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<v Announcer>We'll
begin momentarily.</v>

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Thank you for your patience.

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<v ->Thank you. (laughs)</v>

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Have reached success and are and safe,

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and that our educators
are well-prepared.

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So thank you for your time today.

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We're gonna have a moment of silence.

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Thank you.

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And if we can all stand as we
say the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Welcome today as we embark on our work.

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Thank you so much for being here.

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I'm so excited that
we're back in person,

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and then we get to meet
several new board members,

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as well as some faces that
have been here for a while.

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I look forward to some
amazing work today,

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and yesterday was a wonderful
and productive work session,

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where we were able to
have some important dialogue

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and look at some of our rules
and disciplinary proceedings.

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As you may know, this is my last meeting

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and I'm sad to leave the board.

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I've been honored and
humbled to be able to serve.

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And I am thankful that
I'm going to be able to join

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Texas Education Agency and
expand mental health supports

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for students and continue
with the passion of ensuring

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that students, their safety,
welfare and success.

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So although I'm sad to leave the board,

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I am thrilled to be able to expand

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and help students across the state.

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So with that being said,

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we will have a election today.

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And as outlined on our slide,

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oh actually, sorry, we
don't have that one yet.

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(laughs)

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So we'll have a special election.

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Before I go any further, actually,

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I wanna remind everyone
that when you need to speak,

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as I forgot to do earlier,

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make sure that you hit your mic button.

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That's an important step in making sure

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that your voice is heard.

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So as outlined on this slide,
Dr. Cavazos and Mr. Rodriguez

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are no longer on the board.

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And this is my last meeting.

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Therefore it's appropriate
for us to hold elections today.

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We'll be conducting the
election where officers

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by a voice vote.

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If there's only one
nominee for an office,

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that person will be declared
elected by acclamation.

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If there's more than one
nominee for a position,

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paper ballots are used with the person

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who receives a plurality of votes,

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more votes than any other nominee,

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whether or not that number
constitutes a majority

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of the cast votes.

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If the vote results in
a tie for the most votes

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between two or more candidates,

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the chairperson reopen,

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I'll reopen the floor for
additional nominations, if any,

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and a second vote is taken.

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If there are still a tie
for plurality of votes,

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the election is then
postpone to the next meeting.

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With that in mind,

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due to his demonstrated
leadership on SBEC

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and as our EPP accommodation chair,

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as well as the educational leadership

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that he's demonstrated across our state.

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I'd like to nominate Dr. John Kelly.

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Are there any further nominations?

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There being no other nominations,

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John Kelly is elected
chairperson by acclamation.

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<v ->Oh, wow.</v>

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Thank you all very much.

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(participants clapping)

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Thank you.

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(participants clapping)

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Very honored.

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Thank you.

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<v ->Shall I proceed?</v>

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All right.

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The next position that is
up is for the SBEC vice chair.

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And I'd like to make a nomination here.

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Again, served with her on
the commendations committee

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and I'm nominating Jean Streepey

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if she would be willing
to serve as vice chairman.

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<v ->Are there any
further nominations?</v>

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Okay.

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There being no other nominations,

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Jean Streepey is elected vice
chairperson by acclamation.

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(participants clapping)

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I would also like to take
this time to nominate

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the secretary for the board.

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And I would like to
nominate Tommy Coleman.

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He's proven his commitment to the board,

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as we all heard his dialogue yesterday,

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he has a passion for the work

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and he is also now the most
senior board member, (laughs)

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and has been instrumental
and our educator conduct

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and disciplinary cases.

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I always am so appreciative
of his voice and his lens

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in that part of our agenda.

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Are there any other nominations

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(indistinct)

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(laughs)

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There being no other nominations,

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Tommy Coleman is the secretary.

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(participants clapping)

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<v ->Congratulations to
all of the new officers</v>

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and I'd like us to have
a five minute break

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as we reorganize.

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And I stepped down
and hand over the gavel

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to Dr. Kelly.

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<v Participant>Ms.
Brooks-Sykes (indistinct).</v>

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<v ->All right, we're back in order.</v>

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It's the first time I've
ever done that, Rohanna.

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So.

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(gavel banging)

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Oh, just (gavel banging).

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Scared myself.

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(laughs)

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All right, and the time
is by my watch 8:43.

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And we're back in session.

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First of all, I'd like to thank
everybody for the honor

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of serving as a chair.

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I know I have big shoes
to fill for those of you

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who've been with us previous meetings,

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Dr. Cavazos was the
chair immediately before.

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He managed to harass
every single one of us

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before the beginning of the meeting.

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I was telling somebody that for me,

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my staff at home doesn't give
me anything responsible to do

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before nine o'clock in the morning.

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So I'm gonna have to change my ways.

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The Commissioner said
something that I wrote down

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that I think helps us along
with some of the things

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that Emily said yesterday.

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And that is the
Commissioner said, you know,

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"Part of our work is
defining what it means

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"to be a teacher."

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Now, that is a profound
responsibility in Texas,

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which I consider the
greatest state in the union.

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And so we wanna be the very, very best.

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Emily showed us yesterday.

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She had me read the mission statement

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and it just showed the wide
capacity of this organization

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to do good in everything
that we're charged with.

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And if you remember, one of her slides

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was pretty profound for me,

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where she showed the
number of certificates

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and so on over the
last, what was it?

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Five or six years.

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And it was 776,000, I think.

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We have effected 776,000 lives over

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that short period of time.

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So would that profound
sense of the importance

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of our position,

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I just hope and pray
with the Lord's help

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that we'll do a good job
advancing that cause.

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And then one final thing,

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and several of us
mentioned it yesterday is,

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one of the great joys or maybe
the greatest joy or comfort

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in serving on this is the
outstanding TEA staff.

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I have noticed that
from the very beginning.

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And if you do a good job on the board,

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then you get a position
with TEA afterwards.

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(laughs)

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Remember that, Andrew.

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(laughs)

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All right.

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Let's see.

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Now, we are onto the associate
Commissioners comments.

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Are you ready to do that
Kelvey where or Emily?

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Okay.

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<v ->That's me.</v>

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<v ->All right, yes.</v>

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<v ->Thank you, sir.</v>

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I will be super brief,

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but I did just as my first
time in this seat and this role,

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I wanted to say thank
you to a few people.

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First of all, thank you
for coming back today too.

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I really did enjoy the
work session yesterday

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and getting to know each
of you a little bit better

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first in our introductions,

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and then again, through the work session

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and your contributions to that.

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But I also wanted to
thank just some folks

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who helped me get into the seat.

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The first being, I know all
of you miss Ryan Franklin.

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I know I was not the only
person who kind of jumped

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in my seat when he walked in,

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he came in towards
the end of the meeting

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and we were all excited to see him,

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but I wanted to just
acknowledge that his role

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in helping me get
here and just thank him.

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I know I have really big shoes to fill

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and Marilyn I was
visiting with her yesterday

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after the meeting and she
referred to him as a unicorn.

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And I wanna acknowledge
that he really was and is,

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a unicorn and just
thank him for everything

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that he did as he served TEA

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and everything he continues
to do for the students

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and teachers across the state.

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And so I really appreciate
Ryan's contribution

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and commitment to students
and education across Texas.

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I said, unicorn, not rooster.

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(laughs)

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Additionally, I wanna
thank Marilyn Cook,

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who served as the interim
associate Commissioner

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during Ryan's transition.

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She really took care of the EPCE team,

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the Educator Preparation
Certification and Enforcement team

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during Ryan's absence,

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which was a difficult
and challenging time

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considering it was during session,

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and lots of things were going on.

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Things like session and a pandemic.

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And there were lots of
challenging things to be done

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to take care of teachers
and students in Marilyn

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took care of the team in a
way that was really very caring

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and very kind and very
humane and put people first.

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And I really, truly appreciate
the way she led by example

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and she continues to lead
and continues to take care

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of our team and help me do so in a way

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that I genuinely appreciate.

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So thank you, Ms. Cook.

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Additionally, I wanna... Yes.

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(participants clapping)

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I also wanna thank deputy
Commissioner Kelvey Oeser

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to my left,

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and the Commissioner for
giving me the opportunity

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to transition from board
member to this role.

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It is just a real honor to be here.

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I'm so grateful for the opportunity.

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You know, when I was a
first day teacher teaching

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"Call of the Wild" to my students,

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and I realized that I did
not know what I was doing.

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I was hired three days
before school started.

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My interview, consisted
of my principal walking me

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to my room, opening the door and saying,

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"So what concerns might you have?"

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And that was my interview.

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And I said, "I'm not really sure I know

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"what to be concerned about."

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He said, "Sounds good,
see you at Christmas."

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I do not think I ever thought
I would be in a position

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to actually influence
how we prepare teachers

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20 years later.

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So thank you for the
opportunity to actually

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make a difference.

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I appreciate it and I
hope I do a good job.

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So thank you guys.

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And lastly, thank you so much
to the board for your support

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and for the opportunity to
make sure we provide you

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with really good information.

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Thank you for any pushes and challenges.

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If we don't provide you
with good information,

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please ask more questions, dig deep,

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challenge us so that we
get you the information

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that you need to make good decisions.

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We are really committed to doing that,

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and to looking at really hard situations

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and really hard questions
and really hard decisions

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from all angles.

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I really appreciated what
Mr. Mason said yesterday

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about having to look at things
from different points of view

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and with different lenses on,

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different divergent
viewpoints to make sure

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we're answering questions,

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to make sure every seat
at the table is considered,

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and every child in every
context is considered.

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We wanna make sure that the
solutions we propose will work

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for all students in all environments.

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So thank you so much.

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We have lots of great
stuff to talk about today

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in an upcoming meetings.

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I'm excited to dig deep
for you and on your behalf

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and with you.

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So thank you so much.

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<v ->All right.</v>

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Thank you very much, Emily.

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All right, I think next step,

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we're going to recognize
some of our new board members

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and also take a look back
at those who are finishing

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their terms of service.

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And I think Christie,
you've got a slide deck for us

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to go through here.

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<v ->Yes, sir.</v>

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I'll go through one at
a time as you finish up

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with one (indistinct).

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<v ->Okay, all right.</v>

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First step is...

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Hey, you already switched it on me.

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(laughs)

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(indistinct)

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(laughs)

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You know, they do that with me.

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<v Participant>I'll put it aside.</v>

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<v ->You know they do that with me?</v>

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<v Participant>You're still
harassing me like Dr. Cavazos.</v>

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(laughs)

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<v ->In my district, the
communications director does that.</v>

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If she feels like I'm
taking too long in a speech,

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she just forwards the PowerPoint.

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(laughs)

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<v Participant>Note
to self, Christie.</v>

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(laughs)

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<v Participant>I think
we may have some</v>

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of that going on later.

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(laughs)

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I appreciate the permission to do that.

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<v ->Well, as I was saying,
Veronica Galvan,</v>

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Dr. Galvan, she has joined
us and been in delight.

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Yesterday was her very first meeting,

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and we're certainly
welcoming her to be here.

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And Veronica, if you
just take a few minutes

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or maybe I guess I should say one minute

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to tell us a little bit about
yourself and your background.

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<v ->Thank you.</v>

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Good morning, everyone.

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Has you, the board
members heard yesterday,

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my name is Veronica Galvan.

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I was a bilingual and ESL
teacher in the Rio Grande Valley

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for many years.

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Went to the university level

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and now am in alternative certification.

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That perspective of being a teacher

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and then going through
the different journeys in life

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have been very interesting.

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Excellence in teaching
did receive commendations

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from the board.

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Thank you.

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That took a great deal of
effort from directors, faculty,

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staff and even teacher
candidate making great sacrifices.

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My goal is to help how can
we have alternative certification

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be quality?

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And that is difficult
when it is very fast paced.

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We basically get students
that have been planted

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and have a bod because they
do have a bachelor's degree.

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Our job is to get them to blossom

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and it's petal by petal,

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'cause it's not just coursework.

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It's preparing for
exams and doing it well

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on the first attempt.

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If not at least the second.

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But more so I always tell them,

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you can love children.

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You can come to me
and tell me, I wanna teach.

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And that is commendable.

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I cannot teach you that,

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but now the responsibility becomes,

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how can I prepare you the best,

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whether it's legal,
whether it's curriculum,

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whether it's code of ethics,

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whether it's how to
teach reading and Math,

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but more importantly,

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how can I help and guide you
and mentor you for students

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to love reading and love
Math and love Science?

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Because we have a great impact,

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not just for our communities,

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not just for our great state of Texas,

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but for our whole country.

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<v ->Very good.</v>

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Thank you, Dr. Galvan.

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You are most welcome on this committee.

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<v ->Thank you.</v>

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<v ->All right.</v>

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Next, we have rec score from
here in Austin businessman

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with a very impressive background.

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By the way, if you all ever
get on the SBEC website,

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you can read a small bio on each person,

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a pretty impressive
group of folks here around.

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Rex, would you tell us a
little bit about yourself and--

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<v ->You can say
that's the nicest thing</v>

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that's been said about me in print

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some time to call me a citizen.

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(laughs)

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I am a local Austin Guy.

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My wife and I've been
here for since 1985.

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We moved down here from
Kansas where we both went to school.

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My day job in my profession.

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I have a commercial landscape company,

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Clean Scapes offices
in three Texas cities

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and a commercial
janitorial firm, PGS Houses

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in three Texas cities as well.

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Clean Scapes we've
employ about 3000 people.

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And as I mentioned yesterday,

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the best estimates we
have about 5,000 kids

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and 50 plus school
districts around Texas 90%

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plus in traditional ISDs.

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So that's part of my
motivation and interest

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in this position as well.

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For some time I've been
involved in education

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and education policy generally,

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and am involved with
some charter schools,

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also involved locally with the AISD

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on some outside community
and business leadership groups

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and trying to support AISD.

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Appreciate the opportunity to serve.

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<v ->All right, outstanding.</v>

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Thank you, sir.

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We also have with us from the Comal ISD,

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the Superintendent, Andrew Kim.

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Andrew, if you'd say a few words.

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<v ->Well thank you very
much again, once again,</v>

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and I'm back for the day two.

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So we'll see about it was great.

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It was really great to
meet everybody yesterday

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and to hear everybody's
voices and thoughts.

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So just be really quick.

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I'm really been fortunate
to be the Superintendent

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of the Comal ISD for next
month will be my 10th year

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in the school districts I've survived

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all of that time period.

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But I actually began
my career in Dallas ISD

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as an alternative certified teacher.

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So I spent 11 years there as
a teacher and administrator.

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So was very lucky enough
to come down to Texas

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or central Texas, I should say.

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And then I've been in a small
school district Granger ISD,

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Manor ISD, Austin and Round Rock ISD.

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So I've been very fortunate
to have all those experiences.

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So hopefully I can be a
resource to once again,

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to everybody here.

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So thanks very much.

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<v ->All right, on a personal note,</v>

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you know, I've read about Andrew Kim.

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He's one of the more prominent
superintendents in Texas

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for awhile.

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And so I was when Christie
told me that he's joining SBEC,

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I was really delighted.

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So we met for the first time yesterday.

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And I just so glad to
have you with us, Andrew.

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And his fellow superintedent
we're gonna work out

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hand signals so that we know.

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(laughs)

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How am I doing?

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All right, next step.

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Okay.

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Oh, we're to recognizing
our past board members,

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chief of which Art Cavazos
who is our chairman.

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I have a feeling he's monitoring
us at this very moment.

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So I gotta be careful what I'm saying,

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but he was fantastic as
our chair and as a member.

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And we really do honestly miss him.

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Served July of 2016
till this June of 2021.

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I'm very, very thankful for him.

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Also Sandy Mullins.

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I didn't know Sandy as well.

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We didn't overlap that much,

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but she was a great voice
from the Houston area

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and as a parent and community member.

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And she served also for five
straight years as Rohanna.

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And so I don't want us to lose sight

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that though this is
Rohanna's last meeting,

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she's our most veteran,
as somebody said.

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And she's done a great job for us.

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I don't know about you, Tommy.

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But the thing that sticks
out about Rohanna to me

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is that when we get
into these difficult trial

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personnel type situations,

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she was sort of the heart
of thinking of the person

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and the people involved and so on.

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And so I'm very thankful
for your service Rohanna.

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All right.

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Okay.

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Public comment.

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All right, I think I'm supposed
to lean towards Cameron

00:21:50.930 --> 00:21:53.370
and say, Cameron, do we
have any public comments?

00:21:53.370 --> 00:21:54.203
We don't.

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Okay.

00:21:55.544 --> 00:21:56.377
(laughs)

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Oh, now I've got to
go onto the next thing.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Next up is the approval
of the April 30th, 2021

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board meeting minutes.

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You all received those in the past.

00:22:09.980 --> 00:22:13.000
There have been some
corrections, some minor corrections.

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Do we need to go through those Christie

00:22:14.670 --> 00:22:17.860
or in terms of the corrections or?

00:22:17.860 --> 00:22:19.172
<v ->No, sir.</v>

00:22:19.172 --> 00:22:20.510
They were just technical corrections

00:22:20.510 --> 00:22:22.910
that have already been reflected.

00:22:22.910 --> 00:22:25.660
They are also in your
substitute materials,

00:22:25.660 --> 00:22:27.320
which I'll go over your
folders in just a second,

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but in the orange folder as
just minor technical upkeep.

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<v ->All right.</v>

00:22:32.753 --> 00:22:33.586
Thank you, Christie.

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So I'll entertain a motion
if anyone is so ready

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to approve the minutes
for the April 30th, 2021.

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Rohanna we'll make that initial motion.

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Do I hear or see a second?

00:22:46.770 --> 00:22:48.001
Yes.

00:22:48.001 --> 00:22:51.170
(indistinct)

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<v Participant>Do you want
me to make the motion?</v>

00:22:55.010 --> 00:22:57.040
<v ->Yeah, I'm famous
for having the mic on,</v>

00:22:57.040 --> 00:22:58.400
when I don't need to have it on,

00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:00.250
and then not having it
on when I'm supposed

00:23:00.250 --> 00:23:01.910
to have it on.

00:23:01.910 --> 00:23:03.290
Okay, so just to repeat,

00:23:03.290 --> 00:23:05.150
we have a motion and a second already.

00:23:05.150 --> 00:23:05.983
Any discussion?

00:23:07.810 --> 00:23:09.390
All right.

00:23:09.390 --> 00:23:13.619
Those in favor was so signified
by raising your right hand.

00:23:13.619 --> 00:23:16.359
Those opposed, same sign.

00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:18.609
Motion carries unanimously.

00:23:22.295 --> 00:23:23.362
All right.

00:23:23.362 --> 00:23:24.541
<v ->So Chairman Kelly,</v>

00:23:24.541 --> 00:23:27.230
I'd like to go ahead and
digress from the agenda

00:23:27.230 --> 00:23:30.685
just for a second with us
having new board members,

00:23:30.685 --> 00:23:33.833
and we've had kind of a
pause from heavy rulemaking,

00:23:33.833 --> 00:23:35.817
just wanted to do just a couple of just,

00:23:35.817 --> 00:23:39.426
you know, laundry keeping,
you know, housekeeping,

00:23:39.426 --> 00:23:41.944
the whole nine yards of
how we do our business

00:23:41.944 --> 00:23:44.757
as you start cruising
through the agenda.

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First thing, there are three folders,

00:23:47.239 --> 00:23:50.071
three color folders on your desk.

00:23:50.071 --> 00:23:53.498
The purple one reflects
any of the public comments

00:23:53.498 --> 00:23:54.798
that have come in,

00:23:54.798 --> 00:23:56.784
either through written testimony

00:23:56.784 --> 00:23:59.088
or through the official
public comment period.

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And staff will address those.

00:24:01.936 --> 00:24:04.631
You know, if they're
applicable as we move forward.

00:24:04.631 --> 00:24:07.569
There's the orange folder,
which is the supplemental folder,

00:24:07.569 --> 00:24:09.009
the substitute.

00:24:09.009 --> 00:24:09.842
I'm sorry.

00:24:09.842 --> 00:24:11.715
The substitute text folder

00:24:11.715 --> 00:24:14.946
and then your yellow one
or supplemental materials.

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Again, there's no test.

00:24:17.331 --> 00:24:18.652
We will walk you through it.

00:24:18.652 --> 00:24:20.562
When we say, if it's
in your orange folder,

00:24:20.562 --> 00:24:22.445
then that'll give you some reflection.

00:24:22.445 --> 00:24:25.786
This just seemed to work
really well a few years ago,

00:24:25.786 --> 00:24:27.692
when we would have like, you know,

00:24:27.692 --> 00:24:30.519
25 pounds of material on your desk

00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:33.011
and you had to kinda go
and fish really, really quickly.

00:24:33.011 --> 00:24:35.494
And you found out by the
time we were done presenting

00:24:35.494 --> 00:24:36.327
an item.

00:24:36.327 --> 00:24:38.793
So we're just trying to make
it just more user-friendly

00:24:38.793 --> 00:24:39.626
for you all,

00:24:39.626 --> 00:24:41.729
knowing that we want
you to be able to focus

00:24:41.729 --> 00:24:43.068
on the issue at hand.

00:24:43.068 --> 00:24:45.400
So the other thing I wanted
to kind of walk through

00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:46.233
really quickly,

00:24:46.233 --> 00:24:49.628
and I know that when you
all had this also at orientation,

00:24:49.628 --> 00:24:52.716
but we realize you had
very busy in real jobs.

00:24:52.716 --> 00:24:56.503
So it's our job to also
remind you of these things.

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Just wanted to kind of go
over the type of rule items

00:25:00.822 --> 00:25:01.779
that you have.

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This is not reflect your non rule items,

00:25:04.337 --> 00:25:07.266
your committee and other
action items that you take.

00:25:07.266 --> 00:25:09.301
So what I wanted to
do is really quickly...

00:25:09.301 --> 00:25:11.777
And you will also see
this in your agenda

00:25:11.777 --> 00:25:12.941
on your cover pages,

00:25:12.941 --> 00:25:14.423
where at the top of your cover page,

00:25:14.423 --> 00:25:16.926
we tell you, this is the type of item.

00:25:16.926 --> 00:25:20.369
And just as a reminder
for your discussion items,

00:25:20.369 --> 00:25:23.427
this is where we really,
really want you all to dig in.

00:25:23.427 --> 00:25:25.407
We want your input,
we want your feedback,

00:25:25.407 --> 00:25:26.983
we want your directives.

00:25:26.983 --> 00:25:29.956
We take that, we take
it to your stakeholders

00:25:29.956 --> 00:25:32.273
that also informs the draft rule text.

00:25:32.273 --> 00:25:33.791
There's no action at this time,

00:25:33.791 --> 00:25:38.791
but it does allow staff to
follow your lead on your items.

00:25:39.207 --> 00:25:42.086
The next one, that proposal,
this is your first reading.

00:25:42.086 --> 00:25:46.508
So at this item, this is
where whatever crafting issue

00:25:46.508 --> 00:25:49.582
you wanna do with the
item now is the time to do it.

00:25:49.582 --> 00:25:53.406
So here is where from
discussion to proposal,

00:25:53.406 --> 00:25:57.000
whatever you want your
policy change to look like.

00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:00.583
This is where we really
need your input into ensure

00:26:00.583 --> 00:26:03.115
that what you want is actually reflected

00:26:03.115 --> 00:26:05.296
in the rule text properly.

00:26:05.296 --> 00:26:08.044
Once you take that official vote,

00:26:08.044 --> 00:26:09.782
that is your first action item.

00:26:09.782 --> 00:26:12.684
It will then go out for an
official public comment period

00:26:12.684 --> 00:26:14.668
where you tell the world,

00:26:14.668 --> 00:26:16.996
hey, we are looking
at making this change,

00:26:16.996 --> 00:26:18.920
we wanna know how you feel about it.

00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:20.303
Well, however you feel about it.

00:26:20.303 --> 00:26:22.145
You're gonna submit comments through

00:26:22.145 --> 00:26:23.981
the official public comment period,

00:26:23.981 --> 00:26:26.751
which what we do is then
we will summarize those,

00:26:26.751 --> 00:26:28.832
and we will provide those to you.

00:26:28.832 --> 00:26:32.803
So you know how the world
and your stakeholders feel about

00:26:32.803 --> 00:26:34.542
your proposed changes.

00:26:34.542 --> 00:26:37.646
The next time you see
the item is at adoption.

00:26:37.646 --> 00:26:40.081
This is your second and final reading.

00:26:40.081 --> 00:26:43.011
The are only changes that you can make

00:26:43.011 --> 00:26:45.351
are non-substantive changes.

00:26:45.351 --> 00:26:47.281
Because you can never
have a bait and switch.

00:26:47.281 --> 00:26:49.291
You can't tell people you're
gonna go do this thing,

00:26:49.291 --> 00:26:50.730
have them comment on and go,

00:26:50.730 --> 00:26:53.200
yeah, JK, we're really
gonna do this other thing.

00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:55.782
You can revert your rule text.

00:26:55.782 --> 00:26:58.794
You can make non-substantive
technical changes,

00:26:58.794 --> 00:27:02.627
but anytime we want
you to all have your input

00:27:04.439 --> 00:27:06.808
during discussion and proposal items.

00:27:06.808 --> 00:27:09.410
And we don't want you to feel
short changed when we're like,

00:27:09.410 --> 00:27:11.444
yeah, that sounds like
a good idea to adoption,

00:27:11.444 --> 00:27:13.321
but we can't do that.

00:27:13.321 --> 00:27:14.942
There are things that we can do.

00:27:14.942 --> 00:27:17.760
We can withdraw the
proposal and go back out,

00:27:17.760 --> 00:27:21.398
which we know is not the
most expedient process

00:27:21.398 --> 00:27:23.749
in the world, but we
will give you guidance,

00:27:23.749 --> 00:27:26.619
you've got a great legal counsel here

00:27:26.619 --> 00:27:28.057
that will also give you guidance.

00:27:28.057 --> 00:27:30.739
But wanted to make sure
that as you all are walking

00:27:30.739 --> 00:27:34.002
through these today and
staffs presenting these,

00:27:34.002 --> 00:27:38.085
and also please stop us
at any time of, you know,

00:27:39.947 --> 00:27:42.231
any questions that you
have about the process,

00:27:42.231 --> 00:27:43.528
that's what we're here for.

00:27:43.528 --> 00:27:45.413
We wanna make sure that
you have the right information.

00:27:45.413 --> 00:27:48.198
This is what it will
look like on the slides.

00:27:48.198 --> 00:27:51.208
This is trying to mimic what
you have in your agenda item,

00:27:51.208 --> 00:27:54.166
where it talks about
discussion proposal adoption.

00:27:54.166 --> 00:27:57.174
What you will see as staff
is moving through the items

00:27:57.174 --> 00:27:59.495
is that it will be eliminated blue

00:27:59.495 --> 00:28:01.317
from where we are right now.

00:28:01.317 --> 00:28:04.693
And then also we will have a
date for many previous work.

00:28:04.693 --> 00:28:07.026
So just wanted to, you know,

00:28:07.026 --> 00:28:09.310
thank you so much, Chairman Kelly

00:28:09.310 --> 00:28:11.888
for allow me to just kinda
take a moment to make sure

00:28:11.888 --> 00:28:13.596
that we're all on the same page.

00:28:13.596 --> 00:28:17.596
With that said, are there
any process questions?

00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:21.858
Then I must have done a great job.

00:28:21.858 --> 00:28:24.108
(chuckles)

00:28:29.566 --> 00:28:30.399
<v ->All right.</v>

00:28:30.399 --> 00:28:32.293
I think Ms. McLaughlin is up next

00:28:32.293 --> 00:28:36.247
and we're gonna be
looking at Chapter 227,

00:28:36.247 --> 00:28:37.997
the four-year review.

00:28:39.811 --> 00:28:41.394
All right, Jessica.

00:28:43.564 --> 00:28:46.237
<v ->Okay, mic is on
first step down.</v>

00:28:46.237 --> 00:28:49.020
Good morning, Dr. Kelly and board.

00:28:49.020 --> 00:28:51.670
It's so fantastic to be
with you all in person

00:28:51.670 --> 00:28:54.954
to see your smiling faces,
not on a Zoom screen,

00:28:54.954 --> 00:28:56.933
but here in person.

00:28:56.933 --> 00:28:58.968
And we have the privilege
today of presenting to you

00:28:58.968 --> 00:29:00.484
item number seven.

00:29:00.484 --> 00:29:03.779
And which is the adoption
of your four-year rule review

00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:05.696
for 19 TAC Chapter 227.

00:29:07.020 --> 00:29:08.897
And as you can see here on this side,

00:29:08.897 --> 00:29:12.373
this item came to you as a
board for proposal in April

00:29:12.373 --> 00:29:14.951
and today is being
presented to you for adoption.

00:29:14.951 --> 00:29:16.017
So you'll see that in the orange,

00:29:16.017 --> 00:29:19.702
that indicates where we are
in our rulemaking process.

00:29:19.702 --> 00:29:23.164
Oh, and I just realized
we need to click up.

00:29:23.164 --> 00:29:26.290
Chapter 227 houses
all of your requirements

00:29:26.290 --> 00:29:29.130
that candidates must possess
in order to be considered

00:29:29.130 --> 00:29:32.407
for an admission into an
Educator Preparation Program.

00:29:32.407 --> 00:29:34.502
As well as the preliminary evaluation

00:29:34.502 --> 00:29:36.659
for certification eligibility.

00:29:36.659 --> 00:29:40.347
And this item complies with
the required four-year rule

00:29:40.347 --> 00:29:43.281
review cycle for all
of the SBEC Chapters.

00:29:43.281 --> 00:29:46.516
And so as an outcome of
your approval of the proposal

00:29:46.516 --> 00:29:47.349
in April,

00:29:47.349 --> 00:29:51.452
Chapter 227 was posted for
30 days of public comment,

00:29:51.452 --> 00:29:54.381
which allowed the public
to review the rule in full

00:29:54.381 --> 00:29:57.525
and comment on the
relevance or need for these rules

00:29:57.525 --> 00:29:58.775
moving forward.

00:30:00.424 --> 00:30:03.239
We did receive two public
comments on the rule,

00:30:03.239 --> 00:30:06.914
and those are summarized
in your purple folder.

00:30:06.914 --> 00:30:09.803
One of those comments
was in support of the reduction

00:30:09.803 --> 00:30:10.773
of the rules.

00:30:10.773 --> 00:30:13.080
And one of the other
comments was outside the scope

00:30:13.080 --> 00:30:14.488
of our current rulemaking,

00:30:14.488 --> 00:30:17.512
but provided feedback
on the GPA requirement

00:30:17.512 --> 00:30:18.875
for program admission.

00:30:18.875 --> 00:30:21.801
And we'll take those that
feedback into consideration

00:30:21.801 --> 00:30:23.551
in future rulemaking.

00:30:24.943 --> 00:30:25.780
<v Dr. Kelly>Very good.</v>

00:30:25.780 --> 00:30:27.956
<v ->Without this items
nice and short and sweet.</v>

00:30:27.956 --> 00:30:32.706
And so I'll check to see if
there's any public testimony.

00:30:33.605 --> 00:30:35.478
<v Dr. Kelly>Being that
there are none according</v>

00:30:35.478 --> 00:30:37.061
to Cameron.

00:30:37.061 --> 00:30:38.394
Okay.

00:30:38.394 --> 00:30:40.375
<v ->And I'm happy to
answer any questions</v>

00:30:40.375 --> 00:30:43.458
that board members that you may have.

00:30:48.541 --> 00:30:49.374
<v ->Correct.</v>

00:30:49.374 --> 00:30:52.308
Ms. McLaughlin, though we
are doing a four-year review.

00:30:52.308 --> 00:30:54.179
There are really essentially no changes

00:30:54.179 --> 00:30:56.307
from the previous adoption.

00:30:56.307 --> 00:30:57.260
<v ->Correct, Chairman Kelly.</v>

00:30:57.260 --> 00:31:00.157
This is just an opportunity
for the public to give feedback

00:31:00.157 --> 00:31:01.690
on the relevance of the rule.

00:31:01.690 --> 00:31:04.817
We still need a Chapter
227 requirements.

00:31:04.817 --> 00:31:05.817
<v ->All right.</v>

00:31:06.911 --> 00:31:09.161
Okay, well, then we have...

00:31:10.843 --> 00:31:13.120
Okay, there is the motion up there.

00:31:13.120 --> 00:31:14.314
All right, do we have anyone

00:31:14.314 --> 00:31:18.822
that would like to make a
motion with regard to this item?

00:31:18.822 --> 00:31:20.219
<v Dr. Bob>A motion.</v>

00:31:20.219 --> 00:31:21.052
<v ->I'm sorry.</v>

00:31:21.052 --> 00:31:25.429
Okay. Dr. Bob is making
a first for this motion.

00:31:25.429 --> 00:31:27.012
Do I hear a second?

00:31:38.934 --> 00:31:39.960
Good point.

00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:41.144
That's a good thing I was off mic

00:31:41.144 --> 00:31:42.547
we can redo that whole thing.

00:31:42.547 --> 00:31:43.380
(laughs)

00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:44.213
All right.

00:31:45.817 --> 00:31:49.316
Yes, if you would also,
as you make this motion,

00:31:49.316 --> 00:31:51.185
also read it for us.

00:31:51.185 --> 00:31:53.572
So can we begin with that again?

00:31:53.572 --> 00:31:56.111
And ask you to read the motion.

00:31:56.111 --> 00:31:56.944
Dr. Bob.

00:31:58.134 --> 00:31:59.132
<v ->Okay.</v>

00:31:59.132 --> 00:32:03.844
Motion to adopt the review
of 19 TAC Chapter 227

00:32:03.844 --> 00:32:07.511
provision for educator
preparation candidates.

00:32:07.511 --> 00:32:08.628
<v ->All right.</v>

00:32:08.628 --> 00:32:09.866
Thank you, Dr. Bob.

00:32:09.866 --> 00:32:13.449
And we have already
had a second from Jean.

00:32:14.590 --> 00:32:17.257
Is there any further discussion?

00:32:18.864 --> 00:32:20.574
All right, those in favor of the motion,

00:32:20.574 --> 00:32:23.696
please so signify by
raising your right hand.

00:32:23.696 --> 00:32:25.696
Those opposed same sign.

00:32:26.579 --> 00:32:28.829
Motion carries unanimously.

00:32:30.145 --> 00:32:31.895
All right, thank you.

00:32:32.900 --> 00:32:36.830
All right, Ms. McLaughlin
now we're on to Chapter eight.

00:32:36.830 --> 00:32:40.930
Another review of four-your review.

00:32:40.930 --> 00:32:42.584
<v ->Thank you, Chairman Kelly.</v>

00:32:42.584 --> 00:32:43.570
There will be a little bit of deja vu,

00:32:43.570 --> 00:32:45.300
'cause I'm gonna share
almost the exact same material

00:32:45.300 --> 00:32:46.240
with you.

00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:49.880
So item eight is the adoption
of the four-year role review

00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.420
for 19 TAC Chapter 228.

00:32:52.420 --> 00:32:54.940
And similar to Chapter 227,

00:32:54.940 --> 00:32:57.440
board you approve this proposal in April

00:32:57.440 --> 00:32:59.990
and today it's being
presented to you for adoption.

00:33:00.990 --> 00:33:03.790
Chapter 228 is your rule that includes

00:33:03.790 --> 00:33:06.770
all of your preparation
program requirements.

00:33:06.770 --> 00:33:09.050
And this item also
complies with that required

00:33:09.050 --> 00:33:12.510
four-year rule review cycle
for all of your SBEC Chapters.

00:33:12.510 --> 00:33:16.700
And again, this as an outcome
of your approval in April,

00:33:16.700 --> 00:33:20.330
Chapter 228 was posted for
30 days of public comment,

00:33:20.330 --> 00:33:22.680
which allowed the public to
comment on the relevance

00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:23.963
and need for the rules.

00:33:25.850 --> 00:33:29.290
We did receive three
comments on this rule review.

00:33:29.290 --> 00:33:31.900
One was in support of
the reduction of the rules,

00:33:31.900 --> 00:33:34.890
and two were outside the
scope of current rulemaking.

00:33:34.890 --> 00:33:37.940
The comments provided
feedback on potential improvement

00:33:37.940 --> 00:33:40.450
areas for Educator Preparation Programs

00:33:40.450 --> 00:33:43.900
and names some potential
flexibility of the rules

00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:46.930
related to the delivery of
coursework in a virtual setting

00:33:46.930 --> 00:33:49.140
and the required timing of observations.

00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:50.630
And the full summary of those comments

00:33:50.630 --> 00:33:52.630
are also included in your purple folder.

00:34:00.030 --> 00:34:02.810
<v ->Cameron, is there
any public testimony?</v>

00:34:02.810 --> 00:34:04.110
All right, we do have one.

00:34:05.937 --> 00:34:06.770
(indistinct)

00:34:06.770 --> 00:34:07.603
<v ->Thank you.</v>

00:34:07.603 --> 00:34:09.050
So I'll step aside and be back.

00:34:09.050 --> 00:34:11.000
<v ->Marissa Castanon Hernandez,</v>

00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:12.363
Texas Teach Plus.

00:34:27.380 --> 00:34:30.210
<v ->I have a timer here
for your three minutes.</v>

00:34:30.210 --> 00:34:32.363
I will ding you at 30 seconds.

00:34:35.130 --> 00:34:35.963
Go ahead.

00:34:37.292 --> 00:34:38.302
<v ->Good morning.</v>

00:34:38.302 --> 00:34:39.920
My name is Marissa Castanon-Hernandez.

00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:42.980
I've been a public school
teacher for 20 years

00:34:42.980 --> 00:34:45.870
and I am a Teach Plus
Senior Policy Fellow.

00:34:45.870 --> 00:34:48.450
Teach Plus Fellows are
committed to effectuating change

00:34:48.450 --> 00:34:51.610
in education by
advocating for our students.

00:34:51.610 --> 00:34:53.380
I and my Teach Plus colleagues recommend

00:34:53.380 --> 00:34:56.040
readoption of the rules for Chapter 227

00:34:56.040 --> 00:34:58.200
provisions for educator
preparation candidates

00:34:58.200 --> 00:35:01.480
and Chapter 228 Educator
Preparation Programs.

00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:04.380
We do however, have some recommendations

00:35:04.380 --> 00:35:06.580
for important changes for Chapter 228

00:35:06.580 --> 00:35:09.120
as proposed by Texas teachers.

00:35:09.120 --> 00:35:12.640
I believe we can do more to
provide teacher candidates

00:35:12.640 --> 00:35:15.350
with the experience they
need to better reach all learners.

00:35:15.350 --> 00:35:17.890
And I'm here to share with you how.

00:35:17.890 --> 00:35:18.910
As Teach Plus Fellows,

00:35:18.910 --> 00:35:20.520
we conducted a survey for teachers

00:35:20.520 --> 00:35:22.880
that asked about their
clinical experiences

00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.260
and recommendations
for Texas policy makers

00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:28.760
and Education Preparation
Programs, EPPs.

00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:31.270
We sought to explore how to
improve the clinical experience

00:35:31.270 --> 00:35:32.770
for candidates to better prepare them

00:35:32.770 --> 00:35:34.690
for early career effectiveness.

00:35:34.690 --> 00:35:37.560
Specifically, we wanted to
determine the key components

00:35:37.560 --> 00:35:40.170
of a high quality clinical experience

00:35:40.170 --> 00:35:42.300
and which teacher competencies are most

00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:43.730
essential to develop?

00:35:43.730 --> 00:35:45.640
We surveyed over 200 teachers,

00:35:45.640 --> 00:35:47.540
our finding showed that,

00:35:47.540 --> 00:35:50.080
teachers want more than the
state's minimum requirements

00:35:50.080 --> 00:35:51.760
in a mentoring program.

00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.020
The key to a high quality
clinical experiences

00:35:54.020 --> 00:35:57.470
starting early in multiple
school and classroom settings,

00:35:57.470 --> 00:35:59.990
data driven instruction
and technology integration

00:35:59.990 --> 00:36:02.800
are core competencies not
being developed effectively

00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:04.590
in teacher candidates,

00:36:04.590 --> 00:36:06.930
new teachers feel
unprepared to demonstrate

00:36:06.930 --> 00:36:09.040
cultural competence
and deliver effective

00:36:09.040 --> 00:36:11.930
classroom instruction to
emergent second language learners

00:36:11.930 --> 00:36:14.190
and students with
special education needs.

00:36:14.190 --> 00:36:16.590
Based on these findings
our recommendations are,

00:36:17.970 --> 00:36:20.190
number one, to improve
teacher mentoring programs

00:36:20.190 --> 00:36:23.100
by setting stringent
criteria for mentor selection,

00:36:23.100 --> 00:36:24.900
providing robust training for mentors

00:36:24.900 --> 00:36:26.310
and establishing a minimum amount

00:36:26.310 --> 00:36:27.950
of non-teaching contact time.

00:36:27.950 --> 00:36:31.040
Number two, improve
teacher candidate readiness

00:36:31.040 --> 00:36:34.380
by emphasizing early experiences
in schools and classrooms

00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:37.330
in at least two settings with
diverse student populations.

00:36:37.330 --> 00:36:39.390
Three, prepare teacher candidates

00:36:39.390 --> 00:36:41.400
for data driven
instruction by establishing

00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:43.810
and requiring dedicated scenario-based

00:36:43.810 --> 00:36:45.690
student data analysis coursework.

00:36:45.690 --> 00:36:48.740
Four, prepare teacher
candidates to integrate technology

00:36:48.740 --> 00:36:50.780
into classroom
instruction by establishing

00:36:50.780 --> 00:36:52.970
and requiring relevant
hands-on coursework.

00:36:52.970 --> 00:36:55.530
And lastly, intentionally
develop teacher candidates

00:36:55.530 --> 00:36:58.420
cultural competence and
ability to deliver instruction

00:36:58.420 --> 00:37:01.980
to special populations by
exposing them to best practices.

00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:03.660
Addressing these areas will result

00:37:03.660 --> 00:37:06.070
in better prepared teachers
who will have an immediate

00:37:06.070 --> 00:37:09.513
and positive impact on
outcomes for all Texas students.

00:37:11.910 --> 00:37:12.743
I think that's (indistinct).

00:37:12.743 --> 00:37:13.930
<v Dr. Kelly>All right.</v>

00:37:13.930 --> 00:37:15.628
<v ->I would be happy to
answer any questions.</v>

00:37:15.628 --> 00:37:18.163
<v ->Any questions from
our board members?</v>

00:37:20.090 --> 00:37:22.310
Well, Marissa, we thank
you for these comments

00:37:22.310 --> 00:37:25.100
and we will certainly contemplate them

00:37:25.100 --> 00:37:27.280
as we move forward on many items.

00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:28.113
<v ->Thank you very much.</v>

00:37:28.113 --> 00:37:30.037
We would love to assist you if we can.

00:37:30.037 --> 00:37:30.883
<v ->All right.</v>

00:37:35.670 --> 00:37:38.420
Okay, moving on to the next item.

