WEBVTT 00:00:00.009 --> 00:00:04.000 Did she have um provided plans when she had no plans 00:00:04.009 --> 00:00:06.509 And I think that one's gonna pop up a lot too. Uh 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:09.460 because if you're transferred to a class, you're likely 00:00:09.470 --> 00:00:12.849 to quit with, if, if you don't have plans. So I, I'm 00:00:12.859 --> 00:00:15.179 not telling us which way to go. I'm, I'm just saying 00:00:15.189 --> 00:00:18.339 there are a lot of pieces of this puzzle to think through 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:26.260 for the discussion or interest on that. Yes. Um Thank 00:00:26.269 --> 00:00:32.469 you chair um I to your question or point um Mr Coleman 00:00:32.478 --> 00:00:34.848 I think that it, it is important to think about both 00:00:34.859 --> 00:00:38.368 like, what are our current rules now and how are we 00:00:38.380 --> 00:00:42.368 applying them consistently? And then where might these 00:00:42.380 --> 00:00:47.728 um issues we wanna discuss to be like when we try to 00:00:47.740 --> 00:00:49.959 apply the rules? Do we come up with something that 00:00:49.969 --> 00:00:52.709 we want to add as a mitigating factor or add as a 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:55.810 good cause factor? But I, I do think we need to separate 00:00:55.819 --> 00:01:00.750 those two discussions of like how does this apply to 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:03.289 our current set of good cause factors and our current 00:01:03.298 --> 00:01:07.230 set of mitigating factors versus where do we see instances 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:09.680 where we may want to continue to discuss what, you 00:01:09.689 --> 00:01:12.329 know, should we be adding mitigating factors into the 00:01:12.338 --> 00:01:14.829 future? And so when I look at this one and kind of 00:01:14.838 --> 00:01:18.159 looking at our current set of rules, it does make me 00:01:18.168 --> 00:01:21.379 think that they have applied those incorrectly in terms 00:01:21.388 --> 00:01:25.918 of accepting as good cause an illness without support 00:01:25.930 --> 00:01:28.370 And I think when we discussed this as a board, we are 00:01:28.379 --> 00:01:32.629 pretty clear that we wanted some sort of credible support 00:01:32.638 --> 00:01:36.519 in order to accept illness as good cause. And we wanna 00:01:36.528 --> 00:01:38.838 you know, be making sure that when we are applying 00:01:38.849 --> 00:01:41.355 mitigating factors, do we actually have support in 00:01:41.364 --> 00:01:44.084 our rules for the mitigating factors that, that we've 00:01:44.094 --> 00:01:48.084 laid out because we had a lot of robust conversation 00:01:48.094 --> 00:01:51.823 about those mitigating factors. And um and I know without 00:01:51.834 --> 00:01:54.454 our um superintendents here, it can be hard because 00:01:54.463 --> 00:01:57.864 that there is a lot of push and pull on the administrator 00:01:57.875 --> 00:02:01.114 side of what should be considered a mitigating factor 00:02:01.125 --> 00:02:04.864 and still have the, you know, flexibility that superintendents 00:02:04.875 --> 00:02:07.620 need. And so, and making sure that we're sending the 00:02:07.629 --> 00:02:11.199 right president to the field in terms of this is what 00:02:11.210 --> 00:02:14.740 we will accept and what, how we're interpreting our 00:02:14.750 --> 00:02:19.719 roles um and not kind of wavering and adding new pieces 00:02:19.729 --> 00:02:23.240 to that as they're making considerations in the field 00:02:23.508 --> 00:02:27.929 Um And I do think in the um in the school districts 00:02:27.939 --> 00:02:32.169 there are ways for, for a teacher to file grievances 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:35.808 um without abandoning their contract and go through 00:02:35.819 --> 00:02:39.020 the actual official process and not abandoning the 00:02:39.028 --> 00:02:42.500 contract isn't their only option. And so that is another 00:02:42.508 --> 00:02:48.550 action that they can take. 00:02:48.550 --> 00:02:53.639 Um Thank you for those comments in thinking about that 00:02:53.649 --> 00:02:56.929 I was actually wondering if and I don't know exactly 00:02:56.939 --> 00:03:01.319 what the process is for requesting um that te a review 00:03:01.330 --> 00:03:04.879 this but perhaps adding language that says there has 00:03:04.889 --> 00:03:08.558 to be documentation of the serious illness or health 00:03:08.569 --> 00:03:11.599 condition because I don't. Is that already in there 00:03:11.649 --> 00:03:13.740 That no, you're correct. It is that in there? And that 00:03:13.750 --> 00:03:16.419 is a great idea and we plan to open chapter 2 49 00:03:16.429 --> 00:03:19.330 up. Um We're gonna do stakeholder input in the spring 00:03:19.338 --> 00:03:21.338 and that is something that we've already noted to make 00:03:21.349 --> 00:03:23.588 it clear and that would come before you all to. So 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:25.629 you can say exactly what you want. But yes, that is 00:03:26.020 --> 00:03:29.909 perfect. Thank you. And I don't know if I mean, I I 00:03:29.929 --> 00:03:33.528 feel like sometimes putting language in there that 00:03:33.538 --> 00:03:37.139 says, you know, they were not provided reasonable resources 00:03:37.149 --> 00:03:41.479 to complete their assignment or position. I think that 00:03:41.490 --> 00:03:44.750 could get a little sticky but there, I don't if there's 00:03:44.758 --> 00:03:47.479 maybe some proposed language we could think about that 00:03:47.490 --> 00:03:54.679 would cover this type of situation. 00:03:54.679 --> 00:03:58.050 Thank you. That is a great point and a great segue 00:03:58.058 --> 00:04:00.429 into work, we do plan on launching in the spring and 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:03.118 that work will be uh an integral part of that will 00:04:03.129 --> 00:04:05.949 be stakeholder feedback. We'll have superintendent 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:08.258 groups that we work with teacher groups that we work 00:04:08.270 --> 00:04:11.960 with. So all of that is what you're teeing us up really 00:04:11.969 --> 00:04:15.338 well to do that work. I did wanna uh just uh bring 00:04:15.349 --> 00:04:17.540 to the board's attention. That member Dvorak has joined 00:04:17.548 --> 00:04:19.889 us on Zoom member Dvorak. Thank you for being here 00:04:19.899 --> 00:04:26.269 We'll uh note your presence. 00:04:26.269 --> 00:04:29.850 Ok. Further discussion from the board. Mr Coleman. 00:04:29.858 --> 00:04:32.199 Do you need 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:40.470 um I think I may have a motion 00:04:40.470 --> 00:04:47.500 right, shocking 00:04:47.500 --> 00:04:49.759 while we're waiting. Uh Doctor Gelsinger, I have to 00:04:49.769 --> 00:04:52.528 agree with you. Those are two of the things that have 00:04:52.540 --> 00:04:56.600 for me. Uh The fact that this person stayed one week 00:04:56.608 --> 00:05:00.088 to help but didn't stay a month or two weeks or 30 00:05:00.100 --> 00:05:04.670 days that but stayed to help in some respect and didn't 00:05:04.858 --> 00:05:07.225 have lesson plans that they could share. So I think 00:05:07.233 --> 00:05:10.423 those two things are the ones that I'm that I trip 00:05:10.434 --> 00:05:12.595 across. I think the other thing we're gonna see is 00:05:12.605 --> 00:05:17.274 the 30 to 45 day change that came down from the previous 00:05:17.285 --> 00:05:20.975 legislative session where they, that's where this language 00:05:20.983 --> 00:05:25.358 looks to me. Like it's coming from that, it's um the 00:05:25.369 --> 00:05:29.470 inscribed and non inscribed reprimand. Um And the continuing 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:32.278 um education or training that was supposed to be for 00:05:32.290 --> 00:05:35.809 that 30 to 45 day period. And that came down actually 00:05:35.819 --> 00:05:39.170 through the legislature. And so I think that's um kind 00:05:39.178 --> 00:05:43.209 of muddied the waters as well in here. That's a great 00:05:43.220 --> 00:05:47.358 point to repeat the additional um bullet about, could 00:05:47.369 --> 00:05:51.028 the board considering any other fact or circumstance 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:55.119 was in that same legislation? So we the 30 to 45 day 00:05:55.338 --> 00:06:00.329 um the adding the training uh as an option and the 00:06:00.338 --> 00:06:04.730 board considering any other fact or circumstance was 00:06:05.449 --> 00:06:12.738 um all within the 87th regular session. 00:06:12.738 --> 00:06:15.338 Are we ready for a message? It looks like we're still 00:06:15.350 --> 00:06:17.278 working on the motion. Maybe, I don't know, maybe I 00:06:17.290 --> 00:06:19.209 I, I'd suggest maybe we table this and then move on 00:06:19.220 --> 00:06:21.540 to the others until we get the language straight. Perhaps 00:06:21.548 --> 00:06:25.338 if you want to do that, that's fine with me. Thank 00:06:25.350 --> 00:06:29.720 you. We're gonna bring it to you right now 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:32.079 and I know we've already stated this, but it's just 00:06:32.088 --> 00:06:34.750 a reminder, both of these PFD S3 and four dealt with 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:37.970 the teacher vacancy task force, right? And the A LJ 00:06:37.980 --> 00:06:40.629 is considering that a relevant circumstance and the 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:42.439 teacher shortage and that is something that we are 00:06:42.449 --> 00:06:45.189 going to continue to see in the PF DS that come before 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:48.189 you in December. So I just want to be clear, right 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:50.608 What you're saying today about what these relevant 00:06:50.619 --> 00:06:53.149 that these are not relevant factors as this board views 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:55.588 them and staff will use that going forward to write 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:58.910 