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Afternoon. (item:1:Peter Lake Opening Statements)

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My name is Peter Lake, chairman of the Public Utilities

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Commission of Texas and with me today is

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Brad Jones interim CEO of ERCOT here to talk to you

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all about our SARA CDR and summer readiness. We'll

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also address the grid conditions over this past weekend

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As for summer we're ready. Our reforms are working

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Our transition from a crisis based business model to

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a liability based business model is showing results

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Our combination of conservative grid management and

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reforms here at PUC and ERCOT have also shown results.

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Brad will speak to the specific numbers in the SARA

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and CDR, but going into this summer, I want Texans to

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know that we will continue to operate with a margin

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of safety. Meaning that we'll have more reserves than

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before, we're going to continue operating with an abundance

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of caution, meaning that we'll bring more generators

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online sooner rather than later. We have a higher reserve

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margin going into this summer than we did last summer

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and this grid is more reliable than it has ever been

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before.

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The reforms I speak of were tested last weekend. As

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you know, we had record breaking heat, record breaking

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demand for electricity combined with low wind generation

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and an unusually high number of generators tripping

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offline in a short period of time

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meant that we had thight grid conditions. Uh the combination

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of these factors led us to issue a conservation request

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as you know conservation is another tool in our tool

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kit that we used to ensure reliability and it's important

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to note that in the past before we transition to this

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reliability based business model in the past under

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similar circumstances, no conservation notice would

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have been issued. This was ERCOT being proactive about

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the tight grid conditions and informing Texans of their

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ability to help contribute to grid liability by

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conserving electricity. We were tested last weekend

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and our reforms worked.  ERCOTs new control of

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generator outages means that we had more power online

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going into the weekend then we would have otherwise

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and the extra reserves that we have been procuring

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it meant that we had an additional margin of safety

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when generators started tripping offline. Brad. Thank

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you.

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(item:2:Brad Jones Opening Statements) I'll certainly answer any questions you've got relative

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to the SARA and the CDR. I know there's a lot of

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information out there. I think bottom line for each

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of you is that we feel very confident about this summer

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Our reserves have gone up relative to last summer in

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fact Four years ago in 2019 we had roughly about 8-9%

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reserves last year. We had around 12% or two years

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ago we had 12%. Last year we had 15-16 and this year

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we have 23% reserves. So you can see our reserves have

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grown over each of those years. We feel very confident

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about our position this summer. Now as always we have

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to be careful about those times where it is both dark

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and still we have to make sure that we have the dispatchable

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generation to balance our fleet when wind and

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solar are not available to us but we're very happy

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to have that wind and solar development we've had over

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the past few years and it's making our grid stronger

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I also want to address this past week. This past week

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is an example of ERCOT doing what ERCOT needs to do

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to prepare for these types of events. We're having

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an extraordinary May, what may be the all time hottest

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May on record. We're certainly trending that way today.

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And so with the all time hottest may on record at the

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same time that we also have a great number of our generators

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are dispatchable generators that are offline that

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are doing regular maintenance. It became very important

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that ERCOT began to plan for what happened on friday

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as much as a week ahead and we were bringing units

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back out of outages, making sure they'd be prepared

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for us. We were communicating with the market, making

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sure that each of our market participants, all of the

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industry was prepared for this event. When friday came

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up, we were surprised by several generting units that

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failed right close to peak. Absent that, there would

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not have been a conservation appeal conservation request

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There would not have been uh probably much communication

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that had gone out because it would have been a normal

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friday that was very hot. But with those six generators

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tripping off between about 12:30 and 4 o'clock that afternoon

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it became apparent that we needed to take action. Now

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our action on conservation is something that I hope

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that each of you will understand conservation is a

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good thing. Conservation is what we should do every

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day in our in our lives. Conservation is how we treat

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our use of water during the summers and when it's very

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hot, I hope that each of you will turn to conservation

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as a way to both lower your bill as well as to

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help all of us in the market. And that's what we called

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for. In the past, we would call for conservation at

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the last moment or even beyond that when we're already

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into an emergency condition, but now we're moving conservation

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up early because we know that all Texans can help each

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other and help the grid to be even stronger. So we're

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doing that in advance of these situations. What we

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found on friday was a rapidly changing situation for

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the grid and we decided to make a call for conservation

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on that Friday and throughout the weekend, and it worked.

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Texans responded, and I want to tell all of you that

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responded thank you. Thank you on behalf of the state

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Thank you on behalf of ERCOT. Not only those that

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responded to conservation, which essentially brought

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3-400 MW of additional generation back to ERCOT, but

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also all of those generators that worked very quickly

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to bring those units back and return them to service

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They were available to us on saturday and sunday and

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allowed us to keep the grid reliable for all Texans

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Thank you. Thank you brad.

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(item:3:Peter Lake-Blueprint for Reform)  As I said, this grid is more reliable than it has ever

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been before and we're going to continue improving reliability.

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As you know, this commission adopted a blueprint for

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reform last December and we are moving forward with

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phase two of implementing those reforms which will

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prioritize long term reliability and transition the

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economics of the ERCOT market to on demand power sources

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I look forward to continuing to work with my fellow

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commissioners to deliver the results on SB3 that

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the legislature and the governor demand and I look

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forward to delivering the results of that Phase two

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market reform to the legislature and the governor for

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their consideration before the next legislative session.