00:37:43.865 --> 00:37:46.073
(laughs)

00:37:46.073 --> 00:37:47.300
(indistinct)

00:37:47.300 --> 00:37:48.490
Oh, that's right.

00:37:48.490 --> 00:37:49.323
Okay.

00:37:50.410 --> 00:37:55.363
Do we have a motion for
the adoption of Chapter 228?

00:37:58.390 --> 00:38:02.150
Melissa, teacher makes that motion.

00:38:02.150 --> 00:38:05.363
Would you read it for us, Melissa?

00:38:08.830 --> 00:38:13.730
<v ->I move to adopt the review
of 19 TAC Chapter 228</v>

00:38:13.730 --> 00:38:16.513
requirements for Educator
Preparation Programs.

00:38:18.674 --> 00:38:21.091
(indistinct)

00:38:24.670 --> 00:38:25.860
<v ->This thing keeps
going off on me.</v>

00:38:25.860 --> 00:38:28.147
It's not entirely my fault.

00:38:28.147 --> 00:38:29.960
(laughs)

00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:31.980
Do we have any discussion on this item?

00:38:31.980 --> 00:38:33.363
Yes, Dr. Rodriguez.

00:38:34.340 --> 00:38:35.360
<v ->Thank you, Dr. Kelly.</v>

00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.650
Just wanting to confirm my understanding

00:38:38.650 --> 00:38:42.773
that there are essentially
no changes to Chapter 228?

00:38:44.230 --> 00:38:45.880
<v ->That is correct. Dr. Rodriguez.</v>

00:38:50.140 --> 00:38:50.993
<v ->Thank you, sir.</v>

00:38:51.982 --> 00:38:54.680
I just wanted to make a
comment about the performance

00:38:54.680 --> 00:38:56.210
over time.

00:38:56.210 --> 00:39:01.210
How could, and this may be
substantive or just a comment,

00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:03.490
not needing to be changed,

00:39:03.490 --> 00:39:08.490
that there be upfront
transparency on the websites

00:39:08.910 --> 00:39:13.910
because it is possible
that a program or university,

00:39:16.540 --> 00:39:19.190
if they've had a bad evaluation,

00:39:19.190 --> 00:39:21.640
and I don't mean bad
in a negative sense,

00:39:21.640 --> 00:39:24.590
but if it's under probation or warning

00:39:24.590 --> 00:39:27.690
that they will skip
that in their webpage

00:39:27.690 --> 00:39:32.690
and only show years
that are showed approved.

00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:36.650
And so could there be more
transparency from programs

00:39:36.650 --> 00:39:40.180
and universities to
actually show all the data?

00:39:40.180 --> 00:39:41.460
<v ->Okay.</v>

00:39:41.460 --> 00:39:43.070
I think I understand the point.

00:39:43.070 --> 00:39:45.120
Do you wanna comment on that Christie,

00:39:45.120 --> 00:39:48.203
whether that's within the
scope of this item or elsewhere?

00:39:49.110 --> 00:39:51.230
<v ->Yeah, since we're not
posted to discuss that,</v>

00:39:51.230 --> 00:39:53.410
we would love to have a
conversation with you afterwards.

00:39:53.410 --> 00:39:55.960
Any improvements that we could make,

00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:57.978
please get with us afterwards

00:39:57.978 --> 00:40:00.281
and we can have that conversation.

00:40:00.281 --> 00:40:01.290
<v ->Sorry.</v>

00:40:01.290 --> 00:40:04.253
<v ->Any other discussion on
this motion before we vote?</v>

00:40:06.100 --> 00:40:08.260
All right, those in favor of the motion,

00:40:08.260 --> 00:40:10.660
would you so signify by
raising your right hand?

00:40:11.590 --> 00:40:14.130
Those oppose same sign.

00:40:14.130 --> 00:40:15.913
Motion carries unanimously.

00:40:17.550 --> 00:40:18.407
<v ->Thank you all.</v>

00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:21.480
<v ->All right.</v>

00:40:27.830 --> 00:40:32.830
Okay, I think we are on item nine.

00:40:34.030 --> 00:40:34.863
Okay.

00:40:36.330 --> 00:40:38.210
And Dr. Ellison, you ready to roll?

00:40:38.210 --> 00:40:39.460
All right, thank you sir.

00:40:40.570 --> 00:40:41.480
<v ->Morning board.</v>

00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:42.603
Thank you, Dr. Kelly.

00:40:44.530 --> 00:40:47.610
Item nine provides an
opportunity to propose updates

00:40:47.610 --> 00:40:50.620
to Chapter 229, which is
the accountability system

00:40:50.620 --> 00:40:52.723
for Educator Preparation Programs.

00:40:54.210 --> 00:40:57.620
Briefly, I wanted to
provide a few common terms

00:40:57.620 --> 00:41:01.350
as we launch our
discussion of 229 today.

00:41:01.350 --> 00:41:04.940
So 229 contains the performance
standards and procedures

00:41:04.940 --> 00:41:07.660
for Educator Preparation
Program and Accountability.

00:41:07.660 --> 00:41:09.540
This includes the accountability system

00:41:09.540 --> 00:41:11.800
for Educator Preparation Programs

00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.233
or what you'll hear me refer to as ASEP.

00:41:15.190 --> 00:41:17.410
ASEP is the system of
indicators and standards

00:41:17.410 --> 00:41:19.930
for EPP accountability that inform

00:41:19.930 --> 00:41:22.805
the EPP accreditation status.

00:41:22.805 --> 00:41:25.010
Well, what's an accreditation status?

00:41:25.010 --> 00:41:27.160
Accreditation status
is the annual rating

00:41:27.160 --> 00:41:30.740
of our Educator Preparation
Programs based on ASEP.

00:41:30.740 --> 00:41:33.820
So Chapter 229 then is the Chapter

00:41:33.820 --> 00:41:35.450
that contains these rules.

00:41:35.450 --> 00:41:37.610
And also important for
our conversation today

00:41:37.610 --> 00:41:40.003
is the concept of a
certificate category.

00:41:40.970 --> 00:41:44.280
This is a distinct certificate
offered by an EPP,

00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.840
such as core subjects
EC-6 or Chemistry 7-12,

00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:50.783
or the like those things
are certificate categories.

00:41:52.050 --> 00:41:54.270
A little bit more about
our ASEP indicators.

00:41:54.270 --> 00:41:56.470
You'll see them here on the screen.

00:41:56.470 --> 00:41:58.630
Chapter 229 contains these indicators

00:41:58.630 --> 00:42:00.660
and all the related calculations

00:42:00.660 --> 00:42:02.920
which are contained in the ASEP manual.

00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:05.123
That's a figure in Chapter 229,

00:42:05.123 --> 00:42:07.530
that will also be
taking a look at today.

00:42:07.530 --> 00:42:09.240
Your indicators include the pass rate

00:42:09.240 --> 00:42:11.610
on the Pedagogy and
Professional Responsibilities

00:42:11.610 --> 00:42:13.140
or PPR exam.

00:42:13.140 --> 00:42:15.670
The pass rate on non PPR exams,

00:42:15.670 --> 00:42:18.320
which are generally our
content pedagogy exams,

00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:20.130
the results from the principal survey,

00:42:20.130 --> 00:42:21.890
our student growth indicator,

00:42:21.890 --> 00:42:23.950
our observation frequency,

00:42:23.950 --> 00:42:27.320
quality of observations
and our teacher survey.

00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:29.660
We use all of these
indicators and the procedures

00:42:29.660 --> 00:42:32.090
in the manual to
complete the annual ASEP

00:42:32.090 --> 00:42:33.653
cycle of activities.

00:42:34.520 --> 00:42:37.110
This slide shows us
that cycle of activities

00:42:38.160 --> 00:42:39.600
over the course of the academic year,

00:42:39.600 --> 00:42:41.700
there are data generating activities,

00:42:41.700 --> 00:42:43.400
candidates take exams,

00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:46.070
teachers and principals
complete surveys,

00:42:46.070 --> 00:42:48.000
preparation programs
conduct observations,

00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.920
and support their candidates.

00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.060
EPPs finished reporting
their data and confirm

00:42:52.060 --> 00:42:54.950
the accuracy of that
data of their reporting

00:42:54.950 --> 00:42:56.570
after August 31st.

00:42:56.570 --> 00:42:58.330
In fact, that's what
we're doing right now

00:42:58.330 --> 00:43:00.700
leading into our September 15th deadline

00:43:00.700 --> 00:43:02.720
for the completion of all data reporting

00:43:02.720 --> 00:43:05.393
for the 2020, 2021 academic year.

00:43:06.290 --> 00:43:07.740
After all that data comes in,

00:43:07.740 --> 00:43:10.980
TEA performs the analysis
that are contained in the manual,

00:43:10.980 --> 00:43:13.410
and then we inform Educator
Preparation Programs

00:43:13.410 --> 00:43:16.900
of their ASEP status that
we'll recommend to the SBEC.

00:43:16.900 --> 00:43:20.140
We then bring those statuses to y'all

00:43:20.140 --> 00:43:21.970
at the following February meeting,

00:43:21.970 --> 00:43:24.750
which is what we did a
couple of meetings ago.

00:43:24.750 --> 00:43:27.260
Those statuses provide
important information

00:43:27.260 --> 00:43:29.220
to preparation programs to y'all,

00:43:29.220 --> 00:43:30.730
to the field, to candidates,

00:43:30.730 --> 00:43:34.400
kinda to everybody in the
educator preparation ecosystem.

00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:36.470
As I mentioned, right now
we're gearing up our support

00:43:36.470 --> 00:43:39.550
for preparation programs
in meeting that deadline

00:43:39.550 --> 00:43:41.323
of September 15th.

00:43:43.359 --> 00:43:45.460
How does the ASEP
status impact our programs?

00:43:45.460 --> 00:43:48.660
Well, the status is of
accredited, accredited warned,

00:43:48.660 --> 00:43:51.240
accredited probation and not rated,

00:43:51.240 --> 00:43:53.360
provide a useful alert light,

00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.410
both the preparation
programs and to the SBEC

00:43:56.410 --> 00:43:57.750
and to the public.

00:43:57.750 --> 00:44:00.170
Functionally, preparation
program statuses

00:44:00.170 --> 00:44:03.190
are used in Chapter 228 and Chapter 229

00:44:03.190 --> 00:44:05.740
and interact with some
other pieces and rule.

00:44:05.740 --> 00:44:08.210
Currently, preparation
programs with a status

00:44:08.210 --> 00:44:09.810
other than accredited are not allowed

00:44:09.810 --> 00:44:12.010
to formally change their name,

00:44:12.010 --> 00:44:14.950
cannot add certificate
categories or classes

00:44:14.950 --> 00:44:18.150
and any program amendments
that they might wish to make

00:44:18.150 --> 00:44:21.410
are subject to review by TEA staff.

00:44:21.410 --> 00:44:23.670
Additionally, those
programs are not eligible

00:44:23.670 --> 00:44:25.920
for commendations from this board.

00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:28.730
The accreditation status
is also used as a risk factor

00:44:28.730 --> 00:44:31.150
in the model that
differentiates our five-year

00:44:31.150 --> 00:44:32.710
continuing reviews.

00:44:32.710 --> 00:44:35.210
And finally, if an Educator
Preparation Program

00:44:35.210 --> 00:44:38.295
has a status of probation
for three years in a row,

00:44:38.295 --> 00:44:40.990
they're recommended for revocation.

00:44:40.990 --> 00:44:42.890
The idea here is that our system serves

00:44:42.890 --> 00:44:46.700
as a useful kind of like a
floor for expected performance,

00:44:46.700 --> 00:44:48.780
and that if EPPs fall below it,

00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:51.810
it should raise alarm identifying
some necessary points

00:44:51.810 --> 00:44:54.280
for improvement while
providing a timeline

00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:55.413
for that improvement.

00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:01.310
Recent actions by this
board related to Chapter 229

00:45:01.310 --> 00:45:03.750
include back in October, 2020,

00:45:03.750 --> 00:45:06.510
the board adopted
rural provisions to 229

00:45:06.510 --> 00:45:07.343
that allowed for all
programs to receive rating

00:45:07.343 --> 00:45:12.343
of not rated declared state
of disaster for 2019, 2020.

00:45:12.990 --> 00:45:15.930
And for all the data generated
as part of these processes

00:45:15.930 --> 00:45:16.940
to be report only.

00:45:16.940 --> 00:45:18.490
Reported to preparation programs,

00:45:18.490 --> 00:45:20.020
but not used from the determination

00:45:20.020 --> 00:45:21.950
of an accreditation status.

00:45:21.950 --> 00:45:23.120
At our February meeting,

00:45:23.120 --> 00:45:24.590
the board approved those ratings

00:45:24.590 --> 00:45:26.280
of not rated declared tier disaster

00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:28.200
for all of our preparation programs.

00:45:28.200 --> 00:45:29.870
And then back at our meeting in April,

00:45:29.870 --> 00:45:32.150
we had a discussion
item for Chapter 229,

00:45:32.150 --> 00:45:36.020
where we discussed
updates for 2020, 2021

00:45:36.020 --> 00:45:38.860
specifically extending
the status of not rated

00:45:38.860 --> 00:45:40.560
declared state of disaster

00:45:40.560 --> 00:45:42.640
for all Educator Preparation Programs

00:45:42.640 --> 00:45:45.070
for 2020, 2021.

00:45:45.070 --> 00:45:47.100
In that discussion, the
board provided guidance

00:45:47.100 --> 00:45:48.490
and I thank you all for that.

00:45:48.490 --> 00:45:51.670
And we were also
encouraged to reach back out

00:45:51.670 --> 00:45:52.503
to stakeholders,

00:45:52.503 --> 00:45:55.470
including the Educator
Preparation Advisory Committee

00:45:55.470 --> 00:45:56.640
or the EPAC.

00:45:56.640 --> 00:45:58.130
And we did get to do that.

00:45:58.130 --> 00:46:00.480
We had a really great
EPAC meeting back in May.

00:46:01.620 --> 00:46:03.940
Based on the discussion with the board,

00:46:03.940 --> 00:46:07.040
with the EPAC and
also a little bit of a results

00:46:07.040 --> 00:46:08.980
from the regular legislative session,

00:46:08.980 --> 00:46:10.680
we're bringing three groups of updates

00:46:10.680 --> 00:46:12.600
to Chapter 229 today.

00:46:12.600 --> 00:46:14.130
Most of which we saw in the discussion,

00:46:14.130 --> 00:46:16.790
but a couple of which are
actually new here for proposal,

00:46:16.790 --> 00:46:18.190
which I'll be sure to point.

00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:21.860
So here are those three
categories of updates.

00:46:21.860 --> 00:46:24.910
These categories include
extending the accreditation status

00:46:24.910 --> 00:46:27.050
related to the emergency declaration,

00:46:27.050 --> 00:46:29.260
while also recognizing the improvement

00:46:29.260 --> 00:46:31.250
of preparation programs previously

00:46:31.250 --> 00:46:34.010
with a lowered accreditation status.

00:46:34.010 --> 00:46:36.710
The second category
includes clarifying the pass rate

00:46:36.710 --> 00:46:39.170
for individual certificate categories.

00:46:39.170 --> 00:46:41.390
Well, similarly, recognizing
the improvement

00:46:41.390 --> 00:46:43.670
of preparation programs
that previously had low

00:46:43.670 --> 00:46:46.240
certificate category pass rates.

00:46:46.240 --> 00:46:48.480
Finally, the third category of edits

00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:51.070
include making edits to the ASEP manual

00:46:51.070 --> 00:46:53.400
to support these
updates and clarifications

00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:56.620
while also implementing
recent legislation.

00:46:56.620 --> 00:46:58.483
Let's take a look at these one by one.

00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.420
So as noted back in the April meeting,

00:47:02.420 --> 00:47:04.460
staff has continued
to hear from the board

00:47:04.460 --> 00:47:06.840
and from stakeholders
throughout the reporting year,

00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.820
there's been continued efforts
or continued effects rather

00:47:09.820 --> 00:47:11.100
of the public health crisis

00:47:11.100 --> 00:47:13.370
that have impacted multiple components

00:47:13.370 --> 00:47:14.700
of the accountability system

00:47:14.700 --> 00:47:17.390
and our data gathering
activities related to it.

00:47:17.390 --> 00:47:20.730
Specifically, we've heard
that there may be continued

00:47:20.730 --> 00:47:23.790
challenges with access
to campuses for candidates

00:47:23.790 --> 00:47:25.700
and for field supervisors.

00:47:25.700 --> 00:47:27.540
We've heard that in some cases,

00:47:27.540 --> 00:47:30.590
regular teacher evaluation
schedules have been disrupted

00:47:30.590 --> 00:47:33.850
or waved at local campuses
or at the district level.

00:47:33.850 --> 00:47:36.920
We've also noted that
candidates with waiver

00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:39.970
probationary certificates are excluded

00:47:39.970 --> 00:47:41.560
from our test pass rate data.

00:47:41.560 --> 00:47:45.080
So there's some data that
we don't have for this year.

00:47:45.080 --> 00:47:47.080
In conversation with
our preparation programs,

00:47:47.080 --> 00:47:49.410
they have expressed a desire for data

00:47:49.410 --> 00:47:52.300
that are generated this year
to inform their programming,

00:47:52.300 --> 00:47:54.800
their continuous improvement efforts.

00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:58.015
And also there's been
some questions from the field

00:47:58.015 --> 00:48:00.580
related to commendation eligibility.

00:48:00.580 --> 00:48:03.000
And additionally, more broadly,

00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:05.300
an ability to quote
unquote, get out of the ditch.

00:48:05.300 --> 00:48:09.210
If a program that previously
was rated as accredited warned

00:48:09.210 --> 00:48:12.370
or accredited probation has
improved their performance

00:48:12.370 --> 00:48:16.100
during this pandemic
year during 2020, 2021,

00:48:16.100 --> 00:48:20.120
is there an opportunity to
recognize that performance?

00:48:20.120 --> 00:48:22.540
You'll remember that if
a program is on probation

00:48:22.540 --> 00:48:23.730
for three years in a row,

00:48:23.730 --> 00:48:25.950
there's this, we count
this string of years.

00:48:25.950 --> 00:48:28.040
Is there an opportunity for programs

00:48:28.040 --> 00:48:30.943
to break any continuous count of years?

00:48:31.950 --> 00:48:34.090
So such an opportunity would allow us

00:48:34.090 --> 00:48:36.760
to note bright spots this year.

00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:40.240
So in response to all of this input,

00:48:40.240 --> 00:48:43.430
the updates to rule text
in this category include

00:48:43.430 --> 00:48:45.020
the following.

00:48:45.020 --> 00:48:48.820
The first is an update to 229.4 B4A

00:48:48.820 --> 00:48:50.740
and this is on page 16 of your item

00:48:50.740 --> 00:48:53.530
if you care to reference the rule text.

00:48:53.530 --> 00:48:57.110
This update to 229.4B4A
extends the status

00:48:57.110 --> 00:48:59.210
of not rated declared state of disaster

00:48:59.210 --> 00:49:02.033
for the 2020, 2021 reporting year.

00:49:03.020 --> 00:49:05.630
The second is an update to 229.4A,

00:49:05.630 --> 00:49:07.690
which is on page 13 of your item.

00:49:07.690 --> 00:49:10.560
And as a continuation of
data being reported back

00:49:10.560 --> 00:49:15.210
to preparation programs for
the 2020, 2021 academic year.

00:49:15.210 --> 00:49:17.670
These data are currently being collected

00:49:17.670 --> 00:49:19.910
and as noted by EPP stakeholders,

00:49:19.910 --> 00:49:22.750
we'll be able to report
these data back to them

00:49:22.750 --> 00:49:26.400
and back to the board
in a comprehensive way.

00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:28.300
And this data is actually
more comprehensive

00:49:28.300 --> 00:49:31.710
than it was in 2019,
2020 as your surveys,

00:49:31.710 --> 00:49:33.690
your principal surveys
and your teacher surveys

00:49:33.690 --> 00:49:35.270
were collected this year.

00:49:35.270 --> 00:49:38.433
So there's more data
available in 2020, 2021.

00:49:39.350 --> 00:49:42.870
Third, following the pattern
that this board took last year,

00:49:42.870 --> 00:49:45.430
we have further extended the
rollout of the implementation

00:49:45.430 --> 00:49:46.950
of the ASEP index.

00:49:46.950 --> 00:49:50.330
This provides an overlap year
once the accountability system

00:49:50.330 --> 00:49:52.140
is again consequential.

00:49:52.140 --> 00:49:54.283
That rule text is on
page 15 of your item.

00:49:55.180 --> 00:49:57.830
Finally, as noted by stakeholders.

00:49:57.830 --> 00:49:59.330
Some of our preparation programs

00:49:59.330 --> 00:50:02.510
that previously had lowered
accreditation statuses

00:50:03.470 --> 00:50:06.640
are likely concerned about
there being a count of years

00:50:06.640 --> 00:50:09.190
or being ineligible for commendations.

00:50:09.190 --> 00:50:11.500
And may have improved in the measures

00:50:11.500 --> 00:50:14.500
that they previously were
failing at during the pandemic.

00:50:14.500 --> 00:50:19.500
So new 229.4B4D which
is on page 17 of your item,

00:50:20.060 --> 00:50:22.660
provides this board an
opportunity to recognize

00:50:22.660 --> 00:50:24.003
this improvement work.

00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:26.870
What this rule text does is that,

00:50:26.870 --> 00:50:29.900
if an EPP that had a
prior status of warned

00:50:29.900 --> 00:50:33.280
or probation for those
preparation programs,

00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:37.800
upon us, quote unquote, running
the numbers in 2020, 2021,

00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:39.690
if those preparation
programs would have received

00:50:39.690 --> 00:50:41.940
a status of accredited,

00:50:41.940 --> 00:50:46.250
this then would break any
continuous count of years.

00:50:46.250 --> 00:50:48.470
Also, it would allow them to be eligible

00:50:48.470 --> 00:50:50.480
for your commendations as awarded

00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:51.933
at our next February meeting.

00:50:52.860 --> 00:50:56.140
This is a data-based way for this board

00:50:56.140 --> 00:51:00.100
to allow these programs to recognize

00:51:00.100 --> 00:51:03.700
the improvement in these
programs along these lines.

00:51:03.700 --> 00:51:06.440
These updates extend
the status of not rated

00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:09.320
declared stated disaster for 2020, 2021,

00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:12.700
while meaningfully recognizing
the previous programs

00:51:12.700 --> 00:51:14.300
that have done this improvement.

00:51:15.860 --> 00:51:20.260
The second group of
updates include clarifications

00:51:20.260 --> 00:51:23.530
related to the certificate
category pass rate.

00:51:23.530 --> 00:51:25.420
As discussed at the last meeting,

00:51:25.420 --> 00:51:28.100
the emergence of the Science
of Teaching Reading exam,

00:51:28.100 --> 00:51:30.270
which is one exam that is a requirement

00:51:30.270 --> 00:51:32.440
in multiple certificate categories

00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:37.320
has prompted staff to
discuss calculation approaches

00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.140
and to clarify procedures and rule.

00:51:40.140 --> 00:51:42.230
Additionally, this is another
space where the board

00:51:42.230 --> 00:51:44.913
can potentially recognize
programmatic improvement.

00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:49.150
So based on feedback,
again, from the board

00:51:49.150 --> 00:51:50.440
and from the EPAC,

00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.100
we've heard that it's
important to ensure

00:51:53.100 --> 00:51:55.580
that the results from the Science
of Teaching Reading exam

00:51:55.580 --> 00:51:58.200
be used in the accountability system.

00:51:58.200 --> 00:51:59.900
We've also heard that
it's important to ensure

00:51:59.900 --> 00:52:02.480
that EPP standards have some alignment

00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:04.453
with the requirements for candidates.

00:52:05.540 --> 00:52:07.810
We also heard that
it's important to ensure

00:52:07.810 --> 00:52:09.470
that the performance of candidates

00:52:09.470 --> 00:52:13.970
in the certificate category
is used in the EPP results

00:52:13.970 --> 00:52:16.077
for that certificate category.

00:52:16.077 --> 00:52:19.940
And finally, we've also
heard as we were discussing

00:52:19.940 --> 00:52:21.750
these clarifications in rule,

00:52:21.750 --> 00:52:25.380
particularly with the EPAC and
with some other stakeholders,

00:52:25.380 --> 00:52:27.800
the importance of
understanding the potential impact

00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.110
on bilingual certification programs.

00:52:30.110 --> 00:52:32.580
A little bit more about that one.

00:52:32.580 --> 00:52:36.403
For certificate categories
with multiple non PPR tests.

00:52:37.430 --> 00:52:39.830
You know, this discussion
has been initiated

00:52:39.830 --> 00:52:42.520
by the emergence of the Science
of Teaching Reading exam,

00:52:42.520 --> 00:52:44.050
but the bilingual supplemental exam

00:52:44.050 --> 00:52:47.440
is similarly used as
the same exam is used

00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:49.900
for multiple certificate categories.

00:52:49.900 --> 00:52:53.050
So we wanna make sure
that we're doing the calculation

00:52:53.050 --> 00:52:55.370
approach the same since
the situation is the same

00:52:55.370 --> 00:52:56.950
for both of those.

00:52:56.950 --> 00:53:01.040
If a program fails to meet
the standard on either exam,

00:53:01.040 --> 00:53:03.460
this will count as a
year wherein they failed

00:53:03.460 --> 00:53:06.163
to meet the standard for
the certificate category.

00:53:07.120 --> 00:53:10.480
So again, we wanted to see
if this would have a differential

00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.300
impact on our bilingual programs.

00:53:12.300 --> 00:53:16.910
We looked at the data from
the two most recent years

00:53:16.910 --> 00:53:18.910
where data was actionable,

00:53:18.910 --> 00:53:22.050
which was 2017, 18 and 2018, 19.

00:53:22.050 --> 00:53:25.700
And as you can see in the
data reported on the screen,

00:53:25.700 --> 00:53:27.920
this approach does not
have a differential impact

00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.420
on our preparation
programs over the course

00:53:30.420 --> 00:53:31.730
of those two years,

00:53:31.730 --> 00:53:33.330
because there was only one program

00:53:33.330 --> 00:53:35.320
that failed to meet the
standard in one year

00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:37.263
for one of the two tests.

00:53:38.230 --> 00:53:40.300
And they subsequently
in the following year,

00:53:40.300 --> 00:53:42.250
met the standard for both tests.

00:53:42.250 --> 00:53:45.240
So this wouldn't
retroactively negatively impact

00:53:45.240 --> 00:53:47.880
our programs based on
the data that is available

00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:48.993
for us to evaluate.

00:53:51.820 --> 00:53:53.350
Again, the second piece here

00:53:53.350 --> 00:53:56.510
is around recognizing
programmatic improvement.

00:53:56.510 --> 00:53:58.470
So similar to recognizing programs

00:53:58.470 --> 00:54:01.110
that previously were not
meeting their ASEP standards,

00:54:01.110 --> 00:54:02.890
but have improved.

00:54:02.890 --> 00:54:06.270
The board has an
opportunity to recognize EPPs

00:54:06.270 --> 00:54:09.860
who have improved within
specific certificate categories.

00:54:09.860 --> 00:54:11.840
So similar to ASEP,

00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.730
if you fail the certificate
category pass rate

00:54:14.730 --> 00:54:16.650
for three years in a row,

00:54:16.650 --> 00:54:19.330
your ability as a
preparation program to offer

00:54:19.330 --> 00:54:21.960
that certificate category is revoked.

00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.600
Well, we're allowing the
board to do here is that,

00:54:24.600 --> 00:54:28.230
if upon us running the
numbers for 2020, 2021,

00:54:28.230 --> 00:54:30.260
a program that previously had failed

00:54:30.260 --> 00:54:33.990
that for a certificate category
now achieved that standard,

00:54:33.990 --> 00:54:36.740
it would break that count of years.

00:54:36.740 --> 00:54:40.200
This provides the
opportunity for EPPs to clear

00:54:40.200 --> 00:54:42.960
any prior accumulated counts of years

00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:45.930
of not meeting the standard
in the certificate category.

00:54:45.930 --> 00:54:48.990
Again, based on the data
and the actual achievement

00:54:48.990 --> 00:54:51.440
of the program and the
candidates at the program.

00:54:53.290 --> 00:54:55.010
Where this is at in rule?

00:54:55.010 --> 00:54:58.270
The rule text is contained in 229.5C,

00:54:58.270 --> 00:55:00.630
which is on page 18 of your item.

00:55:00.630 --> 00:55:03.500
In C is the clarification
that the evaluation

00:55:03.500 --> 00:55:06.630
of the test pass rate
is done at the test level.

00:55:06.630 --> 00:55:09.190
And that failure to meet
the pass rate on an exam

00:55:09.190 --> 00:55:11.540
required for certificate
for certification

00:55:11.540 --> 00:55:13.230
counts as a year where the standard

00:55:13.230 --> 00:55:15.443
is not met for the certificate category.

00:55:16.610 --> 00:55:19.480
In new 229.5 C-3,

00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:21.840
there was language that
notes that if the EPP performs

00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:23.590
at or above the
performance standard based

00:55:23.590 --> 00:55:28.190
on 2020, 2021 data
that will represent a break

00:55:28.190 --> 00:55:30.380
in the consecutively measured years

00:55:30.380 --> 00:55:32.240
if the program had
previously failed to meet

00:55:32.240 --> 00:55:34.940
the performance standard
for the certificate category.

00:55:36.730 --> 00:55:39.683
Finally, some updates
to our ASEP manual.

00:55:41.653 --> 00:55:42.486
So the green ones.

00:55:42.486 --> 00:55:43.319
Yes, Ms. Streepey.

00:55:46.540 --> 00:55:47.912
<v ->Yes, Jean.</v>

00:55:47.912 --> 00:55:48.745
<v ->Thank you.</v>

00:55:48.745 --> 00:55:50.000
Can I ask you a quick question

00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:51.653
before we switch to the next one?

00:55:53.380 --> 00:55:56.437
I was wondering is most of this created

00:55:56.437 --> 00:55:59.890
because the accreditation stays,

00:55:59.890 --> 00:56:02.470
because we have now said not rated.

00:56:02.470 --> 00:56:04.640
Is that what created this?

00:56:04.640 --> 00:56:07.720
These two pieces
that we're trying to say,

00:56:07.720 --> 00:56:10.440
okay, now you've done
a good job, so we're not...

00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:12.670
Is that what created this?

00:56:12.670 --> 00:56:14.310
<v ->Yeah, so thank you so
much for that question.</v>

00:56:14.310 --> 00:56:15.713
So the question was,

00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:18.910
was this approach this
opportunity to recognize

00:56:18.910 --> 00:56:21.910
these programs sort of
initiated due to the continuation

00:56:21.910 --> 00:56:23.990
of the not rated
declared state of disaster.

00:56:23.990 --> 00:56:25.530
And that's exactly right.

00:56:25.530 --> 00:56:28.390
So our not rated
declared state of disaster

00:56:28.390 --> 00:56:32.020
does not represent a break
and continuously counted years,

00:56:32.020 --> 00:56:33.239
right?

00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:35.800
So otherwise, we're
sort of in a holding pattern

00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.870
with relation to those counts of years.

00:56:38.870 --> 00:56:40.570
But what we're giving the board

00:56:40.570 --> 00:56:42.670
an opportunity to do here is,

00:56:42.670 --> 00:56:45.030
although all of our programs will retain

00:56:45.030 --> 00:56:47.940
that status of not rated
declared state or disaster.

00:56:47.940 --> 00:56:52.420
If a program has increased
either their performance

00:56:52.420 --> 00:56:54.460
in relation to all of the ASEP standards

00:56:54.460 --> 00:56:57.280
or on that individual
certificate category.

00:56:57.280 --> 00:56:58.640
Well, they'll still have that status

00:56:58.640 --> 00:57:00.750
of not rated declared state of disaster.

00:57:00.750 --> 00:57:03.283
It will break that count of years,

00:57:04.220 --> 00:57:08.130
so it will recognize their
improvement in that way.

00:57:08.130 --> 00:57:10.750
And then additionally,
it would give the board

00:57:10.750 --> 00:57:12.610
the opportunity for those programs

00:57:12.610 --> 00:57:14.460
that have done that improvement.

00:57:14.460 --> 00:57:16.960
Currently, they're ineligible
for commendations,

00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:18.630
if they've done this improvement work,

00:57:18.630 --> 00:57:21.200
it would make them
eligible for commendations

00:57:21.200 --> 00:57:22.860
at the next February meeting.

00:57:22.860 --> 00:57:24.555
But absolutely you're correct.

00:57:24.555 --> 00:57:26.700
(indistinct)

00:57:26.700 --> 00:57:28.700
<v ->For people that
are new to this one.</v>

00:57:28.700 --> 00:57:31.210
I had a hard time
wrapping my head around it.

00:57:31.210 --> 00:57:35.620
And so for me, it was the
people who like picked up

00:57:35.620 --> 00:57:37.180
the pace during the pandemic,

00:57:37.180 --> 00:57:40.810
didn't have a way
to get out of the hole,

00:57:40.810 --> 00:57:44.350
because we had kind of frozen
all of the accommodations.

00:57:44.350 --> 00:57:47.800
So I think it's a great way to recognize

00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:49.880
that somebody has really been moving.

00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:54.880
To me it's sort of
analogous to when a child

00:57:55.220 --> 00:57:57.650
is ineligible to play,

00:57:57.650 --> 00:57:59.920
and then they have a
few times along the way

00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:02.730
that they are can regain eligibility

00:58:02.730 --> 00:58:04.210
without losing eligibility.

00:58:04.210 --> 00:58:07.360
And it kind of picks
people up a little bit.

00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:09.453
So thank you for thinking of that.

00:58:09.453 --> 00:58:10.470
<v ->Hey, Jean, I had
a similar thought,</v>

00:58:10.470 --> 00:58:14.590
which is to summarize
a lot of what I think Mark

00:58:14.590 --> 00:58:16.350
is saying is that,

00:58:16.350 --> 00:58:19.390
you don't get dinged by
what we've been through

00:58:19.390 --> 00:58:20.223
with the COVID,

00:58:20.223 --> 00:58:22.980
but you can receive
benefit if you have improved.

00:58:22.980 --> 00:58:25.680
And I think that's the best
way to have approached it.

00:58:26.810 --> 00:58:27.853
Proceed there, Mark.

00:58:29.180 --> 00:58:30.270
<v ->Thank you.</v>

00:58:30.270 --> 00:58:33.160
Oh, no, thank you for the
comment and for the clarification.

00:58:33.160 --> 00:58:35.490
It's one of those I'm always told,

00:58:35.490 --> 00:58:36.900
if I feel like I have a question,

00:58:36.900 --> 00:58:38.370
probably somebody
else also has a question.

00:58:38.370 --> 00:58:40.303
So I appreciate you raising your hand.

00:58:41.410 --> 00:58:43.110
Finally, our last set of
updates here are updates

00:58:43.110 --> 00:58:47.480
are updates ASEP manual
to support these amendments

00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:50.023
and also to implement
recently passed legislation.

00:58:51.240 --> 00:58:54.020
So first we have updated
the pass rate procedure

00:58:54.020 --> 00:58:55.810
to further align with rule language.

00:58:55.810 --> 00:58:58.120
This starts on page 25 of the item

00:58:58.120 --> 00:58:59.890
and continues onto the next page.

00:58:59.890 --> 00:59:03.033
Here, just for clarification
from our last meeting,

00:59:04.430 --> 00:59:05.930
you'll see a section that's titled

00:59:05.930 --> 00:59:07.700
the core subjects adjustment.

00:59:07.700 --> 00:59:10.180
So this is applicable to data

00:59:10.180 --> 00:59:14.610
that was reported into our
system prior to January, 2020.

00:59:14.610 --> 00:59:18.010
And so this adjustment
adjusted the data in our databases

00:59:18.010 --> 00:59:21.520
to compensate how
data on the core subjects

00:59:21.520 --> 00:59:23.430
used to be reported.

00:59:23.430 --> 00:59:26.270
This data reporting from
our test vendor Pearson

00:59:26.270 --> 00:59:29.469
has been updated back in January, 2020,

00:59:29.469 --> 00:59:31.350
and we thank them for that.

00:59:31.350 --> 00:59:33.900
And now the calculation
is done the same way

00:59:33.900 --> 00:59:36.730
as any of our other
calculations for other exams.

00:59:36.730 --> 00:59:39.590
However, as you'll note,

00:59:39.590 --> 00:59:43.150
if we do a small group aggregation

00:59:43.150 --> 00:59:46.020
that makes you set time
if groups are small enough

00:59:46.020 --> 00:59:48.570
of the prior three years worth of data.

00:59:48.570 --> 00:59:51.690
So in the cases where there
is a small group aggregation,

00:59:51.690 --> 00:59:55.270
and we're having to go back
and use data from 2018, 19,

00:59:55.270 --> 00:59:58.780
we do keep the rule language
in here to provide transparency

00:59:58.780 --> 01:00:02.170
for the field as to how that calculation

01:00:02.170 --> 01:00:04.383
for that historic data is done.

01:00:05.420 --> 01:00:09.320
There's also new language at
the bottom of page 26 and 27

01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:11.520
to clarify the procedure
for those bilingual

01:00:11.520 --> 01:00:15.100
and STR certificate categories
that we just discussed.

01:00:15.100 --> 01:00:16.410
Throughout the manual,

01:00:16.410 --> 01:00:21.160
you'll see that 2019, 2020
is updated to 2020, 2021.

01:00:21.160 --> 01:00:22.950
And that old examples are struck through

01:00:22.950 --> 01:00:25.100
with new examples taking their place.

01:00:25.100 --> 01:00:26.780
This brings the manual up to date,

01:00:26.780 --> 01:00:28.880
provides additional clarity.

01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:31.540
Finally, this is exciting.

01:00:31.540 --> 01:00:33.710
In the legislative
session that just ended,

01:00:33.710 --> 01:00:36.340
the regular session,
not the special session.

01:00:36.340 --> 01:00:37.560
The legislature passed,

01:00:37.560 --> 01:00:40.750
and the Governor signed HB 159.

01:00:40.750 --> 01:00:43.010
Among other things, this added language

01:00:43.010 --> 01:00:47.163
to the Texas Education
Code 21.04583 and 21.045

01:00:49.050 --> 01:00:50.950
is where the accountability system

01:00:50.950 --> 01:00:52.350
is in the Education Code.

01:00:52.350 --> 01:00:53.900
For those of you keeping track.

01:00:55.040 --> 01:00:56.223
This updated A3,

01:00:58.270 --> 01:01:01.670
it added clarification that
the growth of all students

01:01:01.670 --> 01:01:05.160
including students with
disabilities should be considered

01:01:05.160 --> 01:01:08.060
when calculating the
student growth metric.

01:01:08.060 --> 01:01:13.060
Now back in 2019 and in
2020 when staff was developing

01:01:13.060 --> 01:01:15.060
the methodology for
calculating this metric

01:01:15.060 --> 01:01:17.610
and then the board
approved that methodology,

01:01:17.610 --> 01:01:20.040
we actually used student growth data

01:01:20.040 --> 01:01:22.530
that was available from the
performance reporting unit.

01:01:22.530 --> 01:01:26.350
And those data already
include the available data

01:01:26.350 --> 01:01:28.350
for students with disabilities.

01:01:28.350 --> 01:01:31.583
So the good news is
board, you already do this.

01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:35.710
So what we've done here
is we've included a sentence

01:01:35.710 --> 01:01:38.530
in the manual to specifically note

01:01:38.530 --> 01:01:41.440
that this is included in the methodology

01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:44.120
and that we are in compliance
with the requirements

01:01:44.120 --> 01:01:47.053
of HB 159 related to this indicator.

01:01:48.190 --> 01:01:50.290
So that's on page 41,

01:01:50.290 --> 01:01:52.423
we've added a sentence related to that.

01:01:53.370 --> 01:01:56.770
It provides full transparency
about the implementation

01:01:56.770 --> 01:01:57.930
of the bill.

01:01:57.930 --> 01:02:00.130
Really excited that this
was when we actually

01:02:00.130 --> 01:02:02.730
didn't have to go and
change how we did stuff.

01:02:02.730 --> 01:02:05.400
We just get to note that
we already were doing it.

01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:07.460
Finally, on page 58 of the item,

01:02:07.460 --> 01:02:10.490
we've inserted the area of
innovation for commendation

01:02:10.490 --> 01:02:12.360
that was approved by
the board's committee

01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:14.340
on educator preparation commendations

01:02:14.340 --> 01:02:15.950
back at their meeting in April.

01:02:15.950 --> 01:02:19.140
So we've struck out the
old commendation area

01:02:19.140 --> 01:02:22.040
and inserted the new approved
language from the committee.

01:02:24.830 --> 01:02:29.763
That constitutes the
updates that we have there.

01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:33.623
<v ->Yeah, all right.</v>

01:02:34.740 --> 01:02:36.910
I have just a comment myself.

01:02:36.910 --> 01:02:38.990
Well, no, let's do
public testimony first.

01:02:38.990 --> 01:02:40.760
We do not have anybody signed up for it.

01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:42.050
Okay?

01:02:42.050 --> 01:02:45.240
Just to comment by myself,

01:02:45.240 --> 01:02:48.810
to both new and veteran board members,

01:02:48.810 --> 01:02:50.360
the package you received
prior to the meetings

01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:52.860
can be a little daunting
and overwhelming to read.

01:02:54.210 --> 01:02:56.870
But one thing that helped
me on this particular meeting

01:02:56.870 --> 01:02:59.190
was this manual.

01:02:59.190 --> 01:03:02.290
If you haven't had a
chance to look at it in depth,

01:03:02.290 --> 01:03:05.410
I would spend some time
understanding the manual

01:03:05.410 --> 01:03:08.860
that essentially I think is
a lot of that is Mark's work.

01:03:08.860 --> 01:03:10.780
It takes awhile, and you
have to work through it,

01:03:10.780 --> 01:03:13.080
in a couple of sections
mathematically in your mind,

01:03:13.080 --> 01:03:15.120
and it gives examples
and charts to help you,

01:03:15.120 --> 01:03:18.637
but it really shows you
what we're expecting of EPPs

01:03:20.190 --> 01:03:25.060
and how they can maintain
or improve their status

01:03:25.060 --> 01:03:26.000
as time goes on.

01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:28.000
So it's well worth your time is my point

01:03:29.010 --> 01:03:30.223
to take a look at that.

01:03:33.250 --> 01:03:37.731
Are there any other discussion
or comments at this point?

01:03:37.731 --> 01:03:38.564
Yes.

01:03:38.564 --> 01:03:40.613
Dr. Rodriguez.

01:03:40.613 --> 01:03:42.000
<v ->Thank you, Dr. Kelly.</v>

01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:45.270
Dr. Olofson, I want to
echo Mr. Streepey gratitude

01:03:45.270 --> 01:03:48.930
for allowing EPPs that
have gone the extra mile

01:03:48.930 --> 01:03:52.230
and improved their performance

01:03:52.230 --> 01:03:54.520
during such challenging times,

01:03:54.520 --> 01:03:58.750
as busier has been
to begin the opportunity

01:03:58.750 --> 01:04:03.750
to get a restart on the
consecutive count of years.