exceptions and your defaults. Um So just to remind 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:02.129 me, Miss, could you say that again about how it connects 00:07:02.139 --> 00:07:04.920 with the teacher vacancy task force? I believe. Um 00:07:04.928 --> 00:07:07.629 Both of these PFD, the A LJS pointed to the teacher 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:09.738 vacancy task force and saying we don't want to take 00:07:09.750 --> 00:07:12.949 good educators right out of the education field. And 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:15.298 that is just a continued theme you will see in December 00:07:15.309 --> 00:07:18.319 where A LJS are using that as a reason as an other 00:07:18.329 --> 00:07:21.838 relevant circumstance to mitigate down the sanction 00:07:23.059 --> 00:07:26.278 So, so in clarifying that the teacher vacancy task 00:07:26.290 --> 00:07:30.850 force didn't ask for clarify for um changing sanctions 00:07:30.858 --> 00:07:33.548 did they? But it just brought up the idea that there 00:07:33.559 --> 00:07:35.798 is a teacher shortage is the connection that they're 00:07:35.809 --> 00:07:39.720 using in here. Yeah, I saw that also as far as um 00:07:40.108 --> 00:07:43.699 uh taking away good teachers at a time of shortage 00:07:43.709 --> 00:07:48.100 I saw that in two of them, I guess. Yes. Uh Thank 00:07:48.108 --> 00:07:51.309 you for bringing that up. Also, um in the discussion 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:54.588 the board had when implementing this legislation, uh 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:58.369 it was, it was clear at, in those discussions that 00:07:58.379 --> 00:08:01.689 the any other facts or circumstances was related to 00:08:01.699 --> 00:08:06.108 the educator as an individual not related to a statewide 00:08:06.119 --> 00:08:10.899 circumstance such as the shortage super and, and board 00:08:10.910 --> 00:08:14.389 You can see, um I was surprised when I picked up all 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:17.939 four of these uh PF DS and they were all about contract 00:08:17.949 --> 00:08:21.358 abandonment. So I think uh um we can see that this 00:08:21.369 --> 00:08:26.809 is a likely scenario. Thank you, 00:08:26.809 --> 00:08:31.009 Mr Coleman. Are we ready for you? Thank you. Thank 00:08:31.019 --> 00:08:34.528 you madam chair. All right. I called the old docket 00:08:34.538 --> 00:08:41.428 number 701-23 dash 12398 dot EC State Board for Educated 00:08:41.438 --> 00:08:43.678 Certification versus Monica Jackson. I moved at the 00:08:43.688 --> 00:08:46.418 border do the proposal for decision including finds 00:08:46.428 --> 00:08:50.700 of effect numbers one through 17 and conclusions of 00:08:50.710 --> 00:08:53.418 law numbers one through eight. A move that the board 00:08:53.428 --> 00:08:57.029 delete conclusion of law number 11 and modify conclusion 00:08:57.038 --> 00:09:03.190 of law numbers nine and 10 as follows nine. The evidence 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:06.739 in this case does not implicate any mitigating factors 00:09:06.750 --> 00:09:10.759 And as such, the mandatory minimum sanction does apply 00:09:10.899 --> 00:09:14.428 10 respondents should be sanctioned with a one year 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:17.808 suspension of her teaching certificate. This modification 00:09:17.820 --> 00:09:20.529 of sanction is permissible pursuant to the Texas government 00:09:20.538 --> 00:09:28.210 code section 2001.05 E, excuse me 0.058 E and is necessary 00:09:28.219 --> 00:09:30.729 because the administrative law judge did not properly 00:09:30.739 --> 00:09:34.048 apply or interpret the board rules as the A LJ noted 00:09:34.058 --> 00:09:36.779 in conclusion of law number seven responded did not 00:09:36.788 --> 00:09:40.529 have good cause or consent to resign from her contract 00:09:40.538 --> 00:09:47.029 with H ISD the A LJ unjustly relies on findings of 00:09:47.038 --> 00:09:49.879 fact number seven and 10 to establish mitigating factors 00:09:49.889 --> 00:09:55.288 However, the board has never considered stress or anxiety 00:09:55.298 --> 00:09:58.460 about a position without supporting medical documentation 00:09:58.729 --> 00:10:03.219 to be a mitigating factor. Excuse me. Uh Similarly 00:10:03.229 --> 00:10:07.219 the board has never considered dissatisfaction with 00:10:07.229 --> 00:10:09.548 the teaching assignment to be considered a mitigating 00:10:09.558 --> 00:10:13.048 factor. The Texas education code authorizes superintendents 00:10:13.058 --> 00:10:15.529 and campus principals to determine campus placements 00:10:15.538 --> 00:10:19.149 for teachers and staff as part of school district management 00:10:19.158 --> 00:10:24.320 Texas education code section 11.202. The Texas Attorney 00:10:24.330 --> 00:10:32.418 General opinion number DM 0027 uh from 1991 every Texas 00:10:32.428 --> 00:10:35.168 educators contract including respondents clearly states 00:10:35.178 --> 00:10:37.899 that the educator is subject to assignment and reassignment 00:10:37.908 --> 00:10:42.308 Educators may have an exception, excuse me, an expectation 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:45.129 of which campus grade level or subject matter they 00:10:45.139 --> 00:10:49.019 may be teaching but it is all subject to change on 00:10:49.029 --> 00:10:53.678 student enrollment and needs. Campus assignment decisions 00:10:53.690 --> 00:10:57.969 are made to meet instructional needs at the unilateral 00:10:57.979 --> 00:11:01.190 discretion of the school district administrators, the 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:04.139 Texas education code has already determined that an 00:11:04.149 --> 00:11:07.889 educator's feelings about teaching in a school environment 00:11:07.899 --> 00:11:10.428 that the educator would not have chosen for themselves 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:12.788 are irrelevant to the teacher's obligation to remain 00:11:12.798 --> 00:11:15.349 in the assignment and fulfill the teacher's contract 00:11:15.359 --> 00:11:18.519 The administrative law judge's recommendation, excuse 00:11:18.529 --> 00:11:21.149 me, recommended sanction of continuing education or 00:11:21.158 --> 00:11:24.570 training or an inscribed or non inscribed reprimand 00:11:24.580 --> 00:11:28.000 is insufficient because a non inscribed reprimand does 00:11:28.009 --> 00:11:32.070 not appear on the educators facing public facing certification 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.779 record and is not visible to the school district's 00:11:34.788 --> 00:11:38.489 parents or other educators. It is therefore, it therefore 00:11:38.500 --> 00:11:41.308 cannot achieve the board's goal of protecting the safety 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:43.379 and welfare of the school Children upholding the public 00:11:43.389 --> 00:11:46.658 trust and deterring future violations. Continuing education 00:11:46.668 --> 00:11:49.250 or training is also not appropriate as there is no 00:11:49.259 --> 00:11:52.469 further training respond it can undertake which would 00:11:52.479 --> 00:11:55.440 educate her to not abandon her teaching contract. The 00:11:55.450 --> 00:12:01.710 appropriate sanction in this case is a suspension which 00:12:01.719 --> 00:12:05.029 is visible on the face of the educators certificate 00:12:05.038 --> 00:12:08.080 to inform the public and deter other educators from 00:12:08.090 --> 00:12:12.690 engaging in similar conduct. The rules set out a one 00:12:12.700 --> 00:12:17.205 year minimum for contract abandonment, absent any mitigating 00:12:17.215 --> 00:12:20.575 factors. The A OJ found that the respondent did not 00:12:20.585 --> 00:12:24.065 give good cause and abandoned her contract. There were 00:12:24.075 --> 00:12:27.004 no findings as to any mitigating factors that the board 00:12:27.014 --> 00:12:30.474 excuse me, the board has previously considered as such 00:12:30.484 --> 00:12:33.955 The sanction should not be mitigated respondents, educator 00:12:33.965 --> 00:12:37.644 certificate or certificates should be suspended for 00:12:37.654 --> 00:12:40.210 one year. 00:12:40.210 --> 00:12:46.500 Do I have a second Miss mcdonald further discussion 00:12:47.918 --> 00:12:51.538 Those in favor. Please raise your right hand, those 00:12:51.548 --> 00:12:56.298 opposed same sign and the motion carries. Thank you 00:12:57.129 --> 00:12:59.369 Thank you madam chair. I believe that brings us to 00:12:59.379 --> 00:13:01.879 the fourth proposal for decision in the matter of do 00:13:02.149 --> 00:13:05.408 is Mr Dor here or anyone representing Mr Doer here 00:13:05.418 --> 00:13:09.690 today? Um ok. The A LJ recommend I believe in this 00:13:09.700 --> 00:13:13.509 case, a three month suspension um based on mitigating 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:16.029 factors, good faith communications and also the other 00:13:16.038 --> 00:13:19.428 relevant circumstances or facts. Staff is recommending 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:21.668 a eight month suspension and I will turn it over to 00:13:21.678 --> 00:13:24.678 Mr Hinsley again to walk us through the facts board 00:13:24.690 --> 00:13:26.849 of members. The only real issue in this case is what 00:13:26.859 --> 00:13:28.950 sanctions should be given to a teacher who has what 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:31.519 amounts to buyers or Moers after signing a contract 00:13:31.989 --> 00:13:35.658 Now, the facts in the case are not in dispute, signed 00:13:35.668 --> 00:13:38.928 a contract with San Antonio ISD for the 22 23 school 00:13:38.940 --> 00:13:43.340 year on Friday, August 12th, 2022. However, on Monday 00:13:43.369 --> 00:13:45.879 August 15th, on the eve of the new school year starting 00:13:46.190 --> 00:13:50.700 emailed his resignation to Saisd was hired as an avid 00:13:50.710 --> 00:13:53.590 college readiness teacher for Luther Burbank high school 00:13:53.830 --> 00:13:57.099 Lord, one of the vice principals at Burbank testified 00:13:57.109 --> 