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(item:4:Power Plants Staying Online) At this point we're happy to take any questions. How

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can you ensure the power will stay on this summer when

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we've already seen power plants tripped offline due

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to heat, especially this weekend maintenance windows

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have shortened as a result of you canceling maintenance

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because of this recent heat. I know the lights are

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gonna stay on because of all the reforms we've put in

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place and because that when we do encounter challenges

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like we saw last weekend, the multiple reforms are

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complementary and build off of each other to create

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even greater reliability and that's how we know we

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can keep the lights on this summer. (item:4:Congestion In Houston) We've been trying

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to get an interview with you or your office Or another

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commissioner for the last six weeks. We need more transmission

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lines and you guys are doing a lot to expedite that

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process. So how many lines do we need in addition to

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what's underway now? How long do you expect to relieve

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the congestion in places like Houston? And then what

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are you actually doing to uh, make sure that the landowners

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are actually listened to beyond just you know, them

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coming to the PUC meetings. This commission took swift action

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last summer in advancing a large transmission line

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out of the Rio grande Valley to connect that generation

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to the rest of the state and also ensure that those

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residents have access to other parts of the states

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generation access. So that was uh, that was swift action

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by this commission utilizing part of statute has never

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been used before, unprecedented action to ensure reliability

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by building these new transmission projects. In addition

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we're in the process of implementing new legislation

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that accounts for more variables. In addition to economics

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cost and reliability to enhance our transmission planning

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and processing. That's in process now. But like all

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transmission projects, they're large and they take

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a long time landowners, landowners are an important

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part of transmission planning and there a key part

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of this

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Routing transmission lines is always a tough balance

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between those landowners rights and concerns and the

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need for the state for reliability. Uh, and this, this

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commission is very diligent and thorough in balancing

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all of those considerations in every, every transmission

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case we consider. (item:4:Sources Of New Generation) When we talk about setting new demand

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peaks almost every summer for the next 10 years. It

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makes sense because you know, Texas is growing. We're

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going to continue to set new records. Um, the governor's

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office has stated that Texas has 15% more power generation

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capacity this year compared to last year. Would you

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mind just kind of walking us through? Uh, what exact

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generation forms that's come from? Is that coming from

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renewables? Is it coming from thermal? Just kind of

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outlining the specific generation that that texas has

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been able to add this past year alone. In just round

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numbers alone, we have roughly by the end of this year

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we'll have roughly about Another 9000 MW of solar.

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Uh, In addition, we'll have, I said that wrong, we'll

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have 7000 megawatts of solar. In addition we'll have

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another 2 to 3000 megawatts of wind generation and

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about 1000 megawatts of natural gas generation. So

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you can see it's coming from a broad spectrum, but

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much of that additional generation is from the renewable

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side. (item:4:Communication for Conservation Requests) And I do have a quick question about the communication

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from this past weekend. On Friday, I know you were explaining

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that this was kind of a precautionary ask for conservation

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but the language was pretty similar to previous conservation

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alerts. Um, I was just wondering if first of all there's

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any concern that prematurely asking for conservation

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going forward could maybe urge Texans not to conserve

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and maybe, you know, we didn't get another update from

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ERCOT itself on the twitter accounts or on the website

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at all through the weekend. The only thing that was

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posted on friday. So do you think that communication

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could be maybe a little more clear going forward? Especially

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again, we're already sending records here in May. Do

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you think that communication could be a little more

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clear? Communication can always be better, I agree.

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So we're looking back at that communication that we

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put out and making sure that we refined that language

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I even stumbled over a second ago. This wasn't a conservation

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alert. It wasn't a conservation appeal. It was just

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a request to Texans to help us out over this weekend

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So it wasn't that we're in a dangerous situation at

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all. It was, it was to make sure that we're doing everything

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possible to keep the grid reliable so we need to improve

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that language and will commit to that. In

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addition, I think it would be good for us to have a

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communication at the end of one of these cycles to

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make sure that we respond let everyone know where we

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are and kind of give us some feedback to what the response

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was like and as I mentioned earlier, we saw roughly

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three or 400 megawatts of response out of Texans and

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that that is a great number for us to see. So that's

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why I was expressing my thanks earlier, thanks for the

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question. I was gonna say too, because ERCOT very clearly outlines on its

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website, normal conditions versus conservation alert vs  emergency

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levels, do you think in the future in a press release

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maybe it could be included? Like what level we're currently

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at? Just again, make it more clear how dire the current

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situation is. Good. That that's a very good suggestion

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I appreciate that. And the important part is that we

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is at this time we didn't wait until the emergency

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to request for conservation. 2, 3 years ago, that would

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not have been the case. This is part of ERCOT being

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and the PUC being more proactive, more communicative

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with Texans to make sure that everybody knows the situation

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on the grid and what they can do to help ensure reliability

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((item:4:Reporter 2 Question 2)  Do yoou know why those six generators went offline on friday

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and how that can be prevented as we expect more high

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temperatures? Yes, we do. Now, the information related

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to those generation outages will be available to each

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of you tomorrow. Not tomorrow on thursday. On our website

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So the front page of our website has a location for

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generation outages. So you can find out all the information

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that we currently have on, why the units went out what

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times they went out. Bottom line, we really don't

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have any concerns specifically with the various reasons

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It was a coincidence of a number of units coming off

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at the same time, but the coincidence of that happened

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at or near peak. So the first unit came off around

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12:30 the last one came off around four o'clock. And

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it was a combination of those six units as well as

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a few smaller ones that we haven't mentioned so far

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coming off near the same time that put us in this posture

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of sending out this request to consumers. Just wanted

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to make sure that we were informing consumers as each

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of you have asked us to do of what the condition is

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on the grid and what may be happening that we're watching

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that's what we're trying to do is make sure that you

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had the best information available. (item:4:When Did You Know About The Generators Tripping Offline) Can you kind of

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walk us through in some detail what happened on friday

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Like, what did you know? And when did you know it?