01:04:04.330 --> 01:04:07.630
And I'd like to check my understanding.

01:04:07.630 --> 01:04:12.630
So if an EPP, for
instance, in the case of,

01:04:12.870 --> 01:04:17.870
let's say the particular test
did not improve performance

01:04:19.130 --> 01:04:24.130
in the 2020, 2021 year
would have been the third year,

01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:29.360
given the if the not rated
delared state of disaster

01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:35.380
gets approved, then
the following year.

01:04:35.380 --> 01:04:37.950
I mean, that does not
constitute a break for them.

01:04:37.950 --> 01:04:38.797
Is that correct?

01:04:38.797 --> 01:04:42.350
And in the next year they
would be on year three again,

01:04:42.350 --> 01:04:44.140
or whatever it would be.

01:04:44.140 --> 01:04:46.630
<v ->Thank you for that
quick question Rodriguez.</v>

01:04:46.630 --> 01:04:51.540
Yes, so this similar for the ASEP status

01:04:51.540 --> 01:04:53.770
for the certificate categories this year

01:04:53.770 --> 01:04:55.620
would represent a pause, right?

01:04:55.620 --> 01:04:57.230
A hold harmless year.

01:04:57.230 --> 01:05:01.440
So if a program previously had failed

01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:03.453
the certificate category in year one,

01:05:06.240 --> 01:05:08.300
and then we've been on a pause,

01:05:08.300 --> 01:05:11.530
if they did not improve their pass rate

01:05:12.650 --> 01:05:14.500
against the metric for this year,

01:05:14.500 --> 01:05:17.200
they would still be on that year one,

01:05:17.200 --> 01:05:18.810
and then next year would be year two

01:05:18.810 --> 01:05:20.780
when we go back live.

01:05:20.780 --> 01:05:24.340
If they have improved,
then they've reset,

01:05:24.340 --> 01:05:26.150
they meet the standard, we'd reset,

01:05:26.150 --> 01:05:27.780
they're back to years zero.

01:05:27.780 --> 01:05:30.130
They don't have any
consecutive council years.

01:05:30.130 --> 01:05:33.520
So absolutely just like for the status

01:05:33.520 --> 01:05:35.500
for the certificate category,

01:05:35.500 --> 01:05:37.610
this continues to represent a pause.

01:05:37.610 --> 01:05:39.790
And it's really, as Dr. Kelly noted,

01:05:39.790 --> 01:05:41.420
it's an opportunity for programs

01:05:41.420 --> 01:05:44.780
that have improved
for us to recognize them

01:05:44.780 --> 01:05:46.520
in a meaningful way.

01:05:46.520 --> 01:05:50.370
And then for those that sort
of have continued to function,

01:05:50.370 --> 01:05:52.300
maybe impacted by the pandemic,

01:05:52.300 --> 01:05:55.050
we'll pick back up when
everything's actionable again

01:05:55.050 --> 01:05:56.590
and evaluate the data.

01:05:56.590 --> 01:05:58.200
<v ->Thank you, Dr. Olofson.</v>

01:05:58.200 --> 01:05:59.470
Dr. Kelly, if you allow me

01:05:59.470 --> 01:06:01.533
I have a couple of other questions.

01:06:02.530 --> 01:06:07.530
So Dr. Olofson, I'd
like to refer to page 25.

01:06:07.710 --> 01:06:11.150
This is in the manual.

01:06:11.150 --> 01:06:16.150
So there is proposed language
to change the assessments

01:06:16.210 --> 01:06:18.910
that are included in ASEP.

01:06:18.910 --> 01:06:23.520
And I'd like to confirm,
again, my understanding

01:06:23.520 --> 01:06:26.073
that we are moving to basically now,

01:06:28.565 --> 01:06:33.040
if the EPP approves the
candidate to test, the test count,

01:06:33.040 --> 01:06:37.997
regardless of what certification

01:06:40.080 --> 01:06:43.160
the candidate may be pursuing.

01:06:43.160 --> 01:06:45.070
Is that correct?

01:06:45.070 --> 01:06:46.390
<v ->So that is correct.</v>

01:06:46.390 --> 01:06:49.330
This is reflective of rule text.

01:06:49.330 --> 01:06:53.853
So this board previously
had housed that in 229.4 A1B

01:06:57.170 --> 01:07:01.120
had previously switched
that rule language.

01:07:01.120 --> 01:07:03.810
And so what we're
doing here in the manual

01:07:03.810 --> 01:07:06.140
is that we are clarifying and aligning

01:07:06.140 --> 01:07:07.463
with the rule language.

01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:14.473
<v ->On page 25.</v>

01:07:15.630 --> 01:07:20.630
I'd like to ask a question
regarding the change

01:07:20.630 --> 01:07:23.980
from desegregation at the test level

01:07:23.980 --> 01:07:26.880
to desegregation at
the certification class

01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:27.893
or category level.

01:07:28.870 --> 01:07:33.870
So let's take a hypothetical
scenario in which an EPP offers

01:07:38.140 --> 01:07:43.140
the EC-3 certification or
recommends candidates

01:07:43.337 --> 01:07:48.337
for EC-3 certification as
well as EC-6 certification

01:07:49.600 --> 01:07:51.630
with Science of Teaching Reading,

01:07:51.630 --> 01:07:55.380
as well as a 4-8 certification

01:07:55.380 --> 01:07:57.690
with Science of Teaching Reading.

01:07:57.690 --> 01:08:02.690
So STR pass rates are
now part of those three

01:08:07.700 --> 01:08:11.460
certification areas, right?

01:08:11.460 --> 01:08:16.460
And so how is the
calculation going to work?

01:08:17.780 --> 01:08:22.780
For instance, if the EC-3
candidates do well on STR

01:08:25.730 --> 01:08:29.430
and still do the 4-8 candidates,

01:08:29.430 --> 01:08:34.430
but let's say the candidates in the EC-6

01:08:34.890 --> 01:08:38.170
start pursuing EC-6 certification,

01:08:38.170 --> 01:08:41.363
do not meet standard in STR.

01:08:42.320 --> 01:08:47.320
Does the EPP lose
the or gets like your one

01:08:51.610 --> 01:08:56.610
on all three that
categories that include STR

01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:02.360
or just the EC-6 and which candidates

01:09:02.360 --> 01:09:03.783
did not meet the standard?

01:09:04.790 --> 01:09:06.600
<v ->Thank you for that
clarifying question.</v>

01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:09.518
So (clears throat)
because this was something

01:09:09.518 --> 01:09:12.340
that came up from this
board and from stakeholders

01:09:12.340 --> 01:09:14.170
that it should be the performance of,

01:09:14.170 --> 01:09:17.290
you know, those candidates
that are in there related

01:09:17.290 --> 01:09:19.970
to the certificate category.

01:09:19.970 --> 01:09:22.600
So in the example
that you laid out where

01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:26.610
candidates in the EC-3
have passed the STR,

01:09:26.610 --> 01:09:29.500
candidates in the 4-8
have passed the STR,

01:09:29.500 --> 01:09:30.850
but candidates in the EC-6,

01:09:33.210 --> 01:09:36.150
that STR pass rate
is below the standard.

01:09:36.150 --> 01:09:39.990
It would only be the
EC-6 certificate category

01:09:39.990 --> 01:09:42.560
that would be identified
as failing for the year.

01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:44.850
It would not be the other categories.

01:09:44.850 --> 01:09:45.940
<v ->Thank you.</v>

01:09:45.940 --> 01:09:47.523
Thank you for the clarification.

01:09:49.430 --> 01:09:50.263
<v ->All right.</v>

01:09:50.263 --> 01:09:51.563
Yes, Dr. Galvan.

01:09:52.740 --> 01:09:55.270
So I'm gonna ask,
'cause she asked that.

01:09:55.270 --> 01:09:56.610
Thank you.

01:09:56.610 --> 01:09:57.760
She asked some of the questions I had.

01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:02.760
So what happens if a university
or an alternative program,

01:10:04.590 --> 01:10:06.173
when you look at the data,

01:10:07.340 --> 01:10:10.820
if you're going from
performance to certification,

01:10:10.820 --> 01:10:15.033
then if they do not do
well, I'll take her examples.

01:10:15.033 --> 01:10:20.033
EC-3 it affects the entire certificate,

01:10:20.570 --> 01:10:22.700
but only that certificate.

01:10:22.700 --> 01:10:24.140
Is that correct?

01:10:24.140 --> 01:10:25.986
Yes, that was my understanding.

01:10:25.986 --> 01:10:26.819
<v ->That's correct.</v>

01:10:26.819 --> 01:10:28.485
Yes <v ->That was
my understanding.</v>

01:10:28.485 --> 01:10:30.427
What happens because
you've got the multiple

01:10:30.427 --> 01:10:34.200
and you did a wonderful job on page 26

01:10:34.200 --> 01:10:36.640
about the multiple categories.

01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:39.990
So because we do have bilingual and ESL,

01:10:39.990 --> 01:10:40.972
is that included?

01:10:40.972 --> 01:10:45.972
So now I'm gonna go back to
Dr. Rodriguez wonderful example.

01:10:47.060 --> 01:10:51.780
I have an EC-6 candidate,
they do well on EC-6.

01:10:51.780 --> 01:10:56.780
They pass their core content
within the first two attempts

01:10:57.280 --> 01:10:58.610
for the program.

01:10:58.610 --> 01:11:01.700
They earn a passing score on STR,

01:11:01.700 --> 01:11:05.120
but they struggle with
one of the bilinguals.

01:11:06.721 --> 01:11:08.546
Either BTLTP bilingual,

01:11:08.546 --> 01:11:11.553
is that a category because
that's their certificate?

01:11:13.944 --> 01:11:14.777
<v ->Thank you for that question.</v>

01:11:14.777 --> 01:11:16.470
So I think to clarify,

01:11:16.470 --> 01:11:18.100
the question is related to candidates

01:11:18.100 --> 01:11:20.110
who perhaps are seeking
multiple certificates

01:11:20.110 --> 01:11:21.054
at the same time.

01:11:21.054 --> 01:11:21.887
<v ->Correct.</v>

01:11:21.887 --> 01:11:22.720
<v ->Is that correct?</v>

01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:23.553
Great.

01:11:23.553 --> 01:11:25.219
So the example
here, I'm a candidate,

01:11:25.219 --> 01:11:28.210
I'm pursuing core
subjects, EC-6 with STR

01:11:28.210 --> 01:11:30.882
and I'm also pursuing
my bilingual supplemental.

01:11:30.882 --> 01:11:31.715
<v Ms. Galvan>Correct.</v>

01:11:31.715 --> 01:11:33.053
<v ->Which is a great certification.</v>

01:11:33.053 --> 01:11:33.886
<v Ms. Galvan>Correct.</v>

01:11:33.886 --> 01:11:34.719
<v ->You will get a job.</v>

01:11:34.719 --> 01:11:35.552
(laughs)

01:11:35.552 --> 01:11:36.385
<v Ms. Galvan>I'll get a job.</v>

01:11:38.910 --> 01:11:41.310
<v ->So their performance
on the exams</v>

01:11:41.310 --> 01:11:43.877
that are required for
the core subjects EC-6

01:11:44.962 --> 01:11:49.880
will be counted in the pass
rate for the core subjects EC-6.

01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:50.713
Right?

01:11:50.713 --> 01:11:53.330
So that would be the 291 or 391,

01:11:53.330 --> 01:11:56.100
and the STR for those candidates.

01:11:56.100 --> 01:12:00.150
So the exams that are
required for that certificate,

01:12:00.150 --> 01:12:02.930
their performance on
the bilingual supplemental

01:12:02.930 --> 01:12:06.210
and the BTLTP, if
it's bilingual Spanish,

01:12:06.210 --> 01:12:08.190
would go towards the pass rate

01:12:08.190 --> 01:12:10.743
for the Bilingual
Supplemental Certificate.

01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:14.700
<v ->So they're two
separate entities,</v>

01:12:14.700 --> 01:12:17.530
because one is a certificate.

01:12:17.530 --> 01:12:20.073
It's core subjects EC-6 with STR,

01:12:21.570 --> 01:12:24.600
but bilingual or ESL is a supplemental

01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:26.490
that attaches to the certificate?

01:12:26.490 --> 01:12:29.450
So those are two categories.

01:12:29.450 --> 01:12:30.420
<v ->The reason why it's different</v>

01:12:30.420 --> 01:12:32.680
is because it's a separate certificate.

01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:34.490
So we would do this same thing

01:12:34.490 --> 01:12:37.290
if someone was pursuing simultaneously,

01:12:37.290 --> 01:12:41.550
let's say Chemistry 7-12,
and Biology 7-12, right?

01:12:41.550 --> 01:12:44.850
They have two different
exams that they would take.

01:12:44.850 --> 01:12:48.610
And the result for their
Chemistry 7-12 tests

01:12:48.610 --> 01:12:51.150
would count towards the
Chemistry 7-12 pass rate.

01:12:51.150 --> 01:12:53.340
And the result for the Biology 7-12

01:12:53.340 --> 01:12:55.600
would count for the Biology pass rate.

01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:58.230
So it's because the
bilingual supplemental

01:12:58.230 --> 01:13:01.870
is a different certificate
from the core subjects EC-6

01:13:01.870 --> 01:13:05.360
that we would use the
pass rate on the exams

01:13:05.360 --> 01:13:07.530
that were required for
the bilingual supplemental

01:13:07.530 --> 01:13:10.190
in the evaluation for the
bilingual supplemental

01:13:10.190 --> 01:13:11.510
and the pass rate for the exams

01:13:11.510 --> 01:13:13.730
that are required for the core subjects

01:13:13.730 --> 01:13:16.110
in the evaluation of the core subjects.

01:13:16.110 --> 01:13:16.943
<v ->Thank you.</v>

01:13:16.943 --> 01:13:21.167
Because the challenge
is gonna be ELAR 7-12,

01:13:23.180 --> 01:13:26.893
because they're required to have ESL.

01:13:28.460 --> 01:13:32.080
So that's going to mean
that it's possible for a program

01:13:32.080 --> 01:13:34.890
to do well with ELAR 7-12,

01:13:34.890 --> 01:13:37.340
because they don't need STR,

01:13:37.340 --> 01:13:40.300
but yet districts require ESL.

01:13:40.300 --> 01:13:44.170
And so it's possible that
they pass the ELAR 7-12,

01:13:44.170 --> 01:13:47.770
but they struggle
with ESL or vice versa.

01:13:47.770 --> 01:13:51.690
<v ->And so similarly, we
would evaluate the pass rate</v>

01:13:51.690 --> 01:13:56.690
for the ELAR 7-12 towards
the pass rate for ELAR 7-12,

01:13:59.980 --> 01:14:03.030
and the pass rate for ESL
towards the ESL certificate.

01:14:03.030 --> 01:14:04.990
<v ->So it's two different
categories as well,</v>

01:14:04.990 --> 01:14:06.566
just like the board.

01:14:06.566 --> 01:14:07.399
<v ->Exactly.</v>

01:14:07.399 --> 01:14:08.399
<v ->Thank you.</v>

01:14:10.349 --> 01:14:12.270
<v ->All right, any other questions?</v>

01:14:12.270 --> 01:14:13.260
Comments?

01:14:13.260 --> 01:14:15.200
Yes, Superintendent Kim.

01:14:15.200 --> 01:14:17.638
<v ->So Mark, thank you.</v>

01:14:17.638 --> 01:14:18.471
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

01:14:18.471 --> 01:14:21.550
I'm just wondering about
future language in regards

01:14:21.550 --> 01:14:23.100
to let's just say the COVID restrictions

01:14:23.100 --> 01:14:25.150
that are on here for recognition.

01:14:25.150 --> 01:14:28.970
The language suffices
to protect future years,

01:14:28.970 --> 01:14:31.980
just in case another COVID situation,

01:14:31.980 --> 01:14:35.180
perhaps larks out there in some sense

01:14:35.180 --> 01:14:37.420
or does that new language
that needs to be adopted

01:14:37.420 --> 01:14:39.010
down the road?

01:14:39.010 --> 01:14:43.110
<v ->So the question was
related to our continuing ability</v>

01:14:45.280 --> 01:14:50.280
to compensate for pandemic
related data disruptions.

01:14:51.500 --> 01:14:55.180
So the approach that this
board has taken previously

01:14:55.180 --> 01:15:00.180
is that for the accountability statuses,

01:15:00.830 --> 01:15:04.510
we actually have the
timeline for the board

01:15:04.510 --> 01:15:07.150
to see what happens
over the course of the year

01:15:07.150 --> 01:15:09.060
before making that decision.

01:15:09.060 --> 01:15:11.920
So what you're seeing
here today is applicable

01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:14.200
to 2020, 2021.

01:15:14.200 --> 01:15:16.860
We have the data, we
know what's happened?

01:15:16.860 --> 01:15:19.200
We've been able to
hear from stakeholders,

01:15:19.200 --> 01:15:21.080
board members have
been able to see the situation

01:15:21.080 --> 01:15:21.913
on the ground,

01:15:21.913 --> 01:15:24.160
and we're now able to
make a fully informed decision

01:15:24.160 --> 01:15:25.920
about what's the proper
way to move forward

01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:28.760
with the accreditation statuses
for preparation programs

01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:30.173
based on the prior year.

01:15:32.110 --> 01:15:33.490
Staff has taken the approach

01:15:33.490 --> 01:15:36.480
that we will then come back

01:15:36.480 --> 01:15:40.030
after the 2021, 2022 academic year,

01:15:40.030 --> 01:15:42.290
and get to have this same conversation.

01:15:42.290 --> 01:15:44.350
Again, fully informed by the data,

01:15:44.350 --> 01:15:47.060
rather than prognosticating
about what may or may not happen

01:15:47.060 --> 01:15:50.100
and providing y'all with
kind of that full space

01:15:50.100 --> 01:15:53.040
to make the decisions based on the data

01:15:53.040 --> 01:15:54.250
that have come in and the situation

01:15:54.250 --> 01:15:55.650
that we've been able to see.

01:15:56.570 --> 01:15:58.840
<v ->You know, Mark my
remembrance of this past year</v>

01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:00.910
which where we went
through all these things

01:16:00.910 --> 01:16:05.450
that Superintendent Kim
worries about for the future.

01:16:05.450 --> 01:16:08.540
My remembrance is, the Governor
may make a pronouncement

01:16:08.540 --> 01:16:11.630
then that sort of trickles
down to the Commissioner.

01:16:11.630 --> 01:16:13.030
Sometimes the legislative body

01:16:13.030 --> 01:16:16.480
even when they're not in
session are sort of weighing in,

01:16:16.480 --> 01:16:18.210
in some way to show intent

01:16:18.210 --> 01:16:23.210
and then it ends up on SBEC's
responsibility at some point,

01:16:23.420 --> 01:16:26.070
but it all is actionable during the year

01:16:26.070 --> 01:16:27.010
as we need to do it.

01:16:27.010 --> 01:16:30.163
At least that's my
remembrance from this past year.

01:16:31.530 --> 01:16:34.290
All right, any other comments?

01:16:34.290 --> 01:16:35.453
<v ->Yes, Dr. Lofters.</v>

01:16:37.020 --> 01:16:38.990
<v ->Thank you, Dr. Kelly.</v>

01:16:38.990 --> 01:16:40.770
Dr. Olofson, thank you for the report.

01:16:40.770 --> 01:16:43.714
But I have, this should
be easy question for you.

01:16:43.714 --> 01:16:44.660
(laughs)

01:16:44.660 --> 01:16:46.830
On page 35.

01:16:46.830 --> 01:16:48.540
So when you look at the,

01:16:48.540 --> 01:16:50.440
you're showing me the chart that shows

01:16:51.290 --> 01:16:53.290
which tests are passed
and which were failing,

01:16:53.290 --> 01:16:54.190
which are counted.

01:16:55.070 --> 01:16:56.663
Then you get to this guy Todd.

01:16:57.660 --> 01:17:01.100
And you say, Todd doesn't
count because his certificate

01:17:01.100 --> 01:17:02.373
wasn't different.

01:17:03.440 --> 01:17:06.150
Yes, wasn't pursuing
a different category.

01:17:06.150 --> 01:17:08.069
I just didn't understand that.

01:17:08.069 --> 01:17:11.370
I figured that you could
just enlighten me on that one.

01:17:11.370 --> 01:17:13.140
<v ->Thank you so much for
the question Dr. Robert.</v>

01:17:13.140 --> 01:17:16.223
So yeah, we are on page 35
in one of our new examples.

01:17:17.583 --> 01:17:20.350
So the example here is demonstrating

01:17:20.350 --> 01:17:22.030
how we would calculate the pass rate

01:17:22.030 --> 01:17:24.310
for the certificate
category of course subjects

01:17:24.310 --> 01:17:26.100
with STR EC-6.

01:17:26.100 --> 01:17:27.710
And so this is actually
some of the point

01:17:27.710 --> 01:17:30.080
that we've gotten to
make a few times here.

01:17:30.080 --> 01:17:35.080
So Todd you'll notice is
not pursuing core subjects

01:17:35.330 --> 01:17:36.910
with STR EC-6,

01:17:36.910 --> 01:17:39.680
rather he's pursuing
Early Childhood EC-3.

01:17:40.660 --> 01:17:45.660
So his performance on the 293 STR exam

01:17:45.690 --> 01:17:50.050
would not count for the
evaluation of the STR

01:17:50.050 --> 01:17:53.170
four core subjects with STR EC-6,

01:17:53.170 --> 01:17:54.970
because that's not what he's pursuing.

01:17:54.970 --> 01:17:57.730
So that example, there is
demonstrative of this piece

01:17:57.730 --> 01:17:59.860
that we've been talking
about only those candidates

01:17:59.860 --> 01:18:02.600
that we can identify as
pursuing the certificate category.

01:18:02.600 --> 01:18:05.910
It's only their results that
we're using in the calculation

01:18:05.910 --> 01:18:07.453
for that certificate category.

01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:09.863
<v Dr. Robert>Thank you.</v>

01:18:09.863 --> 01:18:11.030
Appreciate it.

01:18:14.690 --> 01:18:16.663
<v ->All right, any other comments?</v>

01:18:18.150 --> 01:18:19.280
This has been a good discussion

01:18:19.280 --> 01:18:23.460
because we've heard basically
from the two major pillars,

01:18:23.460 --> 01:18:27.770
the university prep programs
and the alternative programs

01:18:27.770 --> 01:18:29.853
with similar questions,
similar concerns.

01:18:31.460 --> 01:18:36.400
All right, I see, you know,
in my school district again,

01:18:36.400 --> 01:18:38.320
referring is they put it on a PowerPoint

01:18:38.320 --> 01:18:40.450
so that I know what
I'm supposed to do next.

01:18:40.450 --> 01:18:42.070
I'm like that guy in the comedy movie

01:18:42.070 --> 01:18:43.620
that if whatever is on the screen,

01:18:43.620 --> 01:18:46.033
I will read no matter
how terrible it is.

01:18:46.033 --> 01:18:46.866
(laughs)

01:18:46.866 --> 01:18:48.970
So fortunately my
eyes can't see that well

01:18:49.850 --> 01:18:50.683
right in front of me,

01:18:50.683 --> 01:18:55.453
but I do have a motion
here for the Chapter 229

01:18:56.530 --> 01:18:59.360
and would entertain
that from any of y'all.

01:18:59.360 --> 01:19:00.373
Any voting member?

01:19:02.910 --> 01:19:05.090
Okay, Superintendent Kim would you?

01:19:05.090 --> 01:19:08.001
<v ->Sure I approve the
proposed amendment</v>

01:19:08.001 --> 01:19:10.439
to 19 TAC Chapter 229,

01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:13.100
accountability system for
Educator Preparation Programs

01:19:13.100 --> 01:19:16.040
to be published as proposed
in the Texas register.

01:19:16.040 --> 01:19:17.395
<v ->Right.</v>

01:19:17.395 --> 01:19:19.061
Thank you, Superintendent
Kim Do I have a second?

01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:22.663
Yes, I have a second from Tommy Coleman.

01:19:24.400 --> 01:19:26.020
Is there any other further discussion

01:19:26.020 --> 01:19:27.220
before we take the vote?

01:19:29.580 --> 01:19:31.430
All right, those in favor of the motion

01:19:31.430 --> 01:19:34.610
would you so signify by
raising your right hand.

01:19:34.610 --> 01:19:36.563
Those opposed same sign.

01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:39.393
Motion carries unanimously.

01:19:40.427 --> 01:19:41.720
<v ->Thank you.</v>

01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:44.000
<v ->Thank you, Mark for
all your work on this.</v>

01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:46.070
I've watched that over the
two years I've been here,

01:19:46.070 --> 01:19:47.850
it's pretty incredible.

01:19:47.850 --> 01:19:49.810
And how he's incorporated mathematically

01:19:49.810 --> 01:19:52.140
all the different concepts
that people have given him

01:19:52.140 --> 01:19:53.690
has been a major task.

01:19:53.690 --> 01:19:55.023
Much appreciated, Mark.

01:19:56.110 --> 01:19:58.320
All right, now the person
that's really in charge

01:19:58.320 --> 01:19:59.840
of this entire meeting, Cameron

01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:02.380
has told me that we're
going to have a break now

01:20:02.380 --> 01:20:05.190
for five minutes because
we have a little business

01:20:05.190 --> 01:20:06.730
to conduct internally.

01:20:06.730 --> 01:20:11.730
So it is now 9:57 by my watch.

01:20:12.900 --> 01:20:16.294
And we'll break for five minutes.

01:20:16.294 --> 01:20:18.961
(gavel banging)

01:20:22.230 --> 01:20:25.470
We have an item here
for approval of an EPP,

01:20:25.470 --> 01:20:26.690
but before we get there,

01:20:26.690 --> 01:20:29.310
we have one recusal and Dr. Bob,

01:20:29.310 --> 01:20:34.310
I think you're ready to make
that motion if you would.

01:20:38.813 --> 01:20:40.531
(indistinct)

01:20:40.531 --> 01:20:42.798
<v Participant>It's over here too.</v>

01:20:42.798 --> 01:20:45.215
(indistinct)

01:20:49.430 --> 01:20:50.263
<v ->Dr. Bob.</v>

01:20:51.850 --> 01:20:52.683
<v ->There you go.</v>

01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:55.123
<v ->Thank you.</v>

01:20:55.123 --> 01:20:55.956
Did you hear that or do
you need me to say it again?

01:20:55.956 --> 01:20:57.690
<v ->Would you repeat
that again, sir?</v>

01:20:57.690 --> 01:20:58.740
<v ->Okay, (indistinct).</v>

01:21:00.280 --> 01:21:03.250
I hereby recuse
myself from participating

01:21:03.250 --> 01:21:05.740
in deliberation and voting.

01:21:05.740 --> 01:21:06.573
<v ->All right.</v>

01:21:08.940 --> 01:21:11.180
Okay, we're on to item number 10.

01:21:11.180 --> 01:21:13.100
Jessica, you're gonna
handle it from here.

01:21:13.100 --> 01:21:14.300
Okay.

01:21:14.300 --> 01:21:15.640
<v ->Hi.</v>

01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:16.980
Well, thank you, Chairman Kelly.

01:21:16.980 --> 01:21:19.850
Board, we're excited to
bring you item 10 today,

01:21:19.850 --> 01:21:21.980
which is the Odessa Pathway to Teaching

01:21:21.980 --> 01:21:24.023
Educator Preparation Program approval.

01:21:27.650 --> 01:21:28.760
And with this item board,

01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:31.210
you have the opportunity
to approve a request

01:21:31.210 --> 01:21:33.200
by Odessa Pathway to Teaching,

01:21:33.200 --> 01:21:36.920
to be approved as a teacher
Educator Preparation Program

01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:39.500
through the alternative
certification route.

01:21:39.500 --> 01:21:41.610
Odessa Pathway to Teaching is associated

01:21:41.610 --> 01:21:43.540
with Ector County ISD.

01:21:43.540 --> 01:21:46.350
And the program has
stated that their intent

01:21:46.350 --> 01:21:48.630
is to really address
the significant demand

01:21:48.630 --> 01:21:51.850
for teachers annually
within Ector County ISD

01:21:51.850 --> 01:21:54.740
with the implementation
of this alternative

01:21:54.740 --> 01:21:57.583
certification program,
Odessa Oathway to Teaching.

01:21:58.490 --> 01:22:02.640
Odessa Pathway to Teaching
submitted a new EPP application

01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:04.980
to the TEA for review.

01:22:04.980 --> 01:22:08.060
I will name that our new
EPP application process

01:22:08.060 --> 01:22:10.520
is what I would call robust,

01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:13.970
because we require prospective
programs to demonstrate

01:22:13.970 --> 01:22:18.430
programmatic alignment with
nine components of your rules,

01:22:18.430 --> 01:22:21.880
and we've summarized those
components and their implications

01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:24.513
on pages one through two of the item.

01:22:25.700 --> 01:22:28.770
Odessa Pathway to Teachings
application was reviewed

01:22:28.770 --> 01:22:32.980
by TEA staff and we engaged
in significant conversation

01:22:32.980 --> 01:22:36.780
and discussion to ensure that
Odessa Pathway to Teaching

01:22:36.780 --> 01:22:40.440
would be in compliance
with SBEC rules in their plan.

01:22:40.440 --> 01:22:42.910
And we've included an executive summary,

01:22:42.910 --> 01:22:46.280
which is found in attachment
two on pages five through seven

01:22:46.280 --> 01:22:47.113
of the item.

01:22:47.113 --> 01:22:50.570
It really outlines Odessa
Pathways to Teaching's plan

01:22:50.570 --> 01:22:53.400
again, in alignment with
those nine components

01:22:53.400 --> 01:22:54.573
of your rules.

01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:58.780
After that thorough
review of their application,

01:22:58.780 --> 01:23:02.430
TEA staff also conducted
an aspect required

01:23:02.430 --> 01:23:05.420
pre-approval virtual site visit

01:23:05.420 --> 01:23:10.420
and to ensure that the program
had the necessary resources,

01:23:11.040 --> 01:23:12.660
facilities, et cetera,

01:23:12.660 --> 01:23:15.830
in order to effectively
execute upon their plan.

01:23:15.830 --> 01:23:20.460
And the findings from
that virtual visit did indicate

01:23:20.460 --> 01:23:23.260
that Odessa Pathway to
Teaching was in compliance

01:23:23.260 --> 01:23:25.210
with the provisions
that govern the approval

01:23:25.210 --> 01:23:27.053
of Educator Preparation Programs.

01:23:29.590 --> 01:23:32.320
The program is applying to offer five

01:23:32.320 --> 01:23:34.310
certification categories,

01:23:34.310 --> 01:23:38.340
including core subjects
with STR EC-6 and 4-8,

01:23:38.340 --> 01:23:41.150
Mathematics 7- 12, Science 7-12,

01:23:41.150 --> 01:23:43.730
and English Language
Arts and Reading 7-12.

01:23:43.730 --> 01:23:47.990
And they anticipate starting
pending your approval

01:23:47.990 --> 01:23:50.100
September 1st of this year,

01:23:50.100 --> 01:23:52.990
with the intention of recruiting
and enrolling candidates

01:23:52.990 --> 01:23:56.260
this fall and beginning
preparation coursework

01:23:56.260 --> 01:23:57.853
this upcoming spring.

01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:00.840
I'll note that they do
anticipate producing

01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:03.640
about 50 to 60 educators annually,

01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:06.000
but do anticipate producing
potentially up to 85

01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:07.350
in this first year.

01:24:07.350 --> 01:24:11.460
And they plan to charge
a little less than $4,000

01:24:11.460 --> 01:24:14.290
per candidate
participating in the program.

01:24:14.290 --> 01:24:16.790
I am excited to share
though that I've provided

01:24:17.967 --> 01:24:20.610
an overview for you
of their application,

01:24:20.610 --> 01:24:23.790
but we do have the Ector
County ISD team here

01:24:23.790 --> 01:24:26.320
who will be happy to
answer any of your questions

01:24:26.320 --> 01:24:27.153
that you may have.

01:24:27.153 --> 01:24:29.453
So I will step aside and
invite them to come up.

01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:36.833
<v ->All right.</v>

01:24:36.833 --> 01:24:37.900
Good morning.

01:24:37.900 --> 01:24:39.680
Chairman Kelly, thank you for having us.

01:24:39.680 --> 01:24:41.350
My name is Ashley Osborne

01:24:41.350 --> 01:24:43.060
and I serve as the Executive Director

01:24:43.060 --> 01:24:45.750
of Talent Development
for Ector County ISD.

01:24:45.750 --> 01:24:49.360
And I'm also one of the
people that wrote the application

01:24:49.360 --> 01:24:51.090
is robust. (laughs)

01:24:51.090 --> 01:24:54.710
I can attest to that
and I'd like to move over

01:24:54.710 --> 01:24:56.800
so my colleague can
introduce themselves.

01:24:56.800 --> 01:24:57.633
<v ->Good morning.</v>

01:24:57.633 --> 01:24:58.466
My name is Debbie Bynum

01:24:58.466 --> 01:25:00.660
and I served as a Director in
the Talent Development Program

01:25:00.660 --> 01:25:02.110
for Ector County ISD,

01:25:02.110 --> 01:25:06.060
but also serve as the Director
of Odessa Pathway to Teaching

01:25:06.060 --> 01:25:07.820
pending your approval this morning.

01:25:07.820 --> 01:25:08.653
Thank you.

01:25:10.030 --> 01:25:10.863
<v ->And I am Scott Muri,</v>

01:25:10.863 --> 01:25:12.987
the superintendent of Ector County ISD

01:25:12.987 --> 01:25:14.460
and I'm also the chauffer,

01:25:14.460 --> 01:25:16.710
so the experts are behind me

01:25:16.710 --> 01:25:18.580
and these two ladies and their team

01:25:18.580 --> 01:25:22.630
have done a remarkable
work over multiple years

01:25:22.630 --> 01:25:23.850
to bring this to fruition.

01:25:23.850 --> 01:25:26.060
So it is an honor to be
here before you today.

01:25:26.060 --> 01:25:26.893
Thank you.

01:25:28.250 --> 01:25:30.020
We are happy to answer any questions.

01:25:30.020 --> 01:25:33.423
They are happy to answer
any questions that you have.

01:25:34.874 --> 01:25:35.707
<v ->Mr. Chair.</v>

01:25:37.984 --> 01:25:39.040
<v ->Yes, Superintendent Kim.</v>

01:25:39.040 --> 01:25:41.250
<v ->So we appreciate
you for being here today.</v>

01:25:41.250 --> 01:25:44.350
So thank you for making
the trip out to this way.

01:25:44.350 --> 01:25:46.220
And I think Ms. Mason
and I were talking about

01:25:46.220 --> 01:25:48.090
we're both graduates of the
Dallas Independent School

01:25:48.090 --> 01:25:49.550
District Alternative
Certification Program.

01:25:49.550 --> 01:25:51.440
So very familiar with that process.

01:25:51.440 --> 01:25:53.050
And I was certainly encouraged that.

01:25:53.050 --> 01:25:54.730
I'm wondering though,

01:25:54.730 --> 01:25:58.210
the incentive to perhaps
keep the employee

01:25:58.210 --> 01:25:59.440
within your school district.

01:25:59.440 --> 01:26:00.890
Is there an incentivized way?

01:26:02.030 --> 01:26:04.880
I remember my days in the Dallas ISD,

01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:07.910
there was a rule whether
it was stated or unstated

01:26:07.910 --> 01:26:09.610
that you kinda had to
serve five years there

01:26:09.610 --> 01:26:12.320
before you can move on
to other places and so forth.

01:26:12.320 --> 01:26:15.170
So I'm wondering about
how that might be codified

01:26:15.170 --> 01:26:18.753
or talked about or
incentivized in some sense?

01:26:20.243 --> 01:26:23.576
<v ->Sir, we do not have
stated or written rule</v>

01:26:23.576 --> 01:26:26.357
that (indistinct).

01:26:28.597 --> 01:26:29.600
Sorry.

01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:31.090
Thank you. (laughs)

01:26:31.090 --> 01:26:31.923
I'll repeat that.

01:26:31.923 --> 01:26:33.790
We do not have a stated role that says

01:26:33.790 --> 01:26:37.550
that books that progress
through our program must stay

01:26:37.550 --> 01:26:40.900
with Ector County ISD
for any number of years.

01:26:40.900 --> 01:26:42.540
It is our goal though,

01:26:42.540 --> 01:26:44.960
through the support
that we provide through

01:26:44.960 --> 01:26:46.470
Odessa Pathway to Teaching

01:26:46.470 --> 01:26:51.470
that that in itself will
help retain those teachers

01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:53.060
in our system.

01:26:53.060 --> 01:26:56.120
So I hope that can answer your question.

01:26:56.120 --> 01:26:57.596
<v ->No, thank you for that.</v>

01:26:57.596 --> 01:26:59.596
Appreciate it very much.

01:27:03.263 --> 01:27:04.930
<v ->Yes, Commissioner.</v>

01:27:05.826 --> 01:27:06.659
Yeah.

01:27:06.659 --> 01:27:07.492
<v ->Thank you.</v>

01:27:07.492 --> 01:27:10.410
I just wanted to thank
y'all for the proposal,

01:27:10.410 --> 01:27:12.660
and I was especially excited
about some of the ways

01:27:12.660 --> 01:27:15.090
that you were going above and beyond

01:27:15.090 --> 01:27:18.570
some of the minimum
requirements of the certification

01:27:18.570 --> 01:27:22.870
programs and especially
around the pre-service training

01:27:22.870 --> 01:27:25.650
component and really
the hands-on practice

01:27:25.650 --> 01:27:29.150
and support by experienced
teachers in the district.

01:27:29.150 --> 01:27:31.270
So I just wondered if you
wanted to speak a little bit more

01:27:31.270 --> 01:27:32.470
about some of the components

01:27:32.470 --> 01:27:34.930
that you have that really
go above the required

01:27:34.930 --> 01:27:36.163
with the requirements.

01:27:39.290 --> 01:27:42.070
<v ->Thank you for the
opportunity to share a little bit</v>

01:27:42.070 --> 01:27:42.903
about our program.

01:27:42.903 --> 01:27:46.410
So our program does
require several hours

01:27:46.410 --> 01:27:50.120
and then when I joined the
program in content tutoring

01:27:50.120 --> 01:27:52.140
in order to help prepare
them and make sure

01:27:52.140 --> 01:27:54.820
that their content skills
are where they need to be,

01:27:54.820 --> 01:27:57.200
and then they move into their
field-based experience hours.

01:27:57.200 --> 01:27:58.420
And then during the summer,

01:27:58.420 --> 01:28:00.300
during some pre-service training time,

01:28:00.300 --> 01:28:04.230
we spend time with mentor
teachers from our district.

01:28:04.230 --> 01:28:06.700
We're spending some time
during summer learning,

01:28:06.700 --> 01:28:08.840
actually time in the
classroom at that point in time

01:28:08.840 --> 01:28:10.420
as well during our summer
learning experiences.

01:28:10.420 --> 01:28:12.880
So they're getting a
combination of experiences

01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:15.730
before they actually are
ready to begin their internship.

01:28:20.350 --> 01:28:23.030
<v ->Any other questions
or comments?</v>

01:28:23.030 --> 01:28:23.993
Yes, Dr. Galvan.

01:28:25.350 --> 01:28:29.683
<v ->Well, 11 years ago, I
was where you are now.</v>

01:28:31.410 --> 01:28:33.820
So we were one of the first programs

01:28:33.820 --> 01:28:37.050
that went through what
you just went through.

01:28:37.050 --> 01:28:40.230
And I can tell you it's well-worth,

01:28:40.230 --> 01:28:42.120
you've done a lot of work.

01:28:42.120 --> 01:28:43.110
It's obvious.

01:28:43.110 --> 01:28:45.893
So congratulations for getting this far.

01:28:49.690 --> 01:28:51.569
Be careful what you wish for.

01:28:51.569 --> 01:28:52.402
(laughs)
What can I tell you?

01:28:52.402 --> 01:28:56.300
It's very difficult because
it's like I was sharing

01:28:56.300 --> 01:28:57.950
yesterday with the group.

01:28:57.950 --> 01:29:00.340
Alternative means you are the registrar,

01:29:00.340 --> 01:29:03.410
you are the business,
you are everything,

01:29:03.410 --> 01:29:07.270
and it's never lose
sight of your candidates.

01:29:07.270 --> 01:29:09.650
And sometimes it gets a little rough

01:29:09.650 --> 01:29:12.090
and sometimes you're the counselor

01:29:12.090 --> 01:29:19.140
and it's a challenging
journey, but so rewarding.

01:29:19.140 --> 01:29:21.410
And I wanna wish you all the best

01:29:22.510 --> 01:29:25.383
and congratulations if you get approved.

01:29:26.730 --> 01:29:28.030
<v ->All right.</v>

01:29:28.030 --> 01:29:29.060
Thank you, Dr. Galvan.

01:29:29.060 --> 01:29:30.143
Anyone else?

01:29:32.430 --> 01:29:33.263
All right.

01:29:34.320 --> 01:29:35.440
Being no further discussion,

01:29:35.440 --> 01:29:38.000
I think we're ready for the motion.

01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:40.730
All right, and I see it
up there on the screen.

01:29:40.730 --> 01:29:44.160
Would anyone care to
make a motion on this item?

01:29:44.160 --> 01:29:47.189
Yes, Jean Streepey, if you would please.

01:29:47.189 --> 01:29:49.606
(indistinct)

01:29:53.670 --> 01:29:55.950
<v ->I move to approve
Odessa Pathway to Teaching</v>

01:29:55.950 --> 01:29:59.410
as a new Educator Preparation
Program as presented.

01:29:59.410 --> 01:30:00.380
<v ->Thank you, Jean.</v>

01:30:00.380 --> 01:30:01.540
Is there a second?

01:30:01.540 --> 01:30:02.373
<v Dr.Kim>Second.</v>

01:30:02.373 --> 01:30:03.973
<v ->Second by Superintendent Kim.</v>

01:30:05.120 --> 01:30:07.193
Any further discussion before we vote?

01:30:08.210 --> 01:30:10.580
All right, all those in
favor of the motion,

01:30:10.580 --> 01:30:12.263
please raise your right hand.

01:30:13.240 --> 01:30:15.770
All those opposed same sign.

01:30:15.770 --> 01:30:17.980
Motion carries unanimously.

01:30:17.980 --> 01:30:21.900
I think we all joined
Dr. Galvan in congratulating you,

01:30:21.900 --> 01:30:24.310
wishing you the very best as she said,

01:30:24.310 --> 01:30:26.452
it's a combination of challenge.

01:30:26.452 --> 01:30:29.785
(participants clapping)

01:30:31.010 --> 01:30:32.063
All right.