00:13:59.869 that why it wasn't ideal. The respondent was hired 00:13:59.879 --> 00:14:02.479 just before school started. It wasn't uncommon either 00:14:02.899 --> 00:14:05.229 respond only worked a half day on campus on Friday 00:14:05.239 --> 00:14:09.340 August 15th. I'm I'm sorry in August 12th. During that 00:14:09.349 --> 00:14:12.538 half day, Vice Minister Gerard testified that respondent 00:14:12.548 --> 00:14:15.590 seemed stressed and had a number of questions due to 00:14:15.599 --> 00:14:18.849 the school starting that following Monday, Mr didn't 00:14:18.859 --> 00:14:20.369 have time to answer all those questions but asked him 00:14:20.379 --> 00:14:22.428 to text or email them to her. However, before she had 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:25.509 the chance to answer respondents concerns on that Friday 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:28.969 he resigned. Respondent testified that a lack of information 00:14:28.979 --> 00:14:31.750 about the expectations of his new job left him feeling 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:35.210 stressed and anxious. Vice Principal Gerard testified 00:14:35.219 --> 00:14:37.808 that the respondent has had not resigned. His questions 00:14:37.820 --> 00:14:39.969 would have been answered promptly and it would have 00:14:39.979 --> 00:14:43.269 been mentored in his new position. Now, the administrative 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:45.538 law judge agreed that responded, abandoned the contract 00:14:45.548 --> 00:14:48.190 without good cause but found the mitigating factor 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:50.969 justified a sanction of only a three month suspension 00:14:51.469 --> 00:14:53.899 The administrative law judge seemed to put a great 00:14:53.908 --> 00:14:56.820 weight on the idea that Burbank High School was a harm 00:14:57.210 --> 00:15:01.058 by resigning the day before classes started. In fact 00:15:01.070 --> 00:15:04.080 the A LJ wrote that the school was scarcely worse off 00:15:04.090 --> 00:15:06.779 than they had been before responded, resigned. The 00:15:06.788 --> 00:15:09.960 evidence of the case shows that this isn't true. Vice 00:15:09.969 --> 00:15:12.479 Principal Gerard testified that the school had to scramble 00:15:12.489 --> 00:15:15.359 to find a replacement for respondent because it took 00:15:15.369 --> 00:15:17.820 several weeks to find a long term substitute teacher 00:15:18.090 --> 00:15:20.960 Students in the class didn't receive avid instruction 00:15:20.969 --> 00:15:23.139 and were disadvantaged. In fact, Vice Principal Gerard 00:15:23.149 --> 00:15:26.469 testified in essence, they were baby sat for weeks 00:15:26.479 --> 00:15:29.229 and weeks on end. If respondent had stayed in position 00:15:29.239 --> 00:15:31.359 he would have been supported by school administration 00:15:31.808 --> 00:15:34.538 and the students would have received instruction in 00:15:34.548 --> 00:15:37.940 the avid curriculum. Also, the A LJ credits responded 00:15:37.950 --> 00:15:40.389 with good faith communications with S A IC as a mitigating 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:44.048 factor. However, staff position that the A LJ leans 00:15:44.058 --> 00:15:46.869 too much on the other relevant facts and circumstances 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.009 of mitigation defense too heavily to come up with the 00:15:50.019 --> 00:15:52.788 recommended three month sanction. Now viewing the case 00:15:52.798 --> 00:15:54.668 through the lens of the harm, it actually caused the 00:15:54.678 --> 00:15:57.200 Burbank high school and the students there in staff 00:15:57.239 --> 00:15:59.340 believes the sanction of eight months suspension would 00:15:59.349 --> 00:16:05.879 be more justified in this case, 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:10.548 Mr Hensley, uh I direct your attention to page 13 of 00:16:10.558 --> 00:16:13.918 the uh the ruling here about midway through that first 00:16:13.928 --> 00:16:18.440 paragraph. The A LJ again, not like the previous PFD 00:16:18.450 --> 00:16:22.700 He says that the board's rules would be unduly harsh 00:16:22.710 --> 00:16:25.759 in these circumstances. He's making a direct comment 00:16:25.769 --> 00:16:29.928 on our established board rules. Uh I personally have 00:16:29.940 --> 00:16:32.418 a problem with that because our rules are there to 00:16:32.428 --> 00:16:36.009 provide consistency where we have similarly situated 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:41.928 um educators in similarly situated circumstances. Again 00:16:41.940 --> 00:16:44.408 my question would be what would distinguish this case 00:16:44.418 --> 00:16:47.668 from any other case that of contract abandonment that 00:16:47.678 --> 00:16:51.109 would get a one year suspension? Mr The only thing 00:16:51.119 --> 00:16:53.259 I think that would distinguish this case is the sheer 00:16:53.269 --> 00:16:56.259 shortness of a tenure there at San Antonio ID. That 00:16:56.599 --> 00:16:59.668 that's the only thing in my mind that you could differentiate 00:16:59.678 --> 00:17:02.200 between prior cases, but you have someone who signed 00:17:02.210 --> 00:17:04.439 a contract who doesn't fulfill that contract and resigns 00:17:04.449 --> 00:17:08.468 without consent. And so 00:17:08.468 --> 00:17:11.420 ask you 00:17:11.420 --> 00:17:16.097 really 00:17:16.097 --> 00:17:19.188 um thank you. Um There are a couple of things that 00:17:19.198 --> 00:17:23.729 I was wondering um when he said that he had never been 00:17:23.739 --> 00:17:26.949 in front of a class before, but he was on a probationary 00:17:26.959 --> 00:17:31.059 certificate as opposed to an intern certificate. Can 00:17:31.068 --> 00:17:33.390 you remind me why that would be that he would be on 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:41.318 pro probationary as opposed to an intern cert 00:17:41.318 --> 00:17:45.779 he would have passed. 00:17:45.779 --> 00:17:49.660 So he passed his uh content and pedagogy. OK. Thank 00:17:49.670 --> 00:17:53.118 you. Um So there were a couple of things here. I don't 00:17:53.130 --> 00:17:56.078 again, I don't disagree with you, but I do think it's 00:17:56.088 --> 00:17:59.368 a window into things that happen at schools with teachers 00:17:59.380 --> 00:18:03.170 that um we need to be aware of. Um So if he 00:18:03.180 --> 00:18:06.449 were, had never been in front of a class before. First 00:18:06.459 --> 00:18:10.000 of all that, um, it helps us understand how hard it 00:18:10.009 --> 00:18:15.400 is to be an intern and how much support, um, is necessary 00:18:15.410 --> 00:18:17.559 to help people who have never been in front of a, a 00:18:17.568 --> 00:18:20.660 class before. But as all of us might imagine if we 00:18:20.670 --> 00:18:22.779 had to go in and teach a high school class tomorrow 00:18:22.789 --> 00:18:29.358 for which we had no, um, uh, curriculum or instructions 00:18:29.368 --> 00:18:31.858 that would be a difficult thing for anyone. I think 00:18:32.059 --> 00:18:36.750 um, one of the other things, um, that I wanted to point 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:40.049 out 00:18:40.049 --> 00:18:43.039 is it's true that he resigned the night before the 00:18:43.049 --> 00:18:46.939 classes, but he had only been hired the previous, uh 00:18:46.949 --> 00:18:50.789 Friday and was promised to have the, the curriculum 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:56.809 in place. I thought his questions about, um, let's 00:18:56.818 --> 00:19:00.598 see, send her a list of questions about the curriculum 00:19:00.608 --> 00:19:03.439 What his teaching schedule would be, what his salary 00:19:03.449 --> 00:19:06.140 and benefits are. What do the materials, what does 00:19:06.150 --> 00:19:08.880 he do with the things that are left in the classroom 00:19:08.890 --> 00:19:11.170 uh, from the previous teacher? And whether or not he 00:19:11.180 --> 00:19:13.739 would have a, uh, computer. So he has no curriculum 00:19:13.750 --> 00:19:17.588 and no computer. And so I think those are all reasonable 00:19:17.598 --> 00:19:24.059 questions. Um, I think also, um, 00:19:24.059 --> 00:19:27.868 that it was really a missed opportunity for a school 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:30.949 who now had someone who was willing to teach that class 00:19:30.959 --> 00:19:33.328 and didn't provide the support. So I see it more as 00:19:33.338 --> 00:19:35.380 a missed opportunity. I'm not saying it's cause for 00:19:35.390 --> 00:19:38.430 abandonment, but that it's a, a wake up call that we 00:19:38.439 --> 00:19:41.130 need to support our teachers when they come into our 00:19:41.140 --> 00:19:46.539 schools. Um I think most of the things we saw were 00:19:46.549 --> 00:19:49.759 really human resource and technology issues. So he 00:19:49.769 --> 00:19:52.559 didn't have a computer, he didn't have help and he 00:19:52.568 --> 00:19:55.969 didn't have curriculum uh and had never been in front 00:19:55.979 --> 00:19:59.608 of a class before. Um Another thing that was brought 00:19:59.618 --> 00:20:02.789 up was whether or not these are mitigating circumstances 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:04.689 And again, I think we're gonna see these again. So 00:20:04.699 --> 00:20:08.838 we just need to be thinking that if his only way to 00:20:08.848 --> 00:20:12.229 have a lesser sanction was to give 30 days notice when 00:20:12.239 --> 00:20:15.338 he was hired one day before, I would argue that one 00:20:15.348 --> 00:20:17.489 And I, I think we know where that language came from 00:20:17.719 --> 00:20:21.160 But then also how could he provide training? How could 00:20:21.170 --> 00:20:24.430 he get the checkmark for providing training if he hadn't 00:20:24.439 --> 00:20:26.739 been provided with training? And how could he get a 00:20:26.750 --> 00:20:29.279 check mark for providing lesson plans when he wasn't 00:20:29.289 --> 00:20:33.640 given lesson plans? Um And then, um he, he did reach 00:20:33.650 --> 00:20:36.779 out to get help and I agree that there should have 