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Um I know you met with the governor earlier in the

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day. Was that just coincidental? What was, what did

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you know? When did you know it? On friday? That was

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highly coincidental. That was his standard summer briefing

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uh, on the same information we're presenting to you

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all today and the turn of events with the tripping

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generators was something that developed like brad said

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over a period of hours, 12:30 was the first one. Of

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course one generator is not a problem. The second one

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it was a bit later, brad can go through the timetable

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on that, but it was, it was completely unrelated and

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as we saw a cascading sequence of events over a period

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of hours, certainly not a discrete event, a moment

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in time. And the key to what, what the chairman is

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talking about is that we, we suffered that type of

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a problem. And yet the, the condition of the grid did

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not go into any of our alert status is one of you

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mentioned, you know, a different alert criterias. It

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did not go into an advisory, did not go into a watch

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Did not go into an emergency alert because we had prepared

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So you asked for a sequence of events. We started about

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a week ahead of time, calling on generators to see

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if we could get their generation outages moved

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to a different time, making that additional generation

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available to everyone. By the time we arrived that

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morning we've been meeting and talking with with the

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chairman and other commissioners about the condition

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of the grid entirely throughout the week. Making sure

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they understood what we were going to see that afternoon

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we all felt very comfortable with what we were going

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to see that afternoon. Then when these generation outages

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occurred because of that level of comfort because of

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that preparation, because we are bringing on more generation

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reserves than we ever have in the past. That level

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of units coming offline did not create a condition

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which put us into any of those criterias for emergency

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It's because we're taking these advanced actions megawatts

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at one point. So our PRC excuse for those of you that

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I need to explain this but our physical responsive

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capability which is the amount of generation that we

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can get in a short amount of time. It doesn't mean

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all of the generation that's available but what can

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we get in a short amount of time. It did fall for

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just a few minutes below 3,000 to 2,985 I believe was

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the number but it was back within 30 minutes. And so

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it did not create a concern for us and it was back

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within 30 minutes because of the additional reserves

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We procured that margin of safety. That's where we're

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able to deploy that And those are the redundant layers

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that we're talking about and how these reforms complement

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and build on each other. (item:4:Any Indication Of Working Plants Too Hard) friday. Calling the concern

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um, just the overall approach to the grid. This idea

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of operating conservatively, is there some truth to

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the notion of, you know, you can have too much in reserves

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and you're pushing the plants that are online too hard

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Is there any indication that's what happened? The outcome

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of the events on Friday is a testament and endorsement

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of the reforms that have been enacted as a result of

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SB3 and a stark demonstration of how effective

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they have they are when faced with the combination

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of not not one negative impact on the grid, but three

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hot record high demand, low wind and a unique number

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of outages in quick succession. All three of those

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events occurring at one time. It is extremely rare

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and yet the lights stayed on our grid was really reliable

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and we didn't even get into an emergency status. What if that happened in July or August

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when temperatures were in the triple digits. We're prepared for

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that too. And that's why we do these, established these

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margins of safety every day, most days we don't need

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it. But the thing that's important is the days when

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we do need it. We've got those reserves. We bring those

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generators on sooner rather than later. Before we go

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there. I do want to finish up this question. So one

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of, one of the parts of the answer to your question

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is that during May, recall, we have a lot of generation

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that's on outage, a vast number of generations that

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is on outage for changing the oil, getting the units

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ready for the summer. We don't have that in the summer

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And so that is an additional amount of generation that

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will be available to us in a matter of weeks. And that

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makes all the difference in the grid. Thanks. (item:4:Using the SARA Report to Forecast) To that

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reserve capacity, The  SARA report this time has the percentage

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a lot lower than say the spring or last winter. And

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I know that you've changed the formula in order to

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speak. So if you were able to use that for the spring

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for what we've just experienced, how would that impact

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it? So we can compare our buffer for summer versus

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our buffer anticipated buffer for your comparison.

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I would ask that you go back to the SARA for last

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summer. So you need to compare season this season and

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you'll see that last summer has basically the same

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level of of various scenarios. And in those various

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scenarios you can compare off the improvements that

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you'll see in the grid this year. Has it changed the

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formula now? So considered other things or the generating

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units? Yeah, I I don't know that. I don't believe that

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there's enough changes that would affect that comparison

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So I think you can go back to that comparison and compare

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each of those scenarios 1-1 and you'll see a significant

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amount of additional generation we have available this

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year. I think what you're referencing is the effort

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by the commission and ERCOT to come up with a new

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version, updated version of Cr Cr which I've asked

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Commissioner McAdams to spearhead and he in fact

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had a meeting this morning on that with key stakeholders

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That's a work in progress. Uh We we will always strive

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to continuously improve the products we put out for

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the public for the purposes of this summer, like brad

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said, it's apples to apples comparison is this SARA

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for 2022 Looking vs last summers and last summer the

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planning reserve margin for the the Summer SARA was

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15.7% reserve margin going to this summer we have a

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planning reserve margin of 22.8%. So a solid increase

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as you can see. (item:4:Abnormal Circumstances That Stress the Grid)

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what are some of those circumstances that might not

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be considered normal that could cause problems with

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the great you know, I had a second question, you had

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mentioned that that conservation asked for something

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that you guys are being proactive. A lot of the people

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in the community system that I spoke with. I took it

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as I here comes ERCOT again. So how do you change the

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public perception to realize that in your mind that

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proactive as opposed to ineffective. Sure. So unusual

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circumstances. I'd define the six generators tripping

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off in a matter of a couple of hours. That's the kind

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of unusual circumstances that we prepare for. And that's

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why we build in these redundancies. Uh, like brad said

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when circumstances dictated, we issued the conservation

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request and unlike in the past we issued it for the

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entire weekend because we didn't want to do the whiplash

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of concern for a few hours. Don't know how you can

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stop back and forth. And we were very, we tried to

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be very clear and upfront with people about the hours

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when it was important and how they could contribute

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to help. After a tragedy like Uri Yes, absolutely.

