
<v ->Yeah, and we have done that in the past</v>

2642
02:16:46.702 --> 02:16:50.452
where we voted for and against and was always

2643
02:16:51.421 --> 02:16:52.731
kind of curious about that,

2644
02:16:52.731 --> 02:16:53.797
because I don't recall

2645
02:16:53.797 --> 02:16:56.756
that really being a feature of Robert's.

2646
02:16:56.756 --> 02:16:57.818
It would seem like to me

2647
02:16:57.818 --> 02:17:00.985
that if we have to do a public vote...

2648
02:17:02.401 --> 02:17:05.048
Well, or that I think that every vote here

2649
02:17:05.048 --> 02:17:08.046
that we take is a public vote.

2650
02:17:08.046 --> 02:17:10.896
But if you did it by, could we not do it

2651
02:17:10.896 --> 02:17:12.498
by roll call and each member

2652
02:17:12.498 --> 02:17:15.186
then would state who they're voting for?

2653
02:17:15.186 --> 02:17:16.399
<v Ratcliffe>That'd be the simplest.</v>

2654
02:17:16.399 --> 02:17:19.899
(indistinct conversation)

2655
02:17:27.513 --> 02:17:31.174
<v ->Madam Chairman, just as a point of education,</v>

2656
02:17:31.174 --> 02:17:34.339
Robert's does say that when you are having elections

2657
02:17:34.339 --> 02:17:37.477
in a mass meeting that you vote first for

2658
02:17:37.477 --> 02:17:40.165
and then against and then in order to advance

2659
02:17:40.165 --> 02:17:42.080
to a candidate that you are in favor of,

2660
02:17:42.080 --> 02:17:44.484
you must first vote to defeat the ones

2661
02:17:44.484 --> 02:17:47.901
who are nominated earlier in the process.

2662
02:17:48.748 --> 02:17:50.315
<v ->But if there are only two...</v>

2663
02:17:50.315 --> 02:17:51.486
<v ->Correct, correct.</v>

2664
02:17:51.486 --> 02:17:53.766
I don't say it's a good process.

2665
02:17:53.766 --> 02:17:54.599
<v ->Okay.</v>

2666
02:17:54.599 --> 02:17:57.188
<v ->I just say that it's Robert's process.</v>

2667
02:17:57.188 --> 02:17:59.377
<v ->I think thought that I guess I would speak</v>

2668
02:17:59.377 --> 02:18:03.069
in favor of Mr. Maynard's way of doing this

2669
02:18:03.069 --> 02:18:06.403
because it would be much quicker I think.

2670
02:18:06.403 --> 02:18:08.678
So can we go ahead and do roll call and then...

2671
02:18:08.678 --> 02:18:11.142
(indistinct response)

2672
02:18:11.142 --> 02:18:12.943
Yeah, we could do that.

2673
02:18:12.943 --> 02:18:15.176
As long as we don't get confused.

2674
02:18:15.176 --> 02:18:17.144
As long as we don't get confused,

2675
02:18:17.144 --> 02:18:19.394
that's the important thing.

2676
02:18:20.268 --> 02:18:21.865
Okay, so I'm going to do it,

2677
02:18:21.865 --> 02:18:24.528
let's do it in alphabetical order.

2678
02:18:24.528 --> 02:18:26.931
Just to keep us straight.

2679
02:18:26.931 --> 02:18:28.356
So if we have competing nominations

2680
02:18:28.356 --> 02:18:30.920
for secretary we'll do the same thing.

2681
02:18:30.920 --> 02:18:31.888
Alphabetical order.

2682
02:18:31.888 --> 02:18:32.852
Okay?

2683
02:18:32.852 --> 02:18:35.602
We're, so Mr. Cortez will be one.

2684
02:18:37.685 --> 02:18:39.248
You will say when your name is called

2685
02:18:39.248 --> 02:18:42.361
you will say one if you're going to vote for Mr. Cortez.

2686
02:18:42.361 --> 02:18:46.948
If you are going to vote for Mr. Rowley, you would say two.