00:20:36.789 --> 00:20:41.029 been other ways to do that. Um I also thought the saying 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:44.118 that the respondent had can be faulted for signing 00:20:44.130 --> 00:20:46.989 his employment contract without first resolving his 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:51.279 unanswered questions and doubts. Um I'd like to think 00:20:51.289 --> 00:20:54.390 that that were true, but that is actually how it works 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:57.358 You sign your contract. You, they, a lot of times the 00:20:57.368 --> 00:21:00.779 boards haven't voted on what your salary will be at 00:21:00.789 --> 00:21:03.838 best. You could go look on the website and find the 00:21:03.848 --> 00:21:07.608 salary from the previous year. But, um, but that's 00:21:07.618 --> 00:21:12.289 a, that's not an unusual circumstance in my case. So 00:21:12.299 --> 00:21:15.250 um, again, II, I don't disagree with you. Uh, but I 00:21:15.259 --> 00:21:17.969 do think this brings to light some of the things that 00:21:18.250 --> 00:21:21.969 um, are, again missed opportunities for us to support 00:21:21.979 --> 00:21:26.170 our teachers from the get go. Yes. Yes, please. Do 00:21:26.969 --> 00:21:30.059 you bring up a great point here, Streep. And it's something 00:21:30.068 --> 00:21:33.680 this board may have authority and influence over, which 00:21:33.689 --> 00:21:37.449 is the requirements for how, um, ed prep programs, 00:21:37.459 --> 00:21:39.309 we don't have the authority over districts but how 00:21:39.318 --> 00:21:43.868 ed prep programs support their uh emergency uh candidates 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:46.568 those who are hired within, you know, a few days of 00:21:46.578 --> 00:21:49.989 school starting. Um, and what type of support and guidance 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:53.108 and mentorship um, are required for those candidates 00:21:53.118 --> 00:21:56.108 Those, those uh requirements are within your rules 00:21:56.118 --> 00:21:57.920 And it's something that we can look at the idea that 00:21:57.930 --> 00:22:00.559 this person was a teacher and had never been in front 00:22:00.568 --> 00:22:04.568 of uh students before. That's not generally, um, the 00:22:04.578 --> 00:22:08.539 board's approach to the work. Um, but because we have 00:22:08.549 --> 00:22:10.598 the emergency hire provisions, those are things that 00:22:10.608 --> 00:22:13.640 you would be able to address within rule making. Should 00:22:13.650 --> 00:22:16.890 the board want to do that? 00:22:16.890 --> 00:22:19.420 I agree with you. And the fact that there could have 00:22:19.430 --> 00:22:21.939 been a mentor available. I, I couldn't figure out why 00:22:21.949 --> 00:22:24.949 there wouldn't be that if there was a mentor assigned 00:22:24.959 --> 00:22:27.699 to him, that there would not have been a mentor on 00:22:27.709 --> 00:22:30.910 that campus the day before school started. So to me 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:33.549 those two things didn't, didn't align as well as I 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:35.828 would have liked. And I just caution us because we 00:22:35.838 --> 00:22:38.269 have a lot of expertise and we know a lot, but none 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:40.469 of this is actually in the record other than the actual 00:22:40.479 --> 00:22:43.920 type of certificate that he held so agreed. But I do 00:22:43.930 --> 00:22:45.858 think it does bring to light some of the things that 00:22:45.868 --> 00:22:52.640 our new teachers deal with. 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:58.838 Ok. Do we have a motion? Thank you. 00:22:58.838 --> 00:23:02.739 Can I ask a question here? So, on this one, what, eight 00:23:02.750 --> 00:23:06.689 months rather than a year 00:23:06.689 --> 00:23:12.709 because he's already done some, 00:23:12.709 --> 00:23:16.160 we were actually trying to be very lenient on him. 00:23:16.170 --> 00:23:18.578 Uh Given the eight months, I mean, if you look at the 00:23:18.588 --> 00:23:21.259 mitigating factors, really, the only one that applies 00:23:21.269 --> 00:23:27.380 is, is, is a good faith communication, right? So I 00:23:27.479 --> 00:23:31.939 think it's maybe staff looking at the situation where 00:23:31.949 --> 00:23:35.809 it's a short term issue with the contract and then 00:23:35.818 --> 00:23:38.799 the inability to get the other checkmarks and be a 00:23:38.809 --> 00:23:57.670 little bit lenient. 00:23:57.670 --> 00:24:03.509 Mr Coleman. I called to order docket number 701-23 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:09.189 dash 12460 dot EC State Board for Educated Certification 00:24:09.229 --> 00:24:15.549 versus Piro Deer. I move that the board adopted a proposal 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:19.029 for decision including findings of fact. Numbers one 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:21.368 through 30 conclusions of law. Numbers one through 00:24:21.380 --> 00:24:24.809 11, a move that the board modified a conclusion of 00:24:24.818 --> 00:24:30.420 law number 12 as follows. 12 respondents, educator 00:24:30.430 --> 00:24:32.608 certificate should be suspended for a period of eight 00:24:32.618 --> 00:24:36.239 months. The mandatory one year suspension mitigated 00:24:36.250 --> 00:24:41.979 uh due to his good faith communications with Saisd 00:24:42.199 --> 00:24:44.699 the modification of sanction is permissible pursuant 00:24:44.709 --> 00:24:49.598 to the Texas government code section 2001.05 E section 00:24:49.608 --> 00:24:51.549 eight. 00:24:51.549 --> 00:24:53.868 and is necessary because the administrative law judge 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:56.618 did not properly apply or interpret the board's rules 00:24:56.818 --> 00:24:59.969 as the A OJ noted in conclusion of law number eight 00:24:59.979 --> 00:25:03.338 responded did not give good cause to resign from his 00:25:03.348 --> 00:25:06.219 contract without the consent of the district's board 00:25:06.229 --> 00:25:09.469 of trustees. Further, the board has never considered 00:25:09.479 --> 00:25:12.949 stress and anxiety about a position without supporting 00:25:12.959 --> 00:25:15.868 medical documentation to be a mitigating factor. Similarly 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:19.578 the board has never required that a, the reporting 00:25:19.588 --> 00:25:22.959 school district show a profound and distinct harm due 00:25:22.969 --> 00:25:26.618 to the educator's contract abandonment or B an educator 00:25:26.630 --> 00:25:29.750 needed to have worked a certain number of days at the 00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:32.689 school before resigning to establish the severity of 00:25:32.699 --> 00:25:35.838 con contract abandonment. While the administrative 00:25:35.848 --> 00:25:39.229 law judge recommended a three month suspension that 00:25:39.239 --> 00:25:43.118 is insufficient to deter other educators from abandoning 00:25:43.130 --> 00:25:46.699 their contract without good cause. The SEC rules set 00:25:46.709 --> 00:25:49.400 out a one year minimum sanction for contract abandonment 00:25:49.410 --> 00:25:53.318 absent in mitigating factors. The A OJ found that respondent 00:25:53.328 --> 00:25:56.799 had one mitigating factor when she showed good faith 00:25:56.809 --> 00:26:00.459 communications with the school district. And as a result 00:26:00.469 --> 00:26:04.150 the sanction should be an eight month suspension of 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:08.299 respondents educator certificate. Thank you very much 00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:13.769 Do I have a second? 00:26:13.769 --> 00:26:18.299 Thank you, Doctor Bres for the discussion. Those in 00:26:18.309 --> 00:26:22.299 favor. Please raise your right hand, those opposed 00:26:22.309 --> 00:26:28.160 same sign and the motion carries. 00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:30.368 Thank you madam chair. I believe this now brings us 00:26:30.380 --> 00:26:33.019 to proposal for decision. Number one. The matter of 00:26:33.029 --> 00:26:36.959 Barbara Roy is M Roy present today or anyone representing 00:26:36.969 --> 00:26:41.118 M Roy? Ok. Um In this matter, the A LJ recommended 00:26:41.130 --> 00:26:43.279 a one year suspension of her teaching certificate and 00:26:43.289 --> 00:26:45.969 staff is recommending that the board um adopt the A 00:26:45.979 --> 00:26:48.828 LJS recommendation if you'd like to hear from our attorney 00:26:48.838 --> 00:26:51.219 she's here. Um Otherwise you can go ahead and vote 00:26:51.229 --> 00:26:55.068 on this one 00:26:55.068 --> 00:26:58.910 questions from the board. I just had one comment on 00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:04.108 this one. It was um findings of fact number seven on 00:27:04.118 --> 00:27:08.009 page 14, um that said respondent resigned on August 00:27:08.019 --> 00:27:12.709 18th 2022 because she did not want to work with special 00:27:12.719 --> 00:27:16.479 education Children. Um As someone who has taught in 00:27:16.489 --> 00:27:21.910 um uh uh general ed but inclusion classroom, I think 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:25.049 um that that person was likely to have worked with 00:27:25.059 --> 00:27:29.049 special needs students in her own classroom. So as 00:27:29.059 --> 00:27:32.989 uh as someone who has taught probably that same class 00:27:33.029 --> 00:27:36.559 I I found that offensive. 00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:39.170 Yeah, 00:27:39.170 --> 00:27:48.469 questions or comments from the board 00:27:48.469 --> 00:27:54.449 and do I have a motion? 