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We we must regain the trust of our customers and we

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will and this increased transparency. These proactive

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efforts are a part of that. Uh And as always conservation

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is a a tool that we have used and will continue to

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use and like brad said well continually improve the

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way we communicate with our customers and will continuously

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strive to enhance reliability as we move forward. (item:4:Allocating Liability Costs to Renewables) Chairman

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you mentioned Phase two market reforms. Is there anything

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in there that fulfills the governor's directive to

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allocate the liability costs to renewables. That was that

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will be under consideration as we developed Phase two

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But that was also addressed in our adoption of Phase

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one. In considering the E. C. R. S. New Ancillary service

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product. I apologize for the acronyms but essentially

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the the fast ramp product that is designed to offset

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the sunsetting and dropping solar that cost will be

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the commission decided will be assigned to the resources

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causing it in this case the the intermittent resources

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before you guys

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the blueprint that was adopted in december includes

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two components the Load side reliability mechanism

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and the backstop reserve service. We're in the process

00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:24.559
of building those market product. Those market designs

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out both of those will put new steel on the ground

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will incentivize new dispatchable generation and

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dispatchable resources in ERCOT which the governor

00:23:35.190 --> 00:23:37.859
and the legislature have been very clear is is a big

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priority. We are focused on that priority and delivering

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those results for the governor and Legislature by next

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session. (item:4:Who's Involved In Making the Conservation Requests) Who was involved in the deliberations over

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whether to issue the conservation call because that's

00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:57.700
that obviously is a thing that is not politically palatable

00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:00.849
right now. So who was involved in those discussions

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That's an operational call that comes from the ERCOT

00:24:04.170 --> 00:24:07.480
control room to Brad, Brad and I discuss and make a

00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.440
decision and brad and his team did an excellent job

00:24:10.450 --> 00:24:13.759
issuing that conservation call in a very, very short

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amount of time. (item:4:Addressing The Grids Aging Thermal Fleet) Can you address the grids, aging thermal

00:24:17.369 --> 00:24:20.269
fleet? Can it really depend on these older plants not

00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:20.559
to go down?

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We are taking in all of the above approach to our grid

00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:29.680
We want to leverage the benefits of all types of our

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resources, thermal renewable uh and new storage, distributed

00:24:34.690 --> 00:24:38.119
storage and new technologies yet to be deployed. We're

00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:41.150
aware that we've got a aging thermal fleet and that's

00:24:41.150 --> 00:24:45.279
very much the motivation of our Phase two market reform

00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:49.240
efforts and that's why we're moving the economics moving

00:24:49.250 --> 00:24:53.089
the revenues in this market towards On demand power

00:24:53.099 --> 00:24:56.759
When Texans turn the light switch on, they need electricity

00:24:56.769 --> 00:24:59.880
And that's why the phase two reforms are

00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:04.329
so focused on on demand power. What's what's just your

00:25:04.339 --> 00:25:06.839
message to Texans? I mean getting this notice this

00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:07.269
weekend,

00:25:13.740 --> 00:25:17.599
The reforms are working the lights are going to stay

00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:20.329
on this summer and thank you for playing your part

00:25:20.339 --> 00:25:23.130
in ensuring grid reliability were all part of this

00:25:23.130 --> 00:25:28.349
together and reforms are working. (item:4:Will The Grid Work This Summer) People have talked

00:25:28.349 --> 00:25:30.240
about the six plants already going down that kind of

00:25:30.250 --> 00:25:31.710
ties in to the aging infrastructure,

00:25:33.339 --> 00:25:37.569
this come out and say it's going to work, Is that something

00:25:37.569 --> 00:25:40.779
anybody can be sure of? Absolutely. We've got over 700

00:25:40.779 --> 00:25:44.849
generators in ERCOT six of them had a bad day and we've

00:25:44.859 --> 00:25:47.309
implemented all the reforms you heard me talk about

00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:49.650
we've got a bigger reserve margin going into this summer

00:25:49.650 --> 00:25:52.759
than we had last summer. We got through last summer

00:25:53.339 --> 00:25:55.779
we got through last winter and we're gonna get through

00:25:55.779 --> 00:25:58.819
this summer, we're better prepared than we ever have

00:25:58.819 --> 00:26:02.069
been before. This, this grid operator and this team

00:26:02.069 --> 00:26:05.369
is doing a great job managing for reliability first

00:26:05.380 --> 00:26:09.970
rather than crisis based business model. And so that's

00:26:09.980 --> 00:26:14.910
that's how we can say with absolute confidence to Texans

00:26:14.910 --> 00:26:17.500
that the lights will stay on this summer when you talk

00:26:17.500 --> 00:26:20.200
about some questions from reporters.

00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:29.450
Thanks. Any questions josh and company

00:26:31.369 --> 00:26:34.549
very constructively right now. Anybody under the goal

00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:37.980
No question, Press 10 in telephone keypad.

00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:46.470
We have one person that's queued up one moment will

00:26:46.470 --> 00:26:48.900
gather their names, but once again, you have a question

00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:51.059
zero on your telephone keypad?

00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:56.359
Yeah.