01:30:33.100 --> 01:30:34.463
Onto the next item.

01:30:38.110 --> 01:30:43.110
Okay, Christie you're
ready to handle this?

01:30:43.370 --> 01:30:44.210
<v ->Yes, sir.</v>
<v ->And Jessica?</v>

01:30:44.210 --> 01:30:45.640
<v ->Yes, sir.</v>

01:30:45.640 --> 01:30:48.460
It is a board governance item.

01:30:48.460 --> 01:30:50.360
We're gonna give a little preview

01:30:50.360 --> 01:30:51.640
and then we'll hand it back over

01:30:51.640 --> 01:30:54.040
and let you do your magic on this one.

01:30:54.040 --> 01:30:55.940
'Cause this is all in your hands.

01:30:55.940 --> 01:30:59.590
So board, as you know,
with your new officer positions

01:30:59.590 --> 01:31:01.120
that you were elected earlier,

01:31:01.120 --> 01:31:04.070
as well as brand new board
members that have come on,

01:31:04.070 --> 01:31:04.903
to the board,

01:31:04.903 --> 01:31:07.070
we wanna give an
opportunity for us to update

01:31:07.070 --> 01:31:09.440
the EPP Commendations Committee.

01:31:09.440 --> 01:31:13.723
And before we take
volunteers or your prisoners,

01:31:15.040 --> 01:31:16.150
we wanted to make sure,

01:31:16.150 --> 01:31:19.310
I wanted to give
Jessica a little opportunity

01:31:19.310 --> 01:31:22.920
to kind of really talk about the
EPP Commendations Committee

01:31:22.920 --> 01:31:25.040
that so y'all will get so excited.

01:31:25.040 --> 01:31:26.780
Everyone's hands was gonna go up,

01:31:26.780 --> 01:31:28.070
'cause the more work the better.

01:31:28.070 --> 01:31:30.098
So go ahead, Jes.

01:31:30.098 --> 01:31:31.760
<v Jessica>Well, that
was a tall order.</v>

01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:34.663
I hope I can build some
excitement and energy.

01:31:35.570 --> 01:31:39.060
So board, your EPP
Commendations Committee

01:31:39.060 --> 01:31:44.060
has the real privilege to
reflect upon it and recognize

01:31:45.040 --> 01:31:48.500
highly effective high quality
Educator Preparation Programs

01:31:48.500 --> 01:31:52.140
across Texas who are really
engaged in innovative practices.

01:31:52.140 --> 01:31:55.170
So the EPP Commendations
Committee really serves

01:31:55.170 --> 01:31:58.300
the vital role of developing
and recommending back

01:31:58.300 --> 01:32:02.420
to the full board the innovative
EPP commendation area

01:32:02.420 --> 01:32:05.210
of focus which is updated annually.

01:32:05.210 --> 01:32:08.670
The criteria that would be
used to evaluate the EPPs

01:32:08.670 --> 01:32:11.530
who apply for the innovative
EPP commendation.

01:32:11.530 --> 01:32:13.950
And then finally the
ultimate list of the programs

01:32:13.950 --> 01:32:17.300
recommended for an
awarded that commendation.

01:32:17.300 --> 01:32:19.980
So with that in mind, the
committee already met in April.

01:32:19.980 --> 01:32:21.440
You can see that checkmark,

01:32:21.440 --> 01:32:23.310
one of those meetings is already done.

01:32:23.310 --> 01:32:26.320
And to determine the area of innovation.

01:32:26.320 --> 01:32:30.250
And we'll meet again in
September, December and February

01:32:30.250 --> 01:32:33.720
to develop the criteria,
review the applications

01:32:33.720 --> 01:32:36.440
and ultimately recommend
the selected EPPs

01:32:36.440 --> 01:32:39.870
to the full board for their
review and commendation.

01:32:39.870 --> 01:32:41.410
So if I built enough excitement,

01:32:41.410 --> 01:32:43.260
I will turn it back over to Christie.

01:32:45.490 --> 01:32:48.730
<v Christie>And also
given that we can still...</v>

01:32:48.730 --> 01:32:51.600
As long as their disaster
declaration holds,

01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:53.620
we can still have those meetings Zoom,

01:32:53.620 --> 01:32:55.293
where they'll still be posted,

01:32:56.270 --> 01:33:00.750
but that's until the disaster
declaration is released

01:33:00.750 --> 01:33:03.000
and then we'll have
to go back in person.

01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:05.450
But what we'll do then
is we will coordinate

01:33:05.450 --> 01:33:07.020
those with your SBEC meetings,

01:33:07.020 --> 01:33:09.300
whether it be the afternoon before

01:33:09.300 --> 01:33:11.440
or the afternoon of the board meeting,

01:33:11.440 --> 01:33:15.070
just depending on how
weighted the agenda is.

01:33:15.070 --> 01:33:16.800
Just as a current reminder,

01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:21.380
our current chair is Dr. Kelly
and here our current members

01:33:21.380 --> 01:33:23.460
that volunteered in February.

01:33:23.460 --> 01:33:25.770
So if you already
volunteered in February,

01:33:25.770 --> 01:33:27.010
you can't bring dig now.

01:33:27.010 --> 01:33:29.920
So we will take additional names,

01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:32.560
but this committee, I can tell you

01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:35.100
when it first got
started by Dr. Olofson,

01:33:35.100 --> 01:33:39.340
we had no clue what
the true intrinsic value

01:33:39.340 --> 01:33:40.370
has really come at this.

01:33:40.370 --> 01:33:43.300
And you'll see items that
are later in the agenda

01:33:43.300 --> 01:33:46.650
that are direct correlation
of how this committee

01:33:46.650 --> 01:33:51.175
really dug in deep on
recognizing and identifying

01:33:51.175 --> 01:33:53.900
those criteria of what
really does make a quality

01:33:53.900 --> 01:33:56.960
ed prep program that
you not only can celebrate,

01:33:56.960 --> 01:34:01.310
but also to give others
the opportunity to emulate.

01:34:01.310 --> 01:34:03.960
So with that, we can,

01:34:03.960 --> 01:34:06.780
I'm gonna hand it back
over to Chairman Kelly,

01:34:06.780 --> 01:34:09.150
and he'll be able to appoint his chair

01:34:09.150 --> 01:34:10.790
and then allow for volunteers.

01:34:10.790 --> 01:34:14.090
And we'll be writing down those names.

01:34:14.090 --> 01:34:16.660
So you will see it next time.

01:34:16.660 --> 01:34:20.490
<v ->All right, board members
this is delightful duty.</v>

01:34:20.490 --> 01:34:23.550
You get to basically
work on how to recognize

01:34:23.550 --> 01:34:25.690
the outstanding programs.

01:34:25.690 --> 01:34:28.550
One, just a personal
note is that Dr. Garcia

01:34:28.550 --> 01:34:31.060
in her previous life
before she joined TEA

01:34:31.970 --> 01:34:35.710
received the top votes and
the top score for her program

01:34:35.710 --> 01:34:39.300
out there and receive
commendations in the very first year.

01:34:39.300 --> 01:34:42.275
So again, if you do a
good job, you get promoted.

01:34:42.275 --> 01:34:43.350
(laughs)

01:34:43.350 --> 01:34:47.370
And anyway, what I'd like to do,

01:34:47.370 --> 01:34:49.980
and in this particular
case, my job is to appoint.

01:34:49.980 --> 01:34:51.900
So with permission,

01:34:51.900 --> 01:34:54.740
I'd like to appoint Jean
Streepey to be our new chair

01:34:54.740 --> 01:34:56.840
of this committee,
if you're willing Jean.

01:34:57.910 --> 01:35:01.350
And then I'd like to ask
who of the remaining

01:35:01.350 --> 01:35:04.940
current members as on the
slide there would be willing

01:35:04.940 --> 01:35:08.910
to continue your duty in that regard?

01:35:08.910 --> 01:35:10.250
So let me go through that.

01:35:10.250 --> 01:35:11.700
Courtney, are you good?

01:35:11.700 --> 01:35:12.730
Okay.

01:35:12.730 --> 01:35:13.720
Shareefah.

01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:14.750
Yourself?

01:35:14.750 --> 01:35:16.140
Dr. Rodriguez.

01:35:16.140 --> 01:35:18.573
Okay, and I already got Jean.

01:35:21.927 --> 01:35:23.440
We had a total membership of five

01:35:23.440 --> 01:35:24.680
if I remember the last time.

01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:26.420
Does that sound right?

01:35:26.420 --> 01:35:27.802
Yeah, it should.

01:35:27.802 --> 01:35:28.963
And that's what's on the slide.

01:35:30.130 --> 01:35:31.414
Is there.

01:35:31.414 --> 01:35:33.410
So I could use one
more member to a point

01:35:33.410 --> 01:35:36.650
with anybody else like to
serve on that committee?

01:35:36.650 --> 01:35:37.483
Okay.

01:35:37.483 --> 01:35:38.460
Rex.

01:35:38.460 --> 01:35:41.390
Rex Gore will be our
fifth and final appointment.

01:35:41.390 --> 01:35:42.470
Well, let me say this.

01:35:42.470 --> 01:35:44.470
Is there anyone else
that is just really wishing

01:35:44.470 --> 01:35:45.303
to be on it?

01:35:45.303 --> 01:35:47.390
I don't wanna exclude
anybody that would like to.

01:35:47.390 --> 01:35:49.693
All right, Dr. Galvan.

01:35:50.850 --> 01:35:51.683
All right.

01:35:52.714 --> 01:35:53.790
<v ->I'm glad she raised her hand</v>

01:35:53.790 --> 01:35:55.860
'cause I was going to nominate her.

01:35:55.860 --> 01:35:56.693
<v ->Oh, is that right?</v>

01:35:56.693 --> 01:35:59.480
<v ->So yes, Jean was
gonna beat me to it.</v>

01:35:59.480 --> 01:36:01.290
<v ->Okay, outstanding.</v>

01:36:01.290 --> 01:36:04.030
All right, hearing no others.

01:36:04.030 --> 01:36:04.870
That's our committee.

01:36:04.870 --> 01:36:06.660
And thank you for your past service

01:36:06.660 --> 01:36:09.403
and for your continuing service.

01:36:11.390 --> 01:36:15.230
All right, we are now
moving on to item 12.

01:36:20.203 --> 01:36:22.016
(indistinct)

01:36:22.016 --> 01:36:22.849
Okay.

01:36:24.550 --> 01:36:26.050
I don't know if that was an omen or not,

01:36:26.050 --> 01:36:28.680
but she said, she'll be
behind me if I need her.

01:36:28.680 --> 01:36:30.763
(laughs)

01:36:31.890 --> 01:36:35.143
All right, we are with
the disciplinary cases.

01:36:38.489 --> 01:36:40.310
This seems relatively brief as compared

01:36:40.310 --> 01:36:41.820
to some of our past meetings, Laura.

01:36:41.820 --> 01:36:43.170
Is it?

01:36:43.170 --> 01:36:44.003
Let's proceed.

01:36:44.003 --> 01:36:45.640
I think at this point, rather than--

01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:47.540
<v ->Sure, just tell me if
y'all would like a break</v>

01:36:47.540 --> 01:36:49.370
you're welcome to...

01:36:49.370 --> 01:36:52.350
<v ->Everybody ready to proceed
or anyone needing a break?</v>

01:36:52.350 --> 01:36:54.340
Okay, then let's move on.

01:36:54.340 --> 01:36:56.220
Laura, the floor is yours.

01:36:56.220 --> 01:36:57.840
<v ->All right.</v>

01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:01.020
So we will be doing our
disciplinary cases this morning.

01:37:01.020 --> 01:37:02.360
For the folks who are new.

01:37:02.360 --> 01:37:04.690
I'm gonna walk through
each section of the agenda

01:37:04.690 --> 01:37:06.170
and pull up the cases.

01:37:06.170 --> 01:37:08.120
I will offer to let us
vote them in blocks,

01:37:08.120 --> 01:37:10.730
but if there are ones that
we need to vote separately,

01:37:10.730 --> 01:37:12.990
we're gonna call them out ahead of time,

01:37:12.990 --> 01:37:14.830
pull them out of the total vote block

01:37:14.830 --> 01:37:16.700
and talk about them separately.

01:37:16.700 --> 01:37:19.260
So from staff's perspective,

01:37:19.260 --> 01:37:24.260
we need to pull
defaults 1,7, 13, and 17,

01:37:25.930 --> 01:37:29.470
because those folks have
either answered or signed

01:37:29.470 --> 01:37:31.140
agreed orders.

01:37:31.140 --> 01:37:34.480
And we need to pull number
30 and consider it separately

01:37:34.480 --> 01:37:38.360
because Ms. Mason
needs to recuse on that one.

01:37:38.360 --> 01:37:42.447
So again, that was 1, 7, 13, 17, and 30.

01:37:45.340 --> 01:37:47.430
The other thing I need
to make clear is that,

01:37:47.430 --> 01:37:50.100
staff's recommendation for number 33,

01:37:50.100 --> 01:37:53.670
which is Jenny Elliott
is a two year suspension

01:37:53.670 --> 01:37:58.080
and a drug and alcohol class.

01:37:58.080 --> 01:38:00.370
That's correct on the agenda.

01:38:00.370 --> 01:38:02.280
The cover sheet is a little weird.

01:38:02.280 --> 01:38:03.290
Ignore the cover sheet.

01:38:03.290 --> 01:38:04.950
The agenda is right.

01:38:04.950 --> 01:38:08.055
So staff recommendation
on the agenda is right.

01:38:08.055 --> 01:38:09.513
(indistinct)

01:38:09.513 --> 01:38:11.381
That one is number 33.

01:38:11.381 --> 01:38:12.247
<v ->I think it's 32.</v>

01:38:12.247 --> 01:38:13.080
<v ->Oh, I'm sorry.</v>

01:38:13.080 --> 01:38:14.522
<v ->Jeeny Elliot.</v>

01:38:14.522 --> 01:38:15.900
<v ->Am I on the wrong?</v>

01:38:15.900 --> 01:38:17.000
You're right, it's 32.

01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:18.270
Okay, Jeeny Elliot.

01:38:18.270 --> 01:38:19.730
Things are going great so far.

01:38:19.730 --> 01:38:22.663
Jenny Elliot, number 32.

01:38:23.930 --> 01:38:26.360
We don't need to pull her
into consider her separately

01:38:26.360 --> 01:38:28.190
because your motion
will be to be in line

01:38:28.190 --> 01:38:29.809
with staff's recommendation.

01:38:29.809 --> 01:38:31.540
I just wanted to clarify
that staff's recommendation

01:38:31.540 --> 01:38:34.477
on the agenda is accurate.

01:38:34.477 --> 01:38:35.462
<v ->All right.</v>

01:38:35.462 --> 01:38:38.338
For those who are our veteran members,

01:38:38.338 --> 01:38:39.970
you'll be more familiar with this.

01:38:39.970 --> 01:38:41.360
But also for beginning,

01:38:41.360 --> 01:38:43.680
are there any other
cases that you would like

01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:45.600
to consider separately?

01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:46.433
Mr. Coleman.

01:38:47.980 --> 01:38:49.503
<v ->Default 29, please.</v>

01:38:57.070 --> 01:38:59.080
<v ->Are there any other cases
that you would like to see</v>

01:38:59.080 --> 01:39:00.693
considered separately?

01:39:03.730 --> 01:39:07.360
All right, and our people
are very efficiently putting

01:39:07.360 --> 01:39:11.440
that revise motion, including
these new cases identified

01:39:11.440 --> 01:39:12.943
on the screen.

01:39:14.940 --> 01:39:16.440
Again, one more time.

01:39:16.440 --> 01:39:20.220
Anybody else want to add any other items

01:39:20.220 --> 01:39:22.823
for a separate consideration?

01:39:24.220 --> 01:39:25.440
Hearing none.

01:39:25.440 --> 01:39:28.250
Would someone like to
make a motion here with regard

01:39:28.250 --> 01:39:32.051
to handling these default cases?

01:39:32.051 --> 01:39:34.220
<v ->Mr Chair, I'll make a motion.</v>

01:39:34.220 --> 01:39:35.053
<v ->Is that?</v>

01:39:35.053 --> 01:39:36.168
I didn't hear you.

01:39:36.168 --> 01:39:37.001
<v ->Can I make a motion?</v>

01:39:37.001 --> 01:39:37.834
<v ->Yes, sir.</v>

01:39:37.834 --> 01:39:38.667
Go ahead Superintendent.

01:39:38.667 --> 01:39:40.440
I moved that the board
grant staffs requests

01:39:40.440 --> 01:39:42.203
for the issuance of default.

01:39:43.070 --> 01:39:44.313
I'm sorry.

01:39:44.313 --> 01:39:46.793
I'll call to the order
default cases numbered.

01:39:48.130 --> 01:39:48.963
Oh boy!

01:39:48.963 --> 01:39:52.230
Okay, one through 46
listed on the agenda.

01:39:52.230 --> 01:39:57.230
Excluding cases 1, 7, 13, I believe 30.

01:39:59.576 --> 01:40:00.969
29 and 30.

01:40:00.969 --> 01:40:01.802
<v Participant>17.</v>

01:40:01.802 --> 01:40:03.190
<v Dr.Kim>17, 29 and 30.</v>

01:40:03.190 --> 01:40:04.023
<v ->Yes, sir.</v>

01:40:04.023 --> 01:40:04.856
That's correct.

01:40:05.770 --> 01:40:07.004
I admire you.

01:40:07.004 --> 01:40:08.340
You have made this motion
at your very first meeting.

01:40:08.340 --> 01:40:09.759
<v ->I know.</v>

01:40:09.759 --> 01:40:10.592
<v ->It's complicated.</v>

01:40:10.592 --> 01:40:13.860
<v ->I'm guided to read the
second statement as well.</v>

01:40:13.860 --> 01:40:16.450
So I move that the
board grant staff's request

01:40:16.450 --> 01:40:18.450
for the issuance of default judgments

01:40:18.450 --> 01:40:20.530
and enter final orders consistent

01:40:20.530 --> 01:40:21.990
with staff's recommendations.

01:40:21.990 --> 01:40:23.289
<v ->All right.</v>

01:40:23.289 --> 01:40:24.122
Thank you, Superintendent Kim.

01:40:24.122 --> 01:40:25.750
Do we have a second to that motion?

01:40:25.750 --> 01:40:28.363
Rohanna, who's really
the voice behind this.

01:40:30.900 --> 01:40:34.580
Is there any further
discussion before we vote?

01:40:34.580 --> 01:40:36.450
All right, those in favor of the motion

01:40:36.450 --> 01:40:38.530
as Superintendent Kim has pronounced it,

01:40:38.530 --> 01:40:40.713
please signify by
raising your right hand.

01:40:41.640 --> 01:40:44.003
Those opposed same sign.

01:40:44.880 --> 01:40:46.883
Motion carries unanimously.

01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:48.673
Laura.

01:40:48.673 --> 01:40:51.710
<v ->So now we will take
case number 29 individually.</v>

01:40:51.710 --> 01:40:54.793
This is in the matter of Walter Long.

01:40:57.520 --> 01:40:59.210
Mr. Coleman was the one who pulled this.

01:40:59.210 --> 01:41:00.700
<v ->Thank you, Ms. Moriarty.</v>

01:41:00.700 --> 01:41:01.533
Dr. Kelly.

01:41:03.150 --> 01:41:05.870
I am in agreement with
the recommendation of staff.

01:41:05.870 --> 01:41:09.390
However, given the nature
of the allegations here,

01:41:09.390 --> 01:41:12.420
I was hoping that maybe
the board will consider

01:41:12.420 --> 01:41:14.630
in addition to the successful completion

01:41:14.630 --> 01:41:16.760
of a substance abuse treatment program,

01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:20.350
they will also add a condition
that there be a psychological

01:41:20.350 --> 01:41:21.740
evaluation.

01:41:21.740 --> 01:41:23.915
I was troubled by
the fact that in addition

01:41:23.915 --> 01:41:28.853
to the drugs that were found,

01:41:29.720 --> 01:41:33.400
there was also an allegation
that the defendant held a gun

01:41:33.400 --> 01:41:35.540
to his head as well.

01:41:35.540 --> 01:41:38.820
And there was also
some instances of violence

01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:43.080
or destruction of property
as part of this whole

01:41:43.080 --> 01:41:44.570
transaction.

01:41:44.570 --> 01:41:47.720
I mean, if this educator
gets whatever help

01:41:47.720 --> 01:41:52.090
that he gets or needs to
address his drug issues,

01:41:52.090 --> 01:41:55.430
I still would have some
concerns about his mental stability

01:41:55.430 --> 01:42:00.430
and in his ability to be
in his propriety of being

01:42:01.110 --> 01:42:03.150
in the classroom with children,

01:42:03.150 --> 01:42:05.610
which is why I'm thinking
that a psychological evaluation

01:42:05.610 --> 01:42:08.713
would also be probably a good idea.

01:42:09.580 --> 01:42:10.413
<v ->Very good.</v>

01:42:12.190 --> 01:42:13.620
Thank you, Mr. Coleman.

01:42:13.620 --> 01:42:17.423
Any other comments with
regard to number 29 here?

01:42:18.380 --> 01:42:20.930
<v ->Mr. Chair, I do have a
follow-up question, if I may.</v>

01:42:20.930 --> 01:42:21.763
<v ->Yes, sir.</v>

01:42:21.763 --> 01:42:24.900
<v ->Chair, when there's a
recommendation for such requests</v>

01:42:27.930 --> 01:42:29.760
in the education,

01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:32.020
is it the cost of those services,

01:42:32.020 --> 01:42:34.300
are they bare born by the individual?

01:42:34.300 --> 01:42:36.540
I guess, is my thought
versus a school district

01:42:36.540 --> 01:42:37.570
in terms of that regard.

01:42:37.570 --> 01:42:39.580
<v ->Right, they would be
born by the individual.</v>

01:42:39.580 --> 01:42:41.520
If we decide to make
this motion as an aside,

01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:42.870
I just need some specifics.

01:42:42.870 --> 01:42:45.540
I wanna make sure we have
that psychological evaluation

01:42:45.540 --> 01:42:46.373
nailed down.

01:42:46.373 --> 01:42:47.206
Who's gonna be doing it?

01:42:47.206 --> 01:42:49.610
And what we're looking
for very specifically,

01:42:49.610 --> 01:42:53.575
because we've had some
trouble enforcing those in the past.

01:42:53.575 --> 01:42:54.810
(chuckles)

01:42:54.810 --> 01:42:55.860
<v ->And to that degree,</v>

01:42:56.710 --> 01:42:59.110
would you just carry on
general characterization

01:43:00.500 --> 01:43:02.330
of those issues in terms of conflicts

01:43:02.330 --> 01:43:03.693
of that recommendation?

01:43:05.130 --> 01:43:07.000
<v ->I'm sorry, the issue of?</v>

01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:10.530
<v ->Psychological evaluations
or mental health evaluations.</v>

01:43:10.530 --> 01:43:12.300
Is it just because of the,

01:43:12.300 --> 01:43:17.280
not being able to identify
a certain individuals,

01:43:17.280 --> 01:43:19.880
institutions to do those work,
I guess in some sense or?

01:43:19.880 --> 01:43:20.713
<v ->Right.</v>

01:43:20.713 --> 01:43:23.030
Yeah, we can't specify
any specific individual,

01:43:23.030 --> 01:43:25.990
but we need to be very specific
in what type of professional

01:43:25.990 --> 01:43:26.823
we asked to have done,

01:43:26.823 --> 01:43:31.360
because when we simply say
have a mental health evaluation,

01:43:31.360 --> 01:43:34.210
it can be a lot of folks who do it,

01:43:34.210 --> 01:43:36.230
and then we don't have
any grounds to say no, right?

01:43:36.230 --> 01:43:39.140
Because there's a lot of
different kinds of professionals

01:43:39.140 --> 01:43:43.690
who have varying capacities
who can offer to do these.

01:43:43.690 --> 01:43:45.280
And also we need to be very clear

01:43:45.280 --> 01:43:49.020
on what it is we want the outcome to be,

01:43:49.020 --> 01:43:53.070
because depending on
what this person's condition is,

01:43:53.070 --> 01:43:56.130
there could be a wide
range of capacities

01:43:56.130 --> 01:43:57.060
that they have or don't have.

01:43:57.060 --> 01:43:59.410
So I guess we usually look to Ms. Sykes

01:43:59.410 --> 01:44:00.950
to help us articulate this.

01:44:00.950 --> 01:44:02.510
I will say that staff had thought

01:44:02.510 --> 01:44:04.550
that perhaps this gentleman
was just high on meth.

01:44:04.550 --> 01:44:07.510
So we weren't sure which way that goes,

01:44:07.510 --> 01:44:09.230
but absolutely a one way to find out

01:44:09.230 --> 01:44:10.590
is to get him evaluated.

01:44:10.590 --> 01:44:13.290
Assuming we can describe
it specifically enough

01:44:13.290 --> 01:44:14.440
to make it enforceable.

01:44:15.740 --> 01:44:19.383
<v ->All right, Mr. Coleman, I
see you're writing furiously.</v>

01:44:20.395 --> 01:44:22.510
Do you want to add to that or?

01:44:22.510 --> 01:44:23.343
<v ->I would.</v>

01:44:23.343 --> 01:44:25.490
I mean, I think the point is well taken

01:44:25.490 --> 01:44:26.890
that we need to be specific.

01:44:27.820 --> 01:44:30.050
I mean, someone here
who has a better grasp

01:44:30.050 --> 01:44:34.590
on a psychologist versus a psychiatrist,

01:44:34.590 --> 01:44:35.720
please feel free to chime in.

01:44:35.720 --> 01:44:38.320
But I think what I would
want is certainly someone

01:44:38.320 --> 01:44:43.040
who is certified by whatever
the certifying agency

01:44:43.040 --> 01:44:46.060
would be that certifies
those individuals.

01:44:46.060 --> 01:44:49.410
And then also another requirement
would be that they provide

01:44:49.410 --> 01:44:52.080
the evaluation to staff.

01:44:52.080 --> 01:44:56.520
And then thirdly that they
follow the recommendations.

01:44:56.520 --> 01:44:58.570
The educator follows
whatever recommendations

01:44:58.570 --> 01:45:00.503
comes from that evaluation.

01:45:01.760 --> 01:45:03.640
Oh, and I guess
while I'm thinking of it,

01:45:03.640 --> 01:45:07.960
also, is we should specify
as Ms. Moriarty stated

01:45:07.960 --> 01:45:10.900
that the evaluation should
be geared toward their fitness

01:45:12.944 --> 01:45:14.894
to carry out the duties of an educator.

01:45:18.100 --> 01:45:21.750
There's a lot of complexity
to all those different pieces.

01:45:21.750 --> 01:45:23.886
Would it be appropriate Laura,

01:45:23.886 --> 01:45:25.620
if the board could essentially delegate

01:45:25.620 --> 01:45:29.803
that this to SBEC staff
and say essentially that,

01:45:31.340 --> 01:45:33.850
you know, it has to
pass muster through y'all

01:45:33.850 --> 01:45:35.770
with a check back to us or something.

01:45:35.770 --> 01:45:37.930
<v ->Unfortunately, staff can't
have that kind of authority</v>

01:45:37.930 --> 01:45:38.763
delegated to it.

01:45:38.763 --> 01:45:41.140
So we need to be real specific.

01:45:41.140 --> 01:45:43.640
We've done these before, I think.

01:45:43.640 --> 01:45:45.163
Ms. Sykes, can you?

01:45:46.030 --> 01:45:48.300
Chairman, if you could
recognize Ms. Sykes,

01:45:48.300 --> 01:45:51.023
perhaps she could give us some
direction on what would help?

01:45:52.220 --> 01:45:56.020
<v ->Yes, so I think a licensed
mental health provider</v>

01:45:56.020 --> 01:45:58.330
would be able to perform
that assessment as well

01:45:58.330 --> 01:46:00.410
as a psychiatrist or a psychologist

01:46:02.035 --> 01:46:03.780
if those were the people,

01:46:03.780 --> 01:46:05.310
if that's the language
that we wanted to use,

01:46:05.310 --> 01:46:09.780
I don't know if we need to
go into executive session

01:46:10.900 --> 01:46:13.290
to maybe talk about the language

01:46:13.290 --> 01:46:15.510
and see what needs to be added in terms

01:46:15.510 --> 01:46:20.040
of like what the outcome needs to be?

01:46:20.040 --> 01:46:21.560
I don't know if that's something
that we would need to do,

01:46:21.560 --> 01:46:23.370
or if that's something
that we talk about out here.

01:46:23.370 --> 01:46:24.350
<v ->I have some great news,</v>

01:46:24.350 --> 01:46:25.640
which is that we've done this before

01:46:25.640 --> 01:46:27.440
and that Cameron has the old motion.

01:46:28.661 --> 01:46:31.360
So (indistinct) she's gonna
try to put it up on the screen.

01:46:31.360 --> 01:46:35.020
And I think we could
use that as a template

01:46:35.020 --> 01:46:36.370
and perhaps voted that way.

01:46:36.370 --> 01:46:38.868
So let's come back to this one.

01:46:38.868 --> 01:46:40.750
(laughs)

01:46:40.750 --> 01:46:41.770
<v ->I can do a quick segment.</v>

01:46:41.770 --> 01:46:44.180
If I'm just gonna read it
and make sure Mr. Coleman

01:46:44.180 --> 01:46:45.230
that that's what you want it to say.

01:46:45.230 --> 01:46:48.920
And as I'm reading, I will
type on my other laptop

01:46:48.920 --> 01:46:50.990
and everything is gonna be great.

01:46:50.990 --> 01:46:54.740
Okay, so we have submit
evidence of a successful completion

01:46:54.740 --> 01:46:57.800
of a mental health evaluation
by a licensed psychiatrist

01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:01.160
or psychologist finding
respondent is suited to return

01:47:01.160 --> 01:47:02.921
to work as an educator.

01:47:02.921 --> 01:47:03.754
<v Dr. Kelly>That's pretty good.</v>

01:47:03.754 --> 01:47:04.587
<v ->All right.</v>

01:47:05.520 --> 01:47:09.530
So how about, I just bring this to you

01:47:10.450 --> 01:47:12.588
and I'm telling you what to say.

01:47:12.588 --> 01:47:14.920
(indistinct)

01:47:14.920 --> 01:47:19.193
<v ->More proof of who
actually runs this meeting.</v>

01:47:25.850 --> 01:47:27.610
All right, to cut to the chase,

01:47:27.610 --> 01:47:29.640
unless there are any
other discussion points.

01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:32.563
Let's have Mr. Coleman
make the appropriate motion.

01:47:33.900 --> 01:47:36.160
<v ->I call to order default
case number 29</v>

01:47:36.160 --> 01:47:37.690
as listed on the agenda.

01:47:37.690 --> 01:47:39.800
I move that the board
grant stature request

01:47:39.800 --> 01:47:41.450
for the issuance of a default judgment

01:47:41.450 --> 01:47:44.530
and enter a final
order issuing a sanction

01:47:44.530 --> 01:47:47.620
of a two-year suspension
and submit evidence

01:47:47.620 --> 01:47:51.270
of a successful completion
of a mental health evaluation

01:47:51.270 --> 01:47:54.560
by a licensed psychiatrist
or a psychologist finding

01:47:54.560 --> 01:47:58.700
that respondent is suited to
return to work as an educator.

01:47:58.700 --> 01:48:01.180
<v ->Can you also say
and proof of completion</v>

01:48:01.180 --> 01:48:02.020
of substance abuse.

01:48:02.020 --> 01:48:05.630
<v ->And also provide
proof of completion</v>

01:48:05.630 --> 01:48:08.360
of substance abuse treatment.

01:48:08.360 --> 01:48:09.193
<v ->Outstanding.</v>

01:48:10.210 --> 01:48:12.656
All right, thank you
Mr. Coleman for that motion.

01:48:12.656 --> 01:48:13.640
Would someone like the second it?

01:48:13.640 --> 01:48:14.710
Julia will second.

01:48:14.710 --> 01:48:17.860
Ms. Dvorak seconds that motion.

01:48:17.860 --> 01:48:19.954
I won't make you reread it, Mr. Coleman.

01:48:19.954 --> 01:48:21.230
(chuckles)

01:48:21.230 --> 01:48:23.700
Any further discussion on this issue?

01:48:23.700 --> 01:48:24.533
On this item?

01:48:25.480 --> 01:48:27.030
All right, we're ready for the vote.

01:48:27.030 --> 01:48:29.390
Those in favor of the motion
as Mr. Coleman has called it,

01:48:29.390 --> 01:48:31.593
please signify by
raising your right hand.

01:48:32.860 --> 01:48:35.590
Those opposed same sign.

01:48:35.590 --> 01:48:37.860
Once again, motion carries unanimously.

01:48:37.860 --> 01:48:38.930
Thank you folks.

01:48:38.930 --> 01:48:39.763
Laura.

01:48:41.300 --> 01:48:43.140
<v ->We're on to number 30,</v>

01:48:43.140 --> 01:48:45.700
which is the recusal for Ms. Mason.

01:48:45.700 --> 01:48:47.833
It's the matter of Leroy Cheveria.

01:48:51.378 --> 01:48:52.810
<v ->All right, Shareefah.</v>

01:48:52.810 --> 01:48:55.370
<v ->I hear by recuse myself
where I'm participating</v>

01:48:55.370 --> 01:48:59.253
in deliberations and voting
on default case number 30.

01:49:02.770 --> 01:49:04.400
<v ->Thank you, Ms. Mason.</v>

01:49:04.400 --> 01:49:06.060
All right, Laura.

01:49:06.060 --> 01:49:08.080
<v ->So we should have a motion,</v>

01:49:08.080 --> 01:49:10.300
unless anyone wants to
discuss this one further,

01:49:10.300 --> 01:49:11.463
we can move and vote.

01:49:12.439 --> 01:49:13.272
<v ->All right.</v>

01:49:13.272 --> 01:49:14.560
And again, the only
reason this is held separately

01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:17.610
at this point Ms.
Shareefah's need to recuse.

01:49:17.610 --> 01:49:22.250
Any further discussion before
we vote or make a motion?

01:49:22.250 --> 01:49:25.963
All right, anyone ready
willing to make this motion?

01:49:26.820 --> 01:49:28.580
<v ->Mr. Chair I'll make a motion.</v>

01:49:28.580 --> 01:49:29.413
<v ->Superintendent Kim.</v>

01:49:29.413 --> 01:49:30.693
Yes, sir.

01:49:30.693 --> 01:49:31.850
<v ->I call to order default
case number 30</v>

01:49:31.850 --> 01:49:33.300
as listed on the agenda.

01:49:33.300 --> 01:49:35.180
I move that the board
grant staff's request

01:49:35.180 --> 01:49:36.910
for the issuance of default judgments

01:49:36.910 --> 01:49:39.010
and enter a final order consistent

01:49:39.010 --> 01:49:40.420
with staff's recommendation.

01:49:40.420 --> 01:49:41.480
<v ->Thank you, Superintendent Kim.</v>

01:49:41.480 --> 01:49:42.593
Do we have a second?

01:49:43.740 --> 01:49:45.803
Courtney McDonald's seconds the motion.

01:49:47.680 --> 01:49:49.143
Any further discussion?

01:49:51.030 --> 01:49:52.430
Hearing none.

01:49:52.430 --> 01:49:54.100
Those in favor of the
motion please signify

01:49:54.100 --> 01:49:55.450
by raising your right hand.

01:49:56.360 --> 01:49:59.370
Those opposed to the motion same sign.

01:49:59.370 --> 01:50:01.320
Motion carries unanimously.

01:50:01.320 --> 01:50:02.153
Thank you.

01:50:02.153 --> 01:50:03.060
Laura.

01:50:03.060 --> 01:50:05.190
<v ->So now we're gonna
go to the SOAH defaults.</v>

01:50:05.190 --> 01:50:07.900
The difference between the
first group we did and this group

01:50:07.900 --> 01:50:10.250
is that the first group
didn't respond to our petition

01:50:10.250 --> 01:50:11.586
in writing,

01:50:11.586 --> 01:50:13.970
and this group is not showing
up to their SOAH hearing.

01:50:13.970 --> 01:50:15.040
We have two cases today,

01:50:15.040 --> 01:50:17.650
but staff wants to pull Alecia Samples

01:50:17.650 --> 01:50:20.530
for separate consideration
because Ms. Samples is here

01:50:20.530 --> 01:50:24.053
to talk about her good
cause for her default.

01:50:25.170 --> 01:50:27.470
So we have two cases that
we're gonna have conversations

01:50:27.470 --> 01:50:30.160
about good cause for default.

01:50:30.160 --> 01:50:32.633
So but we could vote on Erica Thomas,

01:50:34.230 --> 01:50:35.560
consistent with staff's recommendation

01:50:35.560 --> 01:50:37.400
of a two-year suspension.

01:50:37.400 --> 01:50:39.000
If that's the will of the board.

01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:40.793
<v ->All right.</v>

01:50:44.090 --> 01:50:46.023
I'm looking at the details here,

01:50:48.720 --> 01:50:52.220
and we have a motion
on the board already.

01:50:52.220 --> 01:50:55.870
Rohanna is ready to make that motion?

01:50:55.870 --> 01:50:56.703
No.

01:50:56.703 --> 01:50:59.310
<v ->I had a question, if I may.</v>

01:50:59.310 --> 01:51:00.360
I just had a question.

01:51:00.360 --> 01:51:04.720
So I just wanted to understand
the two year suspension,

01:51:04.720 --> 01:51:08.750
as opposed to a one year
for contract abandonment.

01:51:08.750 --> 01:51:10.230
Can you explain?

01:51:10.230 --> 01:51:13.920
<v ->Well, this person is a
recidivous contract abandoner</v>

01:51:13.920 --> 01:51:14.753
that's the problem.

01:51:14.753 --> 01:51:18.840
She has previously, I guess
Meg's coming up to assist.

01:51:18.840 --> 01:51:23.290
She has previously
abandoned her contract in 2016.

01:51:23.290 --> 01:51:24.470
So she's already been suspended

01:51:24.470 --> 01:51:26.250
for contract abandonment once,

01:51:26.250 --> 01:51:27.970
since we're coming back a second time

01:51:27.970 --> 01:51:29.180
that was the two-year suspension.

01:51:29.180 --> 01:51:31.000
Is there anything I missed Meg?

01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:31.833
<v ->Nope.</v>

01:51:31.833 --> 01:51:32.666
<v ->Good.</v>

01:51:32.666 --> 01:51:33.499
Okay.

01:51:33.499 --> 01:51:34.332
<v ->Thank you for
the clarification.</v>

01:51:37.360 --> 01:51:38.220
<v ->All right.</v>

01:51:38.220 --> 01:51:42.483
Any other clarification's comments
before we make a motion?

01:51:43.980 --> 01:51:47.973
All right, would someone like
to make a motion on this item?

01:51:49.160 --> 01:51:50.173
Yes, Mr. Coleman.

01:51:52.400 --> 01:51:54.610
<v ->I'll call it the order
SOAH default number two</v>

01:51:54.610 --> 01:51:56.180
as it listed on the agenda.

01:51:56.180 --> 01:51:59.490
I move that the board grant
staff's request for the issuance

01:51:59.490 --> 01:52:03.370
of SOAH default judgment
and enter a final order consistent

01:52:03.370 --> 01:52:05.520
with staff's recommendations.

01:52:05.520 --> 01:52:06.370
<v ->Thank you, Mr. Coleman.</v>

01:52:06.370 --> 01:52:08.050
Do we have a second on that motion?

01:52:08.050 --> 01:52:09.623
Second from Dr. Bob Brescia.

01:52:11.560 --> 01:52:13.463
Any further discussion before we vote.

01:52:14.420 --> 01:52:15.360
Hearing none.

01:52:15.360 --> 01:52:17.260
Those in favor, will you
please raise your right hand

01:52:17.260 --> 01:52:19.313
to so signify in favor of the motion.

01:52:21.240 --> 01:52:23.473
And similar sign for those opposed.

01:52:24.530 --> 01:52:26.900
Motion carries once again, unanimously.

01:52:26.900 --> 01:52:27.733
Thank you.

01:52:27.733 --> 01:52:28.650
Laura.

01:52:28.650 --> 01:52:31.250
<v ->So I'm gonna move
on to Alecia Samples,</v>

01:52:31.250 --> 01:52:32.900
which was SOAH default one,

01:52:32.900 --> 01:52:35.860
but is now gonna become a
discussion about good cause

01:52:35.860 --> 01:52:37.100
for her default.

01:52:37.100 --> 01:52:39.460
Cameron, if we could go
back to the PowerPoint real fast.

01:52:39.460 --> 01:52:41.390
We don't do good cause
for defaults all that often,

01:52:41.390 --> 01:52:42.223
but we're doing two today.

01:52:42.223 --> 01:52:45.970
So I wanna try to walk
through what that means

01:52:45.970 --> 01:52:47.664
for what we're doing.

01:52:47.664 --> 01:52:49.560
Okay, so you have a rule that says,

01:52:49.560 --> 01:52:52.400
when someone is defaulted
they have the opportunity.

01:52:52.400 --> 01:52:54.140
If they have the opportunity
to come in front of the board

01:52:54.140 --> 01:52:56.880
and talk to you about
their reasons for default,

01:52:56.880 --> 01:52:57.950
they're good cause.

01:52:57.950 --> 01:53:02.126
But good cause for default
has to be... Thank you.

01:53:02.126 --> 01:53:03.260
Let me scan forward here.

01:53:03.260 --> 01:53:08.050
So good cause for defaults
has to be that someone's failure

01:53:08.050 --> 01:53:10.840
to show or to respond
was not intentional.

01:53:10.840 --> 01:53:14.110
It wasn't that they blew it
off or that they ignored it.

01:53:14.110 --> 01:53:17.240
It was the result of some
sort of accident or mistake.

01:53:17.240 --> 01:53:19.510
So in these, we're trying to parse.

01:53:19.510 --> 01:53:20.880
I mean, that's not a
particularly high threshold,

01:53:20.880 --> 01:53:22.270
but we are trying to
parse the difference

01:53:22.270 --> 01:53:24.702
between someone who
consciously overlooks,

01:53:24.702 --> 01:53:27.390
notices they're getting
information they have,

01:53:27.390 --> 01:53:30.030
decides not to show
up and then regrets it,

01:53:30.030 --> 01:53:31.820
as opposed to someone who is aware,

01:53:31.820 --> 01:53:35.450
but something happens
and they don't show up

01:53:35.450 --> 01:53:40.260
to the hearing or don't
write a written response

01:53:40.260 --> 01:53:43.663
as a result of that intervening thing.

01:53:44.700 --> 01:53:47.010
So the other thing, the
other piece of background

01:53:47.010 --> 01:53:48.780
I need to give you all is,

01:53:48.780 --> 01:53:53.092
what the SOAH electronic
filing system means to us.

01:53:53.092 --> 01:53:53.925
(chuckles)

01:53:53.925 --> 01:53:55.153
'Cause it's sort of a new world for us.