00:27:54.449 --> 00:27:58.259 Thank you, Doctor Bs. 00:27:58.259 --> 00:28:00.719 I agree with you on the offensive comments, by the 00:28:00.729 --> 00:28:09.809 way, uh I called order number 7012314019 dot EC State 00:28:09.818 --> 00:28:13.930 Board for Educator Certification versus Barbara Roy 00:28:13.939 --> 00:28:16.809 I move the board that the board accept the proposal 00:28:16.818 --> 00:28:19.640 for decision and issue a final order consistent with 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:26.108 the A LGS recommendation, Miss Roy's educator certificates 00:28:26.118 --> 00:28:29.578 should be suspended for one year. 00:28:29.578 --> 00:28:34.029 Do I have a second, Miss mcdonald? Thank you for the 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:36.799 discussion. Those in favor, please raise your right 00:28:36.809 --> 00:28:42.098 hand. Those opposed same sign and the mushroom carries 00:28:44.848 --> 00:28:47.170 Ok. I believe that brings us to our last proposal for 00:28:47.180 --> 00:28:50.299 decision. Um In the matter of M King is M King present 00:28:50.309 --> 00:28:53.989 or anyone representing M King president today. Um This 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.910 is another contract abandonment matter. The A LJ recommended 00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.250 a one year suspension of her certificate and staff 00:28:59.259 --> 00:29:02.140 is recommending that the board adopt the A LJS recommendation 00:29:02.150 --> 00:29:04.779 and Mr Hinsley is back if anyone has any questions 00:29:09.059 --> 00:29:15.880 discussion or questions from the board. 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:21.019 Do I have a motion? 00:29:21.019 --> 00:29:26.699 Thank you, Doctor Brea. Ok. Uh I call the order docket 00:29:26.709 --> 00:29:33.390 number 701-23 dash 12397 dot EC State Board for Educator 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.309 Certification versus Pamela King. A move that the board 00:29:37.318 --> 00:29:41.449 accept the proposal for a decision and issue a final 00:29:41.459 --> 00:29:44.689 order consistent with the A LJS recommendation, MS 00:29:44.699 --> 00:29:47.068 King's educated certificates should be suspended for 00:29:47.078 --> 00:29:52.059 one year. Do I have a second, Miss mcdonald? Thank 00:29:52.068 --> 00:29:56.588 you for the discussion. Those in favor, please raise 00:29:56.598 --> 00:30:01.699 your right hand, those opposed same sign and the motion 00:30:01.709 --> 00:30:14.670 carries. Let's take a break until 10 20 00:30:14.670 --> 00:30:37.588 together. 00:30:37.588 --> 00:30:42.088 Thank you guys. It is now 10 24. And I believe we 00:30:42.098 --> 00:31:00.009 are ready for um, item 10. Oh, sorry, 00:31:00.009 --> 00:31:03.000 super. It is 10 25 and we are ready to start with 00:31:03.009 --> 00:31:09.449 item number 10. And um uh Doctor Mark Ollison 00:31:09.449 --> 00:31:13.049 morning board, um item 10 is the opportunity for the 00:31:13.059 --> 00:31:15.949 board to adopt uh rules and or updates to chapter 2 00:31:15.959 --> 00:31:20.739 29. Um This is an adoption item uh just as a reminder 00:31:20.750 --> 00:31:23.150 And as we've discussed every year, staff brings any 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.400 necessary annual updates for the accountability system 00:31:25.410 --> 00:31:28.269 to the board. Uh This year, these were scored by updates 00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:31.199 elsewhere, stakeholder input feedback and guidance 00:31:31.209 --> 00:31:33.239 from the board. And of course, we had another year 00:31:33.250 --> 00:31:36.078 of completing our ASAP calculations. Importantly, uh 00:31:36.088 --> 00:31:39.539 There are no changes in this item since it was approved 00:31:39.549 --> 00:31:43.578 by this board unanimously in July uh at a very high 00:31:43.588 --> 00:31:46.309 level. Uh given that we haven't made any changes, we 00:31:46.318 --> 00:31:48.689 won't go too into depth here, but just as a reminder 00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:51.348 uh there were four categories of updates starting with 00:31:51.358 --> 00:31:53.989 updates to the small group calculations and standards 00:31:54.019 --> 00:31:56.368 So that was updates in the rural text that provide 00:31:56.380 --> 00:31:58.910 flexibility for programs to miss up to one candidate 00:31:59.019 --> 00:32:00.900 In the case we're missing one candidate would cause 00:32:00.910 --> 00:32:03.640 them to miss the standard. Um Also as discussed, there 00:32:03.650 --> 00:32:06.539 were similar issues uh for our small group calculations 00:32:06.568 --> 00:32:09.598 Uh So we also made updates there then for the determination 00:32:09.608 --> 00:32:11.828 of accreditation statuses, we're allowing statuses 00:32:11.838 --> 00:32:14.549 that were carried over due to no data to not additionally 00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.699 count towards revocation for the continuing approval 00:32:17.709 --> 00:32:20.739 Uh We're specifying the timeline for compliance. And 00:32:20.750 --> 00:32:23.900 finally, uh there were updates to the manual uh technical 00:32:23.910 --> 00:32:26.509 cleanup, including dates, cross references, clarifying 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:29.670 languages or clarifying language, updating examples 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:33.078 Uh and the like. Uh So just again, as a reminder, uh 00:32:33.088 --> 00:32:36.130 exact same as what we had that the board approved in 00:32:36.140 --> 00:32:40.108 July uh with no changes. Um I don't believe there's 00:32:40.118 --> 00:32:43.799 anyone signed up to testify on this item. Uh So happy 00:32:43.809 --> 00:32:47.890 to address any questions from the board or there is 00:32:47.900 --> 00:32:51.130 a motion 00:32:51.130 --> 00:32:55.920 questions from the board. 00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:01.430 Do we need a minute to look and 00:33:01.430 --> 00:33:09.348 ok. And do we have a motion? 00:33:09.348 --> 00:33:12.660 Oh, I'm sorry, Miss class, 00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:16.670 I move to approve for adoption subject to the State 00:33:17.199 --> 00:33:20.608 Board of Education SBOE. Review the proposed amendments 00:33:20.618 --> 00:33:24.828 to 19 T ac chapter 2, 29 Accountability System for 00:33:24.838 --> 00:33:27.799 educator preparation programs is presented with an 00:33:27.809 --> 00:33:31.680 effective date 20 days after the filing of the adoption 00:33:31.689 --> 00:33:36.088 notice with the Texas register. And do we have a second 00:33:36.098 --> 00:33:39.420 Miss mcdonald? Thank you further discussion from the 00:33:39.430 --> 00:33:43.039 board. 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:46.868 Those in favor. Please raise your right hand, those 00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:52.430 opposed same sign and the motion carries. 00:33:52.430 --> 00:33:56.729 Thank you, Doctor Alderson. 00:33:56.729 --> 00:34:00.519 Ok. Next up we have uh Miss mclaughlin and item 11 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.949 Oh, 00:34:07.949 --> 00:34:12.829 good morning for um, it'll be Miss Burkhart today. 00:34:13.168 --> 00:34:17.829 You bet. How's everyone doing? Um ok, so this item 00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:21.179 11 gives you the opportunity to approve the membership 00:34:21.188 --> 00:34:25.059 of the standards advisory committees for teacher pedagogy 00:34:25.070 --> 00:34:27.978 uh and for English language, arts and reading and math 00:34:27.989 --> 00:34:31.769 content pedagogy. 00:34:31.769 --> 00:34:36.478 These will be three committees that are going to redesign 00:34:36.489 --> 00:34:41.760 update and uh develop standards for teacher pedagogy 00:34:41.769 --> 00:34:46.849 er and math content pedagogy. Um These will align the 00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:52.719 standards with this recent legislation. HB 16 05. HB 00:34:52.728 --> 00:34:58.329 159 and SB 226. If you need more information on that 00:34:58.340 --> 00:35:02.590 legislation, it's on pages one and two of your uh of 00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:08.360 this item in your book. But um hb 16 05 is about 00:35:08.369 --> 00:35:11.500 open education resources, best practice using high 00:35:11.510 --> 00:35:17.079 quality instructional materials. HB 159 is about um 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:20.929 educating all students using universal design for learning 00:35:20.938 --> 00:35:24.039 So implementing best practices around that and then 00:35:24.050 --> 00:35:27.688 each Senate bill 226 is about best practices for digital 00:35:27.699 --> 00:35:32.949 literacy instruction. 00:35:32.949 --> 00:35:37.280 So in July, you all approved us to move ahead with 00:35:37.289 --> 00:35:39.820 an application for these committees. We sent out the 00:35:39.829 --> 00:35:42.378 application shortly after the July meeting left it 00:35:42.389 --> 00:35:47.159 open till September 5th and then today you have the 00:35:47.168 --> 00:35:50.719 opportunity to approve this membership. We'll notify 00:35:50.728 --> 00:35:53.978 them shortly after and then get right to work. Uh aiming 00:35:53.989 --> 00:35:57.148 to have standards back to you for discussion in April 00:35:57.250 --> 00:36:00.260 following that. If everything goes well, we'll bring 00:36:00.269 --> 00:36:04.739 these standards to uh Sboe in November and then these 00:36:04.750 --> 00:36:07.639 standards will also inform uh the development of the 00:36:07.648 --> 00:36:10.619 Texas TP A and teacher pedagogy. So everything will 00:36:10.628 --> 00:36:14.750 be aligned with this legislation. 00:36:14.750 --> 00:36:18.688 Uh First of all, I want to thank this board for the 00:36:18.699 --> 00:36:22.389 push to cast a wide net. Uh I know we were concerned 00:36:22.398 --> 00:36:28.378 about getting enough applicants, but we got 168 applications 00:36:28.389 --> 00:36:32.398 for 45 spots. So we got a really great response. Um 00:36:32.699 --> 00:36:35.909 It was, it was really exciting to see people from all 00:36:35.918 --> 00:36:39.469 across the state apply for these positions. Um And 00:36:39.478 --> 00:36:42.590 we've got some really great lists. We're representing 00:36:42.829 --> 00:36:46.989 16 different regions across the state. Uh Different 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:52.269 organizations including Leas Charters, IHGS AC PS uh 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:57.199 different ES CS nonprofits and Teacher Orcs. So just 00:36:57.208 --> 00:37:00.969 a really great wide representation of people. Um wanna 00:37:00.978 --> 00:37:04.188 take a minute, you can see these names in your supplemental 00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:09.050 materials, but just to acknowledge the folks that uh 00:37:09.059 --> 00:37:11.780 are on these committees or that we're proposing be 00:37:11.789 --> 00:37:14.079 on the committees. So this is the Teacher Pedagogy 00:37:14.090 --> 00:37:17.878 Standards Advisory Committee. 