00:27:06.339 --> 00:27:11.470
Right, josh. Let us know if that questions uh, queued

00:27:11.470 --> 00:27:13.960
up in the meantime we can continue to do some questions

00:27:14.339 --> 00:27:18.339
It looks like are we didn't have we have a question

00:27:18.349 --> 00:27:24.529
I know, I know. Jose tell people go ahead. (item:4:Energy Emergency Alert) Yeah, thanks

00:27:24.529 --> 00:27:28.630
for taking the question. Uh, 1 Question I had was

00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:30.900
you keep saying that you didn't have to declare an

00:27:30.900 --> 00:27:35.049
energy emergency alert. But have you done that? It's

00:27:35.150 --> 00:27:38.319
my understanding that would signal to utilities issue

00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:42.240
push notifications and and do their own conservation

00:27:42.500 --> 00:27:45.440
that they didn't have to do in the absence of such

00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.589
an alert. So I mean shouldn't you have actually done

00:27:48.589 --> 00:27:51.759
an alert in order to conserve when that have led to

00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:54.660
more conservation? I don't understand. You might not

00:27:54.660 --> 00:27:56.799
have reached the threshold of the conservation with

00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:59.980
the goals would not have made more sense. Yeah. We

00:27:59.980 --> 00:28:02.150
didn't feel like we needed to go to that level most

00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:05.940
Uh, what we did do is is several of the utility partners

00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:08.789
called us and asked us and we, we didn't ask any of

00:28:08.789 --> 00:28:11.819
them to take that next step, but we did indicate to

00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:15.170
them that it was on their own, their own decision making

00:28:15.170 --> 00:28:17.180
if they decided to take that next step. Many of them

00:28:17.180 --> 00:28:21.900
did. But we didn't issue the the full conservation

00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:24.559
alert because we didn't feel like it went to that level

00:28:24.569 --> 00:28:25.549
of necessity.

00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:29.670
I also think that also maybe for a lot of us in

00:28:29.670 --> 00:28:32.339
the media, this has been kind of a confusing thing

00:28:32.339 --> 00:28:36.480
given the amount of, of media coverage that was around

00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:38.759
the winter cold fronts that we had where there was

00:28:38.769 --> 00:28:42.180
some concern about grid stability. We got, you know

00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:44.819
we got tighter on the grid last friday than during

00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:47.380
any of those events. But as I've been mentioned in

00:28:47.380 --> 00:28:50.059
the past, there was very little communication. What

00:28:50.069 --> 00:28:52.730
what went into that? Like why did I buy that big difference

00:28:52.730 --> 00:28:54.700
Why that why all the press conferences and all the

00:28:54.700 --> 00:28:59.980
attention during the winter and then, and then uh the

00:28:59.980 --> 00:29:03.240
winter events were broader than just power grid related

00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:06.059
That's the activation of the state operations center

00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:12.220
and the corresponding media interaction was through

00:29:12.220 --> 00:29:16.150
the state operations center. Uh so I'd have to defer

00:29:16.150 --> 00:29:20.170
to them on on how they manage that. As always we are

00:29:20.170 --> 00:29:23.309
available where you continue to do these seasonal press

00:29:23.309 --> 00:29:26.809
conferences. Uh and as you saw last week were being

00:29:26.809 --> 00:29:30.660
more proactive about communicating with Texans when

00:29:30.660 --> 00:29:33.509
grid conditions are tight and when they can play a

00:29:33.509 --> 00:29:37.900
role in conserving power. And one last thing is, you

00:29:37.900 --> 00:29:40.150
know, I just, and I think you were asked earlier, but

00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:43.349
it's just that he's operating with large capacity margins

00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:45.420
for months and months. These power plants are being

00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:48.829
asked to stay available uh to levels not seen before

00:29:48.829 --> 00:29:51.880
The last big blackout. Is that leading to a risk of

00:29:51.890 --> 00:29:54.410
greater surprise breakdowns. Like we saw on friday

00:29:54.420 --> 00:29:57.470
when these machines need to be, I did not watch the

00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:00.539
time being 19 and we've heard reports that are being

00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:03.690
asked to stand in line when they maybe shouldn't no

00:30:03.690 --> 00:30:08.019
no concerns at all. Plant power plants staying online

00:30:08.019 --> 00:30:12.039
as part of our additional reserves. And like I said

00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.240
we do that every day because we never know when we'll

00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.500
need that additional margin of safety. We needed it

00:30:17.500 --> 00:30:22.369
on friday. And it was incredibly important to have

00:30:22.369 --> 00:30:26.180
at that moment in time. So we'll continue, we'll continue

00:30:26.190 --> 00:30:31.220
to maintain that margin of safety. But we're also continuously

00:30:31.220 --> 00:30:35.339
working with our generators to ensure that they can

00:30:35.339 --> 00:30:39.049
take adequate maintenance outages. And most importantly

00:30:39.049 --> 00:30:43.329
that the ones that work with ERCOT like brad mentioned

00:30:43.339 --> 00:30:47.009
the generators who delayed outages to be ready for

00:30:47.009 --> 00:30:51.339
last friday. We're ensuring that archive prioritizes

00:30:51.339 --> 00:30:54.579
those generators to make sure that the ones that run

00:30:54.579 --> 00:30:58.289
when we need them the most are in front of line for

00:30:58.289 --> 00:31:00.630
maintenance outages. So all of our generator fleets

00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:02.849
are ready for this coming summer.

00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:08.910
Any other questions on the phone?

00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.170
Yes. Our next question is from the lineup Shelby Webb

00:31:15.740 --> 00:31:16.059
Mm hmm.

00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:21.470
(item:4:Reporter 13 Question 1) Hi, I'm speaking about the actual hardware generations

00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:23.720
that has been

00:31:27.539 --> 00:31:31.789
compared to previous years and what we expected people

00:31:31.789 --> 00:31:36.319
the rest of the year. The cost increase of the additional

00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:40.329
reserves we've procured starting last june Through

00:31:40.329 --> 00:31:45.960
may totals to just about $1 per household per month

00:31:46.539 --> 00:31:52.170
So Texans for for $1 per month are receiving a vastly

00:31:52.170 --> 00:31:55.670
more reliable grid to ensure that the lights stay on

00:31:57.339 --> 00:32:00.559
Did you give me an a $5 figures about them. Mm hmm

00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:06.200
No, The, I don't have the total dollar figure. Uh,

00:32:06.210 --> 00:32:12.279
in front of me. I think it's roughly $380 million 99.5

00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.259
cents per household per home per month.