2687
02:18:46.948 --> 02:18:48.049
As your name is called.

2688
02:18:48.049 --> 02:18:50.582
Does that make sense?

2689
02:18:50.582 --> 02:18:51.787
Does everybody got that clear?

2690
02:18:51.787 --> 02:18:54.682
We're doing alphabetical order.

2691
02:18:54.682 --> 02:18:56.019
Cortez and then Rowley.

2692
02:18:56.019 --> 02:18:57.442
Cortez is number one.

2693
02:18:57.442 --> 02:18:59.109
Rowley's number two.

2694
02:19:00.229 --> 02:19:02.283
Ready for the roll call vote?

2695
02:19:02.283 --> 02:19:03.116
Okay.

2696
02:19:04.996 --> 02:19:06.576
<v Ratcliffe>Okay, Mr. Allen?</v>

2697
02:19:06.576 --> 02:19:08.415
<v Allen>One.</v>

2698
02:19:08.415 --> 02:19:09.748
<v Ratcliffe>Ms. Cargill?</v>

2699
02:19:09.748 --> 02:19:11.439
<v Cargill>Two.</v>

2700
02:19:11.439 --> 02:19:12.994
<v Ratcliffe>Mr. Cortez?</v>

2701
02:19:12.994 --> 02:19:14.498
<v Cortez>One.</v>

2702
02:19:14.498 --> 02:19:15.520
<v Ratcliffe>Ms. Davis?</v>

2703
02:19:15.520 --> 02:19:16.353
<v Davis>Two.</v>

2704
02:19:16.353 --> 02:19:17.219
<v Ratcliffe>Dr. Ellis?</v>

2705
02:19:17.219 --> 02:19:19.189
<v Ellis>Two.</v>

2706
02:19:19.189 --> 02:19:20.333
<v Ratcliffe>Ms. Hardy?</v>

2707
02:19:20.333 --> 02:19:23.537
(inaudible response)

2708
02:19:23.537 --> 02:19:24.970
Ms. Little?

2709
02:19:24.970 --> 02:19:26.220
<v Little>Two.</v>

2710
02:19:27.066 --> 02:19:28.000
<v Ratcliffe>Mr. Maynard?</v>

2711
02:19:28.000 --> 02:19:29.646
<v Maynard>Two.</v>

2712
02:19:29.646 --> 02:19:30.874
<v Ratcliffe>Ms. Melton-Malone?</v>

2713
02:19:30.874 --> 02:19:32.454
<v Melton-Malone>Two.</v>

2714
02:19:32.454 --> 02:19:33.287
<v Ratcliffe>Mr. Mercer?</v>

2715
02:19:33.287 --> 02:19:34.853
<v Mercer>Two.</v>

2716
02:19:34.853 --> 02:19:35.788
<v ->Ms. Perez?</v>

2717
02:19:35.788 --> 02:19:37.585
<v Perez>One.</v>

2718
02:19:37.585 --> 02:19:38.914
<v ->Ms. Perez-Diaz?</v>

2719
02:19:38.914 --> 02:19:40.372
<v Perez-Diaz>One.</v>

2720
02:19:40.372 --> 02:19:41.216
<v ->Dr. Robinson?</v>

2721
02:19:41.216 --> 02:19:43.082
<v Robinson>Two.</v>

2722
02:19:43.082 --> 02:19:44.149
<v ->And Mr. Rowley?</v>

2723
02:19:44.149 --> 02:19:45.399
<v Rowley>Two.</v>

2724
02:19:46.582 --> 02:19:48.190
<v ->All right.</v>

2725
02:19:48.190 --> 02:19:50.630
Vote I had was seven to four,

2726
02:19:50.630 --> 02:19:53.380
is that what, did I get it right?

2727
02:19:55.484 --> 02:19:57.090
<v Ratcliffe>I've got eight to four.</v>

2728
02:19:57.090 --> 02:19:57.923
<v ->Eight to four?</v>

2729
02:19:57.923 --> 02:19:58.756
<v Ratcliffe>Yes.</v>

2730
02:19:58.756 --> 02:19:59.589
<v ->Eight to four.</v>

2731
02:19:59.589 --> 02:20:00.422
Okay.