01:53:55.153 --> 01:53:58.010
SOAH has gone all
electronic in its service

01:53:58.010 --> 01:54:00.500
or its... It's has
an e-file system.

01:54:00.500 --> 01:54:01.840
So when we set up a case,

01:54:01.840 --> 01:54:04.070
when we file a notice
of hearing at SOAH,

01:54:04.070 --> 01:54:06.710
we put in educator information based

01:54:06.710 --> 01:54:08.670
on their educator record,

01:54:08.670 --> 01:54:10.430
which is what your
rules say we're gonna do.

01:54:10.430 --> 01:54:13.850
And educators required to
keep their address current

01:54:13.850 --> 01:54:16.480
in their educator
record and we rely on it,

01:54:16.480 --> 01:54:18.193
for all of their notice.

01:54:20.170 --> 01:54:22.680
The thing about SOAH
and pro se respondents

01:54:22.680 --> 01:54:27.100
is that SOAH only
serves the land address.

01:54:27.100 --> 01:54:30.380
They do not email anything
to a pro se respondent,

01:54:30.380 --> 01:54:31.900
unless the person they
respondent jumps through

01:54:31.900 --> 01:54:34.545
a bunch of hoops and gives a
bunch of very explicit consent.

01:54:34.545 --> 01:54:39.545
But as a result, if the
land address that we put in,

01:54:40.180 --> 01:54:43.123
because that's your address
of record is not correct,

01:54:43.123 --> 01:54:44.720
SOAH will send its orders,

01:54:44.720 --> 01:54:47.530
including orders setting
if the hearing gets reset,

01:54:47.530 --> 01:54:49.680
it will get sent to that address.

01:54:49.680 --> 01:54:53.360
So that system is gonna
impact both cases today.

01:54:53.360 --> 01:54:55.740
I just want to make
it clear how it works

01:54:56.610 --> 01:55:00.970
and the parts of it that we
can control the parts we can.

01:55:00.970 --> 01:55:02.873
So (chuckles) with that being said,

01:55:05.910 --> 01:55:07.508
I guess I can just stay on that slide.

01:55:07.508 --> 01:55:10.270
We are gonna hear first from...

01:55:10.270 --> 01:55:12.410
Well, the first thing I should
say before Ms. Samples

01:55:12.410 --> 01:55:14.487
comes up and discusses
her position on this is that,

01:55:14.487 --> 01:55:16.600
we are not here to
decide the merits today.

01:55:16.600 --> 01:55:18.080
That's the most important thing, right?

01:55:18.080 --> 01:55:20.930
We are only looking
at this small question.

01:55:20.930 --> 01:55:23.100
Does she have a good
excuse for not showing up

01:55:23.100 --> 01:55:23.933
to the hearing?

01:55:23.933 --> 01:55:26.260
That was not the result
of intentional action

01:55:26.260 --> 01:55:27.580
or conscious indifference.

01:55:27.580 --> 01:55:30.100
So any merits of this
case is something SOAH

01:55:30.100 --> 01:55:32.560
has to hear first before
it can come back to you.

01:55:32.560 --> 01:55:36.130
So again, if you were to find
that they do have good cause

01:55:36.130 --> 01:55:39.740
for having defaulted, we're
gonna remand to SOAH,

01:55:39.740 --> 01:55:41.450
have SOAH have a full hearing

01:55:41.450 --> 01:55:43.950
and then it will come
back to you on the merits.

01:55:43.950 --> 01:55:48.500
So please we can't discuss merits today.

01:55:48.500 --> 01:55:50.960
So if we start, we have
to ignore that information.

01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:52.720
Y'all can't vote on the merits today,

01:55:52.720 --> 01:55:54.580
'cause you don't have
a record in front of you.

01:55:54.580 --> 01:55:57.540
So please keep those
limitations in mind.

01:55:57.540 --> 01:55:59.203
But we'll start with Ms. Samples.

01:56:00.120 --> 01:56:01.283
Come on up Ms. Samples.

01:56:02.180 --> 01:56:04.380
So Ms. Samples will have 10
minutes to address the board.

01:56:04.380 --> 01:56:08.130
And then Mr. Hensley
who represented the board

01:56:08.130 --> 01:56:10.493
in this section will have
an opportunity to respond.

01:56:19.058 --> 01:56:21.780
<v Participant>Ms. Samples,
I'll have the timer over here</v>

01:56:21.780 --> 01:56:23.220
when you're done with your first round.

01:56:23.220 --> 01:56:25.820
I'll let you know how many
minutes you'll have left.

01:56:31.384 --> 01:56:32.868
<v ->Well, good morning everybody.</v>

01:56:32.868 --> 01:56:34.818
<v ->Ms. Samples make
sure your mic is on.</v>

01:56:35.851 --> 01:56:36.768
<v ->Oh, okay.</v>

01:56:40.609 --> 01:56:43.680
In the beginning,
when I had got the letter,

01:56:43.680 --> 01:56:46.700
I guess it becomes the COVID-19

01:56:46.700 --> 01:56:49.230
and they told me they was gonna call me

01:56:49.230 --> 01:56:50.280
to do a (indistinct).

01:56:51.447 --> 01:56:56.250
So I had also my background with respect

01:56:58.150 --> 01:57:01.510
to the initial TEA I missed hearing.

01:57:01.510 --> 01:57:04.795
On November 17th, 2020 responded file

01:57:04.795 --> 01:57:09.795
with the TEA court order
motion to postpone hearing.

01:57:12.440 --> 01:57:16.080
I also gave him a certified...

01:57:16.080 --> 01:57:21.080
I certified him, Kyle Robert Hansley.

01:57:23.622 --> 01:57:27.953
I certified him and the
certified number is 70201810,

01:57:31.300 --> 01:57:35.010
and also all the letter,

01:57:35.010 --> 01:57:40.010
I even email him the letter
and call him on November 13.

01:57:43.910 --> 01:57:48.220
Mr. Hansley, (clears throat) excuse me.

01:57:48.220 --> 01:57:52.680
He emailed me on
November 13th, 2020 at 10:55.

01:57:53.890 --> 01:57:57.860
Mr. Hensley email,
particularly that the court

01:57:59.617 --> 01:58:03.460
granted motion for consist
by the administrative

01:58:03.460 --> 01:58:06.600
law judge on the date on the email.

01:58:06.600 --> 01:58:09.163
I have one he had emailed me.

01:58:10.470 --> 01:58:14.610
And then I called him
back in like in January

01:58:14.610 --> 01:58:17.920
'cause my mom was in the hospital

01:58:17.920 --> 01:58:19.630
and I was taking care of my mom,

01:58:19.630 --> 01:58:21.700
and then I got sick.

01:58:21.700 --> 01:58:23.350
I had to be hospitalized,

01:58:23.350 --> 01:58:26.520
but for two weeks in
hospital with the COVID.

01:58:26.520 --> 01:58:28.940
And I called him and let him know,

01:58:28.940 --> 01:58:33.940
he said they was gonna
(clears throat) give me a date.

01:58:34.040 --> 01:58:36.010
I never got the letter.

01:58:36.010 --> 01:58:38.910
I got the letter, June the 14th.

01:58:38.910 --> 01:58:42.200
I just got the letter this week.

01:58:42.200 --> 01:58:47.200
And so all of the things
that I put it down here,

01:58:50.290 --> 01:58:52.650
the things that I talked to him about,

01:58:52.650 --> 01:58:55.830
the letter, the certification

01:58:55.830 --> 01:59:00.330
and the tracking on everything.

01:59:00.330 --> 01:59:03.967
So I was waiting for
him to give me a date.

01:59:03.967 --> 01:59:06.290
And like I said, once again,

01:59:06.290 --> 01:59:10.830
I just got there on a letter last week

01:59:10.830 --> 01:59:13.460
and it dated June the 14th.

01:59:13.460 --> 01:59:18.460
So I was here today to talk
about what had happened

01:59:20.410 --> 01:59:22.103
with this case.

01:59:23.400 --> 01:59:27.423
I work for Lancaster ISD
as a substitute teacher.

01:59:30.369 --> 01:59:32.536
On January the 28th, 2019,

01:59:38.238 --> 01:59:42.821
one of the coaches brought
the student in my classroom.

01:59:43.720 --> 01:59:45.470
<v ->We're getting to
the merits here?</v>

01:59:50.780 --> 01:59:51.613
<v ->Sorry about this.</v>

01:59:51.613 --> 01:59:53.620
We're gonna have to
just stick to the reasons

01:59:53.620 --> 01:59:55.700
for the non-response.

01:59:55.700 --> 01:59:56.533
<v ->Oh, okay.</v>

01:59:56.533 --> 01:59:57.714
I'm sorry.

01:59:57.714 --> 01:59:58.547
I'm sorry.

01:59:58.547 --> 01:59:59.960
I'm very sorry.

01:59:59.960 --> 02:00:01.350
Yes, but once again,

02:00:01.350 --> 02:00:06.350
I had (indistinct) got all the
documents and communication,

02:00:06.840 --> 02:00:10.800
the date, the time when
I talked to Mr. Hansley,

02:00:10.800 --> 02:00:14.770
I left several messages
and like I said, certified mail.

02:00:14.770 --> 02:00:19.770
And also I emailed
him this whole document

02:00:21.110 --> 02:00:24.710
and also put it in certified mail.

02:00:24.710 --> 02:00:26.720
So he could be aware of them.

02:00:29.406 --> 02:00:30.942
(indistinct)

02:00:30.942 --> 02:00:32.177
<v ->Okay, Cameron is indicating</v>

02:00:32.177 --> 02:00:34.430
you have six minutes remaining.

02:00:34.430 --> 02:00:35.600
Yes, sir.

02:00:35.600 --> 02:00:37.410
<v ->Board members this
case was originally set</v>

02:00:37.410 --> 02:00:39.843
for November 17th of last year.

02:00:40.800 --> 02:00:44.623
On November 12th of last year
Ms. Samples gave me a call.

02:00:46.120 --> 02:00:48.580
She informed me both she
and her mother were hospitalized

02:00:48.580 --> 02:00:49.413
because of COVID.

02:00:49.413 --> 02:00:52.110
Because of that, that's a
good reason for a continuance.

02:00:52.110 --> 02:00:56.920
Based on that, I
agreed to a continuance,

02:00:56.920 --> 02:00:59.720
I filed the (indistinct) learning that.

02:00:59.720 --> 02:01:04.620
SOAH wanted us to file a
status report by January 15th

02:01:04.620 --> 02:01:08.681
of this year as to what
status of the case was?

02:01:08.681 --> 02:01:09.950
And about reset dates.

02:01:09.950 --> 02:01:12.370
So on or about that date,

02:01:12.370 --> 02:01:15.410
I did call Ms. Samples and said,

02:01:15.410 --> 02:01:18.890
Ms. Samples, we've
got to agree to reset date.

02:01:18.890 --> 02:01:20.370
That's when Ms. Samples alerts me

02:01:20.370 --> 02:01:22.070
that her mother had died of COVID.

02:01:23.025 --> 02:01:24.016
(indistinct)

02:01:24.016 --> 02:01:24.849
And oh, I thought she did.

02:01:24.849 --> 02:01:25.682
I apologize, ma'am.

02:01:29.670 --> 02:01:32.164
So based on the death of her mother,

02:01:32.164 --> 02:01:34.950
that she was gonna need
more time to reset the case.

02:01:34.950 --> 02:01:37.030
And when I talked to
her on the phone that day,

02:01:37.030 --> 02:01:40.170
I said, Ms. Samples,
what April be enough time?

02:01:40.170 --> 02:01:41.690
Sometime in April will
be enough not time?

02:01:41.690 --> 02:01:43.720
Ms. Sample said, yes.

02:01:43.720 --> 02:01:47.690
I couldn't get a firm date
from her on that date.

02:01:47.690 --> 02:01:49.590
But what I did was on January 15th,

02:01:49.590 --> 02:01:51.200
I filed a status report

02:01:51.200 --> 02:01:53.820
to the State Office Administrative
Hearings asking them

02:01:53.820 --> 02:01:55.810
to reset it for one of
three dates in April,

02:01:55.810 --> 02:01:58.940
April 26th, April 27th, through 28th.

02:01:58.940 --> 02:02:00.900
I sent a copy of that status report,

02:02:00.900 --> 02:02:03.330
not only to SOAH, but
I sent to Ms. Samples.

02:02:03.330 --> 02:02:05.260
I sent it to her address of record

02:02:06.170 --> 02:02:10.080
and also sent it to a Yahoo
email address she gave us.

02:02:10.080 --> 02:02:12.800
Now this address of
record, I checked last night,

02:02:12.800 --> 02:02:15.990
this address record has
never changed from day one.

02:02:15.990 --> 02:02:17.910
Now Ms. Samples has the affirmative duty

02:02:17.910 --> 02:02:20.610
if her address of record
changes to let us know

02:02:20.610 --> 02:02:22.310
so we can update it in the system.

02:02:23.610 --> 02:02:24.443
She's never done that.

02:02:24.443 --> 02:02:27.323
The address of records remain
the same throughout this time.

02:02:28.613 --> 02:02:32.270
SOAH sends out the notice
of the subsequent hearing

02:02:32.270 --> 02:02:33.420
in April.

02:02:33.420 --> 02:02:35.433
I don't send that out,
SOAH sends that out.

02:02:36.380 --> 02:02:38.930
Because Ms. Samples is pro se,

02:02:38.930 --> 02:02:40.840
they're not gonna send
it out to an email address

02:02:40.840 --> 02:02:43.530
as they would if she was
represented by counsel,

02:02:43.530 --> 02:02:46.820
rather they send it to the
official address of record

02:02:46.820 --> 02:02:47.693
to Ms. Samples.

02:02:48.619 --> 02:02:50.780
So SOAH sent out that notice of record

02:02:50.780 --> 02:02:52.830
to Ms. Sample's address of record

02:02:52.830 --> 02:02:55.130
which she has a duty
to update and she didn't.

02:02:57.910 --> 02:03:00.610
And it's my understanding
that Ms. Samples

02:03:00.610 --> 02:03:04.930
has actually signed for
things at that address of record.

02:03:04.930 --> 02:03:07.530
It's my understanding
that she signed for our letter

02:03:07.530 --> 02:03:10.500
informing her that she was in
default and needed to appear

02:03:10.500 --> 02:03:11.890
or contest at today's hearing.

02:03:11.890 --> 02:03:15.320
So Ms. Samples was getting notice

02:03:15.320 --> 02:03:17.470
at that address of record,

02:03:17.470 --> 02:03:19.860
whether or not that's conscious
in difference on her part,

02:03:19.860 --> 02:03:21.020
board members that's up to you.

02:03:21.020 --> 02:03:23.100
But we did our part.

02:03:23.100 --> 02:03:24.600
We believe we gave her notice.

02:03:24.600 --> 02:03:27.383
And so I did send her notice
to her address of record.

02:03:31.420 --> 02:03:34.900
<v ->All right, Laura procedurally,</v>

02:03:34.900 --> 02:03:39.050
do we go back again or is
that concluded for now or?

02:03:39.050 --> 02:03:40.750
<v ->Ms. Samples
has additional time.</v>

02:03:42.402 --> 02:03:43.235
She the remaining time

02:03:43.235 --> 02:03:45.000
she can give her response (indistinct) .

02:03:45.000 --> 02:03:45.833
<v ->All right.</v>

02:03:46.800 --> 02:03:50.157
<v ->Okay, Mr. Hensley
was saying that...</v>

02:03:51.830 --> 02:03:52.775
<v ->The mic.</v>

02:03:52.775 --> 02:03:53.937
There you go.

02:03:53.937 --> 02:03:58.937
<v ->Mr. Hensley was saying
that he sent (clears throat)</v>

02:03:59.290 --> 02:04:01.320
the copies to my address,

02:04:01.320 --> 02:04:05.220
but I got copies came to the PO BOX.

02:04:05.220 --> 02:04:07.380
I have every document that he's sent

02:04:08.370 --> 02:04:13.370
and I have a document that I emailed him

02:04:13.590 --> 02:04:14.990
and I certified him.

02:04:14.990 --> 02:04:18.810
So I don't understand why I
could get it at the PO BOX,

02:04:18.810 --> 02:04:20.173
but not my address.

02:04:21.744 --> 02:04:25.770
And I told him, I said,
I verified my PO BOX.

02:04:25.770 --> 02:04:28.840
I verified my email to him.

02:04:28.840 --> 02:04:32.750
But every conversation
that we have, I dated,

02:04:32.750 --> 02:04:37.030
I write it down the time,
the date, and I put it,

02:04:37.030 --> 02:04:39.470
I asked him also put it like in an email

02:04:40.470 --> 02:04:45.041
and our communication
if I can't, (clears throat)

02:04:45.041 --> 02:04:45.874
excuse me.

02:04:45.874 --> 02:04:46.800
If I can't get him on the phone,

02:04:46.800 --> 02:04:49.180
I always leave a message to his phone,

02:04:49.180 --> 02:04:51.067
the time, the date that I have,

02:04:51.067 --> 02:04:53.490
or try to get in touch with him.

02:04:53.490 --> 02:04:58.490
So I was not ignoring
none of this at all,

02:04:58.570 --> 02:05:00.990
'cause I have every copy right here.

02:05:05.350 --> 02:05:06.940
<v ->All right.</v>

02:05:06.940 --> 02:05:09.830
At this point Laura is
appropriate to open it up

02:05:09.830 --> 02:05:11.390
to board questions?

02:05:11.390 --> 02:05:13.116
<v Laura>Absolutely, yeah,
the board has any questions</v>

02:05:13.116 --> 02:05:15.844
or you could entertain a
motion at the board (indistinct).

02:05:15.844 --> 02:05:16.844
<v ->All right.</v>

02:05:20.460 --> 02:05:21.970
<v ->Mr. Hensley, I'm
looking at the information</v>

02:05:21.970 --> 02:05:23.133
that was provided.

02:05:24.271 --> 02:05:26.688
(indistinct)

02:05:33.374 --> 02:05:36.950
There are two addresses
listed here for the respondent,

02:05:36.950 --> 02:05:38.020
Ms. Samples.

02:05:38.020 --> 02:05:42.590
One, is a physical address
of 1030 Explorer Street,

02:05:42.590 --> 02:05:45.920
Duncanville, Texas 75134.

02:05:45.920 --> 02:05:48.230
The other one appears to be a PO BOX.

02:05:48.230 --> 02:05:52.533
PO BOX 380404, Duncanville, Texas 75138.

02:05:55.680 --> 02:05:58.007
In your communications
with her (indistinct).

02:06:05.740 --> 02:06:07.940
<v ->Mr. Coleman, it
depended at the original</v>

02:06:08.930 --> 02:06:09.763
notice of hearing.

02:06:09.763 --> 02:06:12.070
I believe we sent it to
the physical address.

02:06:12.070 --> 02:06:13.670
Later on, we discovered in a packet

02:06:13.670 --> 02:06:17.210
from Duncanville ISD that there
was a PO BOX number as well.

02:06:17.210 --> 02:06:19.300
When we discovered
there's the PO BOX number

02:06:19.300 --> 02:06:20.470
and the additional documents,

02:06:20.470 --> 02:06:23.840
we tend to send things to
that additional document

02:06:23.840 --> 02:06:25.960
just as belts and suspenders.

02:06:25.960 --> 02:06:29.720
At this point, I also had
an email address for her

02:06:29.720 --> 02:06:33.320
and Mr. Coleman, I was
also most of the time emailing

02:06:33.320 --> 02:06:34.780
documents to her as well.

02:06:34.780 --> 02:06:35.730
Motions and things.

02:06:37.711 --> 02:06:39.760
<v ->So I just wanna
be clear on that,</v>

02:06:39.760 --> 02:06:42.283
whatever you sent to
the physical address,

02:06:43.120 --> 02:06:45.930
are you saying that you also
sent it to the PO BOX address

02:06:45.930 --> 02:06:46.763
as a backup?

02:06:48.287 --> 02:06:49.780
<v ->I think I did most
things, Mr. Coleman.</v>

02:06:49.780 --> 02:06:52.650
I have to go through
the entire file that...

02:06:54.253 --> 02:06:57.290
SOAH did not send the
notice to that PO BOX number.

02:06:57.290 --> 02:07:00.610
So it sent notice to
the physical address,

02:07:00.610 --> 02:07:02.150
which was your address of record.

02:07:02.150 --> 02:07:04.823
So I can't say what
SOAH did or not, sir.

02:07:08.525 --> 02:07:12.980
<v ->As far as your actions
you're not exactly entirely sure</v>

02:07:12.980 --> 02:07:14.980
of whether or not you
sent it to both the addresses

02:07:14.980 --> 02:07:15.980
or one or the other.

02:07:17.170 --> 02:07:21.440
<v ->I know the last communication
I had officially with her,</v>

02:07:21.440 --> 02:07:26.330
which is the status
report from January 15th

02:07:26.330 --> 02:07:28.300
that was sent to her address of record,

02:07:28.300 --> 02:07:30.600
plus her Yahoo email,

02:07:30.600 --> 02:07:34.453
which I've received emails
from her in the past few days.

02:07:38.220 --> 02:07:41.000
<v ->Okay, and you were
mentioning earlier</v>

02:07:41.000 --> 02:07:46.000
that you had proof that she
had received other things,

02:07:46.050 --> 02:07:49.070
was that other things through the PO BOX

02:07:49.070 --> 02:07:51.459
or other things through
the physical address?

02:07:51.459 --> 02:07:52.410
<v ->I said the physical
address, sir.</v>

02:07:52.410 --> 02:07:53.243
<v ->Okay.</v>

02:07:54.880 --> 02:07:55.713
All right.

02:07:57.290 --> 02:07:58.290
Any other questions?

02:08:01.690 --> 02:08:06.690
<v ->So the issue is to your
knowledge you didn't receive</v>

02:08:09.310 --> 02:08:13.220
this notification of the hearing,

02:08:13.220 --> 02:08:16.853
which SOAH sent to
your physical address?

02:08:18.160 --> 02:08:21.203
And to clarify this question then,

02:08:22.573 --> 02:08:27.573
SOAH doesn't send either
by email or to a PO BOX.

02:08:28.220 --> 02:08:29.190
So there's two questions.

02:08:29.190 --> 02:08:31.940
First question is, to your
knowledge you didn't receive

02:08:32.830 --> 02:08:37.410
the notification of the hearing
at your physical address,

02:08:37.410 --> 02:08:39.410
or were you not receiving
mail at the physical address

02:08:39.410 --> 02:08:40.300
at that point?

02:08:40.300 --> 02:08:41.133
<v ->Right, sir.</v>

02:08:41.133 --> 02:08:43.993
I haven't received it
at my physical address,

02:08:46.160 --> 02:08:51.160
but I received some mail
at the PO BOX all the time

02:08:51.460 --> 02:08:54.898
and through emails.

02:08:54.898 --> 02:08:58.030
And I have all the copies
right here and the date

02:08:59.740 --> 02:09:01.300
with the tracking numbers.

02:09:08.750 --> 02:09:10.530
<v ->Yes, Shareefahh.</v>

02:09:10.530 --> 02:09:11.363
Ms. Mason.

02:09:11.363 --> 02:09:15.274
<v ->Would certified mail be
able to be sent to a PO BOX?</v>

02:09:15.274 --> 02:09:16.590
(indistinct)

02:09:16.590 --> 02:09:19.240
So how would we figure
out who's signing forward

02:09:19.240 --> 02:09:20.673
if it's sent to a PO BOX?

02:09:22.339 --> 02:09:26.172
<v ->If they put a (indistinct).</v>

02:09:32.361 --> 02:09:34.000
<v ->So what was the change in,</v>

02:09:34.000 --> 02:09:37.240
because you've received documentation

02:09:37.240 --> 02:09:38.730
at the physical address as well.

02:09:38.730 --> 02:09:39.563
Correct?

02:09:39.563 --> 02:09:40.396
<v ->I have.</v>

02:09:40.396 --> 02:09:43.980
<v ->So you've received nothing
at the physical address,</v>

02:09:43.980 --> 02:09:45.970
even though he's saying
that there have been times

02:09:45.970 --> 02:09:47.470
that you've signed for?

02:09:47.470 --> 02:09:48.420
<v ->Yes, ma'am.</v>

02:09:48.420 --> 02:09:50.960
<v ->Items from at the
physical address.</v>

02:09:50.960 --> 02:09:51.910
<v ->Ma'am.</v>

02:09:51.910 --> 02:09:55.700
<v ->I said Mr. Hensley said that
you have signed four items</v>

02:09:55.700 --> 02:09:57.010
at the physical address?

02:09:57.010 --> 02:09:58.060
<v ->No, ma'am I did not.</v>

02:09:58.060 --> 02:10:01.030
That's incorrect assign it at the PO BOX

02:10:01.030 --> 02:10:03.563
because once they put it in my PO BOX,

02:10:04.817 --> 02:10:07.470
there is a code, I have
to go to the carrier,

02:10:07.470 --> 02:10:09.653
the main carrier upfront

02:10:09.653 --> 02:10:12.070
and then they can get
the mail find the back

02:10:12.070 --> 02:10:13.210
and sign like that.

02:10:13.210 --> 02:10:15.163
<v ->Okay, thank you.</v>

02:10:16.920 --> 02:10:17.830
<v ->Thank you, Ms. Mason.</v>

02:10:17.830 --> 02:10:21.083
Any other questions,
comments from anyone?

02:10:22.320 --> 02:10:23.440
Yes, Melissa.

02:10:23.440 --> 02:10:24.373
Ms. Isaacs.

02:10:26.690 --> 02:10:28.710
<v ->Ms. Samples, can
you confirm that,</v>

02:10:28.710 --> 02:10:30.683
this is your physical address?

02:10:31.750 --> 02:10:35.477
<v ->1030 Explorer Street,
Dancunville, Texas.</v>

02:10:35.477 --> 02:10:36.810
75137.

02:10:36.810 --> 02:10:37.643
<v ->Thank you.</v>

02:10:40.530 --> 02:10:43.040
<v ->Any other questions
or comments?</v>

02:10:43.040 --> 02:10:44.830
Yes. Ms. Mason.

02:10:44.830 --> 02:10:48.690
<v ->What did you just
call the zip code of?</v>

02:10:48.690 --> 02:10:50.790
Because it sounded
like it ended in seven.

02:10:51.942 --> 02:10:54.359
(indistinct)

02:10:56.100 --> 02:10:59.290
<v ->Okay, so this
isn't the correct zip</v>

02:11:01.330 --> 02:11:03.259
on the physical address.

02:11:03.259 --> 02:11:04.092
<v ->Correct.</v>

02:11:09.163 --> 02:11:10.460
<v ->Would you clarify that point?</v>

02:11:10.460 --> 02:11:11.460
I'm not looking at.

02:11:11.460 --> 02:11:14.950
<v ->So here it's listed as
1030 Explorer Street,</v>

02:11:14.950 --> 02:11:18.163
Duncanville, Texas 75134.

02:11:19.420 --> 02:11:22.230
And if she's saying she
hasn't received any mail

02:11:22.230 --> 02:11:24.700
at the address, of course,
that would be pursuant

02:11:24.700 --> 02:11:28.693
to the fact that the sip
code ends in seven not four.

02:11:35.930 --> 02:11:37.903
<v ->Any other comments
or questions?</v>

02:11:39.986 --> 02:11:41.403
<v ->(indistinct) information.</v>

02:11:42.312 --> 02:11:43.145
(indistinct)

02:11:43.145 --> 02:11:44.370
<v ->No, no, that's what we have on.</v>

02:11:44.370 --> 02:11:45.950
<v ->Well, that's what I'm saying.</v>

02:11:46.977 --> 02:11:49.977
75134 (indistinct).

02:11:53.290 --> 02:11:55.890
<v ->So let yell for them
75134 is the address</v>

02:11:55.890 --> 02:11:56.870
that is on our records.

02:11:56.870 --> 02:11:59.310
It's in her educator
record, we just confirmed it.

02:11:59.310 --> 02:12:01.440
So that's the address
that we're sending to?

02:12:01.440 --> 02:12:03.040
The thing I wanna make clear here

02:12:03.040 --> 02:12:04.550
is that we mailed.

02:12:04.550 --> 02:12:06.470
The notice of hearing to both addresses,

02:12:06.470 --> 02:12:08.503
we gave SOAH both of those addresses.

02:12:08.503 --> 02:12:10.240
SOAH only mails to one address.

02:12:10.240 --> 02:12:12.243
So it picked her address of record,

02:12:13.110 --> 02:12:16.310
which was this address
that was in the system.

02:12:16.310 --> 02:12:18.920
As Ms. Mason points out it's wrong,

02:12:18.920 --> 02:12:21.760
but educators have a
requirement to keep it up.

02:12:21.760 --> 02:12:24.390
Now, let me be clear that,

02:12:24.390 --> 02:12:26.040
you can remand this back to SOAH

02:12:26.040 --> 02:12:28.053
and we can get further proceedings.

02:12:30.169 --> 02:12:32.990
All we're weighing here is
the educator's requirement

02:12:32.990 --> 02:12:33.880
to keep their address up.

02:12:33.880 --> 02:12:36.920
And then SOAHs hunkiness
in that it only serves

02:12:36.920 --> 02:12:37.753
one address, right?

02:12:37.753 --> 02:12:39.790
'Cause we'd given them
the PO BOX as well.

02:12:39.790 --> 02:12:43.510
But so we'll always default
in its e-service system

02:12:43.510 --> 02:12:45.960
to pick just one address
and make it the address

02:12:45.960 --> 02:12:47.060
that's in our records.

02:12:47.958 --> 02:12:50.765
(indistinct)

02:12:50.765 --> 02:12:52.157
<v ->Yes, yes, ma'am.</v>

02:12:52.157 --> 02:12:54.200
You still have time.

02:12:54.200 --> 02:12:59.200
<v ->Okay, I gave Mr. Hensley
personally the PO BOX address,</v>

02:13:00.140 --> 02:13:05.140
and in Duncanville they
have like 75134, 75137

02:13:05.950 --> 02:13:07.520
and eight.

02:13:07.520 --> 02:13:12.520
But if he sent the letter
to the physical address,

02:13:12.940 --> 02:13:14.270
would it come back to him

02:13:14.270 --> 02:13:17.470
showing that mail has been returned

02:13:17.470 --> 02:13:20.570
and he never did explain or told me,

02:13:20.570 --> 02:13:25.533
Ms. Nelson, I had send you
this letter, but it came back.

02:13:26.670 --> 02:13:29.400
You know, that's why
I said I never received,

02:13:29.400 --> 02:13:33.903
I received everything
and the box and on email.

02:13:36.687 --> 02:13:39.104
(indistinct)

02:13:43.380 --> 02:13:45.160
<v ->To the extent the
board has questions</v>

02:13:45.160 --> 02:13:46.110
that's where we're at now.

02:13:46.110 --> 02:13:48.113
So we're just responding to questions.

02:13:51.510 --> 02:13:53.492
<v ->Yes, Dr. Brescia.</v>

02:13:53.492 --> 02:13:54.325
<v ->Please, very quickly,</v>

02:13:54.325 --> 02:13:56.880
if you could claim that
this address is faulty

02:13:56.880 --> 02:13:58.768
because it was zip code,

02:13:58.768 --> 02:14:00.180
the one digit in the zip code.

02:14:00.180 --> 02:14:04.450
Did you make an effort to
correct your official address

02:14:04.450 --> 02:14:05.283
on record?

02:14:06.917 --> 02:14:09.504
(indistinct)

02:14:09.504 --> 02:14:10.344
<v ->Yes, ma'am.</v>

02:14:10.344 --> 02:14:12.761
(indistinct)

02:14:26.670 --> 02:14:27.950
<v ->Ms. McDonalds.</v>

02:14:27.950 --> 02:14:30.009
<v ->That was my question as well.</v>

02:14:30.009 --> 02:14:31.290
As this has been over a year now,

02:14:31.290 --> 02:14:35.560
and I guess it's still hasn't
been updated so that, yeah,

02:14:35.560 --> 02:14:36.823
I noticed that as well.

02:14:37.862 --> 02:14:38.695
<v ->I see.</v>

02:14:38.695 --> 02:14:39.770
All right.

02:14:39.770 --> 02:14:41.490
Any other comments?

02:14:41.490 --> 02:14:42.350
Yes. Mr. Gore.

02:14:42.350 --> 02:14:45.903
<v ->A clarifying question
on the zip code.</v>

02:14:47.525 --> 02:14:50.153
The official record
shows incorrect zip code.

02:14:52.070 --> 02:14:55.980
Were you aware until today's
meeting that that zip code

02:14:55.980 --> 02:14:56.863
was incorrect?

02:14:58.220 --> 02:14:59.053
<v ->No, sir.</v>

02:14:59.053 --> 02:14:59.886
I was not.

02:15:00.813 --> 02:15:03.150
No sir, I was not aware of it.

02:15:03.150 --> 02:15:06.520
I mean, I get letters
all the time there.

02:15:06.520 --> 02:15:08.240
That's why I couldn't understand.

02:15:08.240 --> 02:15:10.350
He never did say that Ms. Nelson,

02:15:10.350 --> 02:15:12.907
we sent this to your physical address.

02:15:12.907 --> 02:15:17.907
'Cause I verified to
the PO BOX or email.

02:15:18.100 --> 02:15:21.620
That's how we mostly
had communicated all along

02:15:21.620 --> 02:15:23.250
and certified mail.

02:15:23.250 --> 02:15:28.250
'Cause I always make copies
when I sent him some mail

02:15:29.090 --> 02:15:30.623
or he would send me something.

02:15:31.682 --> 02:15:34.640
So he never did say
anything about sending nothing

02:15:34.640 --> 02:15:35.763
to that address.

02:15:36.860 --> 02:15:38.810
<v ->Chairman Kelly,
may I ask a question?</v>

02:15:40.010 --> 02:15:40.843
<v ->Yes, ma'am.</v>

02:15:46.467 --> 02:15:50.730
<v ->Mr. Hensley has SOAH sent
sent information to Ms. Samples</v>

02:15:50.730 --> 02:15:52.950
Explorer Street address?

02:15:52.950 --> 02:15:56.920
And if so, would they have
been using this Explorer Street

02:15:56.920 --> 02:16:01.920
address with the 75134
error zip code previously?

02:16:03.552 --> 02:16:04.930
<v ->No.</v>

02:16:04.930 --> 02:16:06.770
In my mind it's not an error

02:16:06.770 --> 02:16:09.670
because that's what she
gave us as her (indistinct).

02:16:09.670 --> 02:16:12.821
<v ->Would they have been
using the 75134 zip code?</v>

02:16:12.821 --> 02:16:15.404
<v ->(indistinct)</v>

02:16:17.960 --> 02:16:19.543
Talked about they would have pick that,

02:16:19.543 --> 02:16:22.170
because they pick a physical
address over a PO BOX

02:16:22.170 --> 02:16:24.670
every single time when
they're serving the pro se.

02:16:26.460 --> 02:16:29.860
<v ->Is it your understanding
that they would have mailed</v>

02:16:29.860 --> 02:16:33.020
any communication
to her at that address?

02:16:33.020 --> 02:16:33.853
<v ->Yes, ma'am.</v>

02:16:36.180 --> 02:16:38.470
<v ->And thank you for that.</v>

02:16:38.470 --> 02:16:43.090
And M. Samples, you mentioned
that your address zip code

02:16:43.090 --> 02:16:46.730
was 75137 or 138.

02:16:46.730 --> 02:16:48.480
Is it your understanding
that your address

02:16:48.480 --> 02:16:50.343
might have more than one zip code?

02:16:51.761 --> 02:16:53.900
(indistinct)

02:16:53.900 --> 02:16:56.140
<v ->The area in Duncanville?</v>

02:16:56.140 --> 02:17:00.121
I've lived in areas that
have kind of on cusps.

02:17:00.121 --> 02:17:03.521
<v ->The area in Duncanville
has multiple zip codes.</v>

02:17:03.521 --> 02:17:06.040
(indistinct)

02:17:06.040 --> 02:17:07.610
<v ->Is 134 one of those zip codes?</v>

02:17:07.610 --> 02:17:08.443
<v ->Yes.</v>

02:17:09.620 --> 02:17:10.453
<v ->Thank you.</v>

02:17:15.750 --> 02:17:17.820
<v ->Yes, Ms. Mason.</v>

02:17:17.820 --> 02:17:22.820
<v ->My only concern is that if we
know SOAH is going to serve</v>

02:17:24.820 --> 02:17:26.730
to a physical address,

02:17:26.730 --> 02:17:30.290
then we should serve all of our mail

02:17:30.290 --> 02:17:31.840
through that same structure.

02:17:31.840 --> 02:17:34.470
If we are sending to PO BOX,

02:17:34.470 --> 02:17:36.290
and that's what she's used to receiving

02:17:36.290 --> 02:17:39.400
every time she's gotten mail,

02:17:39.400 --> 02:17:42.080
it has come through the PO BOX address

02:17:42.080 --> 02:17:46.050
and rightfully so as
Mr. Hensley has stated

02:17:46.050 --> 02:17:48.750
she didn't update her information,

02:17:48.750 --> 02:17:53.750
but there was still a good
address on file with the PO box.

02:17:54.140 --> 02:17:58.230
Then it seems to me that there
needs to be some consistency

02:17:58.230 --> 02:18:01.200
so that we are able to really
make sure that everything

02:18:01.200 --> 02:18:05.763
is being sent correctly
and we can track it better.

02:18:07.890 --> 02:18:08.723
<v ->Mr. Coleman.</v>

02:18:08.723 --> 02:18:09.859
Yes, sir.

02:18:09.859 --> 02:18:11.080
<v ->And Ms. Mason touched
on what I was getting at about</v>

02:18:11.080 --> 02:18:11.913
asking you,

02:18:14.060 --> 02:18:16.140
if you use one or both
of these addresses?

02:18:16.140 --> 02:18:17.530
Because what I was getting at is whether

02:18:17.530 --> 02:18:20.100
or not she had formed
some reasonable expectation

02:18:20.100 --> 02:18:23.320
of receiving notices
rightfully or wrongfully,

02:18:23.320 --> 02:18:25.670
if she'd formed some
expectation of receiving notices

02:18:25.670 --> 02:18:28.180
at the PO BOX and then kind of inferred

02:18:28.180 --> 02:18:31.412
that she'd be receiving
those notices from SOAH

02:18:31.412 --> 02:18:32.500
at the PO BOX as well?

02:18:32.500 --> 02:18:33.930
That's what I was getting at.

02:18:33.930 --> 02:18:36.070
I think what we've got
here from tech years

02:18:36.070 --> 02:18:39.150
to it was an instance
where the respondent

02:18:39.150 --> 02:18:42.400
should have made sure that
her official address of record

02:18:42.400 --> 02:18:44.350
including the zip code
should have been updated,

02:18:44.350 --> 02:18:46.380
but there is at least in my mind,

02:18:46.380 --> 02:18:50.467
an argument to made that it
was reasonable on her part

02:18:53.560 --> 02:18:58.560
not that she didn't receive
notice to or physical address

02:18:58.740 --> 02:19:00.090
based on the circumstances.

02:19:04.120 --> 02:19:05.323
<v ->Yes, Ms. Streepey.</v>

02:19:07.132 --> 02:19:08.180
<v ->Thank you, Chairman Kelly.</v>

02:19:08.180 --> 02:19:12.800
It seems like that there
was a good faith effort

02:19:12.800 --> 02:19:16.290
made in November that was timely,

02:19:16.290 --> 02:19:20.530
and then a good faith effort
on Mr. Hensley's part as well

02:19:20.530 --> 02:19:24.240
to accommodate a year
of COVID and disease.

02:19:24.240 --> 02:19:27.190
And that the communication is the issue.

02:19:27.190 --> 02:19:32.190
And so, I would say that there
might be some consideration

02:19:33.360 --> 02:19:36.720
for letting this case go
on through the process,

02:19:36.720 --> 02:19:40.560
because there was a good
faith effort on everyone's part,

02:19:40.560 --> 02:19:42.560
but a communication error in the middle.

02:19:43.437 --> 02:19:44.270
<v ->Great.</v>

02:19:45.300 --> 02:19:46.420
I appreciate.

02:19:46.420 --> 02:19:48.310
Any.... Yes, Superintendent Kim.

02:19:49.184 --> 02:19:51.500
<v ->Just one question
out of curiosity.</v>

02:19:51.500 --> 02:19:54.510
When an educator has
to update the record,

02:19:54.510 --> 02:19:56.790
is it through the school
district or through the TEA,

02:19:56.790 --> 02:19:58.270
or what process is that?

02:19:58.270 --> 02:20:01.320
'Cause I'm kinda confused
as what point of entry

02:20:01.320 --> 02:20:03.250
is that at a certain point?

02:20:03.250 --> 02:20:06.218
<v ->Sure, they have to go
online to the TEA system</v>

02:20:06.218 --> 02:20:07.420
and go into their educator record,

02:20:07.420 --> 02:20:09.850
their educator profile and
update their address there.

02:20:09.850 --> 02:20:13.090
Every time when you pay your fees,

02:20:13.090 --> 02:20:13.923
it will ask you,

02:20:13.923 --> 02:20:16.200
one of the questions it asks you is,

02:20:16.200 --> 02:20:18.470
is your address of record accurate?

02:20:18.470 --> 02:20:20.980
Is your email address
accurate to remind folks

02:20:20.980 --> 02:20:23.140
that this is an obligation.

02:20:23.140 --> 02:20:26.840
I did wanna say, just to
clarify to Ms. Mason's question,

02:20:26.840 --> 02:20:29.880
we send the notice of
hearing to all the addresses

02:20:29.880 --> 02:20:30.820
on record.

02:20:30.820 --> 02:20:32.330
It ends up in the SOAH.

02:20:32.330 --> 02:20:35.950
That's what's weird about
this new SOAH system, right?

02:20:35.950 --> 02:20:37.540
Is that rather than sending orders

02:20:37.540 --> 02:20:40.380
to all of those addresses,
SOAH is now picking.

02:20:40.380 --> 02:20:42.917
So it's gonna have to cause
us to change our procedures

02:20:42.917 --> 02:20:45.310
and how we deal with these cases,

02:20:45.310 --> 02:20:48.521
because even when our efforts like,

02:20:48.521 --> 02:20:50.270
Mr. Hensley was serving her by email,

02:20:50.270 --> 02:20:51.980
she's getting the emails that's working,

02:20:51.980 --> 02:20:54.200
SOAH won't serve by email to a pro se.

02:20:54.200 --> 02:20:58.967
So it's just gonna take a
change in our (indistinct).

02:21:01.000 --> 02:21:03.870
<v ->Mr. Chairman, just as just
to add on to just my question</v>

02:21:03.870 --> 02:21:04.920
there, just to.