00:32:16.539 --> 00:32:18.170
Okay. Feeling not very large.

00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:20.670
Okay.

00:32:24.339 --> 00:32:24.680
For

00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:31.890
the painter ability, reliability, We'll continue purchasing

00:32:31.890 --> 00:32:36.309
the extra reserves. We do not expect those costs to

00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:40.930
increase above that much more or below that $1 per

00:32:40.930 --> 00:32:47.819
household per month. And in fact The that $1 per household

00:32:47.819 --> 00:32:50.880
per month includes the dramatic increase in natural

00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.500
gas prices which of course are unrelated to the power

00:32:54.500 --> 00:32:59.460
grid. So if anything, if gas prices decrease, uh those

00:32:59.460 --> 00:33:00.950
numbers should decrease as well.

00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.829
Sure. And even if a spirit female reports accurately

00:33:06.829 --> 00:33:10.329
accounted for shooting weather scenarios, an increase

00:33:10.339 --> 00:33:15.619
out there sort of unusual. And doctor right now Yeah

00:33:15.619 --> 00:33:19.329
The CDR and SARA evaluate a wide variety of scenarios

00:33:19.339 --> 00:33:25.200
including extra high demand for power. So yes,

00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:27.880
that's exactly what they are. Scenario analysis. They're

00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.680
not predictions. Uh they're they're nothing more than

00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:33.960
arithmetic and they certainly don't uh take into full

00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:37.049
account are the multitude of reforms we've implemented

00:33:37.059 --> 00:33:40.559
there a useful tool. But just that a tool

00:33:45.539 --> 00:33:47.950
I would. Mhm. He shouldn't play holiday.

00:33:51.339 --> 00:33:52.170
Can you repeat that?

00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:56.740
So people, so it's just a risk descending as well that

00:33:56.750 --> 00:34:01.259
people shouldn't be facing a lot of decisions on it

00:34:01.259 --> 00:34:03.299
Is that what you're saying? Like I'm just trying to

00:34:03.299 --> 00:34:03.849
have. Like

00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:10.969
I'm sorry, what's the question to the relevance towards

00:34:10.969 --> 00:34:14.670
what? Well towards the parents er reports that they're

00:34:14.670 --> 00:34:16.739
just sort of a richness and they're not taking into

00:34:16.739 --> 00:34:21.659
account a lot of useful forms, are they valid? Yeah

00:34:21.670 --> 00:34:24.840
So what we, this is brad again, what we want to make

00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.280
sure is that we're giving you the information and the

00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.440
information to all Texans that they need, that they

00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.019
want to see. We want to make sure that you're seeing

00:34:33.019 --> 00:34:36.199
what are expected cases. And we've given you that we

00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:39.969
want you to see what an extreme event might look like

00:34:39.980 --> 00:34:42.400
And we've given you that and if you went back to the

00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:46.739
SARA for spring, you'll see an extreme event on heat

00:34:46.739 --> 00:34:49.409
that looks very much very similar to what we just went

00:34:49.409 --> 00:34:52.559
through. So that's how you can use the information

00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.550
just to, to provide you some level of comfort really

00:34:55.550 --> 00:34:59.070
The focus should be on what are expected cases and

00:34:59.070 --> 00:35:01.570
that's where we delivered. And I think it's a very

00:35:01.570 --> 00:35:02.349
good story

00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.590
josh as we move on with the questions, can you ask

00:35:07.590 --> 00:35:09.969
the callers to identify the organization they're representing

00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:17.420
I do that. Thank you. Our next question to line Line

00:35:17.420 --> 00:35:18.130
of Field,

00:35:20.510 --> 00:35:24.130
especially the organization's ability. Your line is

00:35:24.130 --> 00:35:28.639
open? (item:4:Bill Jankowski-Plants Not Having Enough Time for Maintenance)  Yeah. Hi, Bill Jankowski with the Dallas morning

00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:32.639
news here, um, similar question. The one that most

00:35:32.650 --> 00:35:39.440
had the uh, with the hot weather arriving much earlier

00:35:39.449 --> 00:35:43.630
than expected and as was reported the texas tribune

00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.739
this morning. It's some of the power plants tripping

00:35:46.750 --> 00:35:52.960
off on friday being ones that were under maintenance

00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.840
preparing for the summer. So my question is is there

00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:03.690
any worries about the these power plants not having

00:36:03.690 --> 00:36:07.550
enough time, not being able to complete necessary maintenance

00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:13.820
in time for the people demand in the summer. And if

00:36:13.829 --> 00:36:19.250
ERCOT as the puc are doing anything to address that

00:36:20.730 --> 00:36:24.269
Yeah, so, great. And I appreciate the question. We're

00:36:24.269 --> 00:36:26.059
working with the generators to make sure that they

00:36:26.059 --> 00:36:28.650
have the amount of time that they need to make sure

00:36:28.650 --> 00:36:31.099
that the units are ready for this summer. In fact,

00:36:31.099 --> 00:36:34.469
one of those units that was asked to move their outage

00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:38.280
is now entering into its own outage. Uh so that it can

00:36:38.289 --> 00:36:41.829
do the work that they need to do for the summer. The

00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:44.789
the condition of those units? Uh yeah, I'm always concerned

00:36:44.789 --> 00:36:46.880
when we see quite a few units go off at the same

00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:49.190
time, I'm always concerned about the condition of these