00:37:17.878 --> 00:37:21.728 Congratulations to these folks. This is the group we're 00:37:21.739 --> 00:37:26.648 recommending for er content pedagogy 00:37:26.648 --> 00:37:30.429 in the yellow folder. Thank you. Supplemental materials 00:37:30.438 --> 00:37:34.329 in your yellow folder 00:37:34.329 --> 00:37:43.978 and the math content pedagogy. 00:37:43.978 --> 00:37:46.829 I don't believe we have public testimony on this item 00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:55.969 Welcome. Any questions from the board. 00:37:55.969 --> 00:38:00.030 Just just curious as to betting how just what the process 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:05.010 looked like, narrowing 1 68 down to 45. So we um the 00:38:05.019 --> 00:38:08.579 application for this was included in the July item 00:38:08.780 --> 00:38:11.489 And using the questions on the application, we set 00:38:11.500 --> 00:38:15.438 up a rubric and had a team vet through. So we aimed 00:38:15.449 --> 00:38:19.958 to get a variety of experience, um different positions 00:38:19.969 --> 00:38:23.965 in school leadership, um different positions in teacher 00:38:23.974 --> 00:38:27.175 leadership across the state, uh representing a variety 00:38:27.184 --> 00:38:29.954 of regions across the state, different organizations 00:38:29.965 --> 00:38:33.454 uh as well as their answers about their vision for 00:38:33.465 --> 00:38:36.974 what pedagogy standards mean and how they would see 00:38:36.985 --> 00:38:44.800 these implementing the current legislation. 00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:47.878 Additional questions or comments from the board, questions 00:38:47.889 --> 00:38:52.239 from Miss Burkard. 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:58.840 OK. That there will be a motion on the board. 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:03.860 Thank you, Miss mcdonald. Uh I move uh to approve the 00:39:03.869 --> 00:39:07.909 membership of the standard advisory committees uh to 00:39:07.918 --> 00:39:12.199 revise the grade banded teacher pedagogy, reading Elar 00:39:12.208 --> 00:39:15.989 and math pedagogy standards as presented. And do we 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.780 have a second? Thank you, Mr Coleman. Further discussion 00:39:20.789 --> 00:39:23.199 from the board. 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:27.010 Those in favor. Please raise your right hand, those 00:39:27.019 --> 00:39:30.878 opposed same sign and the motion carries. Thank you 00:39:37.550 --> 00:39:52.449 We're on item 12 00:39:52.449 --> 00:39:57.898 greetings board members and uh chairs. I am Viviana 00:39:57.909 --> 00:40:00.889 Lopez. I work with this continuing professional education 00:40:00.949 --> 00:40:04.659 area under the leadership of uh Laurie Ayers. I am 00:40:04.668 --> 00:40:08.269 in the preparation program division. Also working closely 00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:12.769 with Marilyn Cook, of course, wanted to uh show you 00:40:12.780 --> 00:40:16.878 the proposed amendment to chapter 2 32 00:40:16.878 --> 00:40:20.349 and just as a reminder, wanted to start up by many 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.789 of you folks, not only our board members but our educators 00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:29.539 across the state that since September 1st of 1999 our 00:40:29.550 --> 00:40:33.139 educators must complete certificate, require uh requirements 00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:36.789 new requirements and that means that every five years 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:38.978 they must complete the, our teachers must complete 00:40:39.010 --> 00:40:43.340 100 and 50 CP. Er, and our, our other categories such 00:40:43.349 --> 00:40:46.869 as administrators and school support members, they 00:40:46.878 --> 00:40:51.860 have to complete 200 CP. Er, we have a, have an extensive 00:40:51.869 --> 00:40:56.199 CP website on our T A website, a webpage that provides 00:40:56.208 --> 00:41:00.239 our educators with a lot of opportunities to uh see 00:41:00.250 --> 00:41:04.500 what the requirements are. Uh also to find providers 00:41:04.510 --> 00:41:06.570 uh especially that affects those folks that are not 00:41:06.579 --> 00:41:08.820 necessarily working with the school district but want 00:41:08.829 --> 00:41:11.329 to continue keeping their certificates active. So we 00:41:11.340 --> 00:41:14.500 have lots of resources there for them and lots of information 00:41:14.510 --> 00:41:19.760 related to the renewal process in itself 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.030 for the proposed amendments that we have for you today 00:41:23.389 --> 00:41:29.449 And chapter 2 37.7 that basically just add some technical 00:41:29.458 --> 00:41:33.800 edits for clarity. We have as you are aware of, we 00:41:33.809 --> 00:41:37.648 have some CP exemptions, hardship exemptions, one related 00:41:37.659 --> 00:41:43.369 specifically to uh medical uh hardship and military 00:41:43.378 --> 00:41:47.059 active duty, hardship. The other one that you adopted 00:41:47.070 --> 00:41:53.360 last year is an exemption that allows uh le a to request 00:41:53.369 --> 00:41:57.978 an activation of certificates uh for one academic year 00:41:58.059 --> 00:42:01.418 to provide the opportunity for our teachers and our 00:42:01.429 --> 00:42:04.304 educators in general to come back to the field while 00:42:04.313 --> 00:42:07.644 they're completing their uh their certificate requirements 00:42:08.054 --> 00:42:11.114 Both of these options, both of these types of hardship 00:42:11.125 --> 00:42:15.644 exemptions uh allow the opportunity for the act, the 00:42:15.655 --> 00:42:19.184 certificate to become valid for specified for a specified 00:42:19.195 --> 00:42:21.579 time 00:42:21.579 --> 00:42:27.208 for our proposed amendment for 2 32.11. This is aligned 00:42:27.219 --> 00:42:32.280 to uh HB 2029 which just passed in the 88th legislature 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:36.199 and removes the limit on C pe hours that can be completed 00:42:36.208 --> 00:42:40.860 by teachers and counselors. This is uh uh hb A 29 really 00:42:40.869 --> 00:42:45.378 in a way uh resolved an unintended consequence uh from 00:42:45.389 --> 00:42:50.739 previous session. The intent of 2029 is to clarify 00:42:50.750 --> 00:42:54.610 that if a teacher chooses to obtain more than 25% of 00:42:54.619 --> 00:42:57.489 their C pe hours, more of the required uh component 00:42:57.750 --> 00:43:01.530 those hours may also be counted for their certificate 00:43:01.539 --> 00:43:05.750 renewal requirements in general. 00:43:05.750 --> 00:43:09.000 Finally, I wanted to provide you then uh and I and 00:43:09.010 --> 00:43:10.969 you have this in your folder that you were provided 00:43:10.978 --> 00:43:16.869 today. This is actually the um this the uh substitute 00:43:16.878 --> 00:43:21.510 text that we are uh showing you here. And I would like 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:24.719 to acknowledge at this time, the assistance that we 00:43:24.728 --> 00:43:27.969 we saw received from Holly Eaton from Texas Classroom 00:43:27.978 --> 00:43:31.579 Teacher Association who provided us um real a lot of 00:43:31.590 --> 00:43:34.539 help in this specific language uh that we have been 00:43:34.550 --> 00:43:37.070 able to incorporate in the substitute text reflected 00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.135 on the, on this. So this is where it shows not only 00:43:40.144 --> 00:43:43.253 that those caps have been removed for teachers and 00:43:43.264 --> 00:43:46.554 counselors, but it allows for teachers to continue 00:43:46.594 --> 00:43:50.175 adding uh those types of uh professional development 00:43:50.184 --> 00:43:53.264 c pe hours for their certificate renewal. So this is 00:43:53.273 --> 00:43:57.840 a win, win for, for everyone. 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:04.519 Believe we have some public testimony. 00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:08.489 Doctor Elizabeth Rogers, Texas Counseling Association 00:44:08.500 --> 00:44:27.039 followed by Holly Eaton. 