2732
02:20:00.422 --> 02:20:02.779
Mr. Rowley, congratulations on your achievement

2733
02:20:02.779 --> 02:20:06.512
of being vice chair again, so once again, congratulations.

2734
02:20:06.512 --> 02:20:07.750
All right, nominations are now open

2735
02:20:07.750 --> 02:20:11.272
for the secretary of the board, yes.

2736
02:20:11.272 --> 02:20:13.605
Mr. Maynard, or Ms. Cargill.

2737
02:20:17.422 --> 02:20:18.255
Okay.

2738
02:20:20.129 --> 02:20:20.962
<v ->Madam Chair, I'd nominate</v>

2739
02:20:20.962 --> 02:20:23.712
for secretary Ms. Georgina Perez.

2740
02:20:27.990 --> 02:20:28.823
<v Bahorich>Ms. Perez, do you want</v>

2741
02:20:28.823 --> 02:20:31.951
to speak to Ms. Perez and then we'll take other nominations.

2742
02:20:31.951 --> 02:20:36.118
<v ->I was asked to do that but I'm happy to do that.</v>

2743
02:20:37.911 --> 02:20:39.225
During the time that Ms. Perez

2744
02:20:39.225 --> 02:20:42.366
has been on the board she has certainly shown herself

2745
02:20:42.366 --> 02:20:46.616
to be passionate, to be articulate, to be diligent.

2746
02:20:47.744 --> 02:20:52.338
The degree of follow-through is always extraordinary.

2747
02:20:52.338 --> 02:20:54.475
And I'm proud to serve with her

2748
02:20:54.475 --> 02:20:56.981
and I think that she's doing an extraordinary job

2749
02:20:56.981 --> 02:20:59.369
representing her constituents

2750
02:20:59.369 --> 02:21:02.702
and representing the work of this board.

2751
02:21:03.578 --> 02:21:04.494
<v ->All right.</v>

2752
02:21:04.494 --> 02:21:07.659
Let's go ahead and have any other nominations,

2753
02:21:07.659 --> 02:21:11.028
let's go ahead and do that, yes.

2754
02:21:11.028 --> 02:21:13.379
Yeah, Mr. Cortez, why don't you go ahead?

2755
02:21:13.379 --> 02:21:17.943
<v ->Well, I agree with everything that you just said, Tom.</v>

2756
02:21:17.943 --> 02:21:21.026
I would like to nominate Marisa Perez

2757
02:21:23.243 --> 02:21:24.546
for a lot of the same reasons

2758
02:21:24.546 --> 02:21:26.698
you just mentioned about my colleague Georgina

2759
02:21:26.698 --> 02:21:28.869
which I agree about.

2760
02:21:28.869 --> 02:21:29.941
But in addition to that,

2761
02:21:29.941 --> 02:21:32.271
she does have more seniority,

2762
02:21:32.271 --> 02:21:34.439
has been here several years,

2763
02:21:34.439 --> 02:21:37.776
came in the same class that we came in.

2764
02:21:37.776 --> 02:21:39.526
I think that her work

2765
02:21:41.697 --> 02:21:43.847
over these last several years has demonstrated.

2766
02:21:43.847 --> 02:21:45.973
Her leadership speaks for itself.

2767
02:21:45.973 --> 02:21:48.046
And I think we'd be lucky

2768
02:21:48.046 --> 02:21:49.260
to have either one of these ladies

2769
02:21:49.260 --> 02:21:52.510
represent us as secretary on the board.

2770
02:21:54.904 --> 02:21:57.404
And nothing against Ms. Perez,

2771
02:21:58.507 --> 02:22:02.061
again I think we'd be in good hands either way.

2772
02:22:02.061 --> 02:22:05.372
I'm surrounded by amazing women here as you can see.

2773
02:22:05.372 --> 02:22:06.687
<v Bahorich>Yes. (laughs)</v>

2774
02:22:06.687 --> 02:22:09.770
<v ->When I get concern I go to my left,</v>

2775
02:22:10.993 --> 02:22:15.627
I go to my right, and I always get good counsel

2776
02:22:15.627 --> 02:22:17.737
whichever way I look, so.