00:36:49.190 --> 00:36:51.769
units. We have to make sure that we have the right

00:36:51.769 --> 00:36:54.550
incentives in place in our market to both attract and

00:36:54.550 --> 00:36:58.039
retain new generation of that very type of that dispatchable

00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.769
type. And so I know that the chairman is working

00:37:00.769 --> 00:37:03.230
on that through their Phase two, all of the commissioners

00:37:03.230 --> 00:37:06.269
are working on that effort through Phase Two. And we're

00:37:06.269 --> 00:37:09.760
working to make sure as you asked that generators have

00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:12.860
the outage time, they need to get their equipment in

00:37:12.860 --> 00:37:15.590
good shape for the summer. Thank you. And importantly

00:37:15.590 --> 00:37:20.440
Phil, I'll note that as ERCOT takes control of the

00:37:20.449 --> 00:37:24.070
outage schedule, that their proposed methodology for

00:37:24.070 --> 00:37:28.920
next fall provides 15% more time for outages than were

00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.769
actually taken last fall by these generators. So they

00:37:31.769 --> 00:37:35.159
will in fact be more time for outages, not less. We're

00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.840
just making sure the outages don't all happen at once

00:37:40.030 --> 00:37:43.179
And if I may, I've got another question, I just wanted

00:37:43.179 --> 00:37:49.639
to see if uh because as brad had a reported about a

00:37:49.650 --> 00:37:54.320
month ago or sometimes less money, uh Cryptocurrency

00:37:54.329 --> 00:37:57.030
being, you know, on on such a rise and planning to

00:37:57.030 --> 00:38:01.139
add a tremendous amount of demand um, to the grid over

00:38:01.139 --> 00:38:04.429
the next couple of years, is there, you know, that

00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.840
part of what goes into the SARA report and you guys

00:38:07.849 --> 00:38:12.929
have learn about the continued added demands from a

00:38:12.929 --> 00:38:18.599
very electricity intensive process. Thank you for the

00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:23.090
question. So, we have roughly about 3-400 MW of Cryptocurrency

00:38:23.090 --> 00:38:26.809
in Texas today. Uh we did check their performance throughout

00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:29.690
this event. They performed admirably as we would have

00:38:29.690 --> 00:38:32.530
expected them to. And so from that perspective, we

00:38:32.530 --> 00:38:35.960
don't have a concern. We have started a process to

00:38:35.969 --> 00:38:38.409
really look at how those loads are interconnected to

00:38:38.409 --> 00:38:40.599
our system to make sure that we're getting as much

00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:43.559
value out of them as possible. And that process includes

00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.219
a task force that has brought many of those partners

00:38:46.260 --> 00:38:50.380
together, those Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency type developers

00:38:50.380 --> 00:38:53.570
together, they've been very cooperative with us and

00:38:53.570 --> 00:38:56.550
we look forward to being able to resolve those outstanding

00:38:56.550 --> 00:39:00.869
questions. So he's saying that during that time when

00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:03.199
the request was

00:39:05.489 --> 00:39:09.519
just kind of shut down temporarily, they operated as

00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:11.840
we would have expected under that condition. Yes.

00:39:14.019 --> 00:39:15.449
Alright. Thanks guys.

00:39:17.110 --> 00:39:20.860
Maybe one more question from the phone line Josh. We

00:39:20.860 --> 00:39:22.650
have no further questions before mate.

00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.210
Alright. Any other questions here at the commission

00:39:28.210 --> 00:39:31.190
office? (item:4:Concerns About Market Manipulation) Do y'all have any concerns about market manipulation

00:39:31.190 --> 00:39:33.150
given that all these plants came off at relatively

00:39:33.150 --> 00:39:36.519
at the same time. No concerns at this time but are

00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:40.309
Independent Market Monitor is tasked with investigating

00:39:40.309 --> 00:39:44.260
any potential market manipulation and if they see signs

00:39:44.260 --> 00:39:46.530
of trouble, they'll report it to the commission through

00:39:46.530 --> 00:39:50.960
the appropriate process. (item:4:Can You Explain the Two Extreme Risk Scenarios)  Can you explain the two extreme

00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.340
risk scenarios where there will not be enough power

00:39:55.190 --> 00:40:00.530
from the SARA. So as you look across those extreme

00:40:00.530 --> 00:40:04.510
scenarios and even the first page which has more moderate

00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:09.010
scenarios, you'll see that we change one of the the

00:40:09.019 --> 00:40:13.570
variables to an extreme level. And then as you go across

00:40:13.570 --> 00:40:16.139
that page, we'll add a second extreme variable. And

00:40:16.139 --> 00:40:19.449
by the third item, that third column, there are three

00:40:19.449 --> 00:40:22.340
extreme scenarios occurring at one time. So as you

00:40:22.340 --> 00:40:25.599
can imagine as you go across that chart, there's lower

00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.590
and lower probability of those things occurring. Our

00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:34.079
main three variables are generation outages, low wind

00:40:34.090 --> 00:40:39.920
or renewable output and high heat in the cold, very

00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.820
cold temperatures. So those are the extremes that we

00:40:42.820 --> 00:40:46.019
adjust each time. And so that last category, that last

00:40:46.019 --> 00:40:48.949
column has all three of those in the extreme. And yes

00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:52.000
we do see some concerns in that category but it is

00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:55.619
a very unlikely scenario. And so as you move back away

00:40:55.619 --> 00:40:59.500
from that one or two of these high heat, even high

00:40:59.500 --> 00:41:02.719
generation outages, we seem fairly comfortable as we

00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:06.110
move up that that ladder. But as we said before, these

00:41:06.110 --> 00:41:08.849
are these are just studies to give you a sense to give