02:21:04.920 --> 02:21:07.630
And then board members I
know you very aware of this,

02:21:07.630 --> 02:21:11.590
but with the number of
teachers in our state of Texas,

02:21:11.590 --> 02:21:13.633
for any entity to keep
up with all of those things,

02:21:13.633 --> 02:21:17.330
there's certainly a responsibility
I think on every educator

02:21:17.330 --> 02:21:19.760
or administrator to
make sure that is done

02:21:19.760 --> 02:21:23.260
just as much as of course
being very thoughtful about.

02:21:23.260 --> 02:21:24.960
You know, working with the individual,

02:21:24.960 --> 02:21:26.600
if it's once it's notified.

02:21:26.600 --> 02:21:29.390
So I think that's a balance

02:21:29.390 --> 02:21:31.230
that I think should be preserved.

02:21:31.230 --> 02:21:35.470
I think adding onto additional
pressures of any system

02:21:35.470 --> 02:21:38.690
to do that will I think create
unintended consequences,

02:21:38.690 --> 02:21:41.353
I think we need to be very
careful about that situation.

02:21:42.770 --> 02:21:43.603
<v ->Very good.</v>

02:21:44.670 --> 02:21:46.770
Any other comments at this point?

02:21:46.770 --> 02:21:49.170
Any other discussion, comments?

02:21:49.170 --> 02:21:50.840
All right, is someone Mr. Coleman

02:21:50.840 --> 02:21:55.020
or someone else ready
to make a motion on this?

02:21:55.020 --> 02:21:56.876
<v ->Yeah, I'll make a motion.</v>

02:21:56.876 --> 02:21:59.310
(indistinct)

02:21:59.310 --> 02:22:03.377
<v ->Can I pick did or did not
and I will update as you speak.</v>

02:22:04.980 --> 02:22:09.070
<v ->I move that Alecia Doss did...</v>

02:22:09.070 --> 02:22:10.560
<v ->I'm sorry, it
should be Samples.</v>

02:22:10.560 --> 02:22:11.400
Excuse me.

02:22:11.400 --> 02:22:13.956
<v ->Yeah, okay.</v>

02:22:13.956 --> 02:22:14.789
(indistinct)

02:22:14.789 --> 02:22:19.670
<v ->I move that Alecia
Samples did have good cause</v>

02:22:19.670 --> 02:22:23.420
for failing to appear
at the State Office

02:22:23.420 --> 02:22:27.900
of Administrative Hearings
on April 26th, 2020.

02:22:27.900 --> 02:22:29.500
<v ->Thank you, Mr. Coleman.</v>

02:22:29.500 --> 02:22:30.390
Is there a second?

02:22:30.390 --> 02:22:32.813
And yes, I see a second from Mr. Dvorak.

02:22:35.810 --> 02:22:36.910
(indistinct)

02:22:36.910 --> 02:22:38.070
<v ->It's not necessarily
a discussion.</v>

02:22:38.070 --> 02:22:40.790
I just wanna make
sure that we're clear here

02:22:40.790 --> 02:22:43.010
as at least as to my position here.

02:22:43.010 --> 02:22:45.618
I don't wanna open the door
for each and every educator

02:22:45.618 --> 02:22:47.500
to walk in here and say,

02:22:47.500 --> 02:22:49.220
even though they didn't
update their address,

02:22:49.220 --> 02:22:52.910
like they're supposed to
and say that that's justification

02:22:52.910 --> 02:22:53.860
for good cause.

02:22:53.860 --> 02:22:58.040
I think there are some
particular facts and issues

02:22:58.040 --> 02:22:58.970
in this situation,

02:22:58.970 --> 02:23:03.680
particularly this business
about being able to rely

02:23:03.680 --> 02:23:06.290
on the postal box
for alternative service

02:23:06.290 --> 02:23:11.290
and also that typo in the zip
code and this Duncanville area

02:23:12.210 --> 02:23:15.470
being kinda nebulous as far
as having multiple zip codes.

02:23:15.470 --> 02:23:17.700
I just wanna make sure that
we're not opening the door

02:23:17.700 --> 02:23:19.850
for each and every
educator to walk in here

02:23:22.370 --> 02:23:24.060
claiming that that's a
sufficient good cause.

02:23:24.060 --> 02:23:24.974
<v ->All right.</v>

02:23:24.974 --> 02:23:26.656
Thank you, Dr. Coleman.

02:23:26.656 --> 02:23:27.656
<v ->It's true.</v>

02:23:28.537 --> 02:23:31.990
I just wanna make sure that
Ms. Samples that are hand up,

02:23:31.990 --> 02:23:33.280
just make sure that we...

02:23:34.180 --> 02:23:36.330
If there's any minutes left in our time

02:23:36.330 --> 02:23:38.130
to give her some time
to finish your comments,

02:23:38.130 --> 02:23:39.801
I guess I know she had her hand out,

02:23:39.801 --> 02:23:41.234
so that's all I wanted to say.

02:23:41.234 --> 02:23:43.210
I know she had 10 minutes, but.

02:23:43.210 --> 02:23:44.564
<v ->Point of order Dr. Kim,</v>

02:23:44.564 --> 02:23:46.340
I think we've moved on from that aspect

02:23:46.340 --> 02:23:48.010
and we've already taken a vote.

02:23:48.010 --> 02:23:48.843
<v ->All right.</v>

02:23:51.640 --> 02:23:52.690
I agree.

02:23:52.690 --> 02:23:56.310
At this point, I think it
sounds like from listening

02:23:56.310 --> 02:24:01.030
to everybody that they're
ready to make a decision.

02:24:01.030 --> 02:24:02.833
Any further discussion points.

02:24:04.470 --> 02:24:06.610
Yes, that's Ms. Isaacs.

02:24:06.610 --> 02:24:07.830
<v ->I have one more.</v>

02:24:07.830 --> 02:24:12.460
If we do allow Ms. Samples to go back

02:24:12.460 --> 02:24:14.110
and go through the SOAH hearings,

02:24:16.680 --> 02:24:20.580
how do we make sure or ensure
that you do go in Ms. Samples

02:24:20.580 --> 02:24:23.630
and change your information
and your addresses

02:24:23.630 --> 02:24:27.083
so that you will be
getting the notifications?

02:24:29.960 --> 02:24:34.960
<v ->Yes, I will do that because
also that's how Mr. Hensley</v>

02:24:35.280 --> 02:24:36.880
knew about the PO BOX,

02:24:36.880 --> 02:24:39.007
because I already had told him that,

02:24:39.007 --> 02:24:43.383
you know, he could send
it to the P.O BOX or email,

02:24:46.040 --> 02:24:49.950
but I will go back in
and update everything.

02:24:49.950 --> 02:24:51.600
So we could be on the same page,

02:24:51.600 --> 02:24:54.590
but that's how I got all the information

02:24:54.590 --> 02:24:56.700
when he sent through the PO BOX.

02:24:56.700 --> 02:25:01.550
'Cause he never said
anything about that the Explorer,

02:25:01.550 --> 02:25:03.133
he sent it to the address,

02:25:04.431 --> 02:25:07.940
and he never asked him to
come back or did I receive it,

02:25:07.940 --> 02:25:08.780
or anything.

02:25:08.780 --> 02:25:09.680
<v ->Okay, thank you.</v>

02:25:14.007 --> 02:25:15.349
<v ->Yeah, one more.</v>

02:25:15.349 --> 02:25:16.363
Yes, Dr.

02:25:17.270 --> 02:25:19.830
<v ->Before we vote Mr. Chairman,</v>

02:25:19.830 --> 02:25:22.530
just to make sure that as Tommy said,

02:25:22.530 --> 02:25:25.680
that there was precedent
set here in the sense that...

02:25:27.380 --> 02:25:29.683
Well, the rules at the time,

02:25:30.558 --> 02:25:32.270
the SOAH rules should be considered

02:25:32.270 --> 02:25:37.120
and did the respondent
follow those rules?

02:25:37.120 --> 02:25:39.780
But I think it's further
obfuscated by the fact

02:25:39.780 --> 02:25:43.820
that there was communication
back and forth with the PO BOX,

02:25:43.820 --> 02:25:48.820
as opposed to the land
address and the email,

02:25:48.820 --> 02:25:51.493
all that sir it serves as,

02:25:52.410 --> 02:25:54.850
well, kinda confusing elements.

02:25:54.850 --> 02:25:57.000
But I do believe that
there was some good faith

02:25:57.000 --> 02:26:00.593
involved here that we have
to consider as well, equally.

02:26:01.490 --> 02:26:02.323
<v ->Very good.</v>

02:26:02.323 --> 02:26:03.520
Thank you sir.

02:26:03.520 --> 02:26:04.970
Anything else before we vote?

02:26:06.070 --> 02:26:09.630
All right, you've seen the
motion they're up on the screen

02:26:09.630 --> 02:26:11.330
as pronounced by Mr. Coleman.

02:26:11.330 --> 02:26:13.690
Those in favor of this
motion would you so signify

02:26:13.690 --> 02:26:15.040
by raising your right hand.

02:26:16.120 --> 02:26:17.530
And all right.

02:26:17.530 --> 02:26:19.713
And those opposed same sign.

02:26:21.160 --> 02:26:23.413
Superintendent Kim is opposed.

02:26:26.400 --> 02:26:29.290
All right, I would
characterize this decision

02:26:29.290 --> 02:26:30.690
as a benefit of the doubt.

02:26:30.690 --> 02:26:33.700
And as Mr. Coleman is pointed out,

02:26:33.700 --> 02:26:36.650
the merits of the case will
be discussed at a further time.

02:26:37.540 --> 02:26:38.500
All right, thank you.

02:26:38.500 --> 02:26:40.157
And back to Laura.

02:26:40.157 --> 02:26:41.740
<v ->So I'm afraid y'all
have one more motion</v>

02:26:41.740 --> 02:26:42.573
to consider there.

02:26:42.573 --> 02:26:45.017
We need to explicitly move
to remand it back to SOAH

02:26:47.150 --> 02:26:48.700
so we can send it back to SOAH.

02:26:49.600 --> 02:26:51.590
<v ->All right, would someone like?</v>

02:26:51.590 --> 02:26:56.590
<v ->I moved that docket number
is 701-21-0291 EC, TEA</v>

02:27:01.400 --> 02:27:03.620
versus Alecia Samples be remanded back

02:27:03.620 --> 02:27:05.490
to the State Office of
Administrative Hearings

02:27:05.490 --> 02:27:07.130
for further proceedings.

02:27:07.130 --> 02:27:09.130
<v ->Thank you, Mr. Coleman,
do I have a second on that?</v>

02:27:09.130 --> 02:27:10.970
Yes, I do from Mr. Dvorak.

02:27:11.960 --> 02:27:13.293
Any further discussion?

02:27:14.540 --> 02:27:16.460
Hearing none those
in favor of this motion

02:27:16.460 --> 02:27:18.743
please signify by
raising your right hand.

02:27:19.840 --> 02:27:22.000
Those opposed same sign.

02:27:22.000 --> 02:27:24.313
Motion carries unanimously.

02:27:26.460 --> 02:27:27.293
All right.

02:27:27.293 --> 02:27:28.126
Thank you.

02:27:28.126 --> 02:27:29.357
Laura.

02:27:29.357 --> 02:27:30.830
<v ->So now we are onto the
matter of Christopher Doss,</v>

02:27:30.830 --> 02:27:32.733
which is another good cause question.

02:27:33.630 --> 02:27:34.882
Mr. Doss, isn't here.

02:27:34.882 --> 02:27:36.580
He sent in a written
request for reconsideration.

02:27:36.580 --> 02:27:39.260
So I am gonna be essentially presenting

02:27:39.260 --> 02:27:40.500
what happened here.

02:27:40.500 --> 02:27:41.840
Mr. Duncan did the case for us.

02:27:41.840 --> 02:27:43.710
So if we have any questions
about the specifics of it,

02:27:43.710 --> 02:27:44.543
he's here to help,

02:27:44.543 --> 02:27:47.576
but it's a sort of similar situation.

02:27:47.576 --> 02:27:50.480
So when we did the notice of hearing,

02:27:50.480 --> 02:27:52.337
we had an address of record for Mr. Doss

02:27:52.337 --> 02:27:54.480
and his educator profile.

02:27:54.480 --> 02:27:56.490
We sent the notice of
hearing to that address,

02:27:56.490 --> 02:27:59.230
we put that address
into his SOAH records,

02:27:59.230 --> 02:28:01.310
so that would be what
SOAH served him with.

02:28:01.310 --> 02:28:03.480
Mr. Doss received the notice of hearing

02:28:03.480 --> 02:28:05.100
and responded back to us to tell us

02:28:05.100 --> 02:28:06.380
that he was about to move.

02:28:06.380 --> 02:28:08.590
And he had a new address
that we were gonna get in,

02:28:08.590 --> 02:28:11.540
and his email address
of record was also wrong.

02:28:11.540 --> 02:28:13.610
He gave us a new email address.

02:28:13.610 --> 02:28:17.150
We resent the notice of
hearing to his new address.

02:28:17.150 --> 02:28:20.000
So he got that,

02:28:20.000 --> 02:28:22.520
but we neglected to change his address

02:28:22.520 --> 02:28:24.880
within the official SOAH system.

02:28:24.880 --> 02:28:28.040
Now, Mr. Doss also
neglected to change his address

02:28:28.040 --> 02:28:30.090
within the official
educator profile system.

02:28:30.090 --> 02:28:30.940
It's remained the same.

02:28:30.940 --> 02:28:32.440
It's still wrong today.

02:28:32.440 --> 02:28:34.800
But we then corresponded with him

02:28:34.800 --> 02:28:37.060
both at that new mailing address,

02:28:37.060 --> 02:28:40.260
and by email to his new email address.

02:28:40.260 --> 02:28:43.410
Now we had a similar
problem and a similar resetting

02:28:43.410 --> 02:28:44.243
this time.

02:28:44.243 --> 02:28:46.700
This case was set during
"Snowmageddon". (chuckles)

02:28:46.700 --> 02:28:48.890
And so it got continued.

02:28:48.890 --> 02:28:51.490
And this, again, the SOAH
order continuing the case

02:28:51.490 --> 02:28:54.140
to a new date didn't make it to Mr. Doss

02:28:54.140 --> 02:28:57.160
because his mailing
address was not correct

02:28:57.160 --> 02:28:59.577
in the SOAH profile system.

02:28:59.577 --> 02:29:02.380
But we could again argue
that his mailing address

02:29:02.380 --> 02:29:04.740
is not correct in our
official educator profile,

02:29:04.740 --> 02:29:07.590
but because we had been
corresponding with him

02:29:07.590 --> 02:29:09.917
and we knew that he had a new address,

02:29:09.917 --> 02:29:13.620
staff feels that the appropriate
thing to do is to remand

02:29:13.620 --> 02:29:14.680
this back to SOAH.

02:29:14.680 --> 02:29:18.360
So that is our
recommendation on this one.

02:29:18.360 --> 02:29:20.830
<v ->Laura, just a
technical point there.</v>

02:29:20.830 --> 02:29:23.020
Why is it that at your level,

02:29:23.020 --> 02:29:24.610
you can already make that decision

02:29:24.610 --> 02:29:29.540
without having to bring it
forward to us since it's...

02:29:30.550 --> 02:29:32.400
<v ->We don't have any
rules in place that allow me</v>

02:29:32.400 --> 02:29:35.200
to remand something
back if it is already defaulted.

02:29:35.200 --> 02:29:37.730
Once it's defaulted, it's
out of SOAH's jurisdiction,

02:29:37.730 --> 02:29:39.290
it's becoming your jurisdiction.

02:29:39.290 --> 02:29:42.090
So we're basically having
you punt it back to SOAH.

02:29:42.090 --> 02:29:45.150
I have to bring it in front
of you that to get it punted.

02:29:45.150 --> 02:29:46.750
<v ->Okay.</v>

02:29:46.750 --> 02:29:49.260
Any questions on this matter?

02:29:49.260 --> 02:29:52.363
And Cameron, she's
got our motion up there.

02:29:55.010 --> 02:29:57.220
And what's recommended
from staff at this point

02:29:57.220 --> 02:29:59.260
is the did not the did not.

02:29:59.260 --> 02:30:00.430
<v Laura>That's accurate.</v>

02:30:00.430 --> 02:30:03.700
<v Dr. Kelly>All right,
is anyone wishing</v>

02:30:03.700 --> 02:30:05.283
to make a motion on this item?

02:30:07.671 --> 02:30:10.360
<v ->Mr. Chair, I can
make the motion.</v>

02:30:10.360 --> 02:30:13.570
I move that Christopher
Doss did have a good cause

02:30:13.570 --> 02:30:15.460
for failing to appear
at the State Office

02:30:15.460 --> 02:30:19.493
of Administrative
Hearings on May 18, 2021.

02:30:21.736 --> 02:30:24.153
(indistinct)

02:30:40.157 --> 02:30:41.570
<v ->So then we have
your second motion</v>

02:30:41.570 --> 02:30:42.950
remanding it back to SOAH.

02:30:45.040 --> 02:30:46.510
<v ->All right, Superintendent Kim,</v>

02:30:46.510 --> 02:30:48.060
you wanna try that one as well?

02:30:49.820 --> 02:30:50.653
<v ->Absolutely.</v>

02:30:50.653 --> 02:30:51.486
Yes, sir.

02:30:51.486 --> 02:30:55.767
I move that docket number
is 701-21-0542.EC, TEA

02:31:00.240 --> 02:31:02.890
versus Christopher Doss be remanded back

02:31:02.890 --> 02:31:05.170
to the State Office of
Administrative Hearings

02:31:05.170 --> 02:31:06.480
for further proceedings.

02:31:06.480 --> 02:31:07.313
<v ->All right, thank you.</v>

02:31:07.313 --> 02:31:09.103
And we have a second from Mr. Dvorak.

02:31:10.540 --> 02:31:13.343
Any discussion on that motion?

02:31:14.710 --> 02:31:15.550
All right, hearing none.

02:31:15.550 --> 02:31:16.520
Those in favor of the motion,

02:31:16.520 --> 02:31:18.733
please signify by
raising your right hand.

02:31:19.650 --> 02:31:22.313
Those opposed to the motion same sign.

02:31:24.090 --> 02:31:26.570
Motion carries unanimously.

02:31:26.570 --> 02:31:27.820
Laura.

02:31:27.820 --> 02:31:29.610
<v ->So now we're onto
contested cases.</v>

02:31:29.610 --> 02:31:31.670
And normally this is when I
would launch into my speech

02:31:31.670 --> 02:31:33.730
about how the oral arguments gonna work.

02:31:33.730 --> 02:31:36.070
But I believe that
neither of the respondents

02:31:36.070 --> 02:31:37.463
are here today.

02:31:38.330 --> 02:31:41.133
Is either Angie Word or
Jacob Humphreys here?

02:31:42.660 --> 02:31:44.570
So neither of them are here,

02:31:44.570 --> 02:31:47.460
which means that unless
the board wants oral argument,

02:31:47.460 --> 02:31:49.280
we could vote these as a block.

02:31:49.280 --> 02:31:52.287
Staff's recommendation is to
accept the ALJ's recommendation

02:31:52.287 --> 02:31:55.830
and both situations we're
not recommending changes

02:31:55.830 --> 02:31:56.733
to anything.

02:31:57.810 --> 02:31:59.530
So it would be a simple motion

02:31:59.530 --> 02:32:00.610
if that's the way you wanna take it.

02:32:00.610 --> 02:32:02.820
If we prefer to split these
out and consider them

02:32:02.820 --> 02:32:04.030
separately, we can do that.

02:32:04.030 --> 02:32:06.530
And obviously there's TEA
attorneys who handled them

02:32:06.530 --> 02:32:08.259
are here to answer
any questions you have.

02:32:08.259 --> 02:32:09.770
<v ->All right.</v>

02:32:09.770 --> 02:32:12.310
I'd like to know your
preferences board members.

02:32:12.310 --> 02:32:14.570
Preference either for separating

02:32:14.570 --> 02:32:17.063
or keeping them together
and making a motion?

02:32:18.660 --> 02:32:19.800
Mr. Coleman.

02:32:19.800 --> 02:32:21.930
<v ->I'd like to make a motion.</v>

02:32:21.930 --> 02:32:23.520
<v ->All right, Mr. Coleman,
we're ready.</v>

02:32:23.520 --> 02:32:24.353
Please proceed.

02:32:25.848 --> 02:32:28.150
(indistinct)

02:32:28.150 --> 02:32:29.460
<v ->Cameron points out.</v>

02:32:29.460 --> 02:32:30.293
I'm sorry.

02:32:30.293 --> 02:32:31.390
Cameron points out
that it will be cleaner

02:32:31.390 --> 02:32:34.530
from our order standpoint
from drafting the orders

02:32:34.530 --> 02:32:37.520
if we vote them separately
to have separate sanctions.

02:32:37.520 --> 02:32:38.853
<v ->All right, Mr. Coleman.</v>

02:32:38.853 --> 02:32:39.686
(indistinct)

02:32:39.686 --> 02:32:40.519
<v ->Yeah, so.</v>

02:32:42.160 --> 02:32:46.753
<v ->I call the order docket
number is 701-21-0058.EC,</v>

02:32:50.650 --> 02:32:52.700
State Board of Educator Certification

02:32:52.700 --> 02:32:54.053
versus Angie Word.

02:32:55.560 --> 02:32:58.220
I move that the board accept
the proposal for decision

02:32:58.220 --> 02:33:01.760
and issue a final order
consistent with the ALJs

02:33:01.760 --> 02:33:02.890
recommendation.

02:33:02.890 --> 02:33:06.940
Ms. Word's educators
certificates should be suspended

02:33:09.641 --> 02:33:10.695
for one year.

02:33:10.695 --> 02:33:11.820
<v ->Thank you, Mr. Coleman.</v>

02:33:11.820 --> 02:33:14.090
Do I have a second to that motion?

02:33:14.090 --> 02:33:16.673
Dr. Brescia seconds that motion.

02:33:18.400 --> 02:33:20.673
Is there any discussion on this item?

02:33:22.190 --> 02:33:24.000
All right, those in
favor of this motion,

02:33:24.000 --> 02:33:26.133
please signify by
raising your right hand.

02:33:27.340 --> 02:33:30.600
Those opposed to the motion same sign.

02:33:30.600 --> 02:33:32.460
Motion carries unanimously.

02:33:32.460 --> 02:33:33.293
Mr. Coleman.

02:33:34.170 --> 02:33:35.420
<v ->Just one point of order.</v>

02:33:35.420 --> 02:33:38.351
Are we no longer putting the
motions in the folder anymore?

02:33:38.351 --> 02:33:40.040
<v Cameron>During the time on Zoom,</v>

02:33:40.040 --> 02:33:42.420
you all said, we liked
your streaming Cameron,

02:33:42.420 --> 02:33:43.620
please during the meeting.

02:33:43.620 --> 02:33:45.016
<v ->This is what I'm resorting to.</v>

02:33:45.016 --> 02:33:47.180
<v Cameron>Now, they all like paper.</v>

02:33:47.180 --> 02:33:49.890
<v ->I'm resorting to have to
put these things on now.</v>

02:33:49.890 --> 02:33:51.096
<v Cameron>Could you just email me.</v>

02:33:51.096 --> 02:33:51.929
(indistinct)

02:33:51.929 --> 02:33:52.762
<v ->No.</v>

02:33:52.762 --> 02:33:53.595
<v ->(indistinct) preference.</v>

02:33:53.595 --> 02:33:54.530
<v ->No.</v>

02:33:54.530 --> 02:33:56.350
<v ->Next time we can
put them in the folder,</v>

02:33:56.350 --> 02:33:58.803
but it's true that today
they are not in the folder.

02:34:00.121 --> 02:34:02.538
(indistinct)

02:34:04.610 --> 02:34:06.318
<v ->I can see it now.</v>

02:34:06.318 --> 02:34:07.151
(indistinct)

02:34:07.151 --> 02:34:07.984
All right, y'all.

02:34:07.984 --> 02:34:12.830
I call to order docket
number 701-21-0936.EC,

02:34:15.140 --> 02:34:16.980
State Board for Educator Certification

02:34:16.980 --> 02:34:19.120
versus Jacob Humphries.

02:34:19.120 --> 02:34:22.050
I move at the board except
the proposal for decision

02:34:22.050 --> 02:34:24.010
and issue a final order consistent

02:34:24.010 --> 02:34:25.750
with the ALJs recommendation.

02:34:25.750 --> 02:34:28.563
Mr. Humphreys educators
certificates should be revoked.

02:34:29.620 --> 02:34:30.453
<v ->Thank you, Mr. Coleman.</v>

02:34:30.453 --> 02:34:32.750
Do I have a second to that motion?

02:34:32.750 --> 02:34:34.163
Second by Mr. Dvorak.

02:34:35.440 --> 02:34:37.033
Any discussion on this item?

02:34:39.300 --> 02:34:41.260
Hearing none we'll vote on the motion,

02:34:41.260 --> 02:34:44.343
those in favor, please signify
by raising your right hand.

02:34:46.220 --> 02:34:49.140
All right, those opposed same sign.

02:34:49.140 --> 02:34:51.050
Motion carries unanimously.

02:34:51.050 --> 02:34:51.890
Thank you very much.

02:34:51.890 --> 02:34:53.550
Laura.

02:34:53.550 --> 02:34:55.310
<v ->So the last thing I
have for you in the area</v>

02:34:55.310 --> 02:34:59.022
of disciplinary cases is an
update on the Tran litigation.

02:34:59.022 --> 02:35:01.900
The Supreme Court
denied the petition for review.

02:35:01.900 --> 02:35:05.042
So that case is finally finished.

02:35:05.042 --> 02:35:10.042
That Tran was a educator
who had threatened violence

02:35:10.640 --> 02:35:12.540
against his school while in the course

02:35:12.540 --> 02:35:15.860
of a mental health episode,

02:35:15.860 --> 02:35:17.570
and the board had decided to revoke.

02:35:17.570 --> 02:35:20.050
He had tried to plead
ineffective assistance of counsel

02:35:20.050 --> 02:35:21.030
that was the issue that was up in front

02:35:21.030 --> 02:35:21.960
of the Supreme court,

02:35:21.960 --> 02:35:23.400
but they are not gonna take it up.

02:35:23.400 --> 02:35:25.283
And so the case is final.

02:35:26.490 --> 02:35:27.480
But that's all I have on that.

02:35:27.480 --> 02:35:32.480
So we will be moving on and
unless the board wants a break,

02:35:32.640 --> 02:35:35.713
we will be moving on
to the 249 discussion.

02:35:37.320 --> 02:35:38.550
<v ->You've board members.</v>

02:35:38.550 --> 02:35:40.630
I think we're moving
pretty quickly today.

02:35:40.630 --> 02:35:42.550
It seems that way so far.

02:35:42.550 --> 02:35:45.680
Do we wish to continue
to proceed at this point?

02:35:45.680 --> 02:35:48.030
All right, I see nothing but yeses.

02:35:48.030 --> 02:35:49.690
All right, as we look around.

02:35:49.690 --> 02:35:54.410
We are moving to item number 13,

02:35:54.410 --> 02:35:56.700
discussion of proposed
amendments to the disciplinary

02:35:56.700 --> 02:35:58.503
proceeding sanctions, et cetera.

02:36:01.350 --> 02:36:02.373
Let me see.

02:36:05.100 --> 02:36:07.160
And who will be guiding that discussion?

02:36:07.160 --> 02:36:08.049
Is that you Laura?

02:36:08.049 --> 02:36:08.882
<v ->That sure, is.</v>

02:36:08.882 --> 02:36:09.990
<v ->Okay.</v>

02:36:09.990 --> 02:36:11.800
<v ->My show's not over yet.</v>

02:36:11.800 --> 02:36:13.290
<v ->All right.</v>

02:36:13.290 --> 02:36:15.170
<v ->Okay, board so the first
thing I wanna point out</v>

02:36:15.170 --> 02:36:18.270
is the draft rule text that
is in your yellow folder,

02:36:18.270 --> 02:36:21.340
that is coming out of our
discussions from yesterday.

02:36:21.340 --> 02:36:25.420
So last night we went through
and tried to put everything

02:36:25.420 --> 02:36:27.730
we had talked about into rule text.

02:36:27.730 --> 02:36:28.990
So we're gonna discuss it today

02:36:28.990 --> 02:36:31.310
and get stakeholder input on it.

02:36:31.310 --> 02:36:33.000
Get a sense of if
there are any of these,

02:36:33.000 --> 02:36:34.970
we don't want to go to proposal with,

02:36:34.970 --> 02:36:37.580
if there's something
we can eliminate now.

02:36:37.580 --> 02:36:39.440
And also there are two options

02:36:39.440 --> 02:36:42.790
for what we're doing
with subsection three,

02:36:42.790 --> 02:36:45.570
the mandatory minimum sanction.

02:36:45.570 --> 02:36:49.820
There is an option to
keep it and make it comply

02:36:49.820 --> 02:36:52.570
with House Bill 2519,

02:36:52.570 --> 02:36:54.480
and another option to make it compliant

02:36:54.480 --> 02:36:57.690
with House Bill 2519 by
just eliminating it altogether.

02:36:57.690 --> 02:36:58.810
So I will talk through those,

02:36:58.810 --> 02:37:00.023
but I just wanted to point out

02:37:00.023 --> 02:37:02.273
that that's what's
happening on this handout.

02:37:03.360 --> 02:37:08.360
Okay, as we learned yesterday

02:37:09.560 --> 02:37:12.030
through all that stakeholder input.

02:37:12.030 --> 02:37:13.240
Contract abandonment is really about

02:37:13.240 --> 02:37:15.800
balancing the needs of students,

02:37:15.800 --> 02:37:17.310
of children in school,

02:37:17.310 --> 02:37:19.100
against the needs of adults.

02:37:19.100 --> 02:37:21.300
And this is the challenge, right?

02:37:21.300 --> 02:37:24.620
Because we talk a lot
about getting great teachers

02:37:24.620 --> 02:37:26.680
out there, and the
importance of educator quality,

02:37:26.680 --> 02:37:28.790
and there are studies that show

02:37:28.790 --> 02:37:32.010
that the difference between
the student performance

02:37:32.010 --> 02:37:35.670
in a classroom where an
educator has abandoned a contract

02:37:35.670 --> 02:37:38.060
and just a classroom where the educator

02:37:38.060 --> 02:37:39.210
has just completed the year

02:37:39.210 --> 02:37:41.040
is the same difference as the difference

02:37:41.040 --> 02:37:42.540
between having a fair teacher

02:37:42.540 --> 02:37:44.590
and having a great teacher, right?

02:37:44.590 --> 02:37:46.880
So we can get those kinds
of performance changes

02:37:46.880 --> 02:37:48.250
we're seeking in all of our efforts

02:37:48.250 --> 02:37:51.010
to create great teachers are the same

02:37:51.010 --> 02:37:52.490
kind of performance changes we can get

02:37:52.490 --> 02:37:56.060
by just not having contracts
abandoned very often.

02:37:56.060 --> 02:37:57.703
Keeping that in mind though,

02:37:59.700 --> 02:38:03.100
this does not mean that
we should sacrifice teachers.

02:38:03.100 --> 02:38:07.450
The teachers have real
lives and family needs

02:38:07.450 --> 02:38:09.490
and should not have those things

02:38:10.660 --> 02:38:14.110
that should not be
the cost of this margin

02:38:14.110 --> 02:38:15.710
of student development.

02:38:15.710 --> 02:38:18.040
So that is the delicate balancing act

02:38:18.040 --> 02:38:19.540
that we have to weigh when we consider

02:38:19.540 --> 02:38:21.390
what we're doing with these rules.

02:38:21.390 --> 02:38:23.420
The most important
thing we're doing today.

02:38:23.420 --> 02:38:25.319
Well, no, that's not true.

02:38:25.319 --> 02:38:26.152
(chuckles)

02:38:26.152 --> 02:38:28.000
The main thing we were
doing in my original rule draft

02:38:28.000 --> 02:38:30.830
is implementing House Bill 2519.

02:38:30.830 --> 02:38:34.430
So House Bill 2519 does
several things in an effort

02:38:36.504 --> 02:38:39.810
to adjust the way SBEC
looks at contract abandonment.

02:38:39.810 --> 02:38:43.060
The first thing it does is
say that when an educator

02:38:43.060 --> 02:38:46.490
abandons a case between the 45th day

02:38:46.490 --> 02:38:48.170
before the first day of instruction,

02:38:48.170 --> 02:38:51.490
and the 30th day before
the first day of instruction.

02:38:51.490 --> 02:38:55.733
So these are weeks usually
in July or very early August.

02:38:57.780 --> 02:39:00.270
SBEC can no longer
suspend or revoke someone

02:39:00.270 --> 02:39:02.330
as the sanction for
abandoning a contract

02:39:02.330 --> 02:39:03.640
during those two weeks.

02:39:03.640 --> 02:39:06.950
So that means necessarily
we are going to need to change

02:39:06.950 --> 02:39:08.373
your minimum sanction,

02:39:09.450 --> 02:39:11.280
because currently we
suspend for one year

02:39:11.280 --> 02:39:13.170
as your minimum sanction.

02:39:13.170 --> 02:39:16.610
If you look on page 28 of the item

02:39:16.610 --> 02:39:19.380
or under new draft looks
like this is probably actually

02:39:19.380 --> 02:39:20.530
what we should look at.

02:39:21.640 --> 02:39:23.250
You'll see that there are...

02:39:23.250 --> 02:39:24.410
Let's look at the new draft rule texts,

02:39:24.410 --> 02:39:27.000
'cause this is where the
two options come in, right?

02:39:27.000 --> 02:39:29.830
The first option is staff...

02:39:29.830 --> 02:39:31.930
And this is staff's recommendation

02:39:31.930 --> 02:39:35.100
is to take the minimum sanction

02:39:35.100 --> 02:39:38.530
that applies when no other
mitigating factor applies.

02:39:38.530 --> 02:39:41.470
So again, there's that carve
out for the mitigating factors

02:39:41.470 --> 02:39:43.810
in the good cause factors
and the mitigating factors

02:39:43.810 --> 02:39:45.460
that are in subsection C,

02:39:45.460 --> 02:39:46.920
the ones that apply in every case

02:39:46.920 --> 02:39:50.360
and include that giant
factor for all other facts

02:39:50.360 --> 02:39:51.960
and conditions that apply.

02:39:51.960 --> 02:39:54.040
If none of those apply,

02:39:54.040 --> 02:39:56.350
then the person gets
an inscribed reprimand

02:39:56.350 --> 02:39:58.680
if we're in this 45 to 30 day window.

02:39:58.680 --> 02:40:00.160
And if we're outside of that,

02:40:00.160 --> 02:40:02.220
if we're closer to school
or fully into the school year,

02:40:02.220 --> 02:40:04.640
then we're still looking
at a one year suspension.

02:40:04.640 --> 02:40:07.630
So that's the first option
staff sees the benefits of that,

02:40:07.630 --> 02:40:09.560
is it still gives staff guidance.

02:40:09.560 --> 02:40:12.870
It gives teachers guidance
and it gives SOAH guidance

02:40:12.870 --> 02:40:16.560
on what to expect and how to understand

02:40:16.560 --> 02:40:18.420
what's gonna happen if
these mitigating factors

02:40:18.420 --> 02:40:19.393
are not applying.

02:40:20.820 --> 02:40:23.320
We believe that that meets the required

02:40:23.320 --> 02:40:24.760
of House Bill 2519,

02:40:24.760 --> 02:40:27.810
because we're creating all
of these mitigating factors

02:40:27.810 --> 02:40:28.643
apply, right?

02:40:28.643 --> 02:40:31.680
Any mitigating factor you
can think of is going to be,

02:40:31.680 --> 02:40:35.540
I think, brought in by paragraphs
one, two, or subsection C.

02:40:35.540 --> 02:40:38.720
And so you will be
able to consider them all

02:40:38.720 --> 02:40:41.120
because that is a requirement of 2519.

02:40:41.120 --> 02:40:43.670
We've also added,
you'll see on the flip side

02:40:43.670 --> 02:40:44.610
of the handout,

02:40:44.610 --> 02:40:48.530
a subsection C that
says the mitigating factors

02:40:48.530 --> 02:40:51.480
can be so mitigating that the board

02:40:51.480 --> 02:40:53.540
takes no disciplinary action.

02:40:53.540 --> 02:40:55.350
So that was something
we discussed yesterday

02:40:55.350 --> 02:40:57.030
to make it absolutely explicitly clear

02:40:57.030 --> 02:40:59.565
that mitigation can go down to zero.

02:40:59.565 --> 02:41:01.730
So someone could be subject to sanction,

02:41:01.730 --> 02:41:03.260
but not actually sanctioned,

02:41:03.260 --> 02:41:06.170
if there were enough mitigating factors.

02:41:06.170 --> 02:41:08.490
Now, the other option that you heard

02:41:08.490 --> 02:41:10.480
some teacher groups support yesterday

02:41:10.480 --> 02:41:13.510
is simply to remove the any guidance

02:41:13.510 --> 02:41:15.550
on what the minimum sanction is,

02:41:15.550 --> 02:41:17.434
to take that away completely.

02:41:17.434 --> 02:41:20.890
This would mean that for staff and SOAH

02:41:20.890 --> 02:41:22.700
the only guidance
would be what the board

02:41:22.700 --> 02:41:24.420
has done recently on orders.

02:41:24.420 --> 02:41:27.530
It would give the board
complete discretion

02:41:27.530 --> 02:41:28.700
to do whatever it went out,

02:41:28.700 --> 02:41:31.550
within the bounds of, you
know, rational arbitrary,

02:41:31.550 --> 02:41:34.180
and not being arbitrary and capricious,

02:41:34.180 --> 02:41:37.810
but it will put a bunch of
more or flux in the system.

02:41:37.810 --> 02:41:40.620
We will all be following
whatever the latest board order is,

02:41:40.620 --> 02:41:41.500
frankly.

02:41:41.500 --> 02:41:46.500
And SOAH will be guessing at
what you want the answer to be.

02:41:47.020 --> 02:41:52.020
So staff for that there
is benefits to be gained

02:41:52.810 --> 02:41:53.750
by keeping these,

02:41:53.750 --> 02:41:56.630
even though we have
these giant carve-outs

02:41:56.630 --> 02:41:59.740
because it gives the system guidance

02:41:59.740 --> 02:42:02.003
on where we're starting from is sort of,

02:42:03.470 --> 02:42:05.933
you know, signposts
in how this could work.

02:42:07.080 --> 02:42:08.113
Okay, so.

02:42:09.401 --> 02:42:10.530
All right.

02:42:10.530 --> 02:42:12.210
Now, I should have said this to describe

02:42:12.210 --> 02:42:13.550
what we were doing
with inscribed reprimands.

02:42:13.550 --> 02:42:16.040
But anyway, this is the
option I just described

02:42:16.040 --> 02:42:18.393
giving that sort of
guidance to SOAH and stuff.

02:42:19.520 --> 02:42:23.233
So the other things that 2519 does,

02:42:24.690 --> 02:42:27.570
we just talked about this
two SBEC must consider

02:42:27.570 --> 02:42:30.570
any mitigating factors
relevant to teacher conduct.

02:42:30.570 --> 02:42:32.970
So our recommendation to implementation

02:42:32.970 --> 02:42:36.577
is to explicitly add the
reference to the 249C factors.

02:42:36.577 --> 02:42:38.850
Those are the ones
that apply in all cases.

02:42:38.850 --> 02:42:40.620
So we're adding that in.

02:42:40.620 --> 02:42:44.210
And then so that we'll make sure

02:42:44.210 --> 02:42:46.650
that all possible factors are coming in,

02:42:46.650 --> 02:42:49.430
including that giant broad
carve-out we talked about.

02:42:49.430 --> 02:42:51.860
The other thing we're
doing is now proposing

02:42:51.860 --> 02:42:55.420
that subsection C that it
says that all of this can mitigate

02:42:55.420 --> 02:42:56.813
down to no sanction.

02:42:58.520 --> 02:43:00.060
By the way, y'all stop
me if you have questions

02:43:00.060 --> 02:43:03.339
at any moment. (chuckles)

02:43:03.339 --> 02:43:05.813
So the next thing 2519
does is that it says,

02:43:05.813 --> 02:43:09.610
that SBEC may consider
alternatives to sanctions

02:43:09.610 --> 02:43:12.120
including adding additional
continuing education

02:43:12.120 --> 02:43:12.953
or training.

02:43:14.130 --> 02:43:16.760
So, first of all, there's
that may, it's not a shall.

02:43:16.760 --> 02:43:18.220
It means you have choices,

02:43:18.220 --> 02:43:20.320
but currently your
rules don't really allow

02:43:20.320 --> 02:43:21.410
for choices like this.

02:43:21.410 --> 02:43:24.623
So we're gonna need to
make a change to 24915,

02:43:26.747 --> 02:43:31.747
where it says additional in
front of additional conditions.

02:43:32.990 --> 02:43:34.200
We need to take that additional out,

02:43:34.200 --> 02:43:36.570
because we have historically
interpreted that to mean

02:43:36.570 --> 02:43:38.630
that you had to have
an underlying sanction.

02:43:38.630 --> 02:43:40.410
You had to get an inscribed reprimand,

02:43:40.410 --> 02:43:42.160
you had to get a non
inscribed reprimand,

02:43:42.160 --> 02:43:43.420
you had to get a suspension.

02:43:43.420 --> 02:43:46.400
Otherwise we couldn't
order you to do training.

02:43:46.400 --> 02:43:48.480
This would allow
us to... I'm sorry, sir.

02:43:48.480 --> 02:43:50.880
<v ->Laura, what you're
going through right now.</v>

02:43:50.880 --> 02:43:52.790
That is not on this list.

02:43:52.790 --> 02:43:53.623
<v ->Right, I'm sorry.</v>

02:43:53.623 --> 02:43:54.730
Yes, you were absolutely right.

02:43:54.730 --> 02:43:56.030
I should have referenced
a patient number.

02:43:56.030 --> 02:43:57.870
'Cause now we're
back in the original item

02:43:57.870 --> 02:44:00.020
on page 24 of the original item.

02:44:00.020 --> 02:44:01.650
Yes, sorry.

02:44:01.650 --> 02:44:02.903
You're right.

02:44:02.903 --> 02:44:03.920
I'm flipping back and forth.

02:44:03.920 --> 02:44:07.042
This was not part of what
we changed yesterday.

02:44:07.042 --> 02:44:07.875
<v Dr. Kelly>Okay.</v>

02:44:07.875 --> 02:44:09.530
<v Laura>So yes, on
page 24, you'll see</v>

02:44:09.530 --> 02:44:12.610
it's a tiny little thing
taking out additional,

02:44:12.610 --> 02:44:14.960
but the meaning of
that is that it allows you

02:44:14.960 --> 02:44:18.330
to unhinge the terms and conditions

02:44:18.330 --> 02:44:20.880
from having to put it on to adhere

02:44:20.880 --> 02:44:23.594
it to some other sanction.