00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:30.659 OK. Can you guys hear me? OK. All right. Uh My name 00:44:30.668 --> 00:44:32.739 is Elizabeth Rogers. And I'm here on behalf of the 00:44:32.750 --> 00:44:36.909 Texas Counseling Association which represents 47,000 00:44:36.918 --> 00:44:40.099 professional counselors in Texas, 13,000 of which are 00:44:40.110 --> 00:44:43.208 school counselors. One of the priorities of TC A is 00:44:43.219 --> 00:44:46.168 to engage regulatory bodies to protect high professional 00:44:46.179 --> 00:44:49.289 standards for counselors, rigorous professional standards 00:44:49.300 --> 00:44:51.478 ensure that professional counselors are well prepared 00:44:51.648 --> 00:44:55.590 to deliver services ethically and effectively, appropriately 00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:58.458 use technology work with diverse clients, establish 00:44:58.469 --> 00:45:01.969 boundaries, determine effective interventions and implement 00:45:01.978 --> 00:45:05.329 best practices. Therefore, TC A supports the proposed 00:45:05.340 --> 00:45:08.418 amendments that would implement the statutory requirements 00:45:08.429 --> 00:45:12.128 of house Bill 29 29 the 80 legislator regular session 00:45:12.139 --> 00:45:16.360 2023 and would update the continuing professional education 00:45:16.369 --> 00:45:19.438 training requirements to remove the limit on certain 00:45:19.449 --> 00:45:21.360 professional development hours that can be completed 00:45:21.369 --> 00:45:24.219 by classroom teachers and school counselors every five 00:45:24.228 --> 00:45:26.769 years for the purposes of their standard certificate 00:45:26.780 --> 00:45:31.219 renewal. Um We support the language as follows. The 00:45:31.228 --> 00:45:37.699 school counselor shall, uh they shall complete 200 00:45:37.708 --> 00:45:40.659 clock hours. A school counselor who renews their certificate 00:45:40.820 --> 00:45:45.250 must maintain at least 25% of those C pe hours that 00:45:45.260 --> 00:45:48.079 includes training directly related to the following 00:45:48.090 --> 00:45:51.539 five topics, assigning students in developmental and 00:45:51.550 --> 00:45:54.820 developing a high school graduation plans, implementing 00:45:54.829 --> 00:45:58.539 dropout prevention strategies informing students concerning 00:45:58.550 --> 00:46:01.449 college admissions including college financial aid 00:46:01.458 --> 00:46:05.780 resources and applications procedures, career opportunities 00:46:06.610 --> 00:46:10.019 counseling students on concerning mental health conditions 00:46:10.030 --> 00:46:13.639 and substance abuse including uh through the use of 00:46:13.648 --> 00:46:16.378 grief informed and trauma informed interventions and 00:46:16.389 --> 00:46:19.378 crisis management and suicide prevention strategies 00:46:19.708 --> 00:46:22.679 and the effective implementation of the Texas model 00:46:22.688 --> 00:46:25.898 for comprehensive school counseling programs under 00:46:25.909 --> 00:46:32.800 tec 33.005. So school counselors occupy an indispensable 00:46:32.809 --> 00:46:35.958 position within the educational landscape. We hold 00:46:35.969 --> 00:46:38.530 the responsibility of nurturing students across multiple 00:46:38.539 --> 00:46:42.039 dimensions including academic college and career and 00:46:42.050 --> 00:46:44.760 social emotional development. The implementation of 00:46:44.769 --> 00:46:47.469 these proposed training requirements stands as an unwavering 00:46:47.478 --> 00:46:50.519 commitment to fortify the readiness for our counselors 00:46:50.530 --> 00:46:53.809 ultimately securing the well being and success of all 00:46:53.820 --> 00:46:59.019 of our students. Thank you. 00:46:59.019 --> 00:47:03.570 Painted after Rogers, Holly Eaton, Texas Classroom 00:47:03.579 --> 00:47:07.500 Teachers Association, 00:47:07.500 --> 00:47:12.099 I think were pro to help. Good morning board, Holly 00:47:12.110 --> 00:47:14.949 Eaton, Texas Classroom Teachers Association. Appreciate 00:47:14.958 --> 00:47:18.688 this opportunity to testify on item number 12. We are 00:47:18.699 --> 00:47:21.878 grateful for the efforts of TE A staff in proposing 00:47:21.889 --> 00:47:25.688 rule text to implement house bill 29 29 which passed 00:47:25.699 --> 00:47:28.139 during the most recent regular legislative session 00:47:29.349 --> 00:47:32.699 Excuse me, TCT A was heavily involved in working on 00:47:32.708 --> 00:47:35.860 house bill 29 29 as it went through the legislative 00:47:35.869 --> 00:47:39.079 process, we know that a major goal of the bill was 00:47:39.090 --> 00:47:42.199 to address some unintended consequences from some previous 00:47:42.208 --> 00:47:45.840 legislation that had significantly reduced and streamlined 00:47:45.849 --> 00:47:48.978 educator training requirements in an effort to restore 00:47:48.989 --> 00:47:52.228 time and more authority to educators to self select 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.449 professional development and training. In doing so 00:47:55.458 --> 00:47:59.739 that legislation reinstated a 25% cap on the number 00:47:59.750 --> 00:48:03.139 of continuing professional education hours that teachers 00:48:03.148 --> 00:48:05.340 principals and counselors are required to obtain in 00:48:05.349 --> 00:48:07.969 order to renew their certificates. However, the unintended 00:48:07.978 --> 00:48:11.280 consequence was for teachers was that those who wanted 00:48:11.289 --> 00:48:14.019 to count more than the 25% weren't being allowed to 00:48:14.030 --> 00:48:17.840 do so accordingly. House Bill 29 29 clarified that 00:48:17.849 --> 00:48:21.559 although there is a 25% cap, if a teacher wants to 00:48:21.570 --> 00:48:24.478 count more than that, they can do, they can do so. 00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:28.688 So the original proposed rule text in section 2 32.11 00:48:28.699 --> 00:48:31.530 D three did attempt to align with the language and 00:48:31.539 --> 00:48:34.769 intent of House Bill 29 29. However, it fell a bit 00:48:34.780 --> 00:48:37.860 short in doing so accurately. And so we are extremely 00:48:37.869 --> 00:48:41.809 grateful for te a staff's work on the substitute rule 00:48:41.820 --> 00:48:44.809 text that is being presented to you because that text 00:48:44.820 --> 00:48:48.090 makes very clear that although teachers can't be required 00:48:48.099 --> 00:48:52.543 to obtain more than 25% if they choose to do so, then 00:48:52.554 --> 00:48:55.394 that will count. And that accomplishes House Bill 29 00:48:55.405 --> 00:48:58.103 20 nine's goal of protecting teachers from incursions 00:48:58.114 --> 00:49:01.215 on their time while at the same time giving them flexibility 00:49:01.224 --> 00:49:04.054 and choosing professional development that really matters 00:49:04.063 --> 00:49:07.425 to their classrooms. Again, we appreciate te a staff's 00:49:07.434 --> 00:49:10.474 work to improve the substitute rule text and we urge 00:49:10.485 --> 00:49:13.175 your favorable consideration of it. Thank you so much 00:49:20.300 --> 00:49:25.010 Thank you, Miss Eden. 00:49:25.010 --> 00:49:27.340 Are there any questions, any comments that you would 00:49:27.349 --> 00:49:31.418 like to add to the conversation, questions or comments 00:49:31.429 --> 00:49:34.110 from our board? 00:49:34.110 --> 00:49:39.099 Um Miss um Lopez, I have a quick question. If someone 00:49:39.110 --> 00:49:42.679 is getting their, um, certificate, let's say the, um 00:49:42.688 --> 00:49:47.530 le A wants to ask for the exemption. If it's a lifetime 00:49:47.539 --> 00:49:50.579 certificate and you renew every five years, that's 00:49:50.610 --> 00:49:54.179 100 and 50 hours. But what if it's a lifetime certificate 00:49:54.188 --> 00:49:56.369 And let's say they stayed home with Children and they've 00:49:56.378 --> 00:50:00.260 been out of the workforce for eight years. What, how 00:50:00.269 --> 00:50:03.889 many hours are they responsible for making up hours 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:07.250 to a life certificate? So they can just, they don't 00:50:07.260 --> 00:50:10.750 have to do continuing at all? Ok. So what if they are 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:15.360 under a math four through eight? And it's been eight 00:50:15.369 --> 00:50:21.119 years since they, um, had their, um, since their certificate 00:50:21.128 --> 00:50:24.119 expired, how many hours would they have to make up 00:50:24.128 --> 00:50:27.119 the, the 150 for the five year or would they have to 00:50:27.128 --> 00:50:30.750 make up all eight years? No, it's 100 and 50 from the 00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:32.840 effective date of the certificate. So we can go back 00:50:32.849 --> 00:50:36.300 five years even prior to the expiration date. So, um 00:50:36.309 --> 00:50:38.289 that's what makes it easier for them to go and come 00:50:38.300 --> 00:50:41.860 back because they can just completely do the complete 00:50:41.869 --> 00:50:45.320 150 at any point up to the time that they're ready 00:50:45.329 --> 00:50:48.579 to renew. So, and there's no minimum or maximum either 00:50:48.590 --> 00:50:50.679 So it's, it's kind of, you know, they can do them all 00:50:50.688 --> 00:50:54.688 in one year. Ok. And so if they're, so if they're eight 00:50:54.699 --> 00:50:57.974 years from their last certification, they still only 00:50:57.985 --> 00:51:01.405 have to submit the 104 150. Correct? Super, I've had 00:51:01.414 --> 00:51:03.514 that question from quite a few people. So thank you 00:51:03.594 --> 00:51:05.644 I appreciate. That's a question. I get a lot from our 00:51:05.773 --> 00:51:08.253 educators that call and that's fair because they think 00:51:08.264 --> 00:51:11.114 oh, I could never make up eight years. I might, but 00:51:11.125 --> 00:51:14.394 I could see my way through 100 and 50. Thank you. Definitely 00:51:15.570 --> 00:51:19.719 Right. 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:21.878 Uh 00:51:21.878 --> 00:51:25.429 Do we have a motion? 00:51:25.429 --> 00:51:31.010 There's no motion on this motion on the, 00:51:31.010 --> 00:51:37.898 do we not have it? 00:51:37.898 --> 00:51:40.599 I'm sorry, there was a motion, there was a, sorry about 00:51:40.610 --> 00:51:42.668 that. 00:51:42.668 --> 00:51:45.590 No, no. Thank you. I appreciate it. No, not at all 00:51:47.219 --> 00:51:49.429 Uh Sub board. Do we have a motion? Thank you, Doctor 00:51:49.438 --> 00:51:52.119 Rus. 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:55.579 I move to approve the proposed amendments to 19 T AC 00:51:55.590 --> 00:52:00.128 chapter 2 32 General Certification Provision, subchapter 00:52:00.139 --> 00:52:02.820 A certificate, renewal and continuing professional 00:52:02.829 --> 00:52:05.840 education requirements to be published as proposed 00:52:05.849 --> 00:52:10.320 in the Texas register as presented. And do we have 00:52:10.329 --> 00:52:16.648 a second? Thank you, Mr any further discussion? 