00:41:08.849 --> 00:41:13.110
you a level of comfort and and that's the most extreme

00:41:13.110 --> 00:41:16.550
of the extreme. (item:4:Can You Explain the OCN) Can you explained the O. C. N. But still

00:41:16.550 --> 00:41:20.449
in place versus what went out this past weekend versus

00:41:20.460 --> 00:41:23.389
if you are an emergency situation, what do people at

00:41:23.389 --> 00:41:26.239
home experiences? It alerts on their phones, alerts

00:41:26.250 --> 00:41:28.769
on tv what I mean? How do they know? How do we

00:41:28.769 --> 00:41:31.739
differentiate between proactive and actual emergency

00:41:32.309 --> 00:41:36.110
So the way people at home will learn is really through

00:41:36.110 --> 00:41:38.820
each of you. So we're communicating with the media

00:41:38.829 --> 00:41:40.940
to try to make sure that you know that if we move

00:41:40.940 --> 00:41:45.420
from a current normal status into an alert status that

00:41:45.420 --> 00:41:48.110
you should or an advisory, I should say. That's the

00:41:48.110 --> 00:41:50.599
first level that you should get information on that

00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.630
advisory and what that means. The O. C. N. Is really

00:41:53.630 --> 00:41:56.039
just within the industry. It's an operational condition

00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:59.219
notice it's just for us to communicate to transmission

00:41:59.219 --> 00:42:01.610
and generation companies to tell them something they

00:42:01.610 --> 00:42:04.559
probably already know but in this case it was, it's

00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:08.159
getting really hot prepare for the heat importantly

00:42:08.170 --> 00:42:12.250
Uh, your, your point about a true emergency condition

00:42:12.260 --> 00:42:16.219
is in addition to an entirely different set of circumstances

00:42:16.230 --> 00:42:18.769
in which in addition to communicating with you all

00:42:18.769 --> 00:42:23.309
in the media, the PUC and ERCOT would utilize uh,

00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:27.329
Tatum's communication system with local mayors counties

00:42:27.340 --> 00:42:31.869
and also leverage the text dot and DPS messaging system

00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:35.070
across the state. That's a function of new legislation

00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:38.750
from last session to ensure that if we do get in a

00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:41.909
truly dire emergency situation, there are multiple

00:42:41.909 --> 00:42:45.900
points of contact with all Texans uh, from state leadership

00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:49.369
down to local and city leadership. Uh, so if we do

00:42:49.369 --> 00:42:52.590
get in that situation it will be a much, much more

00:42:52.590 --> 00:42:56.710
robust form of communication. Sure. (item:4:Bloomberg News-Is The State Downplaying What We Are Experiencing) There's a couple

00:42:56.710 --> 00:43:00.780
of reporters to do the technical issues on their own

00:43:00.780 --> 00:43:04.599
I guess Green Mallic with Bloomberg News asks, given the

00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:07.519
record he conditions in May and texas and the grout

00:43:07.900 --> 00:43:11.579
the extreme demand scenario more of a possibility than

00:43:11.590 --> 00:43:15.409
the top line SARA view I've heard from power experts

00:43:15.409 --> 00:43:17.960
who say that the report is downplaying the reality

00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:19.619
of what the state is experience.

00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:24.909
I think those those predictions are based on data from

00:43:24.909 --> 00:43:30.110
ERCOT. Certainly I can't forecast the weather during

00:43:30.110 --> 00:43:32.550
the summer. I can't do that several months in advance

00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.690
Uh, there's every indication that we're facing will

00:43:35.690 --> 00:43:38.989
be facing a very hot summer. So that could mean that

00:43:38.989 --> 00:43:42.159
we're up that scale. But we provided each of you through

00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.929
the SARA information of what each of those potential

00:43:45.940 --> 00:43:49.130
Load scenarios might be. There's a high case for high

00:43:49.130 --> 00:43:52.280
forecasted Load there's an extreme case for extreme

00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.530
forecasted Load So you have the information you need

00:43:55.539 --> 00:43:58.679
and do, I think it's going to be a hot summer? I

00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:00.559
do think it's gonna be a hot summer. Sure facing that

00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:03.340
way. Could I be surprised by some rain storms that

00:44:03.340 --> 00:44:06.050
come in this weekend and cool things down? I certainly

00:44:06.050 --> 00:44:10.170
could be and would be gladly surprised by that. Most

00:44:10.170 --> 00:44:12.289
importantly we need to be prepared for every weather

00:44:12.289 --> 00:44:15.840
scenario hot cold and in between and that's what we're

00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:19.849
ready for. (item:4:Mitchell Ferman-Why Did They Call For Conservation At 5PM)  Mitchell ferman with the texas tribune asks

00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:23.550
why did why did they decide to call for conservation

00:44:23.550 --> 00:44:26.760
on Friday at 5PM. Was it because Governor Abbott made the

00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:31.139
decision late afternoon on friday As we've discussed

00:44:31.139 --> 00:44:33.889
the decision was made as a result of the cascading

00:44:33.889 --> 00:44:37.260
sequence events. The most the final generator trip

00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:41.130
was around four pm. Yes sir. So I believe we've answered

00:44:41.130 --> 00:44:43.539
that question mitch and I'm sorry that you didn't get

00:44:43.539 --> 00:44:46.039
that answer earlier but we have answered it, it had

00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:47.820
to do with the sequence of events that occurred on

00:44:47.820 --> 00:44:50.980
friday looking forward not knowing whether those units

00:44:50.980 --> 00:44:53.699
would be able to make it back to the system over the

00:44:53.699 --> 00:44:56.980
weekend. We called for conservation on saturday and

00:44:56.980 --> 00:44:59.809
sunday. But fortunately those units did return.

00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:07.000
Good question. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.