02:44:23.594 --> 02:44:24.570
<v Dr. Kelly>Okay, I see.</v>

02:44:24.570 --> 02:44:26.130
<v Laura>Thank you
for pointing that out.</v>

02:44:26.130 --> 02:44:26.963
I appreciate it.

02:44:29.260 --> 02:44:31.870
Okay, so the next thing we're doing,

02:44:31.870 --> 02:44:36.190
the SBEC must notify
the educator of the basis

02:44:36.190 --> 02:44:38.750
for the suspension and
information regarding

02:44:38.750 --> 02:44:41.560
the way in which the teacher
may respond to the suspension.

02:44:41.560 --> 02:44:43.790
That's something we already do,

02:44:43.790 --> 02:44:45.800
but we wanna make
it super clear and rule

02:44:45.800 --> 02:44:48.410
that we are complying with
the requirements of the statute.

02:44:48.410 --> 02:44:53.410
So this is going to be
on page 30 of your book.

02:44:53.440 --> 02:44:57.050
You will see that we are
adding in a description

02:44:57.050 --> 02:44:59.080
of what it is we are
gonna do to do this,

02:44:59.080 --> 02:45:00.870
to comply with the
basis for the suspension.

02:45:00.870 --> 02:45:03.010
We're gonna make sure that
they get the findings of fact

02:45:03.010 --> 02:45:05.850
and conclusions of law that
are the basis for your order.

02:45:05.850 --> 02:45:08.340
So that would mean we
are either including the PFD,

02:45:08.340 --> 02:45:11.500
if it's a PFD order or
we're including the request

02:45:11.500 --> 02:45:13.060
for issuance as a default.

02:45:13.060 --> 02:45:16.420
And it also, the other part is
that we include a statement

02:45:16.420 --> 02:45:17.640
in the cover letter that,

02:45:17.640 --> 02:45:20.166
if the person should
desire to request the board,

02:45:20.166 --> 02:45:21.540
we considered the decision,

02:45:21.540 --> 02:45:24.490
the person should file
a motion for rehearing

02:45:24.490 --> 02:45:25.323
with the board.

02:45:25.323 --> 02:45:27.100
That's what the government code requires

02:45:27.100 --> 02:45:29.070
as the first step to appeal.

02:45:29.070 --> 02:45:29.950
We already do that.

02:45:29.950 --> 02:45:31.680
That's already in the
cover letter that goes out,

02:45:31.680 --> 02:45:34.360
but in order to make
sure that it is very explicit

02:45:34.360 --> 02:45:36.340
that we are complying
with House Bill 2519.

02:45:36.340 --> 02:45:38.220
We're gonna make that
a requirement in rule.

02:45:38.220 --> 02:45:41.120
So everyone is super clear on it.

02:45:41.120 --> 02:45:43.273
So that's what we're doing there.

02:45:44.830 --> 02:45:47.720
So now we go to the
results of the work session,

02:45:47.720 --> 02:45:50.790
which will take me back
to our separate handout

02:45:50.790 --> 02:45:51.940
from the yellow folder.

02:45:53.100 --> 02:45:57.775
First, we're adding four new
provisions to good cause.

02:45:57.775 --> 02:46:00.560
We're adding a change in employment.

02:46:00.560 --> 02:46:04.520
And we have narrowed
this to be a position

02:46:04.520 --> 02:46:07.590
that requires a new class
of educator certification

02:46:07.590 --> 02:46:10.560
or a position with a
higher level of authority

02:46:10.560 --> 02:46:13.970
within the principal
class of certificate.

02:46:13.970 --> 02:46:16.910
So that was an effort to
address the assistant principal

02:46:16.910 --> 02:46:18.000
to principal promotion,

02:46:18.000 --> 02:46:20.550
and also to get folks
who are moving laterally

02:46:20.550 --> 02:46:22.330
so that you can go
from teacher to librarian

02:46:22.330 --> 02:46:23.930
and you still have this be okay.

02:46:24.960 --> 02:46:27.560
The next one is a reduction in pay.

02:46:27.560 --> 02:46:29.710
So we have a reduction in base pay

02:46:29.710 --> 02:46:32.540
as compared to the educators
base pay for the prior year

02:46:32.540 --> 02:46:34.233
at the same school district.

02:46:35.530 --> 02:46:38.540
The next one is the
educators reasonable belief

02:46:38.540 --> 02:46:40.550
that the educator had written permission

02:46:40.550 --> 02:46:43.670
from the school district
administration to resign.

02:46:43.670 --> 02:46:46.060
And again, the difference
between what we had discussed

02:46:46.060 --> 02:46:47.630
before was that it had been couched

02:46:47.630 --> 02:46:50.430
in terms of reasonable
reliance on someone

02:46:50.430 --> 02:46:53.308
with apparent authority,
that's all legal stuff.

02:46:53.308 --> 02:46:55.450
The school districts were
much more comfortable

02:46:55.450 --> 02:46:57.820
with the idea that there
was written permission,

02:46:57.820 --> 02:46:59.720
a reasonable belief
on the educator's part

02:46:59.720 --> 02:47:01.660
that they had written
permission from somebody

02:47:01.660 --> 02:47:03.680
in the administration
rather than trying to invoke

02:47:03.680 --> 02:47:07.400
these legal terms that they
feel have no application here.

02:47:07.400 --> 02:47:09.210
I feel like this is a good compromise

02:47:09.210 --> 02:47:10.600
that the groups managed to come to.

02:47:10.600 --> 02:47:12.524
I was impressed. (laughs)

02:47:12.524 --> 02:47:14.763
So that's where we got with that.

02:47:15.870 --> 02:47:17.850
The final one was a
change in the educators

02:47:17.850 --> 02:47:21.090
campus assignment from a
previous agreed campus assignment

02:47:21.090 --> 02:47:23.410
that causes a significant adverse impact

02:47:23.410 --> 02:47:26.193
on the educators family
needs or health condition.

02:47:28.430 --> 02:47:30.100
When I sat down with
the stakeholders last night,

02:47:30.100 --> 02:47:30.933
we had originally said,

02:47:30.933 --> 02:47:33.530
but isn't this already covered
by our good cause factor

02:47:33.530 --> 02:47:35.280
for change and family needs.

02:47:35.280 --> 02:47:36.440
And then we thought about it harder,

02:47:36.440 --> 02:47:38.930
and we thought that
really the difference

02:47:38.930 --> 02:47:40.290
is the causal element, right?

02:47:40.290 --> 02:47:43.630
Because the change in
family needs is the causation

02:47:45.581 --> 02:47:47.860
of the resignation in our other factor.

02:47:47.860 --> 02:47:49.840
But in this case, the family needs

02:47:49.840 --> 02:47:51.070
are not actually changing,

02:47:51.070 --> 02:47:56.070
they're just being forced
into a adverse condition

02:47:56.422 --> 02:47:57.390
by this change in assignment.

02:47:57.390 --> 02:48:01.000
So we felt it really did
need a separate element.

02:48:01.000 --> 02:48:02.200
We had thought about trying to squishing

02:48:02.200 --> 02:48:03.638
into those other two,

02:48:03.638 --> 02:48:05.490
but in the end we agreed
that it needed a separate one.

02:48:05.490 --> 02:48:08.030
So those are the four
new good cause factors

02:48:08.030 --> 02:48:09.310
that we had talked about last night.

02:48:09.310 --> 02:48:11.423
Now, we had one mitigating factor.

02:48:12.770 --> 02:48:16.840
This is our educator resigned
due to working conditions

02:48:16.840 --> 02:48:19.950
that reasonably posed an
immediate threat of physical harm

02:48:19.950 --> 02:48:20.783
to the educator.

02:48:20.783 --> 02:48:21.870
And I noticed just now reading that,

02:48:21.870 --> 02:48:22.910
that there's a that missing,

02:48:22.910 --> 02:48:24.760
which is why you shouldn't work late.

02:48:26.409 --> 02:48:28.020
So we will fix that
before we get to proposal.

02:48:28.020 --> 02:48:33.020
But anyway, the goal here
was to get at those things

02:48:34.840 --> 02:48:36.680
that are immediate.

02:48:36.680 --> 02:48:41.100
So it's a problem that is going
to cause physical harm now

02:48:41.100 --> 02:48:41.933
to the person.

02:48:41.933 --> 02:48:43.690
It can't be an attenuated,

02:48:43.690 --> 02:48:45.840
you know, that place
is a very well kept up

02:48:45.840 --> 02:48:48.820
sort of abstract concern.

02:48:48.820 --> 02:48:51.810
It needs to be an actual
harm that is reasonable

02:48:51.810 --> 02:48:53.270
and seen right here.

02:48:53.270 --> 02:48:57.440
So that was what the groups
tried to narrow it down to,

02:48:57.440 --> 02:48:59.861
so that they could
agree on it last night.

02:48:59.861 --> 02:49:02.450
We had talked about moving
it up to a good cause factor

02:49:02.450 --> 02:49:04.830
saying it mean isn't immediate
for a really good cause,

02:49:04.830 --> 02:49:06.530
shouldn't this be a binary decision,

02:49:06.530 --> 02:49:11.530
but they felt like because
the immediate threats

02:49:11.730 --> 02:49:15.450
to your personal safety
can vary in severity, right?

02:49:15.450 --> 02:49:19.150
The risk of harm could be death,

02:49:19.150 --> 02:49:22.340
or it could be just some sort of illness

02:49:22.340 --> 02:49:23.960
or lesser injury, right?

02:49:23.960 --> 02:49:25.460
And so because of that,

02:49:25.460 --> 02:49:27.370
they wanted to keep
it as a mitigating factor

02:49:27.370 --> 02:49:29.070
that could be nuanced,

02:49:29.070 --> 02:49:31.600
rather than as a binary on, off switch.

02:49:31.600 --> 02:49:32.433
And that's certainly a point

02:49:32.433 --> 02:49:34.110
that the board can consider and discuss

02:49:34.110 --> 02:49:36.330
whether we should move
it up to be good cause,

02:49:36.330 --> 02:49:39.483
or whether it's more
appropriate as a mitigating factor.

02:49:40.900 --> 02:49:44.910
So that along with the two options now

02:49:44.910 --> 02:49:47.730
for what we're gonna do to
implement House Bill 2519

02:49:47.730 --> 02:49:51.740
with regard to not being
able to do suspensions

02:49:51.740 --> 02:49:54.400
at the beginning of the first two weeks,

02:49:54.400 --> 02:49:57.290
but after the 45th day are what
came out of the work session

02:49:57.290 --> 02:49:58.270
last night.

02:49:58.270 --> 02:49:59.395
<v Dr. Kelly>Laura.</v>

02:49:59.395 --> 02:50:00.228
<v Laura>Yes.</v>

02:50:00.228 --> 02:50:01.061
<v Dr. Kelly>I have a
question from Ms. Mason.</v>

02:50:01.061 --> 02:50:02.354
<v Laura>Yes.</v>

02:50:02.354 --> 02:50:04.250
<v Ms. Mason>Thank you, Dr. Kelly.</v>

02:50:04.250 --> 02:50:08.010
Really quickly, I just wanted
to talk about the change

02:50:08.010 --> 02:50:09.360
in campus assignment.

02:50:09.360 --> 02:50:12.680
If I remember correctly,
Jean used the terminology

02:50:12.680 --> 02:50:15.440
late change specifically.

02:50:15.440 --> 02:50:17.360
I just wanna make sure
this one opened the door

02:50:17.360 --> 02:50:20.410
for somebody who knew in May

02:50:20.410 --> 02:50:22.860
that the campus was
going to be further ahead,

02:50:22.860 --> 02:50:25.860
ample time to make the
changes and adjustments,

02:50:25.860 --> 02:50:27.370
made the changes and adjustments

02:50:27.370 --> 02:50:29.520
and just decides in October,

02:50:29.520 --> 02:50:31.480
this is too far I don't like this,

02:50:31.480 --> 02:50:34.420
versus thinking that
they had one assignment

02:50:34.420 --> 02:50:36.607
and then finding out August 15th

02:50:36.607 --> 02:50:39.090
and school starts on the
16th that their assignment

02:50:39.090 --> 02:50:40.920
is now an hour and a half away.

02:50:40.920 --> 02:50:43.020
<v Laura>Right, so the
way that the board</v>

02:50:44.162 --> 02:50:44.995
has interpreted it's...

02:50:44.995 --> 02:50:46.510
The board and staff have
interpreted this set of rules,

02:50:46.510 --> 02:50:48.650
the good cause factors are
that it has to be something

02:50:48.650 --> 02:50:50.880
that does not exist that
you don't know about

02:50:50.880 --> 02:50:53.370
on that 45th day before
the first day of instruction.

02:50:53.370 --> 02:50:54.900
Because otherwise if we just had this,

02:50:54.900 --> 02:50:57.400
you may recall in a recent
case where the person

02:50:57.400 --> 02:51:00.460
knew about their
wife's medical condition

02:51:00.460 --> 02:51:03.160
on the 45th day before
the first day of instruction,

02:51:03.160 --> 02:51:06.890
and just waited until the
things that they already knew

02:51:06.890 --> 02:51:09.420
were coming came to
fruition before they abandoned,

02:51:09.420 --> 02:51:12.280
the board said, no, if you
know about it on the 45th day,

02:51:12.280 --> 02:51:14.560
then it's essentially a
term of your contract.

02:51:14.560 --> 02:51:16.310
Like that that's what you're doing.

02:51:16.310 --> 02:51:20.320
So given that I felt
we didn't need to add

02:51:20.320 --> 02:51:23.560
that term explicitly in
here that it's a part of it.

02:51:23.560 --> 02:51:25.613
But if anybody stakeholders
or board members

02:51:25.613 --> 02:51:27.240
have like ones that explicitly in here

02:51:27.240 --> 02:51:28.730
that I will probably put it in the top

02:51:28.730 --> 02:51:29.563
to make sure it's clear,

02:51:29.563 --> 02:51:30.980
it applies to all of these factors,

02:51:30.980 --> 02:51:32.760
because it should be that,

02:51:32.760 --> 02:51:35.290
you're changing family
circumstance has to happen

02:51:35.290 --> 02:51:36.130
after the start.

02:51:36.130 --> 02:51:38.683
Your health condition has
to happen after the start,

02:51:38.683 --> 02:51:40.180
it can't be that these
are things you know,

02:51:40.180 --> 02:51:44.263
and just decide to mention later on.

02:51:45.820 --> 02:51:46.723
Dr. Rodriguez.

02:51:48.660 --> 02:51:51.470
<v Dr. Rodriguez>I have a
question for my fellow</v>

02:51:51.470 --> 02:51:56.470
board members and you
regarding the addition here

02:51:56.496 --> 02:52:01.496
in letter D within the
principal class of certificate.

02:52:03.090 --> 02:52:05.120
And I am wondering if we should include

02:52:05.120 --> 02:52:07.953
the superintendent classes certificate?

02:52:11.390 --> 02:52:12.287
With a similar--

02:52:14.010 --> 02:52:16.720
<v Laura>So similar (indistinct)
superintendent to--</v>

02:52:16.720 --> 02:52:19.900
<v ->Moving from
assistant superintendent</v>

02:52:19.900 --> 02:52:24.900
to deputy superintendent,
area superintendent,

02:52:26.270 --> 02:52:29.990
so many different
titles that could happen,

02:52:29.990 --> 02:52:32.560
but I of course would like to hear

02:52:32.560 --> 02:52:36.220
from my fellow board members
to see if that's something

02:52:36.220 --> 02:52:38.600
that could present itself.

02:52:38.600 --> 02:52:40.190
<v Dr. Kelly>Superintendent Kim.</v>

02:52:40.190 --> 02:52:42.360
<v ->No, I just, I think that one,</v>

02:52:42.360 --> 02:52:44.500
most school districts
employees, central office,

02:52:44.500 --> 02:52:46.390
and there's an at-will employees.

02:52:46.390 --> 02:52:47.270
And at that level,

02:52:47.270 --> 02:52:50.900
so I'm not really sure
there will be an this issue

02:52:50.900 --> 02:52:52.593
with that situation there.

02:52:53.750 --> 02:52:55.640
And with the superintendent certificate,

02:52:55.640 --> 02:52:57.360
it's been a while,
but I think it's 21 days.

02:52:57.360 --> 02:53:01.220
So there's already built in
timeframe for that situation.

02:53:01.220 --> 02:53:02.230
So I'm not really sure if we need

02:53:02.230 --> 02:53:06.890
to get to that distinct level
for the superintendent into...

02:53:06.890 --> 02:53:09.920
I mean, for assistant
supt moving into that.

02:53:09.920 --> 02:53:11.610
Generally speaking school districts

02:53:11.610 --> 02:53:12.837
obviously acknowledge that,

02:53:12.837 --> 02:53:15.550
and there's a waiting
period and a timeline

02:53:15.550 --> 02:53:16.780
when that actually occurs.

02:53:16.780 --> 02:53:18.950
So it's not one of those...

02:53:18.950 --> 02:53:20.957
That is an immediate situation, I think.

02:53:20.957 --> 02:53:23.640
And so I'm not sure
that would be the most...

02:53:23.640 --> 02:53:25.170
I don't wanna create a...

02:53:26.017 --> 02:53:27.860
I mean, although, there's
always an exception,

02:53:27.860 --> 02:53:29.360
but I don't wanna
necessarily create something

02:53:29.360 --> 02:53:30.800
that doesn't necessarily not gonna occur

02:53:30.800 --> 02:53:32.510
or else we'll be spending I
think a whole bunch of time

02:53:32.510 --> 02:53:34.920
creating a whole bunch of
things all the time here, I guess.

02:53:34.920 --> 02:53:38.062
So that's just my
concern there about that.

02:53:38.062 --> 02:53:40.570
<v ->Well, let's take
it hypothetical,</v>

02:53:40.570 --> 02:53:45.170
if a principal wanted to move
to a deputy superintendent,

02:53:45.170 --> 02:53:50.103
is that included as
written in this letter D?

02:53:51.571 --> 02:53:52.890
<v ->(indistinct) different class.</v>

02:53:52.890 --> 02:53:54.933
<v ->So maybe we ought
to accommodate that.</v>

02:53:57.476 --> 02:53:58.309
<v ->Right.</v>

02:53:58.309 --> 02:53:59.610
I mean, this only applies
to Chapter 21 educators.

02:53:59.610 --> 02:54:02.650
So if Superintendent
Kim is actually is right,

02:54:02.650 --> 02:54:05.250
it's not gonna matter
for superintendents.

02:54:05.250 --> 02:54:06.083
But you're right.

02:54:06.083 --> 02:54:07.780
A change in class
principal to superintendent

02:54:07.780 --> 02:54:10.680
would be a reason to get
out of your principal contract.

02:54:10.680 --> 02:54:12.610
<v ->Well, no, Laura,
that clarifies it for me.</v>

02:54:12.610 --> 02:54:14.260
I was thinking through all the,

02:54:14.260 --> 02:54:17.911
you know, Superintendent
Kim it would be not just

02:54:17.911 --> 02:54:18.900
that 21 days for initial hiring,

02:54:18.900 --> 02:54:20.100
but yearly renewals.

02:54:20.100 --> 02:54:23.140
But if it only refers to
Chapter 21 contracts,

02:54:23.140 --> 02:54:28.140
then it's not applicable to
assistant supts and supts.

02:54:29.970 --> 02:54:31.103
Yes, Dr. Galvan.

02:54:32.370 --> 02:54:34.787
(indistinct)

02:54:47.980 --> 02:54:49.910
<v ->You probably wouldn't
be abandoning your contract</v>

02:54:49.910 --> 02:54:51.580
if you stayed at the
same school district.

02:54:51.580 --> 02:54:52.640
But it could be either, I guess,

02:54:52.640 --> 02:54:55.080
if some districts going to
report you for abandonment

02:54:55.080 --> 02:54:57.900
at one school, (chuckles)
while they hired you at another,

02:54:57.900 --> 02:54:59.053
which has happened.

02:55:02.236 --> 02:55:05.840
Then this would be cause for
me to close that case. (laughs)

02:55:05.840 --> 02:55:09.543
Without having to ask
to withdraw it. (chuckles)

02:55:10.620 --> 02:55:12.947
<v ->Laura, just let me ask
a procedural question.</v>

02:55:12.947 --> 02:55:15.200
I sort of have heartburn
about some of these,

02:55:15.200 --> 02:55:16.390
and some are okay,

02:55:16.390 --> 02:55:18.120
are we gonna take them individually

02:55:18.120 --> 02:55:22.531
or are we going for the
discussion points or?

02:55:22.531 --> 02:55:23.614
<v ->Right.</v>

02:55:23.614 --> 02:55:26.347
So my plan was to let you go
through stakeholder feedback

02:55:26.347 --> 02:55:27.670
and then to come back
and walk through them

02:55:27.670 --> 02:55:30.080
instead try to take your
temperature and see where we are?

02:55:30.080 --> 02:55:31.470
Which ones we want to move to proposal

02:55:31.470 --> 02:55:33.540
after you've heard everyone weigh in.

02:55:33.540 --> 02:55:35.700
<v ->Okay, sounds good.</v>

02:55:35.700 --> 02:55:37.107
Yes, Ms. Streepey.

02:55:37.943 --> 02:55:40.723
<v ->I had a comment on D also.</v>

02:55:42.900 --> 02:55:46.307
I really want teachers to
have an opportunity to move up

02:55:46.307 --> 02:55:49.110
and there aren't always
all those opportunities.

02:55:49.110 --> 02:55:53.710
In addition to that, there are positions

02:55:53.710 --> 02:55:57.180
that are added late just by virtue

02:55:57.180 --> 02:55:59.380
of human resource departments being busy

02:55:59.380 --> 02:56:02.180
and all of the things changing.

02:56:02.180 --> 02:56:04.590
But what happens is if someone moves up

02:56:04.590 --> 02:56:08.943
to an assistant principal
five days before school starts,

02:56:10.290 --> 02:56:13.950
then that's could be 150 math students

02:56:13.950 --> 02:56:15.300
that don't have their teacher.

02:56:15.300 --> 02:56:19.630
And then what happens
is then they either overload

02:56:19.630 --> 02:56:22.640
the other classes or
they find a potentially

02:56:24.810 --> 02:56:27.000
less competent person.

02:56:27.000 --> 02:56:29.280
So I woke up worrying about this one,

02:56:29.280 --> 02:56:30.630
and I just wanted to throw it out there,

02:56:30.630 --> 02:56:32.980
and see if y'all had any
second thoughts on it.

02:56:40.890 --> 02:56:43.890
I also wondered about a
timeframe on it, like 10 days,

02:56:43.890 --> 02:56:46.523
two weeks, 30 days, something like that.

02:56:46.523 --> 02:56:47.356
So, excuse me.

02:56:48.414 --> 02:56:52.980
<v ->All right, I may be
premature in some of this,</v>

02:56:52.980 --> 02:56:56.763
but the angst I have
about a lot of this is that,

02:56:57.740 --> 02:57:00.190
you have to be careful I
think not only in this matter

02:57:00.190 --> 02:57:03.700
with SBEC but in law
in general for inventing

02:57:03.700 --> 02:57:05.250
additional things,

02:57:05.250 --> 02:57:08.200
because one district can't get it right,

02:57:08.200 --> 02:57:09.080
or just a few.

02:57:09.080 --> 02:57:14.080
I mean, and so the
thing I worry about is that,

02:57:15.320 --> 02:57:17.770
you know, if we get buried
in details where somebody

02:57:17.770 --> 02:57:20.470
is coming forward and
using technicalities every time

02:57:20.470 --> 02:57:24.123
in order to justify
abandonment of contract.

02:57:25.000 --> 02:57:26.370
The more reasons we give them,

02:57:26.370 --> 02:57:28.230
the more chance there is of that.

02:57:28.230 --> 02:57:33.230
And that's why we
already in Pearland ISD,

02:57:33.950 --> 02:57:35.790
I can't speak for
other school districts,

02:57:35.790 --> 02:57:37.640
but basically everything
you've got this page,

02:57:37.640 --> 02:57:40.143
we would very strongly
consider and allow.

02:57:41.080 --> 02:57:44.850
But whether we have to
enforce that from the state level

02:57:44.850 --> 02:57:49.850
on everybody else is what
gives me an angst, I guess.

02:57:50.237 --> 02:57:51.760
<v ->Mr. Chair if I may also.</v>

02:57:51.760 --> 02:57:52.593
<v ->Yes.</v>

02:57:52.593 --> 02:57:54.056
<v ->Just to add to that,</v>

02:57:54.056 --> 02:57:55.020
I think it's gotta be really thoughtful

02:57:55.020 --> 02:57:57.623
about the unintended
consequences for the majority.

02:57:59.877 --> 02:58:02.960
I mean, we already do
this without this particular

02:58:02.960 --> 02:58:04.063
provision.

02:58:08.138 --> 02:58:10.720
When we make decisions
based upon kids needs first,

02:58:10.720 --> 02:58:12.070
when we do promote somebody,

02:58:12.070 --> 02:58:14.440
we wait until we find a
suitable or acceptable

02:58:14.440 --> 02:58:16.050
or qualified candidate to replace that,

02:58:16.050 --> 02:58:17.330
before we move that person out,

02:58:17.330 --> 02:58:20.792
whether it's a semester
end or wherever it might be.

02:58:20.792 --> 02:58:22.916
I think good school
districts are all (indistinct),

02:58:22.916 --> 02:58:23.749
are intending to do those things.

02:58:23.749 --> 02:58:25.480
And I think when you try to
legislate say from this point,

02:58:25.480 --> 02:58:27.990
I don't think it's gonna fix the issue,

02:58:27.990 --> 02:58:30.360
'cause you're not mandating
a school district to say,

02:58:30.360 --> 02:58:31.480
don't do it.

02:58:31.480 --> 02:58:33.610
This is a rule after the fact

02:58:33.610 --> 02:58:35.540
or whatever they're gonna do.

02:58:35.540 --> 02:58:36.950
So I think that once again,

02:58:36.950 --> 02:58:40.590
all it does is open the door for folks

02:58:40.590 --> 02:58:42.773
to take advantage of the situation.

02:58:42.773 --> 02:58:44.500
And I'm not sure that's a good thing

02:58:44.500 --> 02:58:46.270
from what it is to how to.

02:58:46.270 --> 02:58:48.500
I think the intent is to fix the issue,

02:58:48.500 --> 02:58:51.600
but I'm not really sure if
this is gonna fix the issue.

02:58:51.600 --> 02:58:55.800
All it does is to say, if it
happens, this is what happens.

02:58:55.800 --> 02:58:57.530
Well, that's not fixing the issue

02:58:57.530 --> 02:58:59.420
if you really weren't
interested in fixing the issue.

02:58:59.420 --> 02:59:01.210
That's a whole different
process, in my opinion,

02:59:01.210 --> 02:59:04.250
maybe legislative authority
or statute or training

02:59:04.250 --> 02:59:05.920
and awareness and so forth.

02:59:05.920 --> 02:59:09.460
But I would worry about additional,

02:59:09.460 --> 02:59:11.710
once again, rules that really,

02:59:11.710 --> 02:59:14.480
in my opinion hamper school districts

02:59:14.480 --> 02:59:15.893
from trying to do the good things

02:59:15.893 --> 02:59:18.843
that they need to take care
of for baseball and kids needs.

02:59:20.260 --> 02:59:21.667
<v ->Yes, Ms. Streepey.</v>

02:59:22.650 --> 02:59:24.530
<v ->Can you give me an
example of one of those</v>

02:59:24.530 --> 02:59:26.650
that in particular that
you're thinking of?

02:59:26.650 --> 02:59:30.010
Because I mean, I can see
different pieces of that myself,

02:59:30.010 --> 02:59:33.310
and so but I also think not everyone

02:59:33.310 --> 02:59:38.310
might give teachers those
graces that maybe you do.

02:59:44.740 --> 02:59:47.855
<v ->Well, I think once again
these are somewhat,</v>

02:59:47.855 --> 02:59:52.100
especially with the good
cause I think these are already

02:59:52.100 --> 02:59:54.400
in my opinion in our school district,

02:59:54.400 --> 02:59:57.560
we already take care of
without this particular provision

02:59:57.560 --> 02:59:58.393
in that.

02:59:58.393 --> 03:00:01.040
So you will not see in
my 10 years or 15 years

03:00:01.040 --> 03:00:03.500
of doing this particular
job that I hold now,

03:00:03.500 --> 03:00:07.610
I don't think I've never submitted
a job abandonment issue

03:00:07.610 --> 03:00:09.810
that we could not
resolve at the local level

03:00:10.670 --> 03:00:12.370
in two different school districts.

03:00:13.290 --> 03:00:17.490
So once again, the
unintended consequences,

03:00:17.490 --> 03:00:21.050
I'm tryna calculate what that
is based upon these things?

03:00:21.050 --> 03:00:23.450
And then all we're gonna
be settled with more cases

03:00:23.450 --> 03:00:26.440
at this level as a result of
these unintended concequences.

03:00:26.440 --> 03:00:31.350
<v ->Ms. Streepey if I can add
there from the easiest one</v>

03:00:31.350 --> 03:00:32.590
that I thought of off the top of my head

03:00:32.590 --> 03:00:34.500
is under mitigating factors G

03:00:34.500 --> 03:00:37.510
which is the immediate
threat of physical harm.

03:00:37.510 --> 03:00:40.310
Every year there are teachers who say,

03:00:40.310 --> 03:00:42.600
my working conditions are unsafe,

03:00:42.600 --> 03:00:43.720
whether it's COVID,

03:00:43.720 --> 03:00:46.840
whether it's a perception of mold,

03:00:46.840 --> 03:00:48.700
it could be a hundred things.

03:00:48.700 --> 03:00:51.410
And I just don't wanna
get down into the weeds

03:00:51.410 --> 03:00:55.410
over a definition of what
is a immediate threat

03:00:55.410 --> 03:00:56.950
of physical harm,

03:00:56.950 --> 03:01:01.767
because those allegations
are made all the time

03:01:01.767 --> 03:01:03.833
and some are justified and some are not.

03:01:05.660 --> 03:01:06.920
Yes.

03:01:06.920 --> 03:01:09.750
<v ->But again, what are we
going to do for the teacher</v>

03:01:09.750 --> 03:01:12.910
that is in a position whose collarbone

03:01:12.910 --> 03:01:15.842
has now been broken,
whose nose has been broken,

03:01:15.842 --> 03:01:20.842
and tell them that when
they leave that position,

03:01:22.300 --> 03:01:24.340
they cannot get another position.

03:01:24.340 --> 03:01:26.760
And that's...

03:01:28.010 --> 03:01:29.030
<v ->Yeah, (indistinct).</v>

03:01:30.080 --> 03:01:31.456
Mr. Coleman.

03:01:31.456 --> 03:01:34.110
<v ->I think Dr. Kelly both you
and a Superintendent Kim</v>

03:01:34.110 --> 03:01:37.260
make great points about
the unintended consequences

03:01:41.805 --> 03:01:43.810
of making rules and creating rules

03:01:43.810 --> 03:01:46.480
where they're not probably
not necessarily warranted.

03:01:46.480 --> 03:01:47.313
And I agree with that.

03:01:47.313 --> 03:01:49.770
I'm not a big proponent of making rules

03:01:49.770 --> 03:01:51.730
for making rules sake,

03:01:51.730 --> 03:01:53.500
but I do think that this is an area

03:01:53.500 --> 03:01:57.490
that the board needs to be
definitive on and speak on,

03:01:57.490 --> 03:02:01.180
in both of these instances
with regard to change

03:02:01.180 --> 03:02:03.950
in employment and
both with regard to safety.

03:02:03.950 --> 03:02:06.060
As far as opening up the flood gates,

03:02:06.060 --> 03:02:10.105
I would hope that after we
consider a number of these cases

03:02:10.105 --> 03:02:12.560
and we make a number of our decisions

03:02:12.560 --> 03:02:14.550
that we will hopefully set a precedent

03:02:14.550 --> 03:02:15.973
that the staff can rely on,

03:02:16.992 --> 03:02:19.763
and that the educators can
rely on and their counsel.

03:02:21.530 --> 03:02:24.480
But I do think the safety of educators

03:02:24.480 --> 03:02:27.820
to the extent that the
district refuses to address

03:02:27.820 --> 03:02:31.020
these issues is something
that we should speak on.

03:02:31.020 --> 03:02:34.320
And also how often will
a change of employment

03:02:34.320 --> 03:02:39.320
that leads to a true class that relates

03:02:39.560 --> 03:02:42.810
to a change in the class of certificates

03:02:42.810 --> 03:02:44.670
rather than someone chasing the dollar,

03:02:44.670 --> 03:02:47.081
how often would that situation come up?

03:02:47.081 --> 03:02:48.485
So.

03:02:48.485 --> 03:02:50.902
(indistinct)

03:02:59.430 --> 03:03:01.410
<v ->The example in my mind is,</v>

03:03:01.410 --> 03:03:05.140
someone is a special ed teacher for us,

03:03:05.140 --> 03:03:08.210
gets an offer in another
district to be a special ed teacher

03:03:08.210 --> 03:03:10.953
that's bilingually certified,
and the person says,

03:03:10.953 --> 03:03:13.820
see, I'm gonna have
bilingual certification

03:03:13.820 --> 03:03:15.150
added in this job,

03:03:15.150 --> 03:03:16.800
I don't have it at my present job,

03:03:16.800 --> 03:03:21.530
therefore I'm eligible to
for contract abandonment.

03:03:21.530 --> 03:03:23.250
And yet really all that's happening

03:03:23.250 --> 03:03:25.371
is they're going from
a teacher in one district

03:03:25.371 --> 03:03:26.940
to a teacher in another.

03:03:26.940 --> 03:03:27.970
<v ->So right.</v>

03:03:27.970 --> 03:03:29.870
There's a difference
between certification class

03:03:29.870 --> 03:03:31.320
and certification field.

03:03:31.320 --> 03:03:32.930
And what you're
describing a certificate,

03:03:32.930 --> 03:03:35.342
Marilyn, stop me if I
say something wrong.

03:03:35.342 --> 03:03:36.311
(chuckles)

03:03:36.311 --> 03:03:38.270
So when you were
describing a certification field.

03:03:38.270 --> 03:03:41.290
So in this, you will
not be able to change

03:03:41.290 --> 03:03:44.570
teaching positions even to
a new kind of teaching job

03:03:44.570 --> 03:03:47.410
that you have a different
classroom educator

03:03:47.410 --> 03:03:48.790
certificate for.

03:03:48.790 --> 03:03:50.240
It will have to be a different class.

03:03:50.240 --> 03:03:52.600
So different classes
are classroom teacher,

03:03:52.600 --> 03:03:56.180
librarian, counselor,
principal, superintendent.

03:03:56.180 --> 03:03:58.320
Those are all separate classes.

03:03:58.320 --> 03:03:59.550
Within each class,

03:03:59.550 --> 03:04:02.500
like classroom teacher has
many fields within the class

03:04:02.500 --> 03:04:04.590
that we're only looking
at the class level,

03:04:04.590 --> 03:04:05.690
not at the field level.

03:04:05.690 --> 03:04:07.620
<v ->Okay, good.</v>

03:04:07.620 --> 03:04:09.030
<v ->Yes, Courtney.</v>

03:04:09.030 --> 03:04:10.351
<v ->Courtney.</v>

03:04:10.351 --> 03:04:11.420
<v ->(clears throat) Right, I
remember a few cases</v>

03:04:11.420 --> 03:04:13.330
kind of similar to what
you're just describing.

03:04:13.330 --> 03:04:15.910
And I think the hard
thing for me is that,

03:04:15.910 --> 03:04:19.240
yes, there's a classroom
that's being like left unattended

03:04:19.240 --> 03:04:20.073
by the teacher,

03:04:20.073 --> 03:04:22.300
but then if they go to another school

03:04:22.300 --> 03:04:24.839
and they have a
current current classroom

03:04:24.839 --> 03:04:25.760
and they're in a current job,

03:04:25.760 --> 03:04:27.270
and we've seen
superintendents and principals

03:04:27.270 --> 03:04:28.397
come with these teachers saying,

03:04:28.397 --> 03:04:30.100
"We don't wanna lose her."

03:04:30.100 --> 03:04:31.844
You know, and now she's suspended,

03:04:31.844 --> 03:04:34.347
you're now two classes
are now without teachers.

03:04:34.347 --> 03:04:37.280
And so I just feel like
there's a nuance there

03:04:37.280 --> 03:04:39.200
that also I think is worth considering

03:04:39.200 --> 03:04:42.550
that we don't wanna remove teachers

03:04:42.550 --> 03:04:45.303
from two sets of
students or two schools.

03:04:46.445 --> 03:04:47.278
<v ->Oh, okay.</v>

03:04:47.278 --> 03:04:48.840
<v ->If I may, Dr. Kelly,</v>

03:04:48.840 --> 03:04:52.050
you have a rule that
already tries to address that.

03:04:52.050 --> 03:04:53.470
If someone is in a classroom,

03:04:53.470 --> 03:04:55.360
the settlement for their case,

03:04:55.360 --> 03:04:57.270
we can't do an agreed
order that starts right then,

03:04:57.270 --> 03:04:58.730
it starts at the end of the school year.

03:04:58.730 --> 03:05:01.793
So that's your rules of have
tried to address that already.

03:05:03.530 --> 03:05:04.648
<v ->I see.</v>

03:05:04.648 --> 03:05:07.890
(indistinct)

03:05:07.890 --> 03:05:09.040
<v ->Right, but at the
end of the school year</v>

03:05:09.040 --> 03:05:10.720
and actually the same
data I was citing earlier

03:05:10.720 --> 03:05:12.560
for the decline in student performance,

03:05:12.560 --> 03:05:15.090
doesn't there is no similar decline

03:05:15.090 --> 03:05:16.950
if someone leaves at
the end of the school year.

03:05:16.950 --> 03:05:19.220
That that kind of decline only happens

03:05:19.220 --> 03:05:22.040
when someone's leaving in
the middle of the school year.

03:05:22.040 --> 03:05:22.873
<v ->All right, Mr. Gore.</v>

03:05:22.873 --> 03:05:24.450
Yes, sir.

03:05:24.450 --> 03:05:26.743
<v ->To the point about
the safety issue,</v>

03:05:29.300 --> 03:05:33.280
would it perhaps address the
concerns you guys referenced,

03:05:33.280 --> 03:05:36.480
which is lots of people feel
unsafe about lots of things.

03:05:36.480 --> 03:05:38.550
If as it currently reads,

03:05:38.550 --> 03:05:41.910
it says educator resigned
due to working conditions,

03:05:41.910 --> 03:05:44.830
reasonably posed to
immediate threat of physical harm

03:05:44.830 --> 03:05:45.793
to the educator.

03:05:47.510 --> 03:05:50.760
What if we moved the
immediate reasonably posed

03:05:50.760 --> 03:05:55.760
and reasonably pose
a threat of immediate

03:05:57.600 --> 03:06:00.610
and significant physical
harm to the educator.

03:06:00.610 --> 03:06:05.020
which would seem if it's
immediate and insignificant,

03:06:05.020 --> 03:06:07.180
that would seem to address the issues

03:06:07.180 --> 03:06:09.230
which most people seem
to be concerned about,

03:06:09.230 --> 03:06:11.080
which is that those classes

03:06:11.080 --> 03:06:14.460
where there's a level of violence

03:06:14.460 --> 03:06:18.710
or potential violence that
is subjecting the teacher

03:06:18.710 --> 03:06:22.557
to a significant physical harm,

03:06:22.557 --> 03:06:26.099
as opposed to the
more abstract issue of,

03:06:26.099 --> 03:06:29.940
I perceive mold or I heard
there's mold in this class

03:06:29.940 --> 03:06:31.660
and I'm feeling.

03:06:31.660 --> 03:06:32.800
<v ->Yeah.</v>

03:06:32.800 --> 03:06:34.563
I still think then you
get into the definition

03:06:34.563 --> 03:06:36.023
of what is significant?

03:06:37.060 --> 03:06:39.400
The thing that I liked
from yesterday was,

03:06:39.400 --> 03:06:43.120
if any school district said
you've been assaulted,

03:06:43.120 --> 03:06:45.900
and yet we're not gonna
allow you to leave your contract,

03:06:45.900 --> 03:06:50.190
that is just awful and
would be something

03:06:50.190 --> 03:06:54.250
that we should
exercise jurisdiction over

03:06:54.250 --> 03:06:55.970
and say, come on.

03:06:55.970 --> 03:06:59.050
But there's a lot of lesser
things people nowadays,

03:06:59.050 --> 03:07:02.850
you know, have a safe
space or talk about safety

03:07:02.850 --> 03:07:04.700
on everything from A to Z,

03:07:04.700 --> 03:07:07.363
and they would call it
significant and immediate.

03:07:08.330 --> 03:07:10.330
And my worry is that
we'd be in the middle

03:07:10.330 --> 03:07:12.483
of potential litigation over that.

03:07:15.480 --> 03:07:16.730
Those are my concerns.

03:07:16.730 --> 03:07:18.230
I don't wanna put them too strongly,

03:07:18.230 --> 03:07:21.490
but those are my angst this issue.

03:07:21.490 --> 03:07:23.340
<v ->Now you (indistinct)
that, I don't.</v>

03:07:25.260 --> 03:07:28.179
<v ->I'll just add to that
Mr. Chair, if I may.</v>

03:07:28.179 --> 03:07:31.819
I think just certainly just
living through last year.

03:07:31.819 --> 03:07:33.450
I think there's certainly
everything is significant

03:07:33.450 --> 03:07:34.283
to that degree.

03:07:34.283 --> 03:07:37.420
So I think, although I, you know,

03:07:37.420 --> 03:07:42.420
the balancing act of
trying to work with teachers

03:07:44.971 --> 03:07:46.550
and in helping them support them.

03:07:46.550 --> 03:07:49.240
As a superintendent, we certainly don't.

03:07:49.240 --> 03:07:50.840
I mean, obviously we
wanna work with students.

03:07:50.840 --> 03:07:53.830
I mean, teachers that are
feeling a sense of a threat

03:07:53.830 --> 03:07:57.523
and but if there's a
distinction made about,

03:07:58.795 --> 03:08:00.120
'cause majority of the
issues that we deal with,

03:08:00.120 --> 03:08:02.650
when it comes to
physical harm and so forth

03:08:02.650 --> 03:08:04.980
is regarding student
discipline issues and so forth

03:08:04.980 --> 03:08:07.820
rather than this sort
of issues of causation

03:08:07.820 --> 03:08:09.970
due to the fears of what we had dealt

03:08:09.970 --> 03:08:12.360
with this past school year
and perhaps in the future

03:08:12.360 --> 03:08:13.730
coming up.

03:08:13.730 --> 03:08:16.040
So I wonder if there's
a way to distinguish

03:08:16.040 --> 03:08:18.010
those two in some sense?

03:08:18.010 --> 03:08:19.650
At the same time, I
will say board members

03:08:19.650 --> 03:08:20.940
that school districts,

03:08:20.940 --> 03:08:22.640
whenever there's a
teacher in our school district,

03:08:22.640 --> 03:08:25.690
certainly have a
situation with a student

03:08:25.690 --> 03:08:27.770
from an assault situation.