2777
02:22:17.737 --> 02:22:20.045
But just on the basis of seniority

2778
02:22:20.045 --> 02:22:22.962
I would nominate Marisa Perez-Diaz.

2779
02:22:24.626 --> 02:22:25.995
<v ->So we've got two nominations</v>

2780
02:22:25.995 --> 02:22:30.412
and any other nominations for secretary of the board?

2781
02:22:31.310 --> 02:22:33.364
Hearing none, there's no objection,

2782
02:22:33.364 --> 02:22:35.146
nominations are now closed.

2783
02:22:35.146 --> 02:22:37.281
And so we're going to do the same thing again.

2784
02:22:37.281 --> 02:22:39.614
On, although I didn't leave,

2785
02:22:40.912 --> 02:22:42.344
does anybody else want to speak

2786
02:22:42.344 --> 02:22:44.844
for either one of the members?

2787
02:22:46.990 --> 02:22:49.013
Oh, I already did that.

2788
02:22:49.013 --> 02:22:50.226
Okay, all right.

2789
02:22:50.226 --> 02:22:51.415
Let's go ahead and vote.

2790
02:22:51.415 --> 02:22:55.149
And Marisa Perez, she's number one.

2791
02:22:55.149 --> 02:22:58.528
And Perez, this gets confusing.

2792
02:22:58.528 --> 02:23:00.490
Perez is number two, all right.

2793
02:23:00.490 --> 02:23:04.013
So Marisa Perez will be number one, right?

2794
02:23:04.013 --> 02:23:05.586
Is everybody clear?

2795
02:23:05.586 --> 02:23:07.836
And Gina Perez will be two.

2796
02:23:11.550 --> 02:23:13.728
I want to make sure everybody knows.

2797
02:23:13.728 --> 02:23:15.548
(indistinct responses)

2798
02:23:15.548 --> 02:23:16.381
<v Cortez>Diaz--</v>

2799
02:23:16.381 --> 02:23:17.256
<v ->All right, let's do this.</v>

2800
02:23:17.256 --> 02:23:18.089
Okay.

2801
02:23:18.089 --> 02:23:18.922
<v Cortez>Perez is--</v>

2802
02:23:18.922 --> 02:23:21.954
<v ->Marisa is one, Gina is two.</v>

2803
02:23:21.954 --> 02:23:24.285
Marisa is one, Gina is two.

2804
02:23:24.285 --> 02:23:26.281
Is that clear?

2805
02:23:26.281 --> 02:23:27.247
Okay.

2806
02:23:27.247 --> 02:23:28.080
All right.

2807
02:23:28.080 --> 02:23:30.148
Let's go ahead and do the roll call.

2808
02:23:30.148 --> 02:23:31.401
<v Ratcliffe>Mr. Allen?</v>

2809
02:23:31.401 --> 02:23:33.360
<v Allen>One.</v>

2810
02:23:33.360 --> 02:23:34.315
<v ->Ms. Cargill?</v>

2811
02:23:34.315 --> 02:23:35.630
<v Cargill>Two.</v>

2812
02:23:35.630 --> 02:23:36.713
<v ->Mr. Cortez?</v>

2813
02:23:38.962 --> 02:23:40.126
<v Cortez>One.</v>

2814
02:23:40.126 --> 02:23:42.625
<v ->One. (laughs)</v>

2815
02:23:42.625 --> 02:23:44.016
Ms. Davis?

2816
02:23:44.016 --> 02:23:45.204
Dr. Ellis?

2817
02:23:45.204 --> 02:23:46.697
<v Ellis>Two.</v>

2818
02:23:46.697 --> 02:23:47.697
<v ->Ms. Hardy?</v>

2819
02:23:48.946 --> 02:23:50.275
Ms. Little?