00:52:16.648 --> 00:52:20.250 Those in favor. Please raise your right hand. Those 00:52:20.260 --> 00:52:22.978 opposed same sign 00:52:22.978 --> 00:52:25.128 the motion carries and the proposed amendments are 00:52:25.139 --> 00:52:30.389 approved. Thank you so much. Thank you. 00:52:30.389 --> 00:52:40.978 Ok. Is everybody doing ok? Ok. Item 13 00:52:40.978 --> 00:52:43.708 madam, chair 00:52:43.708 --> 00:52:46.159 members of the board. Good morning. My name is Trenton 00:52:46.168 --> 00:52:50.000 Law Director of credentialing Services under the leadership 00:52:50.010 --> 00:52:54.079 of Maryland, uh senior director, Marilyn Cook and presenting 00:52:54.090 --> 00:52:58.119 with me this morning is Shelley Penny license and permit 00:52:58.128 --> 00:53:02.360 specialist. And item 13 provides the board the opportunity 00:53:02.369 --> 00:53:05.688 to approve proposed revisions to sec rule. Chapter 00:53:05.699 --> 00:53:09.898 2 34 implementing three military related bills passed 00:53:09.909 --> 00:53:15.989 during the 88 legislature regular session. 00:53:15.989 --> 00:53:19.099 Chapter 2 34 establishes guidelines and procedures 00:53:19.110 --> 00:53:22.719 for certain provisions reflected in the slide to help 00:53:22.728 --> 00:53:25.958 ease the certification process for military service 00:53:25.969 --> 00:53:29.750 members, military spouses and military veterans being 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:32.760 a military veteran. Myself of the US Air Force. I am 00:53:32.769 --> 00:53:35.728 pleased that we have provisions, the provisions of 00:53:35.739 --> 00:53:41.168 this chapter in place for our military community. 00:53:41.168 --> 00:53:44.289 As I mentioned, the purpose for these revisions to 00:53:44.300 --> 00:53:47.628 Chapter 2 34 is to implement legislation passed for 00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:52.648 Senate Bill 4 22 House Bill 6 21 and Senate Bill 5 00:53:52.659 --> 00:53:56.070 44. And Shelley will now provide an overview of each 00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:58.918 bill. 00:53:58.918 --> 00:54:01.559 All right. Thank you, Trenton. Good morning board. 00:54:01.590 --> 00:54:04.449 Um So let's look at each bill and review what changes 00:54:04.458 --> 00:54:07.728 need to be made in rule. We'll start on page nine in 00:54:07.739 --> 00:54:10.619 your attachment. 00:54:10.619 --> 00:54:15.079 Our first piece of legislation SB 4 22 aligns nicely 00:54:15.090 --> 00:54:17.809 with what we already have in place for our military 00:54:17.820 --> 00:54:21.769 community. It adds military service members to provisions 00:54:21.780 --> 00:54:25.409 that had previously only been applied to military spouses 00:54:25.965 --> 00:54:29.034 But it also emphasizes the importance of timely review 00:54:29.043 --> 00:54:32.235 and processing of certification applications submitted 00:54:32.244 --> 00:54:35.534 by members of the military community which we've already 00:54:35.543 --> 00:54:38.784 applied to our daily work. So the changes implemented 00:54:38.793 --> 00:54:42.889 by this bill will be an easy transition. 00:54:42.889 --> 00:54:47.389 Hb 6 21 will allow eligible military veterans, peace 00:54:47.398 --> 00:54:51.010 officers, fire protection personnel, and emergency 00:54:51.019 --> 00:54:55.458 medical services personnel to teach CTE courses, utilizing 00:54:55.469 --> 00:54:59.438 a new three year temporary certificate. Many districts 00:54:59.449 --> 00:55:03.668 struggle to find qualified educators to teach CTE classes 00:55:03.699 --> 00:55:06.599 So we are excited about this opportunity to add the 00:55:06.610 --> 00:55:10.369 new certificate. This is the only rule that I'm talking 00:55:10.378 --> 00:55:13.239 about today that's related to folks outside of the 00:55:13.250 --> 00:55:15.989 military. 00:55:15.989 --> 00:55:18.489 In the last piece of legislation, I'll talk about today 00:55:18.500 --> 00:55:21.619 Instructors for the community college or the Air Force 00:55:21.648 --> 00:55:25.269 are now eligible for a one year temporary certificate 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:28.398 The legislation was specific in that the requirements 00:55:28.409 --> 00:55:31.360 for these folks are requiring a bachelor's degree and 00:55:31.369 --> 00:55:35.329 experience as ac caf instructor. They must also be 00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:38.619 enrolled in an Epp. 00:55:38.619 --> 00:55:42.648 And in the meantime, provisions are already in place 00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:45.510 to allow talented individuals that fall into these 00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:49.559 categories identified by legislation to teach. So current 00:55:49.570 --> 00:55:53.208 Chapter 2 28 rules allow military service members or 00:55:53.219 --> 00:55:56.914 veterans to work directly with it. Epp where they can 00:55:56.925 --> 00:56:00.253 receive credit towards training or education hours 00:56:00.264 --> 00:56:03.644 for their military service. A school district could 00:56:03.655 --> 00:56:06.625 utilize additional flexibilities like a school district 00:56:06.635 --> 00:56:10.375 teaching permit certification waiver or their District 00:56:10.385 --> 00:56:13.449 of Innovation Plan 00:56:13.449 --> 00:56:16.659 and madam chair with your support, we would like to 00:56:16.668 --> 00:56:20.159 make a minor technical edit. There was an unnecessary 00:56:20.168 --> 00:56:23.228 reference to a definition for a community college or 00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:26.918 the air force instructor. This legislation is unique 00:56:26.929 --> 00:56:29.878 enough that a definition is not needed. Therefore, 00:56:29.889 --> 00:56:34.708 we're tracking that language. Thank you. And I don't 00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:37.469 believe we have anyone for public testimony today. 00:56:38.260 --> 00:56:42.599 So we'd be happy to take your questions, questions 00:56:42.610 --> 00:56:47.199 or comments from the board. Yes, Miss, I had, I had 00:56:47.208 --> 00:56:50.550 a question about the CTE the law about the CTE piece 00:56:50.699 --> 00:56:53.539 How is that different than what, what we already have 00:56:53.550 --> 00:56:57.139 for people to come in from the workforce to teach the 00:56:57.148 --> 00:57:00.769 CTE classes? Sure. This actually allows them to utilize 00:57:00.780 --> 00:57:04.559 a new three year temporary certificate. So that's the 00:57:04.570 --> 00:57:07.269 main change for that Trenton. Do you have anything 00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:13.159 to add? Yeah. And how long if like our welding teachers 00:57:13.168 --> 00:57:17.050 that come in for, how long is that certificate? 00:57:17.050 --> 00:57:19.489 Well, they'll start out with the three year temporary 00:57:19.500 --> 00:57:21.809 certificate and in that three years, they're gonna 00:57:21.820 --> 00:57:24.530 work to get their standard certificate and I'm gonna 00:57:24.539 --> 00:57:27.188 let Marilyn chime in because she has something really 00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:31.070 great to say, not necessarily great. They, they really 00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:34.289 didn't need me, but I came up um Miss Glasscock because 00:57:34.489 --> 00:57:36.829 when they made the point in the additional highlights 00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:39.590 about the current provisions already in place because 00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:42.039 we will have to go through the rule making process 00:57:42.050 --> 00:57:47.208 and create this three year. Um, a, a welder in your 00:57:47.219 --> 00:57:50.250 example right now, if the district hires someone they 00:57:50.260 --> 00:57:52.409 could put them on the school district teaching permit 00:57:52.418 --> 00:57:57.070 and if they were not interested in pursuing state certification 00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:01.789 ever, that permit would be valid for life as long as 00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:04.530 that individual stays in good standing with that district 00:58:04.539 --> 00:58:07.159 So they have those provisions in place. I think that's 00:58:07.168 --> 00:58:09.530 what Shelley and Trenton were trying to highlight. 00:58:09.539 --> 00:58:15.148 So, um there's, there's not a difference if you will 00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.789 with what we're going to go through in terms of the 00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:21.409 legislation, with the exception that this three year 00:58:21.418 --> 00:58:23.789 temporary provision would allow those folks who may 00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:27.239 also eventually want to move into going through the 00:58:27.250 --> 00:58:30.559 process for certification. Um The author of the bill 00:58:30.570 --> 00:58:33.728 felt this was an important piece to go ahead and implement 00:58:33.739 --> 00:58:36.889 for coverage if you will um to have that certification 00:58:36.898 --> 00:58:39.059 So I think that's sort of some of the difference between 00:58:39.070 --> 00:58:42.219 the two if that helps at all and these talents don't 00:58:42.228 --> 00:58:47.070 need me. So I will be quiet and go. 00:58:47.070 --> 00:58:49.938 Thank you for that question, Miss. Got it. I had asked 00:58:49.949 --> 00:58:53.898 the same thing earlier, so I appreciate it. 00:58:53.898 --> 00:59:08.789 Other questions. Yes, Miss Gabon 00:59:08.789 --> 00:59:12.840 now it's free. Thank you. Um I don't know. Merlyn may 00:59:12.849 --> 00:59:16.168 have said a little too soon, but with a three year 00:59:16.179 --> 00:59:19.688 temporary certificate 00:59:19.688 --> 00:59:22.969 an individual. Let's go back to the Welding can teach 00:59:22.978 --> 00:59:27.059 under that certificate, not being enrolled in a program 00:59:27.070 --> 00:59:31.300 or university or co community college. Correct. Um 00:59:32.628 --> 00:59:36.659 but if they leave that district and move for whatever 00:59:36.668 --> 00:59:40.398 reason, they still have two years left on that certificate 00:59:40.409 --> 00:59:44.349 Correct. That. And here's my other question that I 00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:50.090 have because programs can use their experience in the 00:59:50.099 --> 00:59:54.000 military or, or coursework as something we transfer 00:59:54.010 --> 00:59:55.239 into the program.