03:08:27.770 --> 03:08:30.040
We obviously through the Chapter 37,

03:08:30.040 --> 03:08:31.150
which is a disciplinary code,

03:08:31.150 --> 03:08:34.080
we remove that particular
student off that class.

03:08:34.080 --> 03:08:36.770
There's even a law
enforcement involved in that.

03:08:36.770 --> 03:08:40.010
There's also assault leave
for that teacher as well.

03:08:40.010 --> 03:08:42.330
And in many cases, school
districts are certainly in ours.

03:08:42.330 --> 03:08:45.400
We accommodate that
teacher by reassigning them

03:08:45.400 --> 03:08:47.230
to a different place
or different schools.

03:08:47.230 --> 03:08:49.865
So that we're sure we give
them an extended time off,

03:08:49.865 --> 03:08:52.760
they also do have FMLA designations.

03:08:52.760 --> 03:08:54.800
they can take some
time off to recuperate

03:08:54.800 --> 03:08:55.930
and so forth and so on.

03:08:55.930 --> 03:08:58.420
So there's multiple different layers

03:08:58.420 --> 03:09:00.990
that are already in
place that school districts

03:09:00.990 --> 03:09:05.430
can exercise to deal with
teachers who may feel harm

03:09:05.430 --> 03:09:06.263
in that regard.

03:09:06.263 --> 03:09:09.510
So the student's not
left in that classroom

03:09:10.980 --> 03:09:13.660
shouldn't be through
the disciplinary situation

03:09:13.660 --> 03:09:14.990
in that classroom with that teacher,

03:09:14.990 --> 03:09:17.263
if there was truly an
assault in that regard.

03:09:18.480 --> 03:09:20.920
So I think that's something to be always

03:09:20.920 --> 03:09:22.573
be thoughtful about in.

03:09:26.410 --> 03:09:28.220
This notion of the mitigating factor

03:09:28.220 --> 03:09:31.390
is really somewhat
concerning to me in many ways

03:09:31.390 --> 03:09:34.110
about how do we differentiate
some of those issues.

03:09:34.110 --> 03:09:36.750
If there are unfortunate,
bad school districts

03:09:36.750 --> 03:09:39.080
or bad characters who
don't necessarily utilize

03:09:39.080 --> 03:09:43.260
all their levels of support
that you already have in place,

03:09:43.260 --> 03:09:44.970
which there are a bunch.

03:09:44.970 --> 03:09:47.740
And then there's also
discretion by HR departments

03:09:47.740 --> 03:09:50.470
and school districts to
do a lot of different things

03:09:50.470 --> 03:09:51.550
just as well too.

03:09:51.550 --> 03:09:53.093
So, and it gets protocol.

03:09:53.980 --> 03:09:56.330
And it's on social media these days.

03:09:56.330 --> 03:09:59.143
So it gets legislated
out there just as much.

03:10:00.525 --> 03:10:03.310
So you got all of that
out there already in place.

03:10:03.310 --> 03:10:07.110
So my thought is, how do you
make some of these situations?

03:10:07.110 --> 03:10:08.020
I will tell you personally,

03:10:08.020 --> 03:10:11.810
we dealt with a couple of
issues regarding special ed areas.

03:10:11.810 --> 03:10:15.730
And I will say that that is a
more complex in that regard.

03:10:15.730 --> 03:10:18.860
And the reason the
complexity rises due to the fact

03:10:18.860 --> 03:10:22.673
that that child also has
federal protection through IDEA.

03:10:23.550 --> 03:10:26.623
And how do you make that work?

03:10:26.623 --> 03:10:31.000
So that will have a lot of complexity

03:10:31.000 --> 03:10:32.560
whenever there was a
case that could come up,

03:10:32.560 --> 03:10:33.400
I guess, in this word.

03:10:33.400 --> 03:10:35.830
So I just wanna give you some sort of a,

03:10:35.830 --> 03:10:37.510
perhaps a background information about

03:10:37.510 --> 03:10:40.303
how that will go in
some sense, contextually.

03:10:41.825 --> 03:10:43.860
<v ->Thank you, superintendent Kim.</v>

03:10:43.860 --> 03:10:44.743
Dr. Galvan.

03:10:49.036 --> 03:10:50.290
<v ->I'm gonna take a deep breath.</v>

03:10:50.290 --> 03:10:51.123
Okay.

03:10:53.640 --> 03:10:58.640
On one hand we have, do
we open up Pandora's box?

03:11:02.030 --> 03:11:07.030
And then we have in your
as great superintendents

03:11:10.350 --> 03:11:12.730
that seriousness of special ed

03:11:12.730 --> 03:11:17.730
and special education is very unique.

03:11:17.810 --> 03:11:22.283
The rights of a student
on an IEP are so unique,

03:11:23.260 --> 03:11:26.710
yet you have the other
special education students

03:11:26.710 --> 03:11:31.570
that if the teacher leaves
now you've got perception

03:11:31.570 --> 03:11:36.570
and safety that now those
students are out of a teacher

03:11:37.790 --> 03:11:41.683
that they were felt comfortable with.

03:11:43.670 --> 03:11:46.920
And yet you've brought
up a very valid point

03:11:46.920 --> 03:11:50.163
at what point is the teacher protected?

03:11:51.760 --> 03:11:54.893
So it seems like it's very complex.

03:11:56.050 --> 03:11:59.560
And is there something
else that could go under

03:11:59.560 --> 03:12:03.200
and not be that specific
like in a special education?

03:12:03.200 --> 03:12:06.440
Is this something that
belongs elsewhere?

03:12:06.440 --> 03:12:11.310
Special education in for
superintendents or principals,

03:12:11.310 --> 03:12:13.920
for special education teachers?

03:12:13.920 --> 03:12:18.600
Is this something that
is so broad and complex

03:12:18.600 --> 03:12:23.600
that it could bring up other issues,

03:12:25.770 --> 03:12:26.800
legal issues?

03:12:26.800 --> 03:12:28.373
<v ->All right.</v>

03:12:28.373 --> 03:12:30.020
Thank you, Dr. Galvan.

03:12:30.020 --> 03:12:31.570
Dr. Bob, did you have your hand up?

03:12:31.570 --> 03:12:32.403
<v ->Yes, sir.</v>

03:12:34.000 --> 03:12:35.720
<v ->Yes, and I don't
know the answer.</v>

03:12:35.720 --> 03:12:36.700
I'm glad you brought that up.

03:12:36.700 --> 03:12:38.447
I don't have an answer (indistinct).

03:12:40.490 --> 03:12:44.150
Basically, the angst that some
board members are feeling

03:12:44.150 --> 03:12:45.550
about good cause,

03:12:45.550 --> 03:12:47.210
and I know what we discussed yesterday,

03:12:47.210 --> 03:12:49.530
but I've forgotten it
all, I slept since then.

03:12:49.530 --> 03:12:54.530
But if you were to take D, E, F and G

03:12:55.470 --> 03:12:58.140
since we can mitigate down to zero.

03:12:58.140 --> 03:13:00.160
And if you were to move
those from good cause

03:13:00.160 --> 03:13:01.630
down to mitigating factors,

03:13:01.630 --> 03:13:06.630
would that be too much
of a watering down to do?

03:13:07.410 --> 03:13:09.780
Or would that eliminate the angst

03:13:09.780 --> 03:13:13.830
of some of the board
members in the proliferation

03:13:13.830 --> 03:13:15.933
of what constitutes good cause.

03:13:20.390 --> 03:13:21.778
<v ->If you're asking.</v>

03:13:21.778 --> 03:13:24.950
(indistinct)

03:13:24.950 --> 03:13:25.783
<v ->I can weigh in on that.</v>

03:13:25.783 --> 03:13:28.850
<v ->Board members should
consider that and comment.</v>

03:13:28.850 --> 03:13:31.680
<v ->I just wanna talk about
from staff's perspective,</v>

03:13:31.680 --> 03:13:33.980
the difference between good
cause and a mitigating factor.

03:13:33.980 --> 03:13:35.310
I'm never gonna close a case

03:13:35.310 --> 03:13:36.910
because of a mitigating factor, right?

03:13:36.910 --> 03:13:39.240
That's gonna be a decision for y'all.

03:13:39.240 --> 03:13:40.310
If there's mitigating factors,

03:13:40.310 --> 03:13:41.860
I may offer them a lower settlement,

03:13:41.860 --> 03:13:43.460
but I'm not gonna just close it.

03:13:44.810 --> 03:13:48.120
So if we're looking for efficiency

03:13:48.120 --> 03:13:51.090
and to get these cases out of the system

03:13:51.090 --> 03:13:54.100
with as little hassle for
the educator as possible,

03:13:54.100 --> 03:13:56.500
then the answer is
to make it good cause,

03:13:56.500 --> 03:14:01.330
otherwise I will offer a
lower settlement offer, right?

03:14:01.330 --> 03:14:03.010
But they will still have to go,

03:14:03.010 --> 03:14:04.810
come to you to get a
final answer on that.

03:14:04.810 --> 03:14:08.293
I won't be able to just close
the case as soon as I see it.

03:14:11.020 --> 03:14:13.903
<v ->Excuse me, Ms. McDonald,
did you have a comment?</v>

03:14:15.411 --> 03:14:17.040
(indistinct)

03:14:17.040 --> 03:14:18.123
No, I was finished.

03:14:19.810 --> 03:14:24.810
Now I've just leaning
on Laura's type of job

03:14:26.160 --> 03:14:27.230
that I have a superintendent,

03:14:27.230 --> 03:14:29.170
I wanna eliminate ambiguity

03:14:29.170 --> 03:14:31.800
so that we're dealing
with black and whites.

03:14:31.800 --> 03:14:34.260
But my fear is and all this,

03:14:34.260 --> 03:14:36.580
I think what we're
expressing is Dr. Galvan

03:14:36.580 --> 03:14:40.500
very eloquently put it is
opening Pandora's box.

03:14:40.500 --> 03:14:42.453
Those are the concerns.

03:14:44.400 --> 03:14:45.233
Yes, Julia.

03:14:45.233 --> 03:14:46.066
Ms Dvorak.

03:14:46.066 --> 03:14:46.899
<v ->Thank you.</v>

03:14:46.899 --> 03:14:48.530
I actually wanna say thank you to Laura

03:14:48.530 --> 03:14:50.830
for taking everything
that we did yesterday

03:14:50.830 --> 03:14:52.820
and putting it on paper,
because that was a task.

03:14:52.820 --> 03:14:54.300
And I really appreciate it.

03:14:54.300 --> 03:14:56.790
And I also really appreciate
the comments from both of you

03:14:56.790 --> 03:14:59.500
about your districts and the people

03:14:59.500 --> 03:15:01.360
that were on our panel yesterday,

03:15:01.360 --> 03:15:04.310
because everyone seemed
to agree that in their districts,

03:15:04.310 --> 03:15:06.360
in their areas, these
would all be good cause,

03:15:06.360 --> 03:15:08.750
they would let people out
of their contracts for this.

03:15:08.750 --> 03:15:10.200
Absolutely, I think
the word was released

03:15:10.200 --> 03:15:11.830
from their contract, right?

03:15:11.830 --> 03:15:13.870
That was encouraging to me,

03:15:13.870 --> 03:15:16.490
because obviously any
teacher working for you guys

03:15:16.490 --> 03:15:18.180
it's a blessing for them.

03:15:18.180 --> 03:15:20.980
Unfortunately, not
every district is like that,

03:15:20.980 --> 03:15:24.140
and not every superintendent
are like the two of you.

03:15:24.140 --> 03:15:26.340
And I have definitely been in situations

03:15:26.340 --> 03:15:31.090
where I've seen these factors
and they were not let out,

03:15:31.090 --> 03:15:32.590
we've seen cases in front of us

03:15:32.590 --> 03:15:35.260
that I've had to take votes
on that would have fallen

03:15:35.260 --> 03:15:37.240
under these categories.

03:15:37.240 --> 03:15:39.560
And that's why I think
even though these things

03:15:39.560 --> 03:15:41.680
are happening in great districts,

03:15:41.680 --> 03:15:43.010
like the two of y'all's,

03:15:43.010 --> 03:15:44.270
they're not happening everywhere.

03:15:44.270 --> 03:15:46.080
And I think that's our job, right?

03:15:46.080 --> 03:15:47.750
Is to say these are things

03:15:47.750 --> 03:15:50.900
that we all identify and
agree would be good cause,

03:15:50.900 --> 03:15:53.260
and I just appreciate
everyone kind of taking the time

03:15:53.260 --> 03:15:54.093
to think through that.

03:15:54.093 --> 03:15:56.390
Maybe not for the incredible districts

03:15:56.390 --> 03:15:58.140
that already do a great job of this,

03:15:58.140 --> 03:15:59.740
but for those that
don't and the teachers

03:15:59.740 --> 03:16:02.080
that don't maybe have the same support

03:16:02.080 --> 03:16:03.880
that you guys give y'all's teachers.

03:16:04.856 --> 03:16:05.689
<v ->Thank you.</v>

03:16:05.689 --> 03:16:07.231
Thank you very much, Ms. Dvorak.

03:16:07.231 --> 03:16:08.064
Rohanna.

03:16:09.210 --> 03:16:10.043
<v ->And thank you.</v>

03:16:10.043 --> 03:16:12.680
Actually, I was going to
echo what Ms. Dvorak said.

03:16:12.680 --> 03:16:17.680
And also in adding these, the
good cause these four items.

03:16:20.150 --> 03:16:22.390
I wonder if that would be a deterrent

03:16:22.390 --> 03:16:26.390
for some of those
districts that send in cases

03:16:26.390 --> 03:16:29.250
without even looking whereas
if they were in your district,

03:16:29.250 --> 03:16:30.540
you already would have negotiated

03:16:30.540 --> 03:16:34.760
that as an excellent
district with that person.

03:16:34.760 --> 03:16:36.360
I wonder if that would be a deterrent

03:16:36.360 --> 03:16:39.360
because then you would be
sending back lots of their cases

03:16:39.360 --> 03:16:43.453
and or any cases for any
district across the state.

03:16:44.440 --> 03:16:47.150
Would that decrease the amount of cases

03:16:47.150 --> 03:16:48.450
that actually come through,

03:16:48.450 --> 03:16:52.123
because it would already be
established as good cause?

03:16:54.283 --> 03:16:55.116
<v ->If I may Chairman,</v>

03:16:55.116 --> 03:16:56.320
we saw from the data.

03:16:56.320 --> 03:16:59.645
When I showed you the
data longitudinally last time.

03:16:59.645 --> 03:17:00.910
The last time the board
declared good cause,

03:17:00.910 --> 03:17:02.540
we had a drop in reported cases

03:17:02.540 --> 03:17:05.200
that I think was as a
response to that was districts

03:17:05.200 --> 03:17:07.130
reassessing their process.

03:17:07.130 --> 03:17:09.810
Now, that is that drop has
not maintained over time.

03:17:09.810 --> 03:17:11.600
And there are plenty of
cases that get reported to us

03:17:11.600 --> 03:17:13.840
that fall within the
good cause categories.

03:17:13.840 --> 03:17:16.160
But the fortunate thing about
the good cause categories

03:17:16.160 --> 03:17:18.960
is that it allows us
to close those cases

03:17:18.960 --> 03:17:23.960
with minimal expense
and drama for the educator,

03:17:23.963 --> 03:17:26.120
which is the goal and the
good cause area, right?

03:17:26.120 --> 03:17:29.850
Is to get these to not
make someone's life terrible

03:17:29.850 --> 03:17:32.400
when they've fallen into
one of these circumstances.

03:17:32.400 --> 03:17:35.760
So the data would suggest that perhaps

03:17:35.760 --> 03:17:38.400
it would be deterrent,
but even if it isn't,

03:17:38.400 --> 03:17:43.370
it would allow staff to mitigate
the harm to the educator

03:17:43.370 --> 03:17:45.393
if they were to fall into this.

03:17:47.560 --> 03:17:48.393
<v ->Thank you, Laura.</v>

03:17:48.393 --> 03:17:50.640
That's very helpful to me.

03:17:50.640 --> 03:17:52.100
Yes, Courtney.

03:17:52.100 --> 03:17:53.210
<v ->So I think one of the things</v>

03:17:53.210 --> 03:17:54.610
that came out of our
discussion yesterday

03:17:54.610 --> 03:17:56.050
that I thought was really enlightening

03:17:56.050 --> 03:17:58.770
that I think kinda gives me perspective

03:17:58.770 --> 03:18:01.970
on what might fall into
good cause versus mitigating

03:18:01.970 --> 03:18:05.250
is that it appeared, I think
we were learnt a lot of us

03:18:05.250 --> 03:18:06.680
were kind of surprised yesterday

03:18:06.680 --> 03:18:10.530
that we had to learn that
we had more flexibility

03:18:10.530 --> 03:18:12.930
in how we assign sanctions

03:18:12.930 --> 03:18:16.250
in some of these mitigating factors.

03:18:16.250 --> 03:18:20.140
I know I personally, I felt
like we've wanted to go

03:18:21.440 --> 03:18:23.090
farther reducing sanctions

03:18:23.090 --> 03:18:25.150
and I'd been flat out told no,

03:18:25.150 --> 03:18:25.983
that we can't do that.

03:18:25.983 --> 03:18:28.270
And it sounds like
yesterday that we got told,

03:18:28.270 --> 03:18:30.010
no, we can do that.

03:18:30.010 --> 03:18:35.010
And so if we have some
flexibility there to apply

03:18:35.010 --> 03:18:36.570
when we're doing sanctions,

03:18:36.570 --> 03:18:40.720
I have a lot less heartburn
about expanding the good cause.

03:18:40.720 --> 03:18:41.580
<v ->Yeah.</v>

03:18:41.580 --> 03:18:43.467
<v ->Umbrella or bucket
of all those things.</v>

03:18:43.467 --> 03:18:45.560
And maybe talking about
maybe putting some of those more

03:18:45.560 --> 03:18:47.240
into the mitigating factors.

03:18:47.240 --> 03:18:50.090
Especially, since I think we
do have a little more control

03:18:50.090 --> 03:18:53.223
than I think maybe we
perceived in the past here.

03:18:54.152 --> 03:18:55.652
<v ->Yeah, thank you.</v>

03:18:57.570 --> 03:18:59.048
Mr Coleman.

03:18:59.048 --> 03:18:59.881
Yes, sir.

03:18:59.881 --> 03:19:01.280
<v ->Really briefly, I
agree with Ms. Dvorak,</v>

03:19:01.280 --> 03:19:03.253
I agree with Ms. Brooks-Sykes,

03:19:05.550 --> 03:19:08.900
as it relates to the
message that we send

03:19:08.900 --> 03:19:12.300
by including this
language in good cause,

03:19:12.300 --> 03:19:15.060
and as for the mitigating
factor of the working conditions

03:19:15.060 --> 03:19:19.270
that pose a threat of
harm to the educator.

03:19:19.270 --> 03:19:22.110
I don't know that there's
any other area in our rules

03:19:22.110 --> 03:19:23.260
that speak to that.

03:19:23.260 --> 03:19:25.820
And again, I would echo if there is,

03:19:25.820 --> 03:19:26.660
I'd be curious to know,

03:19:26.660 --> 03:19:29.310
I would echo that, if
for no other reason

03:19:29.310 --> 03:19:31.620
we need to include
this to send a message

03:19:31.620 --> 03:19:34.870
about the direction
that this board thinks

03:19:34.870 --> 03:19:36.880
or the importance of this topic

03:19:36.880 --> 03:19:40.483
that the board places
on it for the district.

03:19:41.580 --> 03:19:42.840
And again, I would hope that,

03:19:42.840 --> 03:19:45.220
through our handling of these cases,

03:19:45.220 --> 03:19:46.560
through our precedent,

03:19:46.560 --> 03:19:49.910
that we take away some of these cases

03:19:50.860 --> 03:19:55.100
that are filed just for lack
of a better term frivolously.

03:19:55.100 --> 03:19:55.933
So.

03:19:58.040 --> 03:19:59.590
<v ->Yes, Ms. Dvorak.</v>

03:19:59.590 --> 03:20:00.870
<v ->Thank you, Chairman.</v>

03:20:00.870 --> 03:20:03.230
My thoughts on the mitigating factors

03:20:03.230 --> 03:20:06.770
versus good cause is that
say someone got the promotion,

03:20:06.770 --> 03:20:09.740
we've all agreed we would
really let them get the promotion.

03:20:09.740 --> 03:20:12.160
But if it's only a mitigating factor,

03:20:12.160 --> 03:20:15.050
then we have to sanction them somehow

03:20:15.050 --> 03:20:17.170
or at least get to the point
where we would mitigate

03:20:17.170 --> 03:20:18.340
it all the way down.

03:20:18.340 --> 03:20:19.850
So that would mean
you would get a promotion

03:20:19.850 --> 03:20:21.770
maybe you're gonna
be a principal at a school.

03:20:21.770 --> 03:20:23.370
And then all of a sudden,

03:20:23.370 --> 03:20:24.750
oh, at the end of the school year,

03:20:24.750 --> 03:20:26.850
I'm actually suspended
for the first six months

03:20:26.850 --> 03:20:28.000
of next year.

03:20:28.000 --> 03:20:30.440
That's where it gets tricky
for me with mitigating factors

03:20:30.440 --> 03:20:32.003
versus a good cause factor.

03:20:33.950 --> 03:20:34.783
<v ->I'm sorry.</v>

03:20:34.783 --> 03:20:35.680
Dr. Kelly.

03:20:35.680 --> 03:20:36.513
<v ->Dr. Garcia.</v>

03:20:37.390 --> 03:20:38.260
<v ->I'm not a doctor.</v>

03:20:38.260 --> 03:20:40.300
You promoted me again.

03:20:40.300 --> 03:20:41.681
I appreciate it.

03:20:41.681 --> 03:20:42.627
I'll take it.

03:20:42.627 --> 03:20:43.460
<v ->I don't think there's
anything (indistinct).</v>

03:20:43.460 --> 03:20:44.660
<v ->Can honorary get an honorary?</v>

03:20:44.660 --> 03:20:45.910
Can I be honored?

03:20:45.910 --> 03:20:48.590
whack the gavel and make the (laughs).

03:20:48.590 --> 03:20:50.270
I've been sitting here
thinking about that,

03:20:50.270 --> 03:20:55.270
since Madam Vice Chair,
Streepey mentioned that.

03:20:55.460 --> 03:20:57.836
I wrote that down to
say I'm short-sighted.

03:20:57.836 --> 03:20:59.919
(laughs)

03:20:59.919 --> 03:21:00.970
(clears throat)

03:21:00.970 --> 03:21:02.513
Ms. Moriarty, is there ever a time

03:21:02.513 --> 03:21:05.990
that we would put a
link a period of time

03:21:05.990 --> 03:21:07.750
in a good cause piece?

03:21:07.750 --> 03:21:09.600
Could we say something with D

03:21:09.600 --> 03:21:11.080
that gave it a period of time?

03:21:11.080 --> 03:21:16.080
Like if it's within 20 business
days of the start of school,

03:21:19.180 --> 03:21:24.023
the promotion occurs within
20 days of the start of school.

03:21:25.080 --> 03:21:26.350
<v ->Sure, we can always.</v>

03:21:26.350 --> 03:21:27.400
We can...

03:21:27.400 --> 03:21:31.160
<v ->There's some type of
caveat that is good cause</v>

03:21:31.160 --> 03:21:33.693
if it happens,
would that help us?

03:21:34.544 --> 03:21:37.194
'cause I'm feeling a little
heartburn about that too.

03:21:39.850 --> 03:21:42.490
I do think superintendents
work really hard with principals

03:21:42.490 --> 03:21:44.150
when we're trying to
promote them into a place

03:21:44.150 --> 03:21:45.410
of greater impact.

03:21:45.410 --> 03:21:47.130
But I also, I've been the principal

03:21:47.130 --> 03:21:49.360
who's lost a seventh grade math teacher

03:21:49.360 --> 03:21:50.760
three days before school starts,

03:21:50.760 --> 03:21:53.260
so they can go be an
AP in another district

03:21:53.260 --> 03:21:55.740
and I've experienced that tragic loss.

03:21:55.740 --> 03:21:57.410
So I'm wondering if
there's a timeframe there

03:21:57.410 --> 03:21:59.150
that could be taken into consideration

03:21:59.150 --> 03:22:00.630
for the good cause piece?

03:22:00.630 --> 03:22:03.110
'Cause I think I'm
looking at the efficiencies

03:22:03.110 --> 03:22:04.490
that it offers as well.

03:22:04.490 --> 03:22:07.040
And wondering if we can
thread that needle somehow.

03:22:08.370 --> 03:22:10.500
<v ->Certainly, if that's
the will of the board,</v>

03:22:10.500 --> 03:22:11.810
we can add in time terms.

03:22:11.810 --> 03:22:13.380
So we should think about all the times

03:22:13.380 --> 03:22:15.530
when somebody abandoned, you know,

03:22:15.530 --> 03:22:17.120
mid-term is a big time for abandoning.

03:22:17.120 --> 03:22:19.030
People don't come
back from Christmas a lot.

03:22:19.030 --> 03:22:21.630
And I don't know if that's
any easier on a school.

03:22:21.630 --> 03:22:24.161
That's I guess a question
for the superintendents.

03:22:24.161 --> 03:22:25.970
(indistinct)

03:22:25.970 --> 03:22:28.290
<v ->I was thinking just
specifically on the promotions</v>

03:22:28.290 --> 03:22:29.887
for D.

03:22:29.887 --> 03:22:31.310
<v ->And so you could get promoted,</v>

03:22:31.310 --> 03:22:32.143
I guess I'm trying to say,

03:22:32.143 --> 03:22:34.180
if you got promoted at midterm,

03:22:34.180 --> 03:22:36.580
you're gonna get a
new job as of January.

03:22:36.580 --> 03:22:39.253
Is that any more or less harmful?

03:22:42.760 --> 03:22:45.260
<v ->I'd be interested in
public comment on that too.</v>

03:22:52.050 --> 03:22:53.480
<v ->I appreciate your saying that.</v>

03:22:53.480 --> 03:22:56.543
Thank you, Ms. Garcia.

03:22:57.880 --> 03:23:00.740
I was also worried and
hadn't said this before

03:23:00.740 --> 03:23:04.660
about somebody getting
a promotion 20 days in,

03:23:04.660 --> 03:23:06.010
or at the turn.

03:23:06.010 --> 03:23:10.460
And so I think a timeframe
20 days before 21,

03:23:10.460 --> 03:23:13.180
so that you know your staff is set,

03:23:13.180 --> 03:23:15.750
the responsibilities are in
place and they move forward.

03:23:15.750 --> 03:23:18.450
And yet it still gives someone

03:23:18.450 --> 03:23:22.840
who has been seeking an
additional leadership position

03:23:22.840 --> 03:23:24.390
has the opportunity to do that.

03:23:25.860 --> 03:23:26.693
<v ->Mr. Chair.</v>

03:23:28.360 --> 03:23:29.640
Ms. Dvorak.

03:23:29.640 --> 03:23:30.473
<v ->Thanks.</v>

03:23:30.473 --> 03:23:35.300
If we did 20 days when
that only be 10 days

03:23:35.300 --> 03:23:38.760
of more flexibility than they
already have with 30 days.

03:23:38.760 --> 03:23:40.630
<v ->Oh, I just made up that number.</v>

03:23:40.630 --> 03:23:43.047
(indistinct)

03:23:47.070 --> 03:23:48.990
<v ->I'm just thinking
if we did 20 days</v>

03:23:48.990 --> 03:23:50.590
and you're only looking
at a 10 day window

03:23:50.590 --> 03:23:55.590
but an entire like good
cause clause would apply.

03:23:55.770 --> 03:23:58.670
So I'm trying to think through
how we would navigate that.

03:24:00.716 --> 03:24:02.200
<v ->Mr. Chair.</v>

03:24:02.200 --> 03:24:03.460
<v ->Superintendent Kim.</v>

03:24:03.460 --> 03:24:05.080
I think that the time frame,

03:24:05.080 --> 03:24:08.470
I think certainly I think that can be,

03:24:08.470 --> 03:24:09.690
I think a thought through,

03:24:09.690 --> 03:24:13.690
but I think right now I will tell you

03:24:13.690 --> 03:24:16.810
that it's getting harder and
harder to find every position

03:24:16.810 --> 03:24:17.643
that's out there.

03:24:17.643 --> 03:24:19.270
Used to be finding a
high school principal

03:24:19.270 --> 03:24:20.850
was like a tough kid,

03:24:20.850 --> 03:24:23.540
but now middle school,
elementary principals,

03:24:23.540 --> 03:24:25.450
I mean the job's getting more difficult

03:24:25.450 --> 03:24:29.470
where candidates are not
necessarily really available

03:24:29.470 --> 03:24:31.900
in many ways in some sense.

03:24:31.900 --> 03:24:34.470
So I think putting some more additional

03:24:34.470 --> 03:24:35.990
sort of timeline restrictions

03:24:35.990 --> 03:24:38.390
when there's a lot more fluidly now

03:24:38.390 --> 03:24:40.050
in terms of the hiring process,

03:24:40.050 --> 03:24:42.403
it's almost like on a
year round process.

03:24:43.998 --> 03:24:46.230
There's not a used to be
seasonal to some degree

03:24:46.230 --> 03:24:49.340
of most school districts
will offer contracts

03:24:49.340 --> 03:24:50.370
and different things,

03:24:50.370 --> 03:24:52.640
adopt their budgets in April, May,

03:24:52.640 --> 03:24:54.100
and then you'll go through that process.

03:24:54.100 --> 03:24:57.320
Now it's a different world in many ways

03:24:57.320 --> 03:24:59.890
and it's changed quite
dramatically in my opinion.

03:24:59.890 --> 03:25:02.300
So I'm not really sure if a timeframe,

03:25:02.300 --> 03:25:05.430
I think that might pose a
little bit more complexity

03:25:05.430 --> 03:25:06.340
to the situation.

03:25:06.340 --> 03:25:08.340
I do think that generally speaking,

03:25:08.340 --> 03:25:11.690
if even though the seventh
grade teacher was a big loss,

03:25:11.690 --> 03:25:13.070
as long as in my opinion,

03:25:13.070 --> 03:25:15.070
they stayed within the education system.

03:25:16.225 --> 03:25:18.180
I'm gonna be okay with that.

03:25:18.180 --> 03:25:22.000
I think I'd rather have them
in our system of education

03:25:22.000 --> 03:25:25.250
rather than losing them to an Amazon

03:25:25.250 --> 03:25:26.550
or whatever company out there

03:25:26.550 --> 03:25:28.660
that's recruiting pretty
heavily of our teachers

03:25:28.660 --> 03:25:30.290
to be quite honest.

03:25:30.290 --> 03:25:33.680
So I think we shouldn't
put barriers to that.

03:25:33.680 --> 03:25:37.210
And so promotions I
think are a good thing

03:25:37.210 --> 03:25:38.420
within the system.

03:25:38.420 --> 03:25:41.073
Certainly, we need more within that.

03:25:42.733 --> 03:25:45.110
So but I would just be careful
about putting some timelines,

03:25:45.110 --> 03:25:46.192
I think.

03:25:46.192 --> 03:25:47.891
'Cause we already had a
lot of timelines to deal with.

03:25:47.891 --> 03:25:49.970
(laughs)

03:25:49.970 --> 03:25:51.810
<v ->Well, on a positive note</v>

03:25:51.810 --> 03:25:54.700
and I don't know if the board
would come together on this,

03:25:54.700 --> 03:25:57.890
but there's two of these E and F

03:25:57.890 --> 03:25:59.840
that I have no problem with whatsoever.

03:26:00.690 --> 03:26:02.700
Reduction in base pay.

03:26:02.700 --> 03:26:04.780
If you're suddenly told
you're gonna make less money

03:26:04.780 --> 03:26:06.010
than what you signed up for,

03:26:06.010 --> 03:26:08.650
then yes, of course you
should be able to leave.

03:26:08.650 --> 03:26:10.813
And then F, if you've gotten,

03:26:11.770 --> 03:26:15.080
I know Mr. Coleman
recalls this case where,

03:26:15.080 --> 03:26:16.930
somebody got a written thing,

03:26:16.930 --> 03:26:20.790
a form letter saying, your
resignation is accepted

03:26:20.790 --> 03:26:22.840
and it was still a contract abandonment.

03:26:22.840 --> 03:26:27.160
Those two to me, obviously,
they're black and white

03:26:27.160 --> 03:26:28.620
and they're very specific,

03:26:28.620 --> 03:26:32.053
and I'm fine with
those for a good cause.

03:26:33.030 --> 03:26:35.310
I just continue to have heartburn

03:26:35.310 --> 03:26:36.820
and even the discussion pointed out

03:26:36.820 --> 03:26:39.130
about how do you define these things

03:26:39.130 --> 03:26:44.130
and what limits do you put
on them for items D and G?

03:26:47.783 --> 03:26:51.240
(clears throat)

03:26:51.240 --> 03:26:52.713
Yes, Commissioner.

03:26:53.840 --> 03:26:55.513
<v ->Thank you, Dr. Kelly.</v>

03:26:56.500 --> 03:26:59.770
I think my big question here
as well on like what to add

03:26:59.770 --> 03:27:03.933
to good cause versus what
to put in mitigating factors?

03:27:04.890 --> 03:27:08.890
In good cause I am really
wary of thinking about,

03:27:08.890 --> 03:27:12.680
how are we solving for
something in good cause factors

03:27:12.680 --> 03:27:17.200
that may be trying to
prevent bad actors in districts,

03:27:17.200 --> 03:27:20.210
but may actually be
constraining flexibility

03:27:20.210 --> 03:27:22.320
for our good acting districts.

03:27:22.320 --> 03:27:26.293
So I appreciate you
noting Dr. Kelly the two

03:27:26.293 --> 03:27:28.030
that were kind of giving you heartburn

03:27:28.030 --> 03:27:30.060
as terms of a good acting district

03:27:30.060 --> 03:27:32.480
that may actually be
constraining your decision-making

03:27:32.480 --> 03:27:35.100
or your flexibility that
you would want to have

03:27:35.100 --> 03:27:37.070
when deciding, should
you release someone

03:27:37.070 --> 03:27:38.960
from their contract or not.

03:27:38.960 --> 03:27:43.350
I'm curious superintendent
Kim if you agree with those two,

03:27:43.350 --> 03:27:46.260
in terms of ones that might
actually constrain flexibility

03:27:46.260 --> 03:27:47.150
unnecessarily,

03:27:47.150 --> 03:27:50.453
so we don't wanna be
harming the good acting districts.

03:27:53.250 --> 03:27:56.120
<v ->No, I think, I mean, I'm
just trying to, once again,</v>

03:27:56.120 --> 03:27:59.180
since yesterday last
night calculate the calculus

03:27:59.180 --> 03:28:01.350
around that in terms of
what we would change

03:28:01.350 --> 03:28:04.150
as a result of our
protocols or our processes

03:28:04.150 --> 03:28:06.760
if this were to exist or to go forward?

03:28:06.760 --> 03:28:10.450
And I think once
again, it would definitely,

03:28:10.450 --> 03:28:12.530
I think our HR departments,

03:28:12.530 --> 03:28:16.230
and of course in terms
of our thinking will change.

03:28:16.230 --> 03:28:17.063
There's no doubt.

03:28:17.063 --> 03:28:19.300
So and I'm just wondering
about whether or not

03:28:19.300 --> 03:28:23.070
that is an additional task
then causes us to rethink

03:28:23.070 --> 03:28:25.187
about things,
even though it's...

03:28:25.187 --> 03:28:26.910
So right now I'm still
trying to go through

03:28:26.910 --> 03:28:30.730
what those barriers could be potentially

03:28:30.730 --> 03:28:31.563
at this particular point.

03:28:31.563 --> 03:28:34.330
And I don't know if Dr. Kelly
has some additional comments

03:28:34.330 --> 03:28:35.606
to that,

03:28:35.606 --> 03:28:39.310
but I do worry about some of
the unintended consequences.

03:28:39.310 --> 03:28:41.950
Oftentimes we look at any statute,

03:28:41.950 --> 03:28:46.950
let's say changes causes
a slate of changes for us

03:28:47.640 --> 03:28:49.520
and from a processes and protocols.

03:28:49.520 --> 03:28:50.500
So.

03:28:50.500 --> 03:28:53.040
<v ->Well, the only thing
I can think of Andrew</v>

03:28:53.040 --> 03:28:56.180
is that my executive director for HR

03:28:56.180 --> 03:29:00.140
just returned from the
Texas School Personnel

03:29:00.140 --> 03:29:02.740
Association Convention.

03:29:02.740 --> 03:29:04.860
And they are all complimenting
by the way, Marilyn,

03:29:04.860 --> 03:29:07.590
she apparently presented
at that conference.

03:29:07.590 --> 03:29:10.300
But my HR person came
back to me and said,

03:29:10.300 --> 03:29:13.390
Dr. Kelly, the message from all of us,

03:29:13.390 --> 03:29:16.140
all of us personnel
folks throughout the state

03:29:16.140 --> 03:29:17.747
that she was dealing with is,

03:29:17.747 --> 03:29:20.740
"Do not open Pandora's box further."

03:29:20.740 --> 03:29:25.410
We have a hard enough
time with this issue as it is,

03:29:25.410 --> 03:29:26.397
be careful.

03:29:26.397 --> 03:29:27.670
And that was their comment.

03:29:27.670 --> 03:29:31.710
Now, I realized they don't
have the same perspective

03:29:31.710 --> 03:29:32.750
as a teacher,.

03:29:32.750 --> 03:29:33.770
<v ->Right.</v>

03:29:33.770 --> 03:29:36.003
<v ->So you have to weigh that.</v>

03:29:41.587 --> 03:29:42.930
<v ->Okay.</v>

03:29:42.930 --> 03:29:43.763
Dr. Galvan.

03:29:47.070 --> 03:29:52.070
<v ->In G would they not
have gone to their teacher</v>

03:29:52.270 --> 03:29:55.420
organization because
you all have brought up

03:29:55.420 --> 03:30:00.380
good points that I had noted
is we have superintendents

03:30:00.380 --> 03:30:02.640
that do great jobs,

03:30:02.640 --> 03:30:06.060
but there could be like
you were pointing out

03:30:06.060 --> 03:30:08.980
that some of you that you've known cases

03:30:08.980 --> 03:30:11.770
where they don't do anything about it.

03:30:11.770 --> 03:30:14.840
It would seem like the teachers

03:30:14.840 --> 03:30:18.310
should be able to go to
their teacher organization

03:30:19.590 --> 03:30:23.400
and file some type of grievance

03:30:24.440 --> 03:30:28.940
and have the teacher
organization call the attention

03:30:28.940 --> 03:30:30.650
to administrators.

03:30:30.650 --> 03:30:34.310
But I'm not quite sure of
that if that's gonna help,

03:30:34.310 --> 03:30:36.460
because now let me
give you the other side.

03:30:37.720 --> 03:30:42.720
If one of our teacher interns
was under this situation

03:30:43.690 --> 03:30:45.743
and they wouldn't do anything about it,

03:30:46.738 --> 03:30:50.150
I would be very upset if they didn't.

03:30:50.150 --> 03:30:52.293
So again, you're back to,

03:30:54.400 --> 03:30:56.270
this is a very complex issue.

03:30:56.270 --> 03:30:57.410
<v ->Very difficult.</v>

03:30:57.410 --> 03:30:58.500
I see two hands up.

03:30:58.500 --> 03:31:00.400
First, Ms. McDonald.

03:31:00.400 --> 03:31:03.500
<v ->I would just say there's
an underlying assumption</v>

03:31:03.500 --> 03:31:06.058
that teachers are all
member of an association,

03:31:06.058 --> 03:31:08.560
I think is one area I've pushed back on.

03:31:08.560 --> 03:31:13.520
And two that the communication
of what those associations

03:31:13.520 --> 03:31:16.480
can do for teachers is
also sometimes unknown.

03:31:16.480 --> 03:31:21.480
So I think you're adding a
level of association in there

03:31:21.570 --> 03:31:24.410
that's made may or
may not actually exist.

03:31:24.410 --> 03:31:25.742
<v ->Yes.</v>

03:31:25.742 --> 03:31:27.309
And Mr. Dvorak again.

03:31:27.309 --> 03:31:28.767
Yes.

03:31:28.767 --> 03:31:30.150
<v ->And all I was gonna say is,</v>

03:31:30.150 --> 03:31:31.910
ideally, sure that could work,

03:31:31.910 --> 03:31:33.830
but if it's not in our rules,

03:31:33.830 --> 03:31:36.640
then even if the association
was trying to file something,

03:31:36.640 --> 03:31:39.410
they would have no
ground in saying that,

03:31:39.410 --> 03:31:42.440
they got a promotion,
they should be released.

03:31:42.440 --> 03:31:44.280
If we don't say that
they should be released,

03:31:44.280 --> 03:31:45.150
then they can't.

03:31:45.150 --> 03:31:47.500
It's still at the
discretion of their district.

03:31:50.530 --> 03:31:52.420
<v ->All right. (laughs)</v>

03:31:52.420 --> 03:31:54.540
<v ->Dr. Kelly, we have
public commenters.</v>

03:31:54.540 --> 03:31:55.590
<v ->Oh, okay.</v>

03:31:55.590 --> 03:31:57.760
<v ->I think there are
several, I believe.</v>

03:31:57.760 --> 03:31:59.397
So if you'd like to do.

03:31:59.397 --> 03:32:00.610
I don't know if you wanna take a break

03:32:00.610 --> 03:32:03.330
and get your food or eat
during public comment

03:32:03.330 --> 03:32:05.165
or what sounds good?

03:32:05.165 --> 03:32:05.998
(chuckles)

03:32:05.998 --> 03:32:07.590
<v ->I'm beginning to think
I need replenishment</v>

03:32:07.590 --> 03:32:09.090
just to carry on (indistinct).

03:32:11.300 --> 03:32:12.133
What's your pleasure folks?

03:32:12.133 --> 03:32:14.250
Should we break for lunch?

03:32:14.250 --> 03:32:15.083
All right.

03:32:16.260 --> 03:32:17.450
We will break for lunch.

03:32:17.450 --> 03:32:19.420
And what do we think about a half hour?

03:32:19.420 --> 03:32:20.350
Is that normal?

03:32:20.350 --> 03:32:21.183
Laura.

03:32:21.183 --> 03:32:22.016
<v ->Sure.</v>

03:32:22.016 --> 03:32:23.593
<v ->Okay.</v>

03:32:23.593 --> 03:32:26.300
<v ->So we'll try to
reconvene around 12:50.</v>

03:32:26.300 --> 03:32:28.520
It looks like 12:50.

03:32:28.520 --> 03:32:30.393
All right, thank you all very much.

03:32:32.712 --> 03:32:33.545
We're put together.

03:32:33.545 --> 03:32:34.993
And it is 12:17.