2820
02:23:50.275 --> 02:23:51.639
<v Little>Two.</v>

2821
02:23:51.639 --> 02:23:52.723
<v ->Mr. Maynard?</v>

2822
02:23:52.723 --> 02:23:53.999
<v Maynard>Two.</v>

2823
02:23:53.999 --> 02:23:55.488
<v ->Ms. Melton-Malone?</v>

2824
02:23:55.488 --> 02:23:56.772
<v Melton-Malone>Two.</v>

2825
02:23:56.772 --> 02:23:57.726
<v ->Mr. Mercer?</v>

2826
02:23:57.726 --> 02:23:58.863
<v Mercer>One.</v>

2827
02:23:58.863 --> 02:24:00.143
<v ->Ms. Perez?</v>

2828
02:24:00.143 --> 02:24:01.797
<v Perez>One- two!</v>

2829
02:24:01.797 --> 02:24:04.201
(laughter)

2830
02:24:04.201 --> 02:24:05.386
Two please!

2831
02:24:05.386 --> 02:24:06.219
<v ->Okay.</v>

2832
02:24:06.219 --> 02:24:07.266
Ms. Perez-Diaz?

2833
02:24:07.266 --> 02:24:08.646
<v Perez-Diaz>One.</v>

2834
02:24:08.646 --> 02:24:10.101
<v ->Dr. Robinson?</v>

2835
02:24:10.101 --> 02:24:11.332
<v Robinson>Two.</v>

2836
02:24:11.332 --> 02:24:12.400
<v ->Mr. Rowley?</v>

2837
02:24:12.400 --> 02:24:13.696
<v Rowley>Two.</v>

2838
02:24:13.696 --> 02:24:14.946
<v ->Ms. Bagorich?</v>

2839
02:24:16.595 --> 02:24:17.428
<v ->I didn't vote last time,</v>

2840
02:24:17.428 --> 02:24:18.748
I'm not voting this time either. (laughs)

2841
02:24:18.748 --> 02:24:19.581
Okay.

2842
02:24:21.639 --> 02:24:23.889
Okay, I show eight to four?

2843
02:24:27.127 --> 02:24:28.670
Eight to four?

2844
02:24:28.670 --> 02:24:32.507
Okay, eight to four, congratulations, Ms. Perez, Gina Perez.

2845
02:24:32.507 --> 02:24:35.600
You are our next, our new board secretary.

2846
02:24:35.600 --> 02:24:36.433
Okay.

2847
02:24:37.669 --> 02:24:39.077
We've got a few minutes,

2848
02:24:39.077 --> 02:24:40.635
so it's possible that we might be able

2849
02:24:40.635 --> 02:24:41.846
to put the committees together,

2850
02:24:41.846 --> 02:24:44.429
do we have all of the handouts.

2851
02:24:45.273 --> 02:24:48.440
Actually, I only have Sue, Pam Little,

2852
02:24:50.333 --> 02:24:54.666
Keven Ellis, Pat Hardy, and Aicha Davis on handouts.

2853
02:24:57.552 --> 02:25:00.395
Who's gonna collect, so...

2854
02:25:00.395 --> 02:25:04.312
(indistinct conversation)

2855
02:25:04.312 --> 02:25:05.145
Yep.

2856
02:25:05.145 --> 02:25:08.645
(indistinct conversation)

2857
02:35:40.230 --> 02:35:41.431
Okay members, I think we're going

2858
02:35:41.431 --> 02:35:44.348
to make our deadline at 2:30, here.

2859
02:35:52.054 --> 02:35:52.887
No.

2860
02:35:57.052 --> 02:35:57.933
No.

2861
02:35:57.933 --> 02:35:58.766
Okay.

2862
02:35:58.766 --> 02:36:00.040
Are we ready?

2863
02:36:00.040 --> 02:36:01.703
I've asked Mr. Rowley to go ahead

2864
02:36:01.703 --> 02:36:04.786
and make the committee announcements.

2865
02:36:06.053 --> 02:36:08.326
Really appreciate a lot of the members put,

2866
02:36:08.326 --> 02:36:09.611
you know, one or two, I mean,

2867
02:36:09.611 --> 02:36:11.463
they really were not that picky

2868
02:36:11.463 --> 02:36:14.961
about the committees that they were on, which is great.

2869
02:36:14.961 --> 02:36:16.401
Greatly appreciated.

2870
02:36:16.401 --> 02:36:17.371
All right, Mr. Rowley.

2871
02:36:17.371 --> 02:36:19.890
<v ->Yeah, and so the methodology that we employed was,</v>

2872
02:36:19.890 --> 02:36:22.339
we went on the basis of seniority

2873
02:36:22.339 --> 02:36:26.092
and gave members their first choice,

2874
02:36:26.092 --> 02:36:27.945
essentially based on seniority,

2875
02:36:27.945 --> 02:36:31.771
and I think it worked all the way through.

2876
02:36:31.771 --> 02:36:35.476
So on the PSF Committee it is Ms. Hardy,

2877
02:36:35.476 --> 02:36:40.059
Mr. Mercer, Mr. Allen, Chair Bahorich, and Mr. Maynard.

2878
02:36:41.859 --> 02:36:42.692
Okay.

2879
02:36:43.816 --> 02:36:47.237
Committee on Instruction is Ms. Melton-Malone,

2880
02:36:47.237 --> 02:36:51.320
Ms. Perez, Ms. Little, Ms. Davis, and Mr. Rowley.

2881
02:36:53.627 --> 02:36:58.377
And then Committee on School Initiatives is Ms. Cargill,

2882
02:36:58.377 --> 02:37:03.044
Dr. Ellis, Ms. Perez-Diaz, Dr. Robinson, and Mr. Cortez.

2883
02:37:08.324 --> 02:37:09.312
There you are.

2884
02:37:09.312 --> 02:37:12.567
So the committees will elect their chairs.

2885
02:37:12.567 --> 02:37:14.190
<v Bahorich>On Thursday, right?</v>

2886
02:37:14.190 --> 02:37:15.906
<v ->On Thursday.</v>

2887
02:37:15.906 --> 02:37:17.844
And then actually the board rules say

2888
02:37:17.844 --> 02:37:20.546
that the chairs appoint the vice chair.

2889
02:37:20.546 --> 02:37:22.609
But you can choose to elect that.

2890
02:37:22.609 --> 02:37:24.036
<v ->The committee chair appoints a vice chair.</v>

2891
02:37:24.036 --> 02:37:27.452
And you can, you may or may not wish to do so.

2892
02:37:27.452 --> 02:37:30.125
As, if you are the chair of that committee.

2893
02:37:30.125 --> 02:37:34.175
<v ->One final point, typically officers of the board</v>

2894
02:37:34.175 --> 02:37:36.694
are not eligible or did not typically serve

2895
02:37:36.694 --> 02:37:39.861
as chair or vice chairs of committees.

2896
02:37:40.954 --> 02:37:44.097
That's just kind of the standing protocol.

2897
02:37:44.097 --> 02:37:45.861
<v Female Voice>But is it written rule?</v>

2898
02:37:45.861 --> 02:37:46.806
It is written?

2899
02:37:46.806 --> 02:37:47.639
<v Bahorich>Yeah, it's written.</v>

2900
02:37:47.639 --> 02:37:48.472
Right.

2901
02:37:50.007 --> 02:37:52.084
Any other discussion, I think we did a great job

2902
02:37:52.084 --> 02:37:53.658
of trying to get through all of that,

2903
02:37:53.658 --> 02:37:54.828
now we'll be able to just work

2904
02:37:54.828 --> 02:37:57.847
on the people's business starting first thing on Tuesday.

2905
02:37:57.847 --> 02:37:59.313
Members, thank you so much,

2906
02:37:59.313 --> 02:38:00.845
and we will see you Tuesday morning

2907
02:38:00.845 --> 02:38:03.573
at the regular nine o'clock.

2908
02:38:03.573 --> 02:38:05.160
Nine o'clock.

2909
02:38:05.160 --> 02:38:05.993
Meeting's adjourned.

2910
02:38:05.993 --> 02:38:08.660